Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC background chatter in CVS

2006-01-10 Thread George Patterson
On Tue, 2006-01-10 at 17:28 +, Martin Spott wrote:
> "Curtis L. Olson" wrote:
> 
> > Someone find out how much we are paying Fred, and then double it. :-)
> 
> We should invite him to a couple of free flights over nice looking
> terrain   ;-)
> 

Send Fred an invite to the next virtual fly-in. :-)
Any ideas for location?


Regards


George



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Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC background chatter in CVS

2006-01-10 Thread Curtis L. Olson

Christian Mayer wrote:


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If you ever come to visit Minnesota, I'll make sure you don't die of
thirst. :-)
   



Are your cooking skills that bad?
 



What I cook, I cook very well thank you. :-)  Unfortunately I don't know 
how to cook very many healthy day-to-day things so I went and got myself 
married.  Unfortunately, that only doubled my dining out costs which 
wasn't the intended outcome. :-)


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC background chatter in CVS

2006-01-10 Thread Christian Mayer
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> If you ever come to visit Minnesota, I'll make sure you don't die of
> thirst. :-)

Are your cooking skills that bad?

;)

CU,
Christian

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC background chatter in CVS

2006-01-10 Thread Curtis L. Olson

Martin Spott wrote:


"Curtis L. Olson" wrote:

 


Someone find out how much we are paying Fred, and then double it. :-)
   



We should invite him to a couple of free flights over nice looking
terrain   ;-)
 



Fred,

If you ever come to visit Minnesota, I'll make sure you don't die of 
thirst. :-)


Curt.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC background chatter in CVS

2006-01-10 Thread Martin Spott
"Curtis L. Olson" wrote:

> Someone find out how much we are paying Fred, and then double it. :-)

We should invite him to a couple of free flights over nice looking
terrain   ;-)

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC background chatter in CVS

2006-01-10 Thread Curtis L. Olson

Vivian Meazza wrote:


That fixed it - Fred does it again :-)

Thanks for some a nice enhancement.
 



Someone find out how much we are paying Fred, and then double it. :-)

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RE: [Flightgear-devel] ATC background chatter in CVS

2006-01-10 Thread Vivian Meazza
Curt

> Frederic Bouvier wrote:
> 
> >Quoting Vivian Meazza :
> >
> >
> >>Nice try - perfectly understandable transmissions here :-). It runs
> under
> >>Cygwin for a while, then fails with:
> >>
> >>next chatter in 37 seconds
> >>OpenAL error (AL_INVALID_VALUE): bind_source (alGenSources)
> >>Failed to generate audio source.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >It seems that alDeleteSources is only called when SGSoundSample::stop()
> is
> >called.
> >Not when the sample is deleted ( the destructor only do alDeleteBuffers
> in that
> >case ). I don't know if SGSoundSample::stop() is called in this case but
> this
> >could be a problem.
> >
> >
> 
> Interesting catch, thanks Fred.  I made a small change to fg_fx.cxx to
> call the stop() function first.  Perhaps that will cure the problem.
> 
> In looking at this, I notice that the current sound system shows signs
> of being migrated from plib and perhaps isn't written optimally for
> openal ...  At some point it might be worth getting an openal expert (or
> someone more familiar with openal than me) to take a pass through the
> code and see if there are places where things could be restructured or
> fixed up to reduce the chances of these sorts of problems.
> 

That fixed it - Fred does it again :-)

Thanks for some a nice enhancement.


Vivian



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Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC background chatter in CVS

2006-01-10 Thread Curtis L. Olson

John Wojnaroski wrote:


Hi Curt,

I don't have it running yet, just wondering; does the code contain any 
logic to filter the chatter based on radio frequency/location?


Sitting on the ramp, tuned to ground control, you should not be 
hearing calls to an ARTCC.  If your practicing VFR patterns at your 
local field, you should hear other VFR calls from the pattern, at 
FL310 you should hear calls between the Center and other A/C under 
positive control.


Perhaps some sort of ID tag(s) on the msg to specify type and other 
charateristics and then set the ATC chatter filter based on selected 
radio frequency and/or flight conditions.



Right now this is just dumb ear candy ... either always on or always 
off.  It makes sense to tie it to the actual tuned frequency, tie the 
volume to the volume knob (which is modeled at least on the default 
cessna) and do a few other fancy things.  But that was beyond the scope 
of my time available this past weekend.


Regards,

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC background chatter in CVS

2006-01-10 Thread John Wojnaroski

Hi Curt,

I don't have it running yet, just wondering; does the code contain any 
logic to filter the chatter based on radio frequency/location?


Sitting on the ramp, tuned to ground control, you should not be hearing 
calls to an ARTCC.  If your practicing VFR patterns at your local field, 
you should hear other VFR calls from the pattern, at FL310 you should 
hear calls between the Center and other A/C under positive control.


Perhaps some sort of ID tag(s) on the msg to specify type and other 
charateristics and then set the ATC chatter filter based on selected 
radio frequency and/or flight conditions.


Regards
John W.



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Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC background chatter in CVS

2006-01-10 Thread Curtis L. Olson

Frederic Bouvier wrote:


Quoting Vivian Meazza :
 


Nice try - perfectly understandable transmissions here :-). It runs under
Cygwin for a while, then fails with:

next chatter in 37 seconds
OpenAL error (AL_INVALID_VALUE): bind_source (alGenSources)
Failed to generate audio source.
   



It seems that alDeleteSources is only called when SGSoundSample::stop() is
called.
Not when the sample is deleted ( the destructor only do alDeleteBuffers in that
case ). I don't know if SGSoundSample::stop() is called in this case but this
could be a problem.
 



Interesting catch, thanks Fred.  I made a small change to fg_fx.cxx to 
call the stop() function first.  Perhaps that will cure the problem.


In looking at this, I notice that the current sound system shows signs 
of being migrated from plib and perhaps isn't written optimally for 
openal ...  At some point it might be worth getting an openal expert (or 
someone more familiar with openal than me) to take a pass through the 
code and see if there are places where things could be restructured or 
fixed up to reduce the chances of these sorts of problems.


Regards,

Curt.

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RE: [Flightgear-devel] ATC background chatter in CVS

2006-01-10 Thread Frederic Bouvier
Quoting Vivian Meazza :
> Nice try - perfectly understandable transmissions here :-). It runs under
> Cygwin for a while, then fails with:
>
> next chatter in 37 seconds
> OpenAL error (AL_INVALID_VALUE): bind_source (alGenSources)
> Failed to generate audio source.

It seems that alDeleteSources is only called when SGSoundSample::stop() is
called.
Not when the sample is deleted ( the destructor only do alDeleteBuffers in that
case ). I don't know if SGSoundSample::stop() is called in this case but this
could be a problem.

-Fred


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC background chatter in CVS

2006-01-10 Thread Georg Vollnhals

Curtis L. Olson schrieb:


Vivian Meazza wrote:

Nice try - perfectly understandable transmissions here :-). It runs 
under

Cygwin for a while, then fails with:

next chatter in 37 seconds
OpenAL error (AL_INVALID_VALUE): bind_source (alGenSources)
Failed to generate audio source.

 



I committed a fix yesterday evening.  That cures the one remaining 
problem that I was seeing.


Curt.


Hi Curtis,
I did a complete CVS rebuild some hours ago (when I tested whether your 
changes regarding the compile error works) and still having this 
described error (Cygwin).

Regards
Georg EDDW


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC background chatter in CVS

2006-01-10 Thread Curtis L. Olson

Vivian Meazza wrote:


Nice try - perfectly understandable transmissions here :-). It runs under
Cygwin for a while, then fails with:

next chatter in 37 seconds
OpenAL error (AL_INVALID_VALUE): bind_source (alGenSources)
Failed to generate audio source.

 



I committed a fix yesterday evening.  That cures the one remaining 
problem that I was seeing.


Curt.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC background chatter in CVS

2006-01-10 Thread Georg Vollnhals

Georg Vollnhals schrieb:


Vivian Meazza schrieb:

Nice try - perfectly understandable transmissions here :-). It runs 
under

Cygwin for a while, then fails with:

next chatter in 37 seconds
OpenAL error (AL_INVALID_VALUE): bind_source (alGenSources)
Failed to generate audio source.

Vivian


 


Hi Vivian, hi Curtis!
Ok, after a longer testflight (autopilot, I was not present) I also 
had these error messages (FG latest CVS compile, Cygwin) when 
returning to the PC. So I cannot say when ATC chatter broke, but I 
think it worked here longer than 10 minutes:


Error messages:



AND I HAVE TO ADD:

After 25 minutes running (with these error messages) FlightGear had a CTD!

Georg EDDW


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC background chatter in CVS

2006-01-10 Thread Georg Vollnhals

Vivian Meazza schrieb:


Nice try - perfectly understandable transmissions here :-). It runs under
Cygwin for a while, then fails with:

next chatter in 37 seconds
OpenAL error (AL_INVALID_VALUE): bind_source (alGenSources)
Failed to generate audio source.

Vivian


 


Hi Vivian, hi Curtis!
Ok, after a longer testflight (autopilot, I was not present) I also had 
these error messages (FG latest CVS compile, Cygwin) when returning to 
the PC. So I cannot say when ATC chatter broke, but I think it worked 
here longer than 10 minutes:


Error messages:


playing /fg-cvs/data/ATC/Chatter/UK / ukatc30.wav

next chatter in 32 seconds

OpenAL error (AL_ILLEGAL_COMMAND): set_pitch

update atc chatter ukatc31.wav

playing /fg-cvs/data/ATC/Chatter/UK / ukatc31.wav

next chatter in 32 seconds

>>
OpenAL error (AL_INVALID_VALUE): bind_source (alGenSources)

Failed to generate audio source.

update atc chatter ukatc32.wav

playing /fg-cvs/data/ATC/Chatter/UK / ukatc32.wav

next chatter in 39 seconds

OpenAL error (AL_INVALID_VALUE): bind_source (alGenSources)

Failed to generate audio source.

update atc chatter ukatc33.wav

playing /fg-cvs/data/ATC/Chatter/UK / ukatc33.wav

next chatter in 38 seconds

OpenAL error (AL_INVALID_VALUE): bind_source (alGenSources)

Failed to generate audio source.

...

Regards
Georg EDDW


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RE: [Flightgear-devel] ATC background chatter in CVS

2006-01-10 Thread Vivian Meazza
Curt

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:flightgear-
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of is L. Olson
> Sent: 09 January 2006 18:41
> To: FlightGear developers discussions
> Subject: [Flightgear-devel] ATC background chatter in CVS
> 
> I just committed a set of atc background chatter wav files to the base
> package in data/ATC/Chatter/UK
> 
> These are from around Heathrow.  I've set things up so it's relatively
> easy to drop additional sets from different areas in sibling directories.
> 
> So everything to hear background chatter in FlightGear is now committed
> to cvs.
> 
> After you update cvs from simgear/flightgear/flightgear-base and
> recompile, just run flightgear and select ATC Chatter from the "File" ->
> "Sound Configuration" dialog box.  Some of the files are louder/more
> understandable than others ... but it's background chatter and useless
> ear candy so you are better off not trying to understand and pay
> attention to what is really being said anyway.
> 
> But it's fun useless ear candy. :-)
> 

Nice try - perfectly understandable transmissions here :-). It runs under
Cygwin for a while, then fails with:

next chatter in 37 seconds
OpenAL error (AL_INVALID_VALUE): bind_source (alGenSources)
Failed to generate audio source.

Vivian



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Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC background chatter in CVS

2006-01-09 Thread Major A


> It might be fun to include some of the old classic ATC
> conversations:
> 
> http://www.avweb.com/cgi-bin/texis/scripts/avweb-search/search.html?query=short&publication=avflash&category=shortfinal
> http://www.businessballs.com/airtrafficcontrollersfunnyquotes.htm

It would be good fun to have an AI C150 circling near the location of
FGFS and say "Unknown airport with Cessna 150 circling overhead
... Identify yourself!" on UNICOM!

:)

  Andras


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] ATC background chatter in CVS

2006-01-09 Thread Curtis L. Olson

Dan Lyke wrote:


Curtis L. Olson writes:
 


But it's fun useless ear candy. :-)
   



It might be fun to include some of the old classic ATC
conversations:

http://www.avweb.com/cgi-bin/texis/scripts/avweb-search/search.html?query=short&publication=avflash&category=shortfinal
http://www.businessballs.com/airtrafficcontrollersfunnyquotes.htm
 



That would be pretty funny if someone could record them with a mix of 
voices and so they sounded authentic.


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