Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations
On Sunday 05 October 2008 10:13:54 Durk Talsma wrote: While I'm at it. :-) With each release we include a selection of representative aircraft that highlight FlightGear's capabilities. Inclusion criteria include: Completeness, variability across categories, realism, suitability for demo flights (think of aerotowing, AI/Multiplayer refueling, carrier landing, etc etc.), relative ease of operation (ie don't want to intimidate new users too much), and disk space (we don't want to bloat the base package too much). So, with these criteria in mind, what would be your current top 10 of aircraft? I hope to make some serious progress in pushing out a release candidate this weekend. So far I've been given valuable suggestions for potential aircraft to include in the release. I still have a gut feeling that there might be hidden little gems in our CVS repository that haven't received much attention yet. So, if you have your top ten ready, please let me know... Cheers, Durk - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations
On dimanche 05 octobre 2008, Durk Talsma wrote: While I'm at it. :-) With each release we include a selection of representative aircraft that highlight FlightGear's capabilities. Inclusion criteria include: Completeness, variability across categories, realism, suitability for demo flights (think of aerotowing, AI/Multiplayer refueling, carrier landing, etc etc.), relative ease of operation (ie don't want to intimidate new users too much), and disk space (we don't want to bloat the base package too much). So, with these criteria in mind, what would be your current top 10 of aircraft? Cheers, Durk could you include the Caudron C684 http://wiki.flightgear.org/images/f/fa/C684-1.png Great Aircraft, Model, FDM, Cockpit ... It should be able to pretend. Cheers -- Gérard http://pagesperso-orange.fr/GRTux/ J'ai décidé d'être heureux parce que c'est bon pour la santé. Voltaire - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations
Hi Gerard, On Sunday 16 November 2008 15:22:50 gerard robin wrote: could you include the Caudron C684 http://wiki.flightgear.org/images/f/fa/C684-1.png Great Aircraft, Model, FDM, Cockpit ... It should be able to pretend. Cheers Thanks for pointing out this little gem. I took it up for a little spin among the clouds. One certainly needs to work the controls to keep it straight and level, but it's not extremely difficult to fly. Fortunatly, it has an extremely strong landing gear, otherwise it wouldn't have survived my takeoff and landing It's certainly worth a nomination. Cheers, Durk - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations
Am Sonntag, den 05.10.2008, 10:13 +0200 schrieb Durk Talsma: While I'm at it. :-) With each release we include a selection of representative aircraft that highlight FlightGear's capabilities. Inclusion criteria include: Completeness, variability across categories, realism, suitability for demo flights (think of aerotowing, AI/Multiplayer refueling, carrier landing, etc etc.), relative ease of operation (ie don't want to intimidate new users too much), and disk space (we don't want to bloat the base package too much). I'd suggest to exchange the bf109g with the F4U-1. It is easier to handle, has carrier capabilities and is currently undergoing an extensive overhaul. It will have all features the bf109 has now and a more complete cockpit. So, with these criteria in mind, what would be your current top 10 of aircraft? Cheers, Durk - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Detlef Faber http://www.sol2500.net/flightgear - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations
The SU-37 should be regarded as experimental and I did it primarily to see if I could reproduce some of the aerodynamic properties and behaviour of the real-life vectored-thrust/canard equipped SU-30 series aircraft in YASim. For the most part, I felt it was successful but there are some serious outstanding problems with it. From the FDM point of view, the canards are fixed - the INCIDENCE control just doesn't seem to work with mstabs or vstabs, so although the animations are ok, there is zero aerodynamic effect from changing the canard incidence. The thrust-vectoring also needed a slightly dodgy work-around to be able to pitch the thrust up as well as down - I had to rotate the nozzles through 720 degrees and then use the src0, src1, dst0, dst1 tags to map the normalised -1,1 range to center and rotate the nozzles +/- 15 deg around the 360 deg point - this is elegant. Finally, it also needs a much better/more usable FCS than it currently has, so without an awful lot of work, it can't be regarded as a candidate for inclusion in the base package. However, apart from the poor FCS and lack of a cockpit, the FDM and 3D model would make a good basis for an SU-27, where the canard and thrust-vectoring problems wouldn't apply. The 3D model was actually done from an SU-27K drawing (which has the canards but not thrust-vectoring), so with the addition of an arrestor hook it would be a legitimate aircraft for carrier landings (canard issue notwithstanding). Note for modellers: There are slight differences in wing area and tailfin configuration between the various SU-27/30 series aircraft but while the different tailfins are easy to do, getting info on the exact differences in the wings is difficult. LeeE On Sunday 05 October 2008, Ummon Karpe wrote: I would love to see the Su-37 in the base release. However, it seems like it still needs some work. What is your opinion? -Ummon ___ On 5 Oct 2008, at 09:13, Durk Talsma wrote: So, with these criteria in mind, what would be your current top 10 of aircraft? Before the debate gets too details, there intention was (and still is, I think) to have at least one aircraft from the following categories: - the c172 - another light, GA single (eg, the cub, or maybe a more modern single-engine, like the piper archer) - a piston driven twin (senea, c310, etc) - a turboprop (eg, the b1900d, or Dh-6) - a WW2 era fighter (p51d, spitfire, one of the japanese fighters) - a heli - a transport class jet (737, A320, 777ER) - a glider - a modern fighter (f16, f14, SU-37) That's eight straight away, which are basically fixed, to 'prove' to new users that FG can handle all those classes of vehicle. Ten or twelve seems like a good limit - eg add a biz-jet (One of the citations being the obvious candidate) and then there's loads of 'cool' planes - the Osprey, Concorde, the WW1 era fighters, and so on. I'll leave it to Durk to pick a base package size based on the current aircraft selection, but people should be thinking along these lines when picking aircraft. The decision isn't how good the F18 / F14 is, it's whether it's better than then F16 / SU-37. Similarly, the 777ER verses the A320 or 737. And so on for each class - though in some it's easier, the Bo-105 is probably the clear winner for the heli, and the b1900d in the turboprop segment. There's also good arguments for including one 'show-off' aircraft in the base package - the the SR-71, Concorde, the 747-400 or A380, so people get some 'wow' factor without any install / download hassles. Particularly if someone wants to script a demo mode with Concorde taking off over the Golden Gate from KSFO or similar. Regards, James - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations
While I'm at it. :-) With each release we include a selection of representative aircraft that highlight FlightGear's capabilities. Inclusion criteria include: Completeness, variability across categories, realism, suitability for demo flights (think of aerotowing, AI/Multiplayer refueling, carrier landing, etc etc.), relative ease of operation (ie don't want to intimidate new users too much), and disk space (we don't want to bloat the base package too much). So, with these criteria in mind, what would be your current top 10 of aircraft? Cheers, Durk - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations
Durk Talsma wrote: While I'm at it. :-) With each release we include a selection of representative aircraft that highlight FlightGear's capabilities. Inclusion criteria include: Completeness, variability across categories, realism, suitability for demo flights (think of aerotowing, AI/Multiplayer refueling, carrier landing, etc etc.), relative ease of operation (ie don't want to intimidate new users too much), and disk space (we don't want to bloat the base package too much). So, with these criteria in mind, what would be your current top 10 of aircraft? Hi Durk, I clearly vote for the Concorde here. It is not the easiest plane when it comes to all its functions that are implemented (complete engineers seat with a million of buttons ;-), but exactly a model like this shows what is possible with FG. And the player can always automate Copilot and Engineers tasks via a menu and thus concentrate on flying. Cheers, Chris - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations
Great to hear we gonna have a new release this year! I would like to have the 747-400 in the list, but if I read these two points: - disk space (what is the maximum?) - completeness (when is a plane completed?) I don't think it would be suitable ;)My top 10, in alphabetical order Airbus A380 Boeing 737-300 Boeing 787 C172P Citation Bravo EC135 Seahawk SenecaII UFO Zeppelin NT07 Feel free to adjust the list. Gijs From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2008 10:13:54 +0200 Subject: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations While I'm at it. :-) With each release we include a selection of representative aircraft that highlight FlightGear's capabilities. Inclusion criteria include: Completeness, variability across categories, realism, suitability for demo flights (think of aerotowing, AI/Multiplayer refueling, carrier landing, etc etc.), relative ease of operation (ie don't want to intimidate new users too much), and disk space (we don't want to bloat the base package too much).So, with these criteria in mind, what would be your current top 10 of aircraft? Cheers, Durk - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel _ Jouw nieuws en entertainment, vind je op MSN.nl! http://nl.msn.com/- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations
Hi, Great to hear we gonna have a new release this year! I would like to have the 747-400 in the list, but if I read these two points: - disk space (what is the maximum?) - completeness (when is a plane completed?) I don't think it would be suitable ;)My top 10, in alphabetical order Airbus A380 Boeing 737-300 Boeing 787 C172P Citation Bravo EC135 Seahawk SenecaII UFO Zeppelin NT07 Feel free to adjust the list. Gijs I think we don't should change the base package. The aircrafts are still pretty nice and a good example. The only change I would like to see the 777ER instead of the 787. The changes which was made by the forum didn't come yet into CVS. Unless this changes I vote for the 777ER instead 787. Btw: which people has the right to comit aircrafts to cvs? I will try to get most of my projects now into CVS, but it seems that a lot of things disappear here, so I will have an alternative. Or will it be still better to announce every change of an aircraft (a s long the main author don't mind it of course) here on the list? Regards HHS - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations
Hi, We should definitely add one of the airships. Oh- yes, indeed! aAnd with this one JSBSim-aircraft which is capable to start from carrier now! Ask on IRC, or one of the developers per mail (you find their names in the cvs-logs list), or post a link to your aircraft here. (IRC is usually the quickest. :-) O.k. Huh? Nothing disappears here. But some postings here might not find enough attention. Just repost then, or as on IRC. O.k., then it seems to be a problem with my mail provider- yesterday I got a lot of mail from the list, which was sent days ago... Cheers HHS - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations
On dimanche 05 octobre 2008, Heiko Schulz wrote: Hi, We should definitely add one of the airships. Oh- yes, indeed! aAnd with this one JSBSim-aircraft which is capable to start from carrier now! Which won't be possible, because there is missing the Carrier position calculation ( i asked it some weeks ago). The temporary solution is to have a non moving aircraft at a specific place. Here the F-8E on the Cemenceau Carrier. It is able to take off (only if it is at the right place) and to land ( only if it does catch the wire ) . Both places are specific = Constant value Lon Lat area on the carrier I hope that tricky solution being replaced by a better solution. http://pagesperso-orange.fr/GRTux/tux/Ready_to_Jump.jpg Ask on IRC, or one of the developers per mail (you find their names in the cvs-logs list), or post a link to your aircraft here. (IRC is usually the quickest. :-) O.k. Huh? Nothing disappears here. But some postings here might not find enough attention. Just repost then, or as on IRC. O.k., then it seems to be a problem with my mail provider- yesterday I got a lot of mail from the list, which was sent days ago... Cheers HHS -- Gérard http://pagesperso-orange.fr/GRTux/ J'ai décidé d'être heureux parce que c'est bon pour la santé. Voltaire - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations
* Heiko Schulz -- Sunday 05 October 2008: I think we don't should change the base package. We should definitely add one of the airships. I will try to get most of my projects now into CVS, [...] Ask on IRC, or one of the developers per mail (you find their names in the cvs-logs list), or post a link to your aircraft here. (IRC is usually the quickest. :-) [...] but it seems that a lot of things disappear here, Huh? Nothing disappears here. But some postings here might not find enough attention. Just repost then, or as on IRC. m. PS: reminder for new subscribers: irc://irc.flightgear.org/#flightgear - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations
On dimanche 05 octobre 2008, gerard robin wrote: On dimanche 05 octobre 2008, Heiko Schulz wrote: Hi, We should definitely add one of the airships. Oh- yes, indeed! aAnd with this one JSBSim-aircraft which is capable to start from carrier now! Which won't be possible, because there is missing the Carrier position calculation ( i asked it some weeks ago). The temporary solution is to have a non moving aircraft at a specific place. Here the F-8E on the Cemenceau Carrier. I wanted to say a non moving Carrier It is able to take off (only if it is at the right place) and to land ( only if it does catch the wire ) . Both places are specific = Constant value Lon Lat area on the carrier I hope that tricky solution being replaced by a better solution. http://pagesperso-orange.fr/GRTux/tux/Ready_to_Jump.jpg Ask on IRC, or one of the developers per mail (you find their names in the cvs-logs list), or post a link to your aircraft here. (IRC is usually the quickest. :-) O.k. Huh? Nothing disappears here. But some postings here might not find enough attention. Just repost then, or as on IRC. O.k., then it seems to be a problem with my mail provider- yesterday I got a lot of mail from the list, which was sent days ago... Cheers HHS -- Gérard http://pagesperso-orange.fr/GRTux/ J'ai décidé d'être heureux parce que c'est bon pour la santé. Voltaire - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations
Durk Talsma wrote: So, with these criteria in mind, what would be your current top 10 of aircraft? I'd be very happy to see Heiko's overhauled C172 model included in the release. The outer hull is waaay better than the old one, yet the inners still need a little bit more touch, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations
Forgot ne aircraft: the F14 is really nice and has a lot of features! It should be in the package! Cheers HHS - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations
Forgot ne aircraft: the F14 is really nice and has a lot of features! It should be in the package! Cheers HHS But as Durk said the planes shouldn't be to heavy sized... F-14 is almost 25 mb! Wouldn't that be to heavy? _ Uniek: Onbeperkt chatten op je mobiel voor maar € 2,95 per maand! http://www.overaljevriendenbijje.nl/#superdeal- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations
Hello, Durk Talsma wrote: So, with these criteria in mind, what would be your current top 10 of aircraft? I'd be very happy to see Heiko's overhauled C172 model included in the release. The outer hull is waaay better than the old one, yet the inners still need a little bit more touch, Martin. Very thanks for that. Not today, but till middle of this week, I should be ready with the interior and the new, really 3d-panel. Regards HHS - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations
Hi, But as Durk said the planes shouldn't be to heavy sized... F-14 is almost 25 mb! Wouldn't that be to heavy? Depends on the other aircrafts we choose! ;-) We don't should forget, that with the quality also raises the size! And our aircrafts get better and better! Looking at MSFS: the most freeware aircrafts has about 30- 90mb! So it is still far away from to big, but this is my opinon- the community decides! Cheers HHS - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations
On dimanche 05 octobre 2008, gerard robin wrote: On dimanche 05 octobre 2008, gerard robin wrote: On dimanche 05 octobre 2008, Heiko Schulz wrote: Hi, We should definitely add one of the airships. Oh- yes, indeed! aAnd with this one JSBSim-aircraft which is capable to start from carrier now! Which won't be possible, because there is missing the Carrier position calculation ( i asked it some weeks ago). The temporary solution is to have a non moving aircraft at a specific place. Here the F-8E on the Cemenceau Carrier. I wanted to say a non moving Carrier It is able to take off (only if it is at the right place) and to land ( only if it does catch the wire ) . Both places are specific = Constant value Lon Lat area on the carrier I hope that tricky solution being replaced by a better solution. http://pagesperso-orange.fr/GRTux/tux/Ready_to_Jump.jpg Ask on IRC, or one of the developers per mail (you find their names in the cvs-logs list), or post a link to your aircraft here. (IRC is usually the quickest. :-) O.k. Huh? Nothing disappears here. But some postings here might not find enough attention. Just repost then, or as on IRC. O.k., then it seems to be a problem with my mail provider- yesterday I got a lot of mail from the list, which was sent days ago... Cheers HHS I would like to add a remark, about Carrier. The Foch is broken with OSG, because of Solid definition , i asked some weeks ago, why the group name is not taken within OSG I never got any answer :( So the best would be, to avoid to include it in the AI _demo of that next stable release, it can remain as a Geometry model. -- Gérard http://pagesperso-orange.fr/GRTux/ J'ai décidé d'être heureux parce que c'est bon pour la santé. Voltaire - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations
Heiko Schulz wrote: Martin wrote: Durk Talsma wrote: So, with these criteria in mind, what would be your current top 10 of aircraft? I'd be very happy to see Heiko's overhauled C172 model included in the release. The outer hull is waaay better than the old one, yet the inners still need a little bit more touch, Martin. Very thanks for that. Not today, but till middle of this week, I should be ready with the interior and the new, really 3d-panel. That is great news. I look forward to trying it out! If you are doing all that work, it might be worth de-coupling the c172p from all the other c172 Aircraft in CVS (c172, c172r), so it is self-contained and we only have to include a single directory. -Stuart - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations
Stuart Buchanan wrote: If you are doing all that work, it might be worth de-coupling the c172p from all the other c172 Aircraft in CVS (c172, c172r), so it is self-contained and we only have to include a single directory. Actually I thought I had done that already quite some time ago? Anyhow, that would be a good thing to do. Erik - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations
Martin Spott wrote: Durk Talsma wrote: So, with these criteria in mind, what would be your current top 10 of aircraft? I'd be very happy to see Heiko's overhauled C172 model included in the release. The outer hull is waaay better than the old one, yet the inners still need a little bit more touch, If we're aiming for a release around Christmas then I could probably get a set of full 3d instruments done before then. (I can probably cheat and steal most of them from the Grob 115 and just update the instrument face textures). Jon - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations
On 5 Oct 2008, at 09:13, Durk Talsma wrote: So, with these criteria in mind, what would be your current top 10 of aircraft? Before the debate gets too details, there intention was (and still is, I think) to have at least one aircraft from the following categories: - the c172 - another light, GA single (eg, the cub, or maybe a more modern single-engine, like the piper archer) - a piston driven twin (senea, c310, etc) - a turboprop (eg, the b1900d, or Dh-6) - a WW2 era fighter (p51d, spitfire, one of the japanese fighters) - a heli - a transport class jet (737, A320, 777ER) - a glider - a modern fighter (f16, f14, SU-37) That's eight straight away, which are basically fixed, to 'prove' to new users that FG can handle all those classes of vehicle. Ten or twelve seems like a good limit - eg add a biz-jet (One of the citations being the obvious candidate) and then there's loads of 'cool' planes - the Osprey, Concorde, the WW1 era fighters, and so on. I'll leave it to Durk to pick a base package size based on the current aircraft selection, but people should be thinking along these lines when picking aircraft. The decision isn't how good the F18 / F14 is, it's whether it's better than then F16 / SU-37. Similarly, the 777ER verses the A320 or 737. And so on for each class - though in some it's easier, the Bo-105 is probably the clear winner for the heli, and the b1900d in the turboprop segment. There's also good arguments for including one 'show-off' aircraft in the base package - the the SR-71, Concorde, the 747-400 or A380, so people get some 'wow' factor without any install / download hassles. Particularly if someone wants to script a demo mode with Concorde taking off over the Golden Gate from KSFO or similar. Regards, James - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations
James Turner schrieb: On 5 Oct 2008, at 09:13, Durk Talsma wrote: So, with these criteria in mind, what would be your current top 10 of aircraft? Before the debate gets too details, there intention was (and still is, I think) to have at least one aircraft from the following categories: - the c172 - another light, GA single (eg, the cub, or maybe a more modern single-engine, like the piper archer) - a piston driven twin (senea, c310, etc) - a turboprop (eg, the b1900d, or Dh-6) - a WW2 era fighter (p51d, spitfire, one of the japanese fighters) - a heli - a transport class jet (737, A320, 777ER) - a glider - a modern fighter (f16, f14, SU-37) That's eight straight away, which are basically fixed, to 'prove' to new users that FG can handle all those classes of vehicle. Ten or twelve seems like a good limit - eg add a biz-jet (One of the citations being the obvious candidate) and then there's loads of 'cool' planes - the Osprey, Concorde, the WW1 era fighters, and so on. ... Regards, James Please don't forget the lighter than air class with ie. the Zeppelin NT. I might be wrong, but no other flightsim can handle this stuff like FlightGear can now. Regards Georg EDDW - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations
This is sounding like a 'base' and a 'full' or 'extras' release packages. The base release should contain what is suggested here - a collection of best of breed aircraft for particular classes that people are interested in. The 'full' provides a collection of 'complete' aircraft, but may duplicate some classes (but with different aircraft). 'Extras' contains the 'random other collection' - like santa, development aircraft and so on. Likewise with scenery. The default location and whatever demo locations should ship with reasonably detailed scenery + other common locations. The 'full' brings in other common scenery, and 'extras' brings in everything else. (Integrating terragear as a thread within the main binary would make autoloading a simple checkbox - hint hint :). Regards... Matthew On 10/5/08, James Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5 Oct 2008, at 09:13, Durk Talsma wrote: So, with these criteria in mind, what would be your current top 10 of aircraft? Before the debate gets too details, there intention was (and still is, I think) to have at least one aircraft from the following categories: - the c172 - another light, GA single (eg, the cub, or maybe a more modern single-engine, like the piper archer) - a piston driven twin (senea, c310, etc) - a turboprop (eg, the b1900d, or Dh-6) - a WW2 era fighter (p51d, spitfire, one of the japanese fighters) - a heli - a transport class jet (737, A320, 777ER) - a glider - a modern fighter (f16, f14, SU-37) That's eight straight away, which are basically fixed, to 'prove' to new users that FG can handle all those classes of vehicle. Ten or twelve seems like a good limit - eg add a biz-jet (One of the citations being the obvious candidate) and then there's loads of 'cool' planes - the Osprey, Concorde, the WW1 era fighters, and so on. I'll leave it to Durk to pick a base package size based on the current aircraft selection, but people should be thinking along these lines when picking aircraft. The decision isn't how good the F18 / F14 is, it's whether it's better than then F16 / SU-37. Similarly, the 777ER verses the A320 or 737. And so on for each class - though in some it's easier, the Bo-105 is probably the clear winner for the heli, and the b1900d in the turboprop segment. There's also good arguments for including one 'show-off' aircraft in the base package - the the SR-71, Concorde, the 747-400 or A380, so people get some 'wow' factor without any install / download hassles. Particularly if someone wants to script a demo mode with Concorde taking off over the Golden Gate from KSFO or similar. Regards, James - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Sent from my mobile device - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations
James Turner wrote On 5 Oct 2008, at 09:13, Durk Talsma wrote: So, with these criteria in mind, what would be your current top 10 of aircraft? Before the debate gets too details, there intention was (and still is, I think) to have at least one aircraft from the following categories: - the c172 - another light, GA single (eg, the cub, or maybe a more modern single-engine, like the piper archer) - a piston driven twin (senea, c310, etc) - a turboprop (eg, the b1900d, or Dh-6) - a WW2 era fighter (p51d, spitfire, one of the japanese fighters) - a heli - a transport class jet (737, A320, 777ER) - a glider - a modern fighter (f16, f14, SU-37) That's eight straight away, which are basically fixed, to 'prove' to new users that FG can handle all those classes of vehicle. Ten or twelve seems like a good limit - eg add a biz-jet (One of the citations being the obvious candidate) and then there's loads of 'cool' planes - the Osprey, Concorde, the WW1 era fighters, and so on. I'll leave it to Durk to pick a base package size based on the current aircraft selection, but people should be thinking along these lines when picking aircraft. The decision isn't how good the F18 / F14 is, it's whether it's better than then F16 / SU-37. Similarly, the 777ER verses the A320 or 737. And so on for each class - though in some it's easier, the Bo-105 is probably the clear winner for the heli, and the b1900d in the turboprop segment. There's also good arguments for including one 'show-off' aircraft in the base package - the the SR-71, Concorde, the 747-400 or A380, so people get some 'wow' factor without any install / download hassles. Particularly if someone wants to script a demo mode with Concorde taking off over the Golden Gate from KSFO or similar. To which I would add that we also want to demonstrate carrier and AAR capabilities. I would personally like to see a float/seaplane included I wouldn't mind getting some particles in there too. Vivian - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations
Matthew Tippett wrote: Likewise with scenery. The default location and whatever demo locations should ship with reasonably detailed scenery + other common locations. The 'full' brings in other common scenery, and 'extras' brings in everything else. (Integrating terragear as a thread within the main binary would make autoloading a simple checkbox - hint hint :). I sincerely hope you didn't mean to earnestly suggest that last part. TerraGear is a beast of complex computational geometry algorithms and neither in a shape nor intended to be integrated into FlightGear. Maybe you meant terrasync? ;-) Cheers, Ralf - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations
On dimanche 05 octobre 2008, Matthew Tippett wrote: This is sounding like a 'base' and a 'full' or 'extras' release packages. The base release should contain what is suggested here - a collection of best of breed aircraft for particular classes that people are interested in. The 'full' provides a collection of 'complete' aircraft, but may duplicate some classes (but with different aircraft). 'Extras' contains the 'random other collection' - like santa, development aircraft and so on. The actual 'full' contains the all the models which where there in CVS when FG 1.0.0 was delivered. http://flightgear.org/Downloads/aircraft/ I guess we don't need to select some Model for that list. Only the base release must be chosen. Likewise with scenery. The default location and whatever demo locations should ship with reasonably detailed scenery + other common locations. The 'full' brings in other common scenery, and 'extras' brings in everything else. (Integrating terragear as a thread within the main binary would make autoloading a simple checkbox - hint hint :). Regards... Matthew -- Gérard http://pagesperso-orange.fr/GRTux/ J'ai décidé d'être heureux parce que c'est bon pour la santé. Voltaire - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations
Yes. Terrasync. With the intent being the terrasync thread can point to multiple repositories for data - low/medium/high resolution. Possibly using a bittorrent style sharing mechanism to share the bandwidth load :). Regards... Matthew On 10/5/08, Ralf Gerlich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matthew Tippett wrote: Likewise with scenery. The default location and whatever demo locations should ship with reasonably detailed scenery + other common locations. The 'full' brings in other common scenery, and 'extras' brings in everything else. (Integrating terragear as a thread within the main binary would make autoloading a simple checkbox - hint hint :). I sincerely hope you didn't mean to earnestly suggest that last part. TerraGear is a beast of complex computational geometry algorithms and neither in a shape nor intended to be integrated into FlightGear. Maybe you meant terrasync? ;-) Cheers, Ralf - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Sent from my mobile device - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations
Matthew Tippett wrote: Yes. Terrasync. With the intent being the terrasync thread can point to multiple repositories for data - low/medium/high resolution. Possibly using a bittorrent style sharing mechanism to share the bandwidth load :). Bittorrent is ok for downloading huge chunks of scenery, but no good for terrasync where you can't be left waiting for that one last block, without which your entire tile is useless. Jon - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations
Matthew Tippett wrote Yes. Terrasync. With the intent being the terrasync thread can point to multiple repositories for data - low/medium/high resolution. Possibly using a bittorrent style sharing mechanism to share the bandwidth load :). Regards... Matthew On 10/5/08, Ralf Gerlich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matthew Tippett wrote: Likewise with scenery. The default location and whatever demo locations should ship with reasonably detailed scenery + other common locations. The 'full' brings in other common scenery, and 'extras' brings in everything else. (Integrating terragear as a thread within the main binary would make autoloading a simple checkbox - hint hint :). I sincerely hope you didn't mean to earnestly suggest that last part. TerraGear is a beast of complex computational geometry algorithms and neither in a shape nor intended to be integrated into FlightGear. Maybe you meant terrasync? ;-) Terrasync does not work with Windows (it needs Cygwin, which is a bridge too far for many of our customers). I would recommend that we do not consider any scheme which requires terrasync. Vivian - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations
It was meant more as a concept... Although with dedicated servers (effectively the same as the current rsync servers), there should always be a subset of servers providing all the data. Extra users seeding and sharing at runtime would just be gravy. Incomplete data would be just as likely as a bad download too. If enabled by default in a thread in fgfs, there would be many options for evaluation since feedback would be trivial to obtain. Regards... Matthew On 10/5/08, Jon Stockill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matthew Tippett wrote: Yes. Terrasync. With the intent being the terrasync thread can point to multiple repositories for data - low/medium/high resolution. Possibly using a bittorrent style sharing mechanism to share the bandwidth load :). Bittorrent is ok for downloading huge chunks of scenery, but no good for terrasync where you can't be left waiting for that one last block, without which your entire tile is useless. Jon - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Sent from my mobile device - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations
I would love to see the Su-37 in the base release. However, it seems like it still needs some work. What is your opinion? -Ummon ___ On 5 Oct 2008, at 09:13, Durk Talsma wrote: So, with these criteria in mind, what would be your current top 10 of aircraft? Before the debate gets too details, there intention was (and still is, I think) to have at least one aircraft from the following categories: - the c172 - another light, GA single (eg, the cub, or maybe a more modern single-engine, like the piper archer) - a piston driven twin (senea, c310, etc) - a turboprop (eg, the b1900d, or Dh-6) - a WW2 era fighter (p51d, spitfire, one of the japanese fighters) - a heli - a transport class jet (737, A320, 777ER) - a glider - a modern fighter (f16, f14, SU-37) That's eight straight away, which are basically fixed, to 'prove' to new users that FG can handle all those classes of vehicle. Ten or twelve seems like a good limit - eg add a biz-jet (One of the citations being the obvious candidate) and then there's loads of 'cool' planes - the Osprey, Concorde, the WW1 era fighters, and so on. I'll leave it to Durk to pick a base package size based on the current aircraft selection, but people should be thinking along these lines when picking aircraft. The decision isn't how good the F18 / F14 is, it's whether it's better than then F16 / SU-37. Similarly, the 777ER verses the A320 or 737. And so on for each class - though in some it's easier, the Bo-105 is probably the clear winner for the heli, and the b1900d in the turboprop segment. There's also good arguments for including one 'show-off' aircraft in the base package - the the SR-71, Concorde, the 747-400 or A380, so people get some 'wow' factor without any install / download hassles. Particularly if someone wants to script a demo mode with Concorde taking off over the Golden Gate from KSFO or similar. Regards, James - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations
On Sun, Oct 5, 2008 at 1:59 PM, Vivian Meazza wrote: Terrasync does not work with Windows (it needs Cygwin, which is a bridge too far for many of our customers). I would recommend that we do not consider any scheme which requires terrasync. As mentioned previously here and other places, terrasync was a one evening proof of concept hack/experiment ... with a little polish added a couple days later. It's made available to folks that want to use it and not officially sanctioned. It flows from the general culture of unix which likes to take small programs (building blocks) and string them together with some sort of glue code to produce useful functionality. It was never intended to become an official scenery distribution mechanism, it was just something fun/quick that seemed like a good idea at the time (and still probably is under many circumstances.) Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations
If we're aiming for a release around Christmas then I could probably get a set of full 3d instruments done before then. (I can probably cheat and steal most of them from the Grob 115 and just update the instrument face textures). Jon I know- for this my thanks goes to Thorsten Dreyer and his great Seneca II! ;-) - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations
* Christian Schmitt -- Sunday 05 October 2008: I clearly vote for the Concorde here. From the Concord developer: Note that with OSG, many 2D hotspots are missing inside the Concorde (that works with Plib). Perhaps because of clipping of 2D panels by 3D flatness. Though that doesn't really speak against the Concorde. It's just one more bug that should get fixed. Here are some more bugs ... - timed animation broken - material animation broken (2 bugs: static + shininess) - shader animation broken (weird dependency on light) - segfaults (reported to the osg list, but maybe caused by us) - splash screen should IMHO have the same size as in fg/plib. It's now scaled up to fill almost the whole screen. This doesn't look good. m. PS: The annoying dupli-/multiplication of emails is a bug in the sf.net setup. It's already reported and other projects also suffer. - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations
I'm usually just a lurker on this list but my choices for the most visually and flyably realistic planes are: * C172P Skyhawk (3d panel, of course) * pa28-161 -- Piper Cherokee Warrior II * Pilatus PC-6 Turbo Porter (with the amazing walk features) * Boeing 787-8 * A-6E Intruder * F-14B Tomcat * A-10 Thunderbolt * Aerostar Super 700 * Cessna Citation Bravo * DHC2 - de Havilland Beaver * EC135My criterion are interior realism (appearance and function), exterior realism (appearance and animation), and overall flying experience (realism first, usability second). These nominations are in no particular order (and yes, I know I listed eleven, LOL)... but I also think they represent the best in a wide variety of types -- commercial jets, military jets, light private class aircraft, and a heli. Cheers, -R. (aka MD-Terp) Robert M. Shearman, Jr. Transit Operations Supervisor, University of Maryland Department of Transportation also known as [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message From: Durk Talsma [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FlightGear developers discussions flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Sunday, October 5, 2008 4:13:54 AM Subject: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations While I'm at it. :-) With each release we include a selection of representative aircraft that highlight FlightGear's capabilities. Inclusion criteria include: Completeness, variability across categories, realism, suitability for demo flights (think of aerotowing, AI/Multiplayer refueling, carrier landing, etc etc.), relative ease of operation (ie don't want to intimidate new users too much), and disk space (we don't want to bloat the base package too much). So, with these criteria in mind, what would be your current top 10 of aircraft? Cheers, Durk - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations
Hi, ... * EC135 I vote against this! Thanks for that, but I don't think only the appearence of modeling should count. The main thing of our helis are that they are really realistic- much more maybe than other sims ( MSFS anyway). Though of lacking data, the ec135 in opposite to the bo105 or S76 has not so a much realistic fdm. So I vote for the Bo105! But I hope to get an improved ec135 ready before the release! Regards HHS - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations
Durk Talsma wrote: While I'm at it. :-) With each release we include a selection of representative aircraft that highlight FlightGear's capabilities. Inclusion criteria include: Completeness, variability across categories, realism, suitability for demo flights (think of aerotowing, AI/Multiplayer refueling, carrier landing, etc etc.), relative ease of operation (ie don't want to intimidate new users too much), and disk space (we don't want to bloat the base package too much). So, with these criteria in mind, what would be your current top 10 of aircraft? Cheers, Durk - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel I don't have a full top ten, but I have these I would like to see with a release: * 777-200ER * Concorde the Concorde is a very detailed aircraft and flyss great, the 777-200ER has a very nice range and is quite realistic. - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations
Matthew Tippett wrote: With the intent being the terrasync thread can point to multiple repositories for data - low/medium/high resolution. Possibly using a bittorrent style sharing mechanism to share the bandwidth load :). We're in negotiations for having a nice - somehow 'sponsored' - download infrastructure, using SVN for transport. We'll know better in a few days, Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Call for aircraft nominations
Vivian Meazza wrote: I would personally like to see a float/seaplane included Oh yes, to support this idea, I'm going to add Vancouver Coal Harbour (now: Vancouver Harbour Water Airport) to our airport list ;-) Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
