Re: [Flightgear-devel] XML Schema for YASim, or: a GUI to build YASim aircraft
Torsten Dreyer wrote: I think the point of Torsten ( the OP ) was that if we have a XML schema, users are then free to use the tool they want. Correct, I don't want to promote a specific tool. The reason to name one was to give those a hint who do not know where to start. You have the freedom of choice. Torsten oops! I misunderstood, I thought it was a project of GUI. sorry for that interruption. seb --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
RE: [Flightgear-devel] XML Schema for YASim, or: a GUI to build YASim aircraft
> > I think the point of Torsten ( the OP ) was that if we have a > > XML schema,users are then free to use the tool they want. > > Correct, I don't want to promote a specific tool. The reason to > name one was > to give those a hint who do not know where to start. You have the > freedom of choice. > > Torsten You need to be careful, though. Some editors such as oXygenXML allow you to choose from a selection of various XML schema engines. Not all of them are up to date, and they may each interpret things slightly differently. Jon --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] XML Schema for YASim, or: a GUI to build YASim aircraft
> I think the point of Torsten ( the OP ) was that if we have a XML schema, > users are then free to use the tool they want. Correct, I don't want to promote a specific tool. The reason to name one was to give those a hint who do not know where to start. You have the freedom of choice. Torsten --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] XML Schema for YASim, or: a GUI to build YASim aircraft
Quoting Sébastien MARQUE : > Frederic Bouvier wrote: > > Quoting Torsten Dreyer : > > > > > >>> My favorite editor is XMLSpy, but that is my personal view. > >>> > >> ... tsts, don't know how this could happen, this info is years old and I > use > >> OXYGEN XML now. > >> I think I need a brain-organizing tool ;-) > >> > > > > XMLSpy has a free ( of charge ) version that can edit schemas. What about > OXYGEN > > XML ? > > > > -Fred > > > > > let me know if i'm wrong (don't kick me out from the list please, it's > really interesting reading you ;)), > maybe it could be interresting to use a more simple interface. the only > one I know is from te gnome project: GConf, maybe it could be rewrite a > little, to fit flightgear flights models, or any xml-managed system, > without using an external-heavy-nonGPL program. > > that is my newbie's point of view. I think the point of Torsten ( the OP ) was that if we have a XML schema, users are then free to use the tool they want. -Fred -- Frédéric Bouvier http://frfoto.free.fr Photo gallery - album photo http://www.fotolia.fr/p/2278 Other photo gallery http://fgsd.sourceforge.net/ FlightGear Scenery Designer --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid0944&bid$1720&dat1642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] XML Schema for YASim, or: a GUI to build YASim aircraft
Frederic Bouvier wrote: Quoting Torsten Dreyer : My favorite editor is XMLSpy, but that is my personal view. ... tsts, don't know how this could happen, this info is years old and I use OXYGEN XML now. I think I need a brain-organizing tool ;-) XMLSpy has a free ( of charge ) version that can edit schemas. What about OXYGEN XML ? -Fred let me know if i'm wrong (don't kick me out from the list please, it's really interesting reading you ;)), maybe it could be interresting to use a more simple interface. the only one I know is from te gnome project: GConf, maybe it could be rewrite a little, to fit flightgear flights models, or any xml-managed system, without using an external-heavy-nonGPL program. that is my newbie's point of view. regards, seb --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] XML Schema for YASim, or: a GUI to build YASim aircraft
Quoting Torsten Dreyer : > > My favorite editor is XMLSpy, but that is my personal view. > ... tsts, don't know how this could happen, this info is years old and I use > OXYGEN XML now. > I think I need a brain-organizing tool ;-) XMLSpy has a free ( of charge ) version that can edit schemas. What about OXYGEN XML ? -Fred -- Frédéric Bouvier http://frfoto.free.fr Photo gallery - album photo http://www.fotolia.fr/p/2278 Other photo gallery http://fgsd.sourceforge.net/ FlightGear Scenery Designer --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid0944&bid$1720&dat1642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] XML Schema for YASim, or: a GUI to build YASim aircraft
> My favorite editor is XMLSpy, but that is my personal view. ... tsts, don't know how this could happen, this info is years old and I use OXYGEN XML now. I think I need a brain-organizing tool ;-) --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] XML Schema for YASim, or: a GUI to build YASim aircraft
On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 15:34:37 +0200 Torsten Dreyer wrote: > > Hi, > > inspired by the XML Schema delivered with JSBSim, I started to write on > for YASim (and I have in mind to create one for the other config files, > too). > > First, for those who do not know what the hack is a XML schema and what > do I need it for? [ Excellent explanation + image references skipped ] Torsten, this was really good. Perhaps worth putting on the wiki? -c -- Chris Metzler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove "snip-me." to email) "As a child I understood how to give; I have forgotten this grace since I have become civilized." - Chief Luther Standing Bear signature.asc Description: PGP signature
RE: [Flightgear-devel] XML Schema for YASim, or: a GUI to build YASim aircraft
> Hi, > > inspired by the XML Schema delivered with JSBSim, I started to > write on for YASim (and I have in mind to create one for the > other config files, too). Bravo! I think this is a great idea. > First, for those who do not know what the hack is a XML schema > and what do I need it for? FYI, the most recent issue of the JSBSim newsletter has some more information on schemas and transformations. For those interested, I'd also suggest the O'Reilly books, "XML Schema" and "XSLT Cookbook". The first JSBSim XML specification played a part in inspiring the emerging AIAA standard, development of which is being lead by Bruce Hildreth and Bruce Jackson (LaRCSim author). It is currently called DAVE-ML and there is a web site at daveml.nasa.gov. Given that emerging standard, the newest version of JSBSim features a revamped XML specification, and that format is being called JSBSim-ML v2.0 (JSBSim Markup Language). XML technologies provide a lot of useful capabilities across the board for flight simulation (as with other areas) from error checking to documentation and more. A YASim-ML would be another good addition to flightgear. Jon --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] XML Schema for YASim, or: a GUI to build YASim aircraft
Hi, inspired by the XML Schema delivered with JSBSim, I started to write on for YASim (and I have in mind to create one for the other config files, too). First, for those who do not know what the hack is a XML schema and what do I need it for? A schema is some kind of a formal description of the structure a xml-file should/could/must have. There are parsers, that can validate a xml-file against a schema file and tell you, if your creation is valid or not and what is wrong with it. Sounds boring, but: it is very interesting, if you use a schema capable xml-editor (vi and notepad are not, sorry). With the help of the xml-schema you can edit xml-files with all the goodies you know from modern IDE, like detecting syntax errors while you type, drop-down lists of valid choises of elements, context-help items and so on. It prevent you from putting things into wrong places e.g. if you try to put a under a element or assign a "capacity" attribute to a element. It also does some nice "pretty-printing", indenting, auto-closing tags etc. etc. My favorite editor is XMLSpy, but that is my personal view. To build the schema, I merged the README.yasim and the information I got from the YASim-sourcecode from cvs. Almost all documentation in the schema is copy-and-pasted from the README.yasim. Here are some screenshots while working on a file using XMLSpy: (sorry, the mouse-pointer and the text-carret are not visible) http://www.t3r.de/fg/XMLSchema/XMLSchema1.jpg This is while hovering the cursor over the "chord" attribute of a element, while the caret is on the "incidence" attribute. You see the balloon help for the "chord" attribute in yellow and the description of the "incidence" attribute in the lower right corner. In the upper right, you see the "model" of the element, what attributes are allowed and what elements may be contained. http://www.t3r.de/fg/XMLSchema/XMLSchema2.jpg This one shows a complaint about a type in the "compression" attribute of a element. I typed "zero comma one" instead of the correct "zero point one". Compression is defined as a float-value (see upper right corner) so a comma is invalid. http://www.t3r.de/fg/XMLSchema/XMLSchema3.jpg Here I add an element to the tag. After typing the opening <, a dropdownlist with the valid elements appear together with a short help for the tag. http://www.t3r.de/fg/XMLSchema/XMLSchema4.jpg I selected the tag and because "idx" and "weight" are declared as "mandatory, they automatically appear in the editor. The tag is still marked bad, because the values of the attributes are invalid. This is just a little teaser, not a complete howto about editing xml files, so I stop here. The schema is downloadable here: http://www.t3r.de/fg/XMLSchema/YASim.xsd a documentation of the schema is here (boring mashine-generated stuff): http://www.t3r.de/fg/XMLSchema/docs/YASim/YASim.xsd.html and a tarball of the schema with the documentation is here: http://www.t3r.de/fg/XMLSchema/YASim-schema-0.1.tar.gz Thanks for reading this long post. Torsten --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=110944&bid=241720&dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
