Re: [Flightgear-devel] More flightprosim offshoots
On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 12:52:46 +1100, George wrote in message aanlktimt=gepene5hdgvv+vn-qhv5ua1rmoa9spe2...@mail.gmail.com: On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 2:17 AM, Heiko Schulz aeitsch...@yahoo.de wrote: Hi, http://www.airbusflightsimulator.com/index.html http://www.airbusflightsimulator.com/buy-flight-simulator.html http://www.airbusflightsimulator.com/flight-simulator-planes.html A mail to Airbus should be enough to deal with! This domain name is registered to Wodonga, in Victoria Australia, contact email address is a web design company (velvetmice.com). So yes, a email to Airbus could be the best way to deal with it. Especially when they are making it sound as though their 'solution' is a certified flight simulator. ..just so we are on the same page here: Exactly how are they making it sound as though their 'solution' is a certified flight simulator? -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. -- Learn how Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) One Node allows customers to consolidate database storage, standardize their database environment, and, should the need arise, upgrade to a full multi-node Oracle RAC database without downtime or disruption http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] More flightprosim offshoots
On Wed, 29 Dec 2010, Chris Wilkinson wrote: proflightsim.com is hosted in Washington State, but leap-frogs via the same Florida location. FYI, proflightsim.com is now throwwing 403 Forbidden. \o/ g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.simpits.org/geneb - The Me-109F/X Project ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. -- Learn how Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) One Node allows customers to consolidate database storage, standardize their database environment, and, should the need arise, upgrade to a full multi-node Oracle RAC database without downtime or disruption http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] More flightprosim offshoots
Here's an update on my previous thought. I opened up a trouble ticket at proflightsimulator.com and reported the rogue affiliate that is being nasty on facebook and who registered flightgear.us to promote proflightsimulator.com. I see that he has toned down his rhetoric significantly, but if we can document and report cases of affiliate abuse, we might be able to get proflightsimulator.com to cut them off. If there's no financial incentive for these rogue affiliates because they've been cut off, then they would likely fade into the distant memory. That remains to be seen though, proflightsimulator seems to be good at saying the right things, but we need to document their actions in detail. If anyone out there has been ripped off by these scammers or charged an amount they weren't expecting, they should be able to take advantage of the proflightsimulator 100% no-hassle rock-solid refund offer advertised on their web site. It appears you need to open up a trouble ticket on their web site to request a refund. I would be very interested in documenting cases where customers are successful or unsuccessful at getting a refund. At any rate, as I've been able to communicate both with clickbank.com (the financial wing of the scam) and proflightsimulator.com, it is becoming apparent that to proceed we need documented evidence from actual customers. Simply expressing our sentiments doesn't actually advance our position at all. Regards, Curt On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Gene Buckle ge...@deltasoft.com wrote: On Wed, 29 Dec 2010, Chris Wilkinson wrote: proflightsim.com is hosted in Washington State, but leap-frogs via the same Florida location. FYI, proflightsim.com is now throwwing 403 Forbidden. \o/ g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.simpits.org/geneb - The Me-109F/X Project ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. -- Learn how Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) One Node allows customers to consolidate database storage, standardize their database environment, and, should the need arise, upgrade to a full multi-node Oracle RAC database without downtime or disruption http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://www.flightgear.org/blogs/category/curt/http://www.flightgear.org/blogs/category/personal/curt/ -- Learn how Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) One Node allows customers to consolidate database storage, standardize their database environment, and, should the need arise, upgrade to a full multi-node Oracle RAC database without downtime or disruption http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] More flightprosim offshoots
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 4:23 PM, Curtis Olson wrote: If anyone out there has been ripped off by these scammers or charged an amount they weren't expecting, they should be able to take advantage of the proflightsimulator 100% no-hassle rock-solid refund offer advertised on their web site. It appears you need to open up a trouble ticket on their web site to request a refund. I would be very interested in documenting cases where customers are successful or unsuccessful at getting a refund. I recall at least one unhappy customer posting on the FG Forums. You could try asking there, if you haven't already. -Stuart -- Learn how Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) One Node allows customers to consolidate database storage, standardize their database environment, and, should the need arise, upgrade to a full multi-node Oracle RAC database without downtime or disruption http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] More flightprosim offshoots
http://www.airbusflightsimulator.com/index.html http://www.airbusflightsimulator.com/buy-flight-simulator.html http://www.airbusflightsimulator.com/flight-simulator-planes.html -- Learn how Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) One Node allows customers to consolidate database storage, standardize their database environment, and, should the need arise, upgrade to a full multi-node Oracle RAC database without downtime or disruption http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] More flightprosim offshoots
Hi, http://www.airbusflightsimulator.com/index.html http://www.airbusflightsimulator.com/buy-flight-simulator.html http://www.airbusflightsimulator.com/flight-simulator-planes.html A mail to Airbus should be enough to deal with! After reading a newsarticle about products piraty of german cars like SMART and Mercedes in China I slowly begin to think more and more that the poeple behind the rip-off sits in China, and it isn't just one man behind -- Learn how Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) One Node allows customers to consolidate database storage, standardize their database environment, and, should the need arise, upgrade to a full multi-node Oracle RAC database without downtime or disruption http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] More flightprosim offshoots
There is also Boeing flight simulator, according to the website. Incidentally when you click on the link to the airbus one it shows 3 shots of Boeings, when you click on the link to the boeing one it shows an airbus. Go figure! It is such a poorly designed website, using the same html template as all the other variants - I'm hoping that any rational minded person stumbling upon this would have the common sense to mistrust it and avoid it like its the plague... I'd be interested to know how Airbus and Boeing view the use of their IP in the name(s) of the website. Perhaps I should forward the Airbus and Boeing folk an email? Regards, Chris Wilkinson, YBBN/BNE. From: Peter Brown smoothwater...@adelphia.net To: FlightGear developers discussions flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Thu, 30 December, 2010 1:08:15 AM Subject: [Flightgear-devel] More flightprosim offshoots http://www.airbusflightsimulator.com/index.html http://www.airbusflightsimulator.com/buy-flight-simulator.html http://www.airbusflightsimulator.com/flight-simulator-planes.html -- Learn how Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) One Node allows customers to consolidate database storage, standardize their database environment, and, should the need arise, upgrade to a full multi-node Oracle RAC database without downtime or disruption http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Learn how Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) One Node allows customers to consolidate database storage, standardize their database environment, and, should the need arise, upgrade to a full multi-node Oracle RAC database without downtime or disruption http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] More flightprosim offshoots
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 2:17 AM, Heiko Schulz aeitsch...@yahoo.de wrote: Hi, http://www.airbusflightsimulator.com/index.html http://www.airbusflightsimulator.com/buy-flight-simulator.html http://www.airbusflightsimulator.com/flight-simulator-planes.html A mail to Airbus should be enough to deal with! This domain name is registered to Wodonga, in Victoria Australia, contact email address is a web design company (velvetmice.com). So yes, a email to Airbus could be the best way to deal with it. Especially when they are making it sound as though their 'solution' is a certified flight simulator. After reading a newsarticle about products piraty of german cars like SMART and Mercedes in China I slowly begin to think more and more that the poeple behind the rip-off sits in China, and it isn't just one man behind Yes and no. It's an affiliate Multi-level marketing scheme. If I could figure out a way of playing off one affiliate against another and not get caught in the cross fire, I would do it. In the mean time, search youtube for flight pro sim but under search options, select Today. and thumb down their videos so at least they do not rank highly in youtube.com Reporting a video as scam/fraud seems to be very hit and miss. Perhaps youtube staff don't have long to review a video to decide whether to pull the video or not (only guessing here). BTW, I wouldn't want to say where in the world these slime balls are located. Regards George -- Learn how Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) One Node allows customers to consolidate database storage, standardize their database environment, and, should the need arise, upgrade to a full multi-node Oracle RAC database without downtime or disruption http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] More flightprosim offshoots
Here's another thought. When we find these rogue / offensive / completely full of !...@#$@# affiliates, we could report them to the proflightsimulator.com web site. Presumably they lose when an affiliate acts badly. Maybe they don't care, but maybe they do. That's yet to be determined, but if we report some of these affiliates directly to proflightsimulator.com it would be interesting to see what they would do --- or not do. That would be very telling and would help us decide if it's best to concentrate our efforts on reporting rogue affiliates or go straight towards proflightsimulator.com. We also should try to build up contacts with proflightsimulator customers. If they feel they have been ripped off we need to start documenting what they've done and who've they have contacted to try to get a refund. proflightsim promises a 100% no-hassle refund if people ask. There is a lot of confusion floating around between rogue affiliates out right spamming and lying and even saying hateful things, affiliates operation under false identies, etc. We should start documenting reality and see if we can separate out the actions of proflightsimulator.com versus the various affiliates and try to understand if people can actually get a refund if they want one, if it's a full refund of all charges (people are getting multiple additional charges on their credit cards, etc.) Curt. On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 7:52 PM, George Patterson george.patter...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 2:17 AM, Heiko Schulz aeitsch...@yahoo.de wrote: Hi, http://www.airbusflightsimulator.com/index.html http://www.airbusflightsimulator.com/buy-flight-simulator.html http://www.airbusflightsimulator.com/flight-simulator-planes.html A mail to Airbus should be enough to deal with! This domain name is registered to Wodonga, in Victoria Australia, contact email address is a web design company (velvetmice.com). So yes, a email to Airbus could be the best way to deal with it. Especially when they are making it sound as though their 'solution' is a certified flight simulator. After reading a newsarticle about products piraty of german cars like SMART and Mercedes in China I slowly begin to think more and more that the poeple behind the rip-off sits in China, and it isn't just one man behind Yes and no. It's an affiliate Multi-level marketing scheme. If I could figure out a way of playing off one affiliate against another and not get caught in the cross fire, I would do it. In the mean time, search youtube for flight pro sim but under search options, select Today. and thumb down their videos so at least they do not rank highly in youtube.com Reporting a video as scam/fraud seems to be very hit and miss. Perhaps youtube staff don't have long to review a video to decide whether to pull the video or not (only guessing here). BTW, I wouldn't want to say where in the world these slime balls are located. Regards George -- Learn how Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) One Node allows customers to consolidate database storage, standardize their database environment, and, should the need arise, upgrade to a full multi-node Oracle RAC database without downtime or disruption http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olson: http://www.atiak.com - http://aem.umn.edu/~uav/ http://www.flightgear.org - http://www.flightgear.org/blogs/category/curt/http://www.flightgear.org/blogs/category/personal/curt/ -- Learn how Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) One Node allows customers to consolidate database storage, standardize their database environment, and, should the need arise, upgrade to a full multi-node Oracle RAC database without downtime or disruption http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] More flightprosim offshoots
I've taken the liberty of sending an email to the Airbus customer service team, outlining some brief background about FPS and a link to the infringing website. Wodonga? Wow this guy moves (his alleged location) around - lets see if we can pin him down more closely... Georeferencing the IP address gleaned from a traceroute we can see that... airbusflightsimulator.com is hosted near Marcy Squares New York, but leap-frogs via Coconut Creek, Florida. proflightsim.com is hosted in Washington State, but leap-frogs via the same Florida location. flightgear.us is hosted in Burlington, Massachusetts, but again leap-frogs via the exact same Florida location. I'm not a betting man, but Florida is looking kinda good odds currently... Regards, Chris Wilkinson, YBBN/BNE. From: George Patterson george.patter...@gmail.com To: FlightGear developers discussions flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Thu, 30 December, 2010 11:52:46 AM Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] More flightprosim offshoots On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 2:17 AM, Heiko Schulz aeitsch...@yahoo.de wrote: Hi, http://www.airbusflightsimulator.com/index.html http://www.airbusflightsimulator.com/buy-flight-simulator.html http://www.airbusflightsimulator.com/flight-simulator-planes.html A mail to Airbus should be enough to deal with! This domain name is registered to Wodonga, in Victoria Australia, contact email address is a web design company (velvetmice.com). So yes, a email to Airbus could be the best way to deal with it. Especially when they are making it sound as though their 'solution' is a certified flight simulator. After reading a newsarticle about products piraty of german cars like SMART and Mercedes in China I slowly begin to think more and more that the poeple behind the rip-off sits in China, and it isn't just one man behind Yes and no. It's an affiliate Multi-level marketing scheme. If I could figure out a way of playing off one affiliate against another and not get caught in the cross fire, I would do it. In the mean time, search youtube for flight pro sim but under search options, select Today. and thumb down their videos so at least they do not rank highly in youtube.com Reporting a video as scam/fraud seems to be very hit and miss. Perhaps youtube staff don't have long to review a video to decide whether to pull the video or not (only guessing here). BTW, I wouldn't want to say where in the world these slime balls are located. Regards George -- Learn how Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) One Node allows customers to consolidate database storage, standardize their database environment, and, should the need arise, upgrade to a full multi-node Oracle RAC database without downtime or disruption http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Learn how Oracle Real Application Clusters (RAC) One Node allows customers to consolidate database storage, standardize their database environment, and, should the need arise, upgrade to a full multi-node Oracle RAC database without downtime or disruption http://p.sf.net/sfu/oracle-sfdevnl___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
