Re: [Flightgear-devel] New (real time) mapping tool proposal
FGx looks nice. Does anyone else building FGx (in QT4 Creator, but otherwise according to the build instructions here http://wiki.flightgear.org/FGX) have trouble loading airport data on Ubuntu 11.10 ? FGx exits with these terminal messages after I select the fgdata directory: Error FODC0002 in tag:trolltech.com,2007:QtXmlPatterns:QIODeviceVariable:u, at line 1, column 21: Unsupported XML version. Error XPDY0002 in file:///home/mcolman/src/fgfs/fgx/fgx-build-desktop/fgx, at line 1, column 1: The focus is undefined. Segmentation fault Thanks, Miles On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 7:58 AM, Curtis Olson curtol...@gmail.com wrote: Anything with screen shots or information -- I don't have time this evening to download it and get all the dependencies in place and compile it just to check it out what it is beside another launcher? I've seen fgx mentioned before, but never checked it out myself since I always launch from the command line. On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Pedro Morgan p...@freeflightsim.org wrote: http://code.google.com/p/fgx/ http://gitorious.org/fgx http://fgx.ch is placeholder On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 10:27 PM, Curtis Olson curtol...@gmail.com wrote: Where would I find FGx and more information about it? On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 4:00 PM, HB-GRAL flightg...@sablonier.ch wrote: Am 02.03.12 22:21, schrieb Curtis Olson: - An open-layers based mapping tool (similar to mpmap, but not based on proprietary google technology) - Include the ability to draw and edit a route (a set of connected way points) and then upload that to FlightGear's route manager - Include the ability to receive UDP (TCP?) position (and other data?) updates from FlightGear -- directly or via an mpserver - Include some additional buttons for commanding and controlling flightgear. - This could actually get packaged and installed with flightgear, and someone would only have to point their browser at a local html file to fire up the map and start using it. - I have a personal interest in UAV's and something along this lines could be adapted to make a slick UAV ground station interface. Now I am deeply offended. Did you ever have a closer look to FGx launcher? It has exactly all this already prepared for you and this project is open to any contribution. Never mind. ;-) Cheers, Yves -- Virtualization Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Virtualization Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Virtualization Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org -- Virtualization Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Virtualization Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service.
[Flightgear-devel] Window glass reflection effects
I have a request to aircraft developers. I was trying the DR400 yesterday, and I liked the plane as such quite well - but the canopy glass effect spoiled all my fun. The reflection effects are just way too strong. I have a similar problem with the cockpit windows of the CRJ700 which also dull the colors of the environment rather strongly. I would ask that such effects are implemented optionally. I would like to get the direct view outside without any glass effect. I was seriously tempted to open ac3d and simply remove the offending window... The reason for this has to do with perception: Glass may be dirty and have lots of reflections, but we don't actually 'see' that. When looking through a window, the eyes are focused for distance, whereas the glass stains and reflections are near, so they create blurred images on the retina with different depth information (i.e. different apparent locations in both eyes). As a result, unless the window is very dirty, the visual processing in the brain removes dirt and reflections very efficiently - in essence we are able to look 'through' the dirt. Now, when a realistic amount of dirt and reflections is rendered in front of the outside scene on a flat screen, the brain lacks the depth information and the eyes always focus on the screen, and as a result perception can not do this trick. So a seemingly realistic amount of reflection on-screen end up simulating a very dirty and distorting glass which I would never fly with in the first place - I'd clean my cockpit window before takeoff. So if implemented at all, I think the effect has to be very subtle, and in my opinion only a minority of planes get this 'right'. Thus, please consider it good practice to allow people to clean their windows and switch all glass effects off. Thanks, * Thorsten -- Virtualization Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] auto-coordination
This is in fact my preferred solution.
- it does not break existing aircraft
- it keeps existing --enable-auto-coordination behavior
- it is configurable, even at runtime
- minimal code change
I have the patch ready and I'm about to commit it. While at it, I'd like
to move the involved properties out of /sim/ to /controls.
/sim is so very much unstructured and a melting pot for properties that
never found an appropriate location. And I think /controls just fits
better than don't know where, so put it in /sim. Objections?
I'll take care of the wrightFlyer1903, the pa22, the waveXtreme150, the
Saitek X52 and the bintest protocol in FGDATA and adjust the names
accordingly.
Torsten
Am 09.03.2012 21:41, schrieb syd adams:
Now that sounds like an even better idea.Less chance of breaking
anything , but still adjustable.Thanks Torsten.
On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Torsten Dreyertors...@t3r.de wrote:
Am 09.03.2012 20:44, schrieb syd adams:
Ok I haven't entirely given up on the idea of removing the
auto-coordination from the code.Wouldn't it be more appropriate to add
that rudder control to controls.nas?
Then it can be replaced if need be on a per aircraft basis , but not
break anything
otherwise.And maybe it could be slip/skid-ball driven ... my whole
point is NOT to disable it but make it configurable.
Currently the rudder is set to 0.5 * aileron if autocoordination is
enabled. The value of 0.5 is hardcoded.
An easy and portable way to implement your request might be to introduce
a new property (e.g. /sim/auto-coordination-factor) with the default
value of 0.5. and change the code
if ( auto_coordination-getBoolValue() ) {
set_rudder( aileron / 2.0 );
}
to
if ( auto_coordination-getBoolValue()
auto_coordination_factor-getDoubleValue() 0.0 ) {
set_rudder( aileron * auto_coordination_factor-getDoubleValue() );
}
so that setting /sim/auto-coordination-factor to a value of zero or less
disables the hardcoded auto-coordination but leaves the command-line
argument and the enable-property usable.
Torsten
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] New (real time) mapping tool proposal
Am 10.03.12 09:35, schrieb Miles Colman: FGx looks nice. Does anyone else building FGx (in QT4 Creator, but otherwise according to the build instructions here http://wiki.flightgear.org/FGX) have trouble loading airport data on Ubuntu 11.10 ? FGx exits with these terminal messages after I select the fgdata directory: Error FODC0002 in tag:trolltech.com,2007:QtXmlPatterns:QIODeviceVariable:u, at line 1, column 21: Unsupported XML version. Error XPDY0002 in file:///home/mcolman/src/fgfs/fgx/fgx-build-desktop/fgx, at line 1, column 1: The focus is undefined. Segmentation fault Thanks, Miles Hi Miles Is there a specific airport affected or does it appear just when you set path to fgdata and FGx is on scan of directories afterwards? We get this behaviour with recent fgdata, also with aircrafts, and it seems like it is a common encoding issue we have to solve. Anyway, a fix for the parser is on the way, because this issue was reported from others too. Cheers, Yves -- Virtualization Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] auto-coordination
Sounds good to me.Thanks for dealing with this.
Syd
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 2:45 AM, Torsten Dreyer tors...@t3r.de wrote:
This is in fact my preferred solution.
- it does not break existing aircraft
- it keeps existing --enable-auto-coordination behavior
- it is configurable, even at runtime
- minimal code change
I have the patch ready and I'm about to commit it. While at it, I'd like
to move the involved properties out of /sim/ to /controls.
/sim is so very much unstructured and a melting pot for properties that
never found an appropriate location. And I think /controls just fits
better than don't know where, so put it in /sim. Objections?
I'll take care of the wrightFlyer1903, the pa22, the waveXtreme150, the
Saitek X52 and the bintest protocol in FGDATA and adjust the names
accordingly.
Torsten
Am 09.03.2012 21:41, schrieb syd adams:
Now that sounds like an even better idea.Less chance of breaking
anything , but still adjustable.Thanks Torsten.
On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Torsten Dreyertors...@t3r.de wrote:
Am 09.03.2012 20:44, schrieb syd adams:
Ok I haven't entirely given up on the idea of removing the
auto-coordination from the code.Wouldn't it be more appropriate to add
that rudder control to controls.nas?
Then it can be replaced if need be on a per aircraft basis , but not
break anything
otherwise.And maybe it could be slip/skid-ball driven ... my whole
point is NOT to disable it but make it configurable.
Currently the rudder is set to 0.5 * aileron if autocoordination is
enabled. The value of 0.5 is hardcoded.
An easy and portable way to implement your request might be to introduce
a new property (e.g. /sim/auto-coordination-factor) with the default
value of 0.5. and change the code
if ( auto_coordination-getBoolValue() ) {
set_rudder( aileron / 2.0 );
}
to
if ( auto_coordination-getBoolValue()
auto_coordination_factor-getDoubleValue() 0.0 ) {
set_rudder( aileron * auto_coordination_factor-getDoubleValue() );
}
so that setting /sim/auto-coordination-factor to a value of zero or less
disables the hardcoded auto-coordination but leaves the command-line
argument and the enable-property usable.
Torsten
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] auto-coordination
Also, the real pa22 Tri-Pacer has a spring rudder interlock with the ailerons so it can be overridden by the pilot when he wants to have cross control as in a cross wind. Dave P. On 03/09/2012 02:45 PM, Adam Dershowitz, Ph.D., P.E. wrote: Few, but at least one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ERCO_Ercoupe --Adam On Mar 9, 2012, at 12:05 PM, Curtis Olson wrote: The counter argument here is that the existing auto coordination system is nothing more than one line of code that forces some rudder deflection in proportion to aileron deflection -- basically implementing some sort of hard linked manual system. I am sure there are very few (if any?) real life aircraft rigged in such a way. Curt. On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Renk Thorsten wrote: Ok I haven't entirely given up on the idea of removing the auto-coordination from the code. Why? Wouldn't it be more appropriate to add that rudder control to controls.nas? Nasal runs per graphical frame, FDMs may need to run faster at low framerates. Nasal AP systems tend to become unstable below 15 fps or so (see the F-14b). Then it can be replaced if need be on a per aircraft basis , but not break anything otherwise. You can replace it now on a per aircraft basis at the simple expense of setting a single property to false. If the aircraft is equipped with a better system, then that system can do so. Why is that a problem? And maybe it could be slip/skid-ball driven ... my whole point is NOT to disable it but make it configurable. Yes, them make it configurable on any aircraft you like. But it should not be absent from any aircraft you haven't touched. Cheers, * Thorsten -- Virtualization Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net mailto:Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com http://www.atiak.com/ - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://aem.umn.edu/%7Euav/ http://www.flightgear.org http://www.flightgear.org/ - http://gallinazo.flightgear.org http://gallinazo.flightgear.org/ -- Virtualization Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Virtualization Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Virtualization Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] scenery loading cleanup
Hi Mathias, I know a lot of users who use this kind of organisation about scenery folder, and these users aren't scenery developpers. I think your change will breaks a lot of users configuration with the next release (2.8.0) I'm convinced that your change is a good improvement (if I understand correctly: your changes avoid to read useless folders) and I hope you will find a good compromise. Cheers, Clément -- Virtualization Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Recent shader stuff vs 2.4
Martin, I just pushed a fix (thanks to Emilian for some great feedback!): https://gitorious.org/fg/fgdata/commit/3b92fc9bc0705be6516161fc50781d800d6680c2 Use --prop:/sim/rendering/shaders/quality-level=-1 to enable the custom settings in the Shader Options dialog. Apart from that the quality-level property will work as before (0 disables all shaders, 5 puts all shaders to max). You might need to delete autosave.xml (or at least remove the line related to quality-level), because I've renamed the real property to quality-level-internal. The quality-level prop is now only used for commandline input. Feedback is welcome! Cheers, Gijs -- Virtualization Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] scenery loading cleanup
Anders Gidenstam wrote: This change breaks my setup. I consider it a feature that FG used to load objects from all scenery directories visited up until the first one that contains terrain for the tile. The current item in the scenery path may be defined either by having the requested terrain tile without objects or by having the objects tile without terrain (we're having lightships and buoys without terrain) - or by having both. Therefore if you need to have shared models, just put them into the respective scenery directory where they're being used. Basically by reworking the tile lookup sequence Mathias just fixed a flaw in the loader which wasn't supposed to exist. Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Virtualization Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Recent shader stuff vs 2.4
Gijs de Rooy wrote: I just pushed a fix Thanks, looks much better now. https://gitorious.org/fg/fgdata/commit/3b92fc9bc0705be6516161fc50781d800d6680c2 As a side note, I'd like to point out that my case wasn't about overriding custom shader settings (as alleged in the comment in gui.nas), I just felt unhappy with the startup *defaults*. Cheers, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- -- Virtualization Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Sunrises 1.2 commit
Hi Fred Thorsten, I just noticed, that the Sunrises 1.2 commit reverted a change to environment.xml, I have commited two weeks before. That's not a big issue, changing that back was just a one-line change. To help avoiding unintended changes, could you please consider joining our regular work-flow and use merge-requests at gitorious instead of copying tar-balls? It's so much easier to see what has changed and what will be commited to the repository. Thank you. Torsten -- Virtualization Cloud Management Using Capacity Planning Cloud computing makes use of virtualization - but cloud computing also focuses on allowing computing to be delivered as a service. http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sfnl/114/51521223/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
