Re: ..OT: blue paint bucket toss, was: [Flightgear-devel] [OT]Angry rant: the end of david@megginson.com

2003-08-29 Thread Tony Peden
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 10:04, Matthew Johnson wrote:
 On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 04:19, Tony Peden wrote:
  On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 14:08, David Megginson wrote:
   Matthew Johnson writes:
   
 Good point, something goes wrong on a commercial airliner very few,
 if anyone ever gets out alive...
   
   Not at all.  Things go wrong in airliners flown by scheduled carriers
   all the time, and usually no one suffers anything more than stress
   from a delay or rerouting.  Injuries and fatalities are very rare in
   scheduled airline incidents or accidents.
  
  Yep, several failures/circumstances generally have to stack up in order
  for something bad to happen.
  
 
 Anyone see Anatomy of a Disaster about flight 587? Not sure how
 technical it was, but the program seem to suggest that modern composite
 fibers aren't as strong as aluminum.

I saw a bit of it ... they showed some testing they did in which they
calculated the loads on the tail.  They exceeded the design ultimate
load, which means that any other material would have failed too. 
Material selection was, in this case, irrelevant.

 
 Matt 
 
 
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Re: ..OT: blue paint bucket toss, was: [Flightgear-devel] [OT]Angry rant: the end of david@megginson.com

2003-08-27 Thread Tony Peden
On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 14:08, David Megginson wrote:
 Matthew Johnson writes:
 
   Good point, something goes wrong on a commercial airliner very few,
   if anyone ever gets out alive...
 
 Not at all.  Things go wrong in airliners flown by scheduled carriers
 all the time, and usually no one suffers anything more than stress
 from a delay or rerouting.  Injuries and fatalities are very rare in
 scheduled airline incidents or accidents.

Yep, several failures/circumstances generally have to stack up in order
for something bad to happen.

 
 
 All the best,
 
 
 David
 
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Re: ..OT: blue paint bucket toss, was: [Flightgear-devel][OT] Angry rant: the end of david@megginson.com

2003-08-27 Thread Matthew Johnson
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 01:25, Matevz Jekovec wrote:
 Not at all.  Things go wrong in airliners flown by scheduled carriers
 all the time, and usually no one suffers anything more than stress
 from a delay or rerouting.  Injuries and fatalities are very rare in
 scheduled airline incidents or accidents.
   
 
 Didn't you watch Die Hard 2 (the Christmas one) and the flying 
 everywhere present Bruce??? :)

Yes, if you see Bruce Willis on the plane ask to leave :). I should have
phrased my thoughts a little better, any major failure on a commercial
airline tends to result in heavy loss of life...Although I'd think there
are far less id10t's in the air compared to driving...

Matt


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Re: ..OT: blue paint bucket toss, was: [Flightgear-devel] [OT]Angry rant: the end of david@megginson.com

2003-08-27 Thread Matthew Johnson
On Wed, 2003-08-27 at 04:19, Tony Peden wrote:
 On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 14:08, David Megginson wrote:
  Matthew Johnson writes:
  
Good point, something goes wrong on a commercial airliner very few,
if anyone ever gets out alive...
  
  Not at all.  Things go wrong in airliners flown by scheduled carriers
  all the time, and usually no one suffers anything more than stress
  from a delay or rerouting.  Injuries and fatalities are very rare in
  scheduled airline incidents or accidents.
 
 Yep, several failures/circumstances generally have to stack up in order
 for something bad to happen.
 

Anyone see Anatomy of a Disaster about flight 587? Not sure how
technical it was, but the program seem to suggest that modern composite
fibers aren't as strong as aluminum.

Matt 


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Re: ..OT: blue paint bucket toss, was: [Flightgear-devel][OT] Angry rant: the end of david@megginson.com

2003-08-27 Thread David Megginson
Matthew Johnson writes:

  Yes, if you see Bruce Willis on the plane ask to leave :). I should have
  phrased my thoughts a little better, any major failure on a commercial
  airline tends to result in heavy loss of life...Although I'd think there
  are far less id10t's in the air compared to driving...

There are some (extremely rare) major failures that cause loss of life
all by themselves, such as a wing or stabilizer falling off, but
typically it takes a chain of failures, major or minor, to cause loss
of life on an airliner -- there is a mind-boggling amount of
redundancy built into their systems.


All the best,


David

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Re: ..OT: blue paint bucket toss, was: [Flightgear-devel] [OT]Angry rant: the end of david@megginson.com

2003-08-26 Thread Matthew Johnson
On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 11:11, Curtis L. Olson wrote:
 Arnt Karlsen writes:
  On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 10:09:51 -0500, 
  Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message 
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  ..to put it short:  picture yourself on your single seat bike going 
  full bore on the freeway just like Wintendo does on on your PC.  
  (For multi-user os'es, substitute bike for automobile, bus etc, 
  as you see fit.)
  
  ..now, going full bore, for every Bluescreen Of Death[Tm] you have
  ever seen on your box, picture having someone instead of the BOD, 
  toss a bucket of blue paint in your face.  
  
  ..how many of you guys would be alive today?  ;-)
 
 Is it just the paint, or is it the bucket with the paint inside being
 tossed?  Because that makes a big difference.
 

Paint followed by the empty bucket?

 But that speaks to the point.  With a 747 people's lives are actually
 at stake.  With microsoft's email software, that is usually not the
 case (although there are plenty of individual instances where people's
 lives depend on software, but that's not what we are talking about
 here.)
 

Good point, something goes wrong on a commercial airliner very few, if
anyone ever gets out alive...So having more than one company in
competition is a must have. The biggest problem with MSFT, its a
monopoly. Boeing and Airbus actually compete, although I do wish
McDonnell Douglas was still around though.

Matt



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Re: ..OT: blue paint bucket toss, was: [Flightgear-devel] [OT]Angry rant: the end of david@megginson.com

2003-08-26 Thread David Megginson
Matthew Johnson writes:

  Good point, something goes wrong on a commercial airliner very few,
  if anyone ever gets out alive...

Not at all.  Things go wrong in airliners flown by scheduled carriers
all the time, and usually no one suffers anything more than stress
from a delay or rerouting.  Injuries and fatalities are very rare in
scheduled airline incidents or accidents.


All the best,


David

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