Re: [Flightgear-devel] pirates

2011-01-13 Thread Chris Wilkinson 
That might prevent the scammers from adopting the latest source code, but 
unfortunately they appear to be using v1.9.x as the base for their commercial 
product - because it is a scam they may not care that they aren't using the 
latest version of flightgear so long as they are ripping people off.

Regards,

Chris Wilkinson, YBBN/BNE.




From: Michael Sgier 
To: FlightGear developers discussions 
Sent: Thu, 13 January, 2011 5:22:10 PM
Subject: [Flightgear-devel] pirates




Those crappy pirates are going on my nervesWhy not add some convoluted code 
to display:


Flightgear.org fly free

or alike at various in game stages? Should not be that complicated?


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] pirates

2011-01-13 Thread Arnt Karlsen 
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 01:04:45 -0800 (PST), Chris wrote in message 
<300587.75998...@web161610.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>:

> That might prevent the scammers from adopting the latest source code,
> but unfortunately they appear to be using v1.9.x as the base for
> their commercial product - because it is a scam they may not care
> that they aren't using the latest version of flightgear so long as
> they are ripping people off.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Chris Wilkinson, YBBN/BNE.

..an half baked solution could be using the multiplayer servers
to listen for these pirated products and to advice their victims 
of their legal rights rights under copyright law, this obviously 
misses the single isolated players.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] fgdata merge request #73

2011-01-13 Thread Erik Hofman 
On Wed, 2011-01-12 at 17:16 -0800, Hal V. Engel wrote:
> into an "advanced production" status.  But I am clueless about setting up 
> liveries so this might take a while.  If anyone wants to lend a hand it would 
> be much appreciated. 

This link helped me a lot when dealing with liveries:
http://wiki.flightgear.org/index.php/Livery_over_MP

Erik


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] pirates

2011-01-13 Thread George Patterson 
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 6:22 PM, Michael Sgier  wrote:
>
> Those crappy pirates are going on my nervesWhy not add some convoluted 
> code to display:
>
> Flightgear.org fly free
>
> or alike at various in game stages? Should not be that complicated?
>

It would be better would be to release a new version and publicise the release.

This means press release to Flight Simulator magazines, twit it, rave
about it on facebook, create videos on youtube.

Yes, i know we (collectively) have been doing that anyway, but this is
more effective than relying on the slime balls deciding to upgrade to
the latest version. let's do our bet to outmarket them. There is
probably more of us than them.

Note: they could be reading this and associated emails now.

Regards


George

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] pirates

2011-01-13 Thread Chris Wilkinson 
Well let them read these emails, and have them serve as a warning - they and 
their ilk will not be tolerated, and they will be outed for the immoral 
scamming 
lowlifes that they are.


I don't care if their enterprise is completely 100% legal (which in my 
interpretation of GPL v2 it is NOT). It is a scam, and targets and rips off 
those who know no better. I would like to posit that inaction in this matter 
could reflect badly on the flightgear project - after all if I purchased a 
blatant copy of a free software, but only realized after the fact, sure I'd be 
angry at the scammers but I'd also like to know whether or not the people 
behind 
the free software were trying to do something about it.

Regards,

Chris Wilkinson, YBBN/BNE.




From: George Patterson 
To: FlightGear developers discussions 
Sent: Thu, 13 January, 2011 8:48:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] pirates

On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 6:22 PM, Michael Sgier  wrote:
>
> Those crappy pirates are going on my nervesWhy not add some convoluted 
> code 
>to display:
>
> Flightgear.org fly free
>
> or alike at various in game stages? Should not be that complicated?
>

It would be better would be to release a new version and publicise the release.

This means press release to Flight Simulator magazines, twit it, rave
about it on facebook, create videos on youtube.

Yes, i know we (collectively) have been doing that anyway, but this is
more effective than relying on the slime balls deciding to upgrade to
the latest version. let's do our bet to outmarket them. There is
probably more of us than them.

Note: they could be reading this and associated emails now.

Regards


George

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] pirates

2011-01-13 Thread Curtis Olson 
Hi Chris,

A lot of people are trying to do things ... we've had boatloads of fake
facebook pages shut down, we have gotten some of the affiliates to remove
some of their most offensive lies.  But for every page we get closed down,
10 more pop up.  It's difficult to battle an opponent who thinks they can do
anything and say anything with zero accountability.  Why do they have zero
accountability?  Because they operate with fake accounts, fake names, fake
addresses and they have tons of these setup and can make up more any time.

Lately they've been running a video on the proflightsim site that is clearly
not flightgear.  Their excuse was that an affiliate sent them it to them,
and they would look into it.  It was still up on their page last I checked.

We can tell them that they aren't tolerated and that we'll out them ... they
don't care.

A lot of people are spending time on this including myself.  I've been in
contact with clickbank (the affiliate/money mechanism for proflightsim
sales).  I've even been in direct contact with proflightsim.

If you are a person who spent money of proflightsim-scam, just google
through the flightgear forum and wiki and several other mainstream flight
sim sites and you'll find plenty of information that is truthful and honest
about this whole thing.

If you don't think we are doing enough, the please, what are your ideas.  If
you don't think we are doing enough, then please pitch in and help.  But
please, let's keep our response ethical and our words honest.  One thing we
have seen is that every time we do get a page shutdown or hit them where it
hurts, they come back in retaliatory form like it's all out war.  They can
hurt us too if we go down the path of all out war ... that's not what I want
to do.

If you hear of someone getting ripped off, or you yourself got ripped off
... please contact click bank ... they aren't exactly bastions of innocence
but they have to keep up a good front and if enough complaints come in it
forces them to respond.  Likewise, proflightsim is about as slimy as it
gets, good luck cashing in on your 100% rock solid money back guarantee if
you decide you want it.  But people who have pressed them hard enough have
gotten through and gotten their money back.

And by all means, let's keep posting and talking about this issue.  Every
email, every forum post, every blog or tweet or facebook comment adds to the
body of evidence available on the web.  As this body of evidence grows and
spreads it becomes easier to find and someone who does a bit of legitimate
research ahead of purchasing should hopefully have a good chance at digging
up some valid information.  For those that just whip out their credit card
and click buy without thinking or researching ... I do feel bad for them,
but maybe that's a lesson learned ... and it would be great if they turn
around and help the rest of the world by posting their experiences in a
variety of places.  The more information we can get out there in more places
the better.

Curt.


On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 5:18 AM, Chris Wilkinson
wrote:

> Well let them read these emails, and have them serve as a warning - they
> and their ilk will not be tolerated, and they will be outed for the immoral
> scamming lowlifes that they are.
>
> I don't care if their enterprise is completely 100% legal (which in my
> interpretation of GPL v2 it is NOT). It is a scam, and targets and rips off
> those who know no better. I would like to posit that inaction in this matter
> could reflect badly on the flightgear project - after all if I purchased a
> blatant copy of a free software, but only realized after the fact, sure I'd
> be angry at the scammers but I'd also like to know whether or not the people
> behind the free software were trying to do something about it.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Chris Wilkinson, YBBN/BNE.
>
> --
> *From:* George Patterson 
>
> *To:* FlightGear developers discussions <
> flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
> *Sent:* Thu, 13 January, 2011 8:48:37 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Flightgear-devel] pirates
>
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 6:22 PM, Michael Sgier 
> wrote:
> >
> > Those crappy pirates are going on my nervesWhy not add some
> convoluted code to display:
> >
> > Flightgear.org fly free
> >
> > or alike at various in game stages? Should not be that complicated?
> >
>
> It would be better would be to release a new version and publicise the
> release.
>
> This means press release to Flight Simulator magazines, twit it, rave
> about it on facebook, create videos on youtube.
>
> Yes, i know we (collectively) have been doing that anyway, but this is
> more effective than relying on the slime balls deciding to upgrade to
> the latest version. let's do our bet to outmarket them. There is
> probably more of us than them.
>
> Note: they could be reading this and associated emails now.
>
> Regards
>
>
> George
>
>
> --
> Prot

[Flightgear-devel] YAsim helicopter capabilities

2011-01-13 Thread Curtis Olson 
Hi everyone,

"Quick" question here.  Do we have a document or web page or any information
that summarizes the capabilities of the YASim helicopter models.  I.e. what
the physics engine can do and what aspects are modeled or not.  I know there
are bits and pieces scattered throughout the developer discussion emails,
but I'm hoping for a nice concise summary that I can email to someone
(either a link or a readme )

If we don't have something, would anyone be willing to whip something up?
 Ideally written from the perspective that FlightGear's helicopter modeling
is realistic enough to be useful for "serious" helicopter modeling projects.

Thanks,

Curt.
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] YAsim helicopter capabilities

2011-01-13 Thread Heiko Schulz 
Hi,
Yep, of course we have. One descriptions was sent some years to EUROCOPTER, 
(unfortunately without answer :-(), another in german was sent to a X-Plane-guy.

I can provide both.Give me some days for translation, unless someone others 
(Maik as the author behind) is faster. 
CheersHeiko

still in work: http://www.hoerbird.net/galerie.html

But already done: http://www.hoerbird.net/reisen.html

--- Curtis Olson  schrieb am Do, 13.1.2011:

Von: Curtis Olson 
Betreff: [Flightgear-devel] YAsim helicopter capabilities
An: "FlightGear developers discussions" 
Datum: Donnerstag, 13. Januar, 2011 20:25 Uhr

Hi everyone,
"Quick" question here.  Do we have a document or web page or any information 
that summarizes the capabilities of the YASim helicopter models.  I.e. what the 
physics engine can do and what aspects are modeled or not.  I know there are 
bits and pieces scattered throughout the developer discussion emails, but I'm 
hoping for a nice concise summary that I can email to someone (either a link or 
a readme )


If we don't have something, would anyone be willing to whip something up?  
Ideally written from the perspective that FlightGear's helicopter modeling is 
realistic enough to be useful for "serious" helicopter modeling projects.


Thanks,
Curt.
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] YAsim helicopter capabilities

2011-01-13 Thread Curtis Olson 
On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Heiko Schulz wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
> Yep, of course we have. One descriptions was sent some years to EUROCOPTER,
> (unfortunately without answer :-(), another in german was sent to a
> X-Plane-guy.
>
>
> I can provide both.
>
> Give me some days for translation, unless someone others (Maik as the
> author behind) is faster.
>

Thanks Heiko,

I appreciate the help!

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] pirates

2011-01-13 Thread Chris Wilkinson 
Thanks Curt, I appreciate the heads up on whats happening. It is good to know 
that stuff is being done, please keep it up. Please don't take my comments as a 
attack on the fg community, prior to your reply I was partly unaware of what 
others were doing, or if they were doing.

I do however disagree on your belief that they can hurt us - its obvious that 
they are annoyed by what we've already done as evidenced by the callous use of 
the 'flightgear.us' webdomain (among other things), so it is my belief that the 
more we up the ante the more they may react, and in doing so they stand to 
expose themselves more and more for what they really are. It is worth 
understanding that their retaliatory tactics (creating webdomains, ads on 
facebook etc) cost money, ours thus far do not to any great degree (other than 
some time) - that gives us the upper hand, so I could suggest we keep doing 
what 
we're doing.

I've been doing what I can by sending complaints to facebook, doing some 
analysis of the IP addresses associated with the scams websites to geolocate 
where they're sourced, informing anyone I know to also complain if they see the 
ads on facebook and other sites, and requesting that "Dan H Freeman's" articles 
on eZine be taken down due to the misleading nature of his/her/its/they're 
enterprise.

How about adding the search words in the scam websites to the fg wiki and main 
site? That way google will bring up fg on search results that also find 
proflightsim - you can put a small message in the fg site header to alert 
people 
to the scam via google search.


Regards,

Chris Wilkinson, YBBN/BNE.




From: Curtis Olson 
To: FlightGear developers discussions 
Sent: Fri, 14 January, 2011 1:35:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] pirates

Hi Chris,

A lot of people are trying to do things ... we've had boatloads of fake 
facebook 
pages shut down, we have gotten some of the affiliates to remove some of their 
most offensive lies.  But for every page we get closed down, 10 more pop up. 
 It's difficult to battle an opponent who thinks they can do anything and say 
anything with zero accountability.  Why do they have zero accountability? 
 Because they operate with fake accounts, fake names, fake addresses and they 
have tons of these setup and can make up more any time.

Lately they've been running a video on the proflightsim site that is clearly 
not 
flightgear.  Their excuse was that an affiliate sent them it to them, and they 
would look into it.  It was still up on their page last I checked.

We can tell them that they aren't tolerated and that we'll out them ... they 
don't care.

A lot of people are spending time on this including myself.  I've been in 
contact with clickbank (the affiliate/money mechanism for proflightsim sales). 
 I've even been in direct contact with proflightsim.

If you are a person who spent money of proflightsim-scam, just google through 
the flightgear forum and wiki and several other mainstream flight sim sites and 
you'll find plenty of information that is truthful and honest about this whole 
thing.

If you don't think we are doing enough, the please, what are your ideas.  If 
you 
don't think we are doing enough, then please pitch in and help.  But please, 
let's keep our response ethical and our words honest.  One thing we have seen 
is 
that every time we do get a page shutdown or hit them where it hurts, they come 
back in retaliatory form like it's all out war.  They can hurt us too if we go 
down the path of all out war ... that's not what I want to do.


If you hear of someone getting ripped off, or you yourself got ripped off ... 
please contact click bank ... they aren't exactly bastions of innocence but 
they 
have to keep up a good front and if enough complaints come in it forces them to 
respond.  Likewise, proflightsim is about as slimy as it gets, good luck 
cashing 
in on your 100% rock solid money back guarantee if you decide you want it.  But 
people who have pressed them hard enough have gotten through and gotten their 
money back.

And by all means, let's keep posting and talking about this issue.  Every 
email, 
every forum post, every blog or tweet or facebook comment adds to the body of 
evidence available on the web.  As this body of evidence grows and spreads it 
becomes easier to find and someone who does a bit of legitimate research ahead 
of purchasing should hopefully have a good chance at digging up some valid 
information.  For those that just whip out their credit card and click buy 
without thinking or researching ... I do feel bad for them, but maybe that's a 
lesson learned ... and it would be great if they turn around and help the rest 
of the world by posting their experiences in a variety of places.  The more 
information we can get out there in more places the better.

Curt.



On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 5:18 AM, Chris Wilkinson  
wrote:

Well let them read these emails, and have them serve as a warning

[Flightgear-devel] ..shifty sunshine camouflage bug in FG-2.0.0-2, has it been fixed in git or FG-2.2?

2011-01-13 Thread Arnt Karlsen 
Hi,

..just upgraded from Debian Sid's FG-1.9.1 to FG-2.0.0-2,
framerates stayed up ok @ ~ 12-15 fps.  These screenshots:
https://github.com/gasguru/flightgearthings/raw/master/fgfs-screen-001.png
https://github.com/gasguru/flightgearthings/raw/master/fgfs-screen-002.png
https://github.com/gasguru/flightgearthings/raw/master/fgfs-screen-003.png
https://github.com/gasguru/flightgearthings/raw/master/fgfs-screen-004.png
https://github.com/gasguru/flightgearthings/raw/master/fgfs-screen-005.png
https://github.com/gasguru/flightgearthings/raw/master/fgfs-screen-006.png
https://github.com/gasguru/flightgearthings/raw/master/fgfs-screen-007.png
https://github.com/gasguru/flightgearthings/raw/master/fgfs-screen-008.png

...shows at least 4 different "WWI-style German camouflage 
printed canvas" on FG's default C172P, the Beaver and a few 
more, "where the sun shines", these "camo printed canvases" 
change for every frame, but doesn't seem to harm the 
framerate, it's quite like what I saw in FG-1.9.1. 8o)

..laptop: Fujitsu-Siemens Celsius H240 w T7200 cpu, 
4GB memory and ATI RV530 
https://github.com/gasguru/flightgearthings/blob/master/lshw 
https://github.com/gasguru/flightgearthings/blob/master/dmesg
https://github.com/gasguru/flightgearthings/blob/master/Xorg.0.log

...on Debian Sid/Experimental radeon driver,  on Debian Sid's latest 
flightgear-2.0.0-2, will add output of any debug output ideas, here: 
https://github.com/gasguru/flightgearthings

..current software listing (long)
https://github.com/gasguru/flightgearthings/blob/master/dpkg_-l

..half baked benchmarks:
https://github.com/gasguru/flightgearthings/blob/master/aiglxbenchmark.out


..I use: fgfs --geometry=1920x1200 --httpd= --jpg-httpd=9876 \ 
--timeofday=noon --prop:controls/gear/brake-parking=1 \
--prop:sim/frame-rate=true --fov=94 &

..the important thing is, has this "shifty sunshine camo 
canvas" bug in FG-2.0.0-2, been fixed in git and FG-2.2?


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