Re: [Flightgear-devel] Cessna 172 problem in 9.8

2005-01-21 Thread Erik Hofman
Innis Cunningham wrote:
Hi All
Could someone who uses FGRUN to start FG confirm
that the 172 fullscreen hi res Cessna starts at night
with the panel upside down and no scenery even
if you have noon selected in FGRUN.
The fullscreen Cessna is supposed to start without the scenery.
I don't know why the panel i upside down though.
Erik
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Cessna 172 problem in 9.8

2005-01-21 Thread Innis Cunningham

 Erik Hofman writes
Innis Cunningham wrote:
Hi All
Could someone who uses FGRUN to start FG confirm
that the 172 fullscreen hi res Cessna starts at night
with the panel upside down and no scenery even
if you have noon selected in FGRUN.
The fullscreen Cessna is supposed to start without the scenery.
I don't know why the panel i upside down though.
Seeing this is probably the first aircraft a new user will try what a
great advert.A panel that is upside down in the middle of the night
with no engines running and no obvious way of getting them started.
I mean if the idea is to discourage people from using FG I could not
think of a better way.
Reading all the other threads currently runing talking about making FG
user friendly and the new version has this.At least the 737 works maybe
it should be the default aircraft and then when people have mastered it
they can move onto something more difficult like the 172.
Cheers
Innis
Erik
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Cessna 172 problem in 9.8

2005-01-21 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Quoting Erik Hofman :

 Innis Cunningham wrote:

  Seeing this is probably the first aircraft a new user will try what a
  great advert.A panel that is upside down in the middle of the night
  with no engines running and no obvious way of getting them started.
  I mean if the idea is to discourage people from using FG I could not
  think of a better way.
  Reading all the other threads currently runing talking about making FG
  user friendly and the new version has this.At least the 737 works maybe
  it should be the default aircraft and then when people have mastered it
  they can move onto something more difficult like the 172.

 You seem to neglect the fact that there are certain special purpose
 models around that are not designed for use by the average user but that
 is very useful for what it's designed for.

But this is an advanced feature that is proposed to average users, and near the
top of the list in fgrun. So dependencies really needs to be sorted out to be
able to remove that option from the default package.

-Fred

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Cessna 172 problem in 9.8

2005-01-21 Thread Innis Cunningham

 Erik Hofman writes
Innis Cunningham wrote:
Seeing this is probably the first aircraft a new user will try what a
great advert.A panel that is upside down in the middle of the night
with no engines running and no obvious way of getting them started.
I mean if the idea is to discourage people from using FG I could not
think of a better way.
Reading all the other threads currently runing talking about making FG
user friendly and the new version has this.At least the 737 works maybe
it should be the default aircraft and then when people have mastered it
they can move onto something more difficult like the 172.
You seem to neglect the fact that there are certain special purpose models 
around that are not designed for use by the average user but that is very 
useful for what it's designed for.
I guess this then begs the question what is a special purpose model doing
in a release version.
Just out of curiosity what purpose does a half submerged 172 serve.
Are we working on an emergency rescue scenario. :-)
Erik
Cheers
Innis

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Cessna 172 problem in 9.8

2005-01-21 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Innis Cunningham wrote:

 Erik Hofman writes
Innis Cunningham wrote:
Seeing this is probably the first aircraft a new user will try what a
great advert.A panel that is upside down in the middle of the night
with no engines running and no obvious way of getting them started.
I mean if the idea is to discourage people from using FG I could not
think of a better way.
Reading all the other threads currently runing talking about making FG
user friendly and the new version has this.At least the 737 works maybe
it should be the default aircraft and then when people have mastered it
they can move onto something more difficult like the 172.

You seem to neglect the fact that there are certain special purpose 
models around that are not designed for use by the average user but 
that is very useful for what it's designed for.

I guess this then begs the question what is a special purpose model doing
in a release version.
Just out of curiosity what purpose does a half submerged 172 serve.
Are we working on an emergency rescue scenario. :-) 

We *really* need someone to go through and sort out the C172 tree(s) ... 
or start from scratch with a clean directory and pull in pieces as 
needed from the existing bramble bush, and when the new one is all 
working we can retire the older stuff.

Regards,
Curt.
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RE: [Flightgear-devel] Cessna 172 problem in 9.8

2005-01-21 Thread Vivian Meazza
Innis Cunningham wrote

 Hi All
 Could someone who uses FGRUN to start FG confirm
 that the 172 fullscreen hi res Cessna starts at night
 with the panel upside down and no scenery even
 if you have noon selected in FGRUN.
 

Nope - it's fine apart the panel upside down, and the aircraft up to its
wings in water when started at KSFO :-)

I think we might need ver 0.9.8a in a hurry.

Regards,

Vivian



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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Cessna 172 problem in 9.8

2005-01-21 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Vivian Meazza wrote:
Innis Cunningham wrote
 

Hi All
Could someone who uses FGRUN to start FG confirm
that the 172 fullscreen hi res Cessna starts at night
with the panel upside down and no scenery even
if you have noon selected in FGRUN.
   

Nope - it's fine apart the panel upside down, and the aircraft up to its
wings in water when started at KSFO :-)
I think we might need ver 0.9.8a in a hurry.
 

I'd do a 0.9.8a if someone sorted out the default Cessna 172.
Curt.
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Cessna 172 problem in 9.8

2005-01-21 Thread Roy Vegard Ovesen
On Friday 21 January 2005 11:06, Erik Hofman wrote:

From c172-610x-null-set.xml

  panel
   pathAircraft/c172/Panels/c172-610x-panel.xml/path
   visibility archive=ytrue/visibility
   flip-xtrue/flip-x
  /panel

Note the flip-xtrue/flip-x tag.

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