Re: [Flightgear-devel] License of simgear/screen/texture.cxx
Ron Jensen skrev: On Mon, 2009-06-22 at 03:30 +0200, o...@arcticnet.no wrote: o...@arcticnet.no skrev: Ron Jensen skrev: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/glut/libglut3_3.7-25_all.deb Yes, but it's in the oldlibs section. No current package in Debian use it. Everything is linked against freeglut, which supersedes it. Upon further examination, I'll have to correct myself. That link points to a dummy transition package which just depends on freeglut and is otherwise empty. Mark Kilgard's glut really isn't in Debian anymore. I didn't look at the .deb, I'll admit. I did pull the original today, though: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/glut/glut_3.7.orig.tar.gz (3.0 mbytes) Why this academic exercise? There aren't any binaries built from that, so Debian packages couldn't use it. The empty transition packages probably only still use that upstream source because of technical reasons (due to the way the archive management and dependency system works). Without any binaries, then for all practical purposes, it's gone. I'd think that's good enough (and probably so did the Debian glut maintainer, who now maintains freeglut). -- Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] License of simgear/screen/texture.cxx
It seems that the license header of simgear/screen/texture.{cxx,hxx}
does not have the same LGPL header as the rest of the sources. In fact,
it says that the code is freely distributable, but not freely
modifiable. Is this file really under an Open Source license? Could you
clarify (at least for the sake of the license pedants here at Debian,
who won't accept my packages without settling this)?
Thanks.
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] License of simgear/screen/texture.cxx
Curtis Olson skrev: Are we running on the assumption that we can only do what is expressly allowed? When it comes to someone else's copyright, it's not only an assumption. It's the law. And Debian is adamant about following it... so, yes. Thanks. -- Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] License of simgear/screen/texture.cxx
I've tried to figure out the origin of that code, and it seems there's consensus that Kilgard's code really cannot be modified. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenGL_Utility_Toolkit Kilgard's GLUT library is no longer maintained, and its license did not permit the redistribution of modified versions of the library. So some people reimplemented it from scratch: http://freeglut.sourceforge.net/ So, as an alternative to retiring texture.cpp entirely, perhaps you can substitute in freeglut's texture loader (assuming there's one?) instead of Kilgard's... -- Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] License of simgear/screen/texture.cxx
Ron Jensen skrev:
I think this 5 year old bug might help answer the question
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=131997
Hmm, thanks. I guess I can show them that, then, when I package simgear
up again. Hopefully it's enough.
I am not sure if texture.{cxx,hxx} qualifies as a glut example, but even
if it doesn't glut has the same license as this fragment, and glut is
still in debian
http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/glut/libglut3_3.7-25_all.deb
Yes, but it's in the oldlibs section. No current package in Debian use
it. Everything is linked against freeglut, which supersedes it.
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] License of simgear/screen/texture.cxx
o...@arcticnet.no skrev: Ron Jensen skrev: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/glut/libglut3_3.7-25_all.deb Yes, but it's in the oldlibs section. No current package in Debian use it. Everything is linked against freeglut, which supersedes it. Upon further examination, I'll have to correct myself. That link points to a dummy transition package which just depends on freeglut and is otherwise empty. Mark Kilgard's glut really isn't in Debian anymore. -- Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] License of simgear/screen/texture.cxx
Curtis Olson skrev: Can we just quote Mark Kilgard's comment in that thread that modification is fine? That's what I plan to do for now. I like Debian and I ran their distribution on my machines for many years. I admire how carefully they follow through with these licensing issues ... but my word ... no wonder their package versions are 4 years behind every other distribution. Oh, why is that? In Debian, freeglut apparently only replaced glut in March 2004 (two years after that license bug), presumably because freeglut was actively maintained, fixed bugs, and had simply become better than Mark Kilgard's glut. (I think I do remember it breaking flightgear a bit at one time, but they quickly fixed it.) As far as I know, in general, the only reason package versions in Debian stable is behind other distros is due to the @#% long release cycle, not much else. Well, and sometimes it's because the maintainers are volunteers who don't get paid, and might get too busy and/or lazy. Anyway, where other distros measure the release cycle in months, it seems Debian measures it in years (and the final year of that cycle is dedicated to a freeze, where no updates are allowed...). For that reason, typical Debian end-users often don't stick to stable, but follow either the testing or unstable branches (depending on how brave they are or something), where they *can* get updated packages in a timely fashion, without waiting 4 years. I run testing myself on my laptop, and haven't had a lot of problems (once I managed to get it installed in the first place, given that the Intel wifi requires non-free firmware which Debian didn't bundle on the installation media; had to go online to download it, Catch-22). My software is always reasonably up to date. -- Are you an open source citizen? Join us for the Open Source Bridge conference! Portland, OR, June 17-19. Two days of sessions, one day of unconference: $250. Need another reason to go? 24-hour hacker lounge. Register today! http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;215844324;13503038;v?http://opensourcebridge.org ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
