RE: [Flightgear-devel] (Real) Lancaster
On Tue, 19 Aug 2003, Jon Berndt wrote: When Grand Slam was dropped the fuselage 'jumped' upwards quite radically. What's Grand Slam? The 22,000lb bomb. Tallboy is the 12,000lb one, and upkeep is the bouncing one used on the dams raid. -- Jon Stockill [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] (Real) Lancaster
On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 13:43:17 +0100 (BST), Jon Stockill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, 19 Aug 2003, Jon Berndt wrote: When Grand Slam was dropped the fuselage 'jumped' upwards quite radically. What's Grand Slam? The 22,000lb bomb. Tallboy is the 12,000lb one, and upkeep is the bouncing one used on the dams raid. ..Upkeep looks like a steam roller wheel: http://www.ww2guide.com/bombs.shtml#misc -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] (Real) Lancaster
On Tuesday 19 August 2003 18:15, David Megginson wrote: When we were climbing out from Toronto/City Centre (CYTZ) on Sunday, a WWII Lancaster bomber passed 500 feet above us. I just discovered today that my ten-year-old daughter snapped two pictures of it passing over us, without telephoto (to give an idea of distances): http://www.megginson.com/private/lancaster-01.jpg http://www.megginson.com/private/lancaster-02.jpg All the best, David -- David Megginson, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.megginson.com/ Well done that daughter:) I wonder what it was doing there? I'm lucky enough to have an airfield fairly near and often see old stuff flying over - they seem to have a lot of harvards there but my favourites are the old jets they have there: Hunters, Gnats, Provosts and a Venom/Vampire (I could never tell them apart:) LeeE ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] (Real) Lancaster
David Megginson writes: When we were climbing out from Toronto/City Centre (CYTZ) on Sunday, a WWII Lancaster bomber passed 500 feet above us. I just discovered today that my ten-year-old daughter snapped two pictures of it passing over us, without telephoto (to give an idea of distances): http://www.megginson.com/private/lancaster-01.jpg http://www.megginson.com/private/lancaster-02.jpg Now there's a kid who's got a good knack for the important things in life. :-) A Lancaster visited my local airport a couple years ago. With the (something like) 16 engines and 128 counter rotating props, it sounds like a complete squandron all by itself. If you ever get a chance, go stand next to the main wheels. They are *huge*. The Lancaster is an awsome piece of machinery. Curt. -- Curtis Olson IVLab / HumanFIRST Program FlightGear Project Twin Citiescurt 'at' me.umn.edu curt 'at' flightgear.org Minnesota http://www.menet.umn.edu/~curt http://www.flightgear.org ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] (Real) Lancaster
On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:56:46 -0500, Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Megginson writes: When we were climbing out from Toronto/City Centre (CYTZ) on Sunday, a WWII Lancaster bomber passed 500 feet above us. I just discovered today that my ten-year-old daughter snapped two pictures of it passing over us, without telephoto (to give an idea of distances): http://www.megginson.com/private/lancaster-01.jpg http://www.megginson.com/private/lancaster-02.jpg Not just _A_ Lancaster. The only one flying in North America. One of only two flying worldwide. FM213 is owned by the Canadian Warplane Heritage at Hamilton, near Toronto. http://www.warplane.com/index.html The other one is still owned by the RAF. PA474 'City of Lincoln' (her name, due to adoption by that city, regardless of which livery she is in) is part of the Battle of Britain Memorial Flight. http://www.raf.mod.uk/bbmf/bbmfhome.html Now there's a kid who's got a good knack for the important things in life. :-) A Lancaster visited my local airport a couple years ago. With the (something like) 16 engines and 128 counter rotating props, it sounds like a complete squandron all by itself. If it had contra-rotating props it wasn't a Lancaster. What you saw was a Shackleton, developed from the Lincoln which was derived from the Lancaster, which was a Manchester with four (rather than two) engines. What you heard were four late-mark Griffins driving 24 13ft blades. The Mk3* added two Viper jets. The 'Shack' was a MPA and, later, AEW aircraft that was still in service (in the AEW role) with the RAF in 1991 http://www.home.aone.net.au/shack_one/ Depending on the date you may have seen an RAF example or the ex-South African example which visited the US a few years ago. If you ever get a chance, go stand next to the main wheels. They are *huge*. The Lancaster is an awsome piece of machinery. And then you hang 22,000lbs of bomb under one and it gets... ...interesting. http://www.johnmullen.org.uk/aerospce/pics/bombs.htm Rick -- David Farrent and Dougie O'Hara on the Cold War role of the ROC: 'What a world of sorrow is hidden in those few words - [Post attack] crew changes would have been based on crew availability.' ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] (Real) Lancaster
And then you hang 22,000lbs of bomb under one and it gets... ...interesting. http://www.johnmullen.org.uk/aerospce/pics/bombs.htm Oh. My. God. I take it one like it got dropped at least once during WWII? g. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] (Real) Lancaster
On Tue, 19 Aug 2003, Gene Buckle wrote: And then you hang 22,000lbs of bomb under one and it gets... ...interesting. http://www.johnmullen.org.uk/aerospce/pics/bombs.htm Oh. My. God. I take it one like it got dropped at least once during WWII? The first time the Grand Slam bomb was used successfully was on March 14th of 1945, in the attack against the Bielefeld Viaduct in northern Germany. This viaduct was a vital railroad node connecting the Ruhr industrial zone with large cities such as Hanover. Despite past bombing of the viaduct by the RAF and US Air Force, it had not yet sustained any critical damage. On that day, 617 Squadron, an elite group known as the dambusters, flew into action. Sqn. Ldr. C.C. Calder dropped a Grand Slam bomb which landed about 30m from the viaduct. The underground explosion sent out powerful shock waves, destroying the majority of the viaduct. On March 19th, 617 Squadron also destroyed the Arnsberg Viaduct. By the end of the war, a total of 41 Grand Slam bombs were dropped, dealing a heavy blow to Germany. Delivered by a bomber, not a transport aircraft too ;-) -- Jon Stockill [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] (Real) Lancaster
And then you hang 22,000lbs of bomb under one and it gets... ...interesting. http://www.johnmullen.org.uk/aerospce/pics/bombs.htm Oh. My. God. I take it one like it got dropped at least once during WWII? The first time the Grand Slam bomb was used successfully was on March 14th of 1945, in the attack against the Bielefeld Viaduct in northern Germany. This viaduct was a vital railroad node connecting the Ruhr industrial zone with large cities such as Hanover. Despite past bombing of the viaduct by the RAF and US Air Force, it had not yet sustained any critical damage. On that day, 617 Squadron, an elite group known as the dambusters, flew into action. Sqn. Ldr. C.C. Calder dropped a Grand Slam bomb which landed about 30m from the viaduct. The underground explosion sent out powerful shock waves, destroying the majority of the viaduct. On March 19th, 617 Squadron also destroyed the Arnsberg Viaduct. By the end of the war, a total of 41 Grand Slam bombs were dropped, dealing a heavy blow to Germany. Delivered by a bomber, not a transport aircraft too ;-) Makes you wonder if there's any pictures of the hole that sucker made when it went off. :) g. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] (Real) Lancaster
On Tue, 19 Aug 2003, Gene Buckle wrote: Makes you wonder if there's any pictures of the hole that sucker made when it went off. :) Well, according to google: http://www.dambusters.org.uk/bielefeld.htm 100ft deep crater is fairly impressive. -- Jon Stockill [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] (Real) Lancaster
On Wed, 20 Aug 2003 00:19:52 +0100 (BST), Jon Stockill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 19 Aug 2003, Gene Buckle wrote: Makes you wonder if there's any pictures of the hole that sucker made when it went off. :) Well, according to google: http://www.dambusters.org.uk/bielefeld.htm 100ft deep crater is fairly impressive. It did fairly impressive things to the aircraft to. To come somewhat back on topic, a Lancaster + Grand Slam would be a challenge to model, both wrt the FDM and visuals. The aircraft normally had no 'visual' dihedral. I have a picture somewhere of an aircraft carrying with Grand Slam, taken from the rear. The wings curve upwards in a graceful parabola. When Grand Slam was dropped the fuselage 'jumped' upwards quite radically. Modelling that change in wing profile and the aerodynamic (and elastic) effects would be some feat.[1] Rick [1] Anyone contemplating it should note that the aircraft used were specially lightened 'Specials' fitted with a later mark of Merlin than usual and that there were significant differences between the 'Grand Slam', 'Tallboy' and 'Upkeep' B1(Special) aircraft respectively. -- David Farrent and Dougie O'Hara on the Cold War role of the ROC: 'What a world of sorrow is hidden in those few words - [Post attack] crew changes would have been based on crew availability.' ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
RE: [Flightgear-devel] (Real) Lancaster
When Grand Slam was dropped the fuselage 'jumped' upwards quite radically. What's Grand Slam? ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] (Real) Lancaster
On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 20:00:06 -0500, Jon Berndt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: When Grand Slam was dropped the fuselage 'jumped' upwards quite radically. What's Grand Slam? ..a WWII fly swat. ;-) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel
