[Flightgear-devel] reviews etc.
English: http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/flightgear http://www.tectonic.co.za/cooltool.php?coolid=1166 German: http://games4mac.de/content_g4m/reviews/flightgear.php Weird: http://cgi.ebay.com/FLIGHTGEAR-2006-PROFESSIONAL-AVIATION-FLIGHT-SIMULATOR_W0QQitemZ160036333084QQcmdZViewItem m. - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] reviews etc.
On Tuesday 17 October 2006 18:23, Melchior FRANZ wrote: [snip...] > Weird: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/FLIGHTGEAR-2006-PROFESSIONAL-AVIATION-FLIG >HT-SIMULATOR_W0QQitemZ160036333084QQcmdZViewItem > > m. It is actually FlightGear - this person appears to have re-packaged FG i.e. basic system with most of the more complete aircraft included i.e. Boeing 737-300 Cessna 172 Cessna 310 F-16 Hawker Hunter Messerschmitt BF-109 Piper J-3 Cub Piper Cherokee Warrior II P-51D Mustang Rascal 110 Northrop T-38 1903 Wright Flyer Then there's a separate disk of the remaining aircraft from the FG downloads page and several disks of scenery. One of the screen shots show the old photographic texture for KSJC and I also noticed that FlightGear 2006 Professional is "Designed for Windows 95/98/NT/2000/ME/XP Operating Systems" I found no mention that this stuff is covered by the GPL or if the source-code is included/available, which I believe is a requirement of the GPL. LeeE - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] reviews etc.
Melchior FRANZ wrote: > English: > http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/flightgear I particularly like this one and it's worth mentioning on the frontpage IMHO. Erik -- http://www.ehtw.info (Dutch)Future of Enschede Airport Twente http://www.ehofman.com/fgfs FlightGear Flight Simulator - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] reviews etc.
On 10/18/06, Erik Hofman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Melchior FRANZ wrote:> English:> http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/flightgearI particularly like this one and it's worth mentioning on the frontpage IMHO.Sounds like a good idea to me ...Curt. -- Curtis Olson - University of Minnesota - FlightGear Projecthttp://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ http://www.flightgear.orgUnique text: 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] reviews etc.
Lee Elliott wrote: > Melchior FRANZ wrote: > > Weird: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/FLIGHTGEAR-2006-PROFESSIONAL-AVIATION-FLIGHT-SIMULATOR_W0QQitemZ160036333084QQcmdZViewItem > > It is actually FlightGear - this person appears to have > re-packaged FG i.e. basic system with most of the more complete > aircraft included i.e. > > I found no mention that this stuff is covered by the GPL or if > the source-code is included/available, which I believe is a > requirement of the GPL. This subject came up on IRC a few days ago. I sent the guy a nice email explaining the requirements, and pointing out that the easiest way to do this is to explain in the auction that this is an open source project hosted at www.flightgear.org. He replied that he already includes the source code and GPL in the package, but that he would be happy to add a flightgear.org link to the auction. I haven't gone back to check. There's actually nothing wrong with selling free software for money, so he's basically fine. It's just slightly misleading to do so without explaining that it is also freely available. Andy - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] reviews etc.
On Wednesday 18 October 2006 22:27, Andy Ross wrote: > Lee Elliott wrote: > > Melchior FRANZ wrote: > > > Weird: > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/FLIGHTGEAR-2006-PROFESSIONAL-AVIATION > > >-FLIGHT-SIMULATOR_W0QQitemZ160036333084QQcmdZViewItem > > > > It is actually FlightGear - this person appears to have > > re-packaged FG i.e. basic system with most of the more > > complete aircraft included i.e. > > > > I found no mention that this stuff is covered by the GPL or > > if the source-code is included/available, which I believe > > is a requirement of the GPL. > > This subject came up on IRC a few days ago. I sent the guy a > nice email explaining the requirements, and pointing out that > the easiest way to do this is to explain in the auction that > this is an open source project hosted at www.flightgear.org. > > He replied that he already includes the source code and GPL in > the package, but that he would be happy to add a > flightgear.org link to the auction. I haven't gone back to > check. > > There's actually nothing wrong with selling free software for > money, so he's basically fine. It's just slightly misleading > to do so without explaining that it is also freely available. > > Andy If he's complying with the GPL by including the source and a copy of the GPL then, as you say, he's perfectly entitled to sell it. It was because the of way and style that he presented the packages that made me a bit suspicious. Also, I'm not so sure about re-naming it "FlightGear 2006 Professional" As FG is still at version 0.9 and the consensus of the developers seems to be that FG isn't ready for a Vn 1.0 release yet, having someone selling it as the 'latest' professional version might not do the project's reputation any good. Personally, it doesn't bother me too much as I just use FG to experiment and play with, and then offer whatever results I come up with to the project, to do with as it pleases. The only thing that slightly bothers me about someone passing off any of my work as part of a "FlightGear 2006 Professional" package is that I don't consider any of my work to be of commercial quality and I wouldn't want anyone else to think that I did so. LeeE - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] reviews etc.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lee Elliott wrote: > The only > thing that slightly bothers me about someone passing off any of > my work as part of a "FlightGear 2006 Professional" package is > that I don't consider any of my work to be of commercial quality > and I wouldn't want anyone else to think that I did so. "Commercial quality" is overrated... Nine -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFOHFa1QuEJQQMVrgRAtmEAJ4ry3jkTHE/4kagz557QQ9BAPA2YACfWft9 SucLCY2WdNqzBQGRTuaVRsk= =2f2/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] reviews etc.
> From: Andy Ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > There's actually nothing wrong with selling free software for money, > so he's basically fine. It's just slightly misleading to do so > without explaining that it is also freely available. > The first statement there is not exactly true. Take another look at the GPL. At the prices he is charging for "shipping and handling" it'd be fair to call that a legitimate distribution fee. But for the bid price, there is no statement by the seller offering a period of support, so it is fair to say that he is in fact violating the letter and spirit of GPL. Apparently the ad is a little misleading in several ways. It is sad to see everyone's work, especially my own (as insignificant as it may be in the scheme of things), exploited by someone who is obviously trying to use little white lies to over represent the product to his or her customers. I guess you can call me naive, but this reseller sucks big time in my book. Best, Jim -- Jim Wilson Kelco Industries PO Box 160 Milbridge, ME 04658 207-546-7989 - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] reviews etc.
Jim Wilson wrote: > Andy Ross wrote: > > There's actually nothing wrong with selling free software for money, > > The first statement there is not exactly true. Take another look at > the GPL. At the prices he is charging for "shipping and handling" > it'd be fair to call that a legitimate distribution fee. No, it's correct. The second paragraph of section 1 of the GPL v.2 reads quite plainly: You may charge a fee for the physical act of transferring a copy There is no limitation placed on what that "fee" is, it could be anything. Obviously it is limited to a fee for a service, as the GPL precludes selling a "license" or other IP rights. But there is no requirement here that the fee be "legitimate". A fee is a fee, it's a price that someone charges for something, and the seller gets to set the price subject only to market demand. What I think you are confusing it with is this language from section 3b: You may copy and distribute the Program [...] in object code or executable form [...] provided that you also [...] b) Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code But that languages is specifically for *compiled* distributions. You can sell it for whatever you want, but *if* you sell it without the source code, you need to make sure that the user can get the source code easily and cheaply. In this case, the guy says the source code is in the package. Really, there is nothing legally wrong with what this guy is doing, and the only ethical glitch is the ambiguity of not identifying it as GPL software in the advertisement (which he said he'd fix). I guess I fail to understand why so many people get upset about this sort of thing. If there was significant money to be made selling free software, wouldn't we all be, y'know, making some? :) Give him a break; I can all but promise you he's not getting rich on our work. Think of it as evangelism: distributing FlightGear to people (and there are many!) who aren't comfortable with or capable of downloading (or even discovering) giant software packages from the internet. Andy - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnk&kid=120709&bid=263057&dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
