Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..Groklawyers warns GPL developers against Sun's
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 10:38:11 -0800, Andy wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > ..riiight, we all can agree on that, now try keeep in mind _none_ of > > us are IBM, and The SCO Group is still running its 2 yr old Â419 > > scam in the 9'th Circuit Court before Judge Kimball in SLC, Utah. > > Relax. Under no circumstances will we be any more exposed than if we > ported to *commercial* Solaris, where we have no rights to any Sun IP > at all. ..true. > This is a non-issue. The complaint is that the Sun patent grant is > unfair and incompatible with the GPL, so free software developers > should not attempt to use the Sun patents. We aren't, so we don't > care. ..we don't know their patent claims, and the advice from Groklaw is "don't look, or you'll pay 3 times more for wilful infringement." ..here, we're like in a WWI trench; if we duck, we don't see incoming shell shit, if we take a wee peek, we risk getting shot right down. ;o) ..the prudent way is, let Sun do the porting. They get the source any time they like, and if they want anything new into FlightGear, _they_ get to certify "this is our GPL patch and does not infringe on any patent we know of." Requiring somesuch statement, we get to rip out their code and point any plaintiff _their_ way and be done with it like Linus and the kernel guys are done with the The SCO Group. ..other than that under these jurisdictions, I don't see what more can be done to fend off new TSCOG types, so yeah, non-issue it is. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..Groklawyers warns GPL developers against Sun's
Arnt Karlsen wrote: > ..riiight, we all can agree on that, now try keeep in mind _none_ of > us are IBM, and The SCO Group is still running its 2 yr old Â419 > scam in the 9'th Circuit Court before Judge Kimball in SLC, Utah. Relax. Under no circumstances will we be any more exposed than if we ported to *commercial* Solaris, where we have no rights to any Sun IP at all. This is a non-issue. The complaint is that the Sun patent grant is unfair and incompatible with the GPL, so free software developers should not attempt to use the Sun patents. We aren't, so we don't care. Andy ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..Groklawyers warns GPL developers against Sun's
On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 07:12:49 + (UTC), Martin wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > ..this Groklaw thread suggests we cannot do a GPL port to Sun's new > > OpenSolaris, as we risk lawsuits: > > No, and the reason is stated here: > > >> Because Sun is not opening their patents to the entire open source > >> community under any license, anyone who works on CDDL code and/or > >> reviews the Sun patents is now tainted [...] > > "Porting to" OpenSolaris and "working on" OpenSolaris are two totally > different topics. BTW: ..riiight, we all can agree on that, now try keeep in mind _none_ of us are IBM, and The SCO Group is still running its 2 yr old Â419 scam in the 9'th Circuit Court before Judge Kimball in SLC, Utah. ..I mean, can _you_ disprove TSG's claim "Linus stole UNIX code"? As in; pay your own pack of law sharks, a court reporter's etc travel etc expenses to go visit Linus and have him get his lawyer etc to help his testify under oath "Hell no, I wrote it myself!"? .."eh, no?" Then TSG's claim "Linus stole UNIX code" becomes a legally established case law fact. > 1.) we get around 300 downloads of the Solaris package per _year_, ..yeah, it's "we risk losing" say "300 Solaris people" against "I risk losing my home" etc on a patent infringement lawsuit from Sun, AFAICT. ..in Norway, I'm expected to know all about patents in my field, (which BTW thank God is thermochemical gasification ;o) ) as the expected due diligence, while Americans and software developers do their due diligence by _NOT!!!_ knowing _anything_ about patents. Yeehaw. > 2.) I expect the sol8 package to run on sol9 and OpenSolaris as well. > > So why should be bother ..if our sol8 port works for sol9 and sol10 and OpenSolaris, we're home free, whether or not this continues to be the case, Sun decides. _If_ they decide to introduce Microsoft-style "DR-DOS errors" against us, my recommendation is we pull _all_ Solaris support, and go public on Groklaw and whatever else media is listening, it would also help Sun's remaining few supporters in the open source world push Sun C-level staff towards GPL and ditch their their cuddly "TSCOG" CDDL license. -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;-) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
Re: [Flightgear-devel] ..Groklawyers warns GPL developers against Sun's
Arnt Karlsen wrote: > ..this Groklaw thread suggests we cannot do a GPL port to Sun's new > OpenSolaris, as we risk lawsuits: No, and the reason is stated here: >> Because Sun is not opening their patents to the entire open source >> community under any license, anyone who works on CDDL code and/or >> reviews the Sun patents is now tainted [...] "Porting to" OpenSolaris and "working on" OpenSolaris are two totally different topics. BTW: 1.) we get around 300 downloads of the Solaris package per _year_, 2.) I expect the sol8 package to run on sol9 and OpenSolaris as well. So why should be bother Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@flightgear.org http://mail.flightgear.org/mailman/listinfo/flightgear-devel 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d
