Re: [Flightgear-devel] FGCOM again, mixer mess

2008-01-24 Thread Holger Wirtz
Hi,

sorry, this mail was thaught directly for Csaba's mailbox and not for
the list...

HOlger

On Thu, Jan 24, 2008 at 10:17:50AM +0100, Holger Wirtz wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Fri, Nov 23, 2007 at 03:05:37PM +0100, Csaba Hal?sz wrote:
> [...]
> > I am onto it. Already got openal output working, input shouldn't be
> > any problem either. This will be all software, as AnMaster proposed.
> [...]
> 
> Just two questions: Have you ported the openal support for iaxclient to
> iaxclient2?
> Have you send a patch (iaxclient1/2) to the iaxclient developers?
> Perhaps they like to integrate the support for version 1 or 2? I can
> ask them if you like. Is your code stable or testing?
> 
> regards, Holger
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FGCOM again, mixer mess

2008-01-24 Thread Holger Wirtz
Hi,

On Fri, Nov 23, 2007 at 03:05:37PM +0100, Csaba Hal?sz wrote:
[...]
> I am onto it. Already got openal output working, input shouldn't be
> any problem either. This will be all software, as AnMaster proposed.
[...]

Just two questions: Have you ported the openal support for iaxclient to
iaxclient2?
Have you send a patch (iaxclient1/2) to the iaxclient developers?
Perhaps they like to integrate the support for version 1 or 2? I can
ask them if you like. Is your code stable or testing?

regards, Holger

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FGCOM again, mixer mess

2007-11-23 Thread Csaba Halász
On Nov 23, 2007 11:50 AM, Holger Wirtz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 23, 2007 at 11:42:42AM +0100, AnMaster wrote:
> > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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> >
> > There are quite a few reasons why fgcom shouldn't touch mixer settings:
> > 1) Changing/muting master prevents sound from applications like flightgear 
> > and
> > festival (flightgear got built in support for festival that I use) Even if 
> > there
> > is a reason to mute this, it isn't realistic, the engine sound isn't turned 
> > off
> > in a real airplane...
>
> Only the mic is muted - not the speakers. But for intercom you are
> right: I want that my partner can listen everythin I say so fgcom should
> not mute the mic but only the channel towards the radio.
>
> > 2) Why not do it in the software of fgcom. To mute: just stop listening.
>
> Yep - as I wrote yesterday: this must be coded inside iaxclient because the 
> complete audio layer is baught by iaxclient. Anyone who likes to do this?

I am onto it. Already got openal output working, input shouldn't be
any problem either. This will be all software, as AnMaster proposed.

-- 
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>
> Regards, Holger
>
>
> >
> > Holger Wirtz wrote:
> > > On Fri, Nov 23, 2007 at 11:17:46AM +0100, AnMaster wrote:
> > > [...]
> >  it would leave the mixer settings I use alone. I will wait for this 
> >  bug to get
> >  fixed before I try it again.
> > >>> I must say that I haven't tried the OSS version until now. I hope that I
> > >>> can do this at weekend. After all this may be a problem with iaxclient
> > >>> 1.x and/or 64 bit. For 32bit I will check this and post my results here.
> > >> Well I would prefer native ALSA support but as showed in earlier mail 
> > >> that
> > >> didn't even compile. FYI I use in kernel ALSA driver (emu10k1) for my 
> > >> card
> > >> (Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 07)). Also using OpenAL sounds like 
> > >> a good
> > >> alternative to me, it is cross platform and works well in my experience. 
> > >> Doesn't
> > >> flightgear itself use OpenAL?
> > >
> > > Yes I think so. But fgcom uses the VoIP backend iaxclient which does not
> > > support OpenAL until someone writes the code. For the most Linux-Users
> > > ALSA would be the right choice. But native ALSA may conflict with other
> > > applications (see the PTT key problem which Csaba find out).
> > >
> > Why would native ALSA conflict with other programs? If you mean mixer, 
> > either
> > use dmix or, if your sound card got one, hardware mixer. Set up your ALSA 
> > for that.
> >
> > However, what should one use on FreeBSD? I haven't yet got fgcom to work on 
> > my
> > FreeBSD system (FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p8 x86_64). OpenAL works just fine on 
> > it.
> >
> > For the PTT key problem, well I would rather use the MIC on/off button that 
> > is
> > on the cable to my headset anyway.
> >
> > > Yes - this is difficult to solve and we (I?) have to think about this
> > > more than twice the next days.
> > >
> > > Regards, Holger
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FGCOM again, mixer mess

2007-11-23 Thread Holger Wirtz
On Fri, Nov 23, 2007 at 12:23:22PM +0100, AnMaster wrote:
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> I tried the Portaudio ALSA one, it compiled, on running: muted master. Jack I
> don't have installed so I can't test that. And as stated before, native ALSA
> does not compile. If it can't even keep track of what channel is Master and 
> what
> one is MIC something is very broken...

I will check this on 32bit this weekend. Perhaps broken alsa or iaxclient
code on 64bit.

> The information I gave about what sound card in an earlier mail may be helpful
> for this. I can also upload some screenshots of kmix after and before FGCOM
> messing it up if you want.

I quite believe it but I am amazed that there is no one who told me
this problem and I think most of the other testers are 32bit users.

> Further, on last try with Portaudio ALSA:
[...]
> Segmentation fault
> 
> The seg fault was after a Shift-Space... Oh and as before it muted the wrong 
> stuff.

Same at my side. H it seems to be a problem with the iaxclient
interface - but I cannot say if my interpretation of usage is wrong or
something inside... I will check this.

Regards,Holger

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FGCOM again, mixer mess

2007-11-23 Thread AnMaster
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I tried the Portaudio ALSA one, it compiled, on running: muted master. Jack I
don't have installed so I can't test that. And as stated before, native ALSA
does not compile. If it can't even keep track of what channel is Master and what
one is MIC something is very broken...

The information I gave about what sound card in an earlier mail may be helpful
for this. I can also upload some screenshots of kmix after and before FGCOM
messing it up if you want.

Further, on last try with Portaudio ALSA:

./fgcom - a communication radio based on VoIP with IAX/Asterisk
(c)2007 by H. Wirtz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Version 1.1.0 build 42M
Using iaxclient library Version SVN 42M

Reading list of airports...done.
Initializing IAX client as :[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Selected frequency: 120.500
Airport San Francisco Intl (KSFO TWR at 120.500 MHz) is in range ( 2.2 km)
Call 0 accepted
KSFO San Francisco Intl 120.500 TWR
Call 0 answered
[SPEAK] unmute mic, mute speaker
[LISTEN] mute mic, unmute speaker
[SPEAK] unmute mic, mute speaker
[LISTEN] mute mic, unmute speaker
Airport San Francisco Intl (KSFO TWR at 120.500 MHz) is in range ( 2.2 km)
[SPEAK] unmute mic, mute speaker
[LISTEN] mute mic, unmute speaker
[SPEAK] unmute mic, mute speaker
[LISTEN] mute mic, unmute speaker
[SPEAK] unmute mic, mute speaker
[LISTEN] mute mic, unmute speaker
[SPEAK] unmute mic, mute speaker
[LISTEN] mute mic, unmute speaker
[SPEAK] unmute mic, mute speaker
[LISTEN] mute mic, unmute speaker
Radio-Select: NAV1
Selected frequency: 115.800
Hanging up call 0
Airport San Francisco Intl (KSFO ATIS at 115.800 MHz) is in range ( 2.2 km)
Airport San Francisco Intl (KSFO ATIS at 115.800 MHz) is in range ( 2.2 km)
No free call appearances
[LISTEN] mute mic, unmute speaker
Radio-Select: COM2
Selected frequency: 118.300
Segmentation fault

The seg fault was after a Shift-Space... Oh and as before it muted the wrong 
stuff.

Regards,

AnMaster

AnMaster wrote:
> Holger Wirtz wrote:
>> On Fri, Nov 23, 2007 at 11:42:42AM +0100, AnMaster wrote:
>> There are quite a few reasons why fgcom shouldn't touch mixer settings:
>> 1) Changing/muting master prevents sound from applications like flightgear 
>> and
>> festival (flightgear got built in support for festival that I use) Even if 
>> there
>> is a reason to mute this, it isn't realistic, the engine sound isn't turned 
>> off
>> in a real airplane...
> 
>>> Only the mic is muted - not the speakers. But for intercom you are
> Then OSS alternative is broken, it mutes the MASTER setting. And changes 
> volume
> of Master and Mic. It never mutes mic however. The ALSA one doesn't compile 
> and
> the portaudio one says something about "native 8000Hz for card" (something I 
> got
> no idea if I got).
>>> right: I want that my partner can listen everythin I say so fgcom should
>>> not mute the mic but only the channel towards the radio.
>> 2) Why not do it in the software of fgcom. To mute: just stop listening.
> 
>>> Yep - as I wrote yesterday: this must be coded inside iaxclient because the 
>>> complete audio layer is baught by iaxclient. Anyone who likes to do this?
>>> Regards, Holger
> 
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FGCOM again, mixer mess

2007-11-23 Thread AnMaster
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Holger Wirtz wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 23, 2007 at 11:42:42AM +0100, AnMaster wrote:
> There are quite a few reasons why fgcom shouldn't touch mixer settings:
> 1) Changing/muting master prevents sound from applications like flightgear and
> festival (flightgear got built in support for festival that I use) Even if 
> there
> is a reason to mute this, it isn't realistic, the engine sound isn't turned 
> off
> in a real airplane...
> 
>> Only the mic is muted - not the speakers. But for intercom you are
Then OSS alternative is broken, it mutes the MASTER setting. And changes volume
of Master and Mic. It never mutes mic however. The ALSA one doesn't compile and
the portaudio one says something about "native 8000Hz for card" (something I got
no idea if I got).
>> right: I want that my partner can listen everythin I say so fgcom should
>> not mute the mic but only the channel towards the radio.
> 
> 2) Why not do it in the software of fgcom. To mute: just stop listening.
> 
>> Yep - as I wrote yesterday: this must be coded inside iaxclient because the 
>> complete audio layer is baught by iaxclient. Anyone who likes to do this?
> 
>> Regards, Holger
> 

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FGCOM again, mixer mess

2007-11-23 Thread Holger Wirtz
On Fri, Nov 23, 2007 at 11:42:42AM +0100, AnMaster wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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> 
> There are quite a few reasons why fgcom shouldn't touch mixer settings:
> 1) Changing/muting master prevents sound from applications like flightgear and
> festival (flightgear got built in support for festival that I use) Even if 
> there
> is a reason to mute this, it isn't realistic, the engine sound isn't turned 
> off
> in a real airplane...

Only the mic is muted - not the speakers. But for intercom you are
right: I want that my partner can listen everythin I say so fgcom should
not mute the mic but only the channel towards the radio.

> 2) Why not do it in the software of fgcom. To mute: just stop listening.

Yep - as I wrote yesterday: this must be coded inside iaxclient because the 
complete audio layer is baught by iaxclient. Anyone who likes to do this?

Regards, Holger

> 
> Holger Wirtz wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 23, 2007 at 11:17:46AM +0100, AnMaster wrote:
> > [...]
>  it would leave the mixer settings I use alone. I will wait for this bug 
>  to get
>  fixed before I try it again.
> >>> I must say that I haven't tried the OSS version until now. I hope that I
> >>> can do this at weekend. After all this may be a problem with iaxclient
> >>> 1.x and/or 64 bit. For 32bit I will check this and post my results here.
> >> Well I would prefer native ALSA support but as showed in earlier mail that
> >> didn't even compile. FYI I use in kernel ALSA driver (emu10k1) for my card
> >> (Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 07)). Also using OpenAL sounds like a 
> >> good
> >> alternative to me, it is cross platform and works well in my experience. 
> >> Doesn't
> >> flightgear itself use OpenAL?
> > 
> > Yes I think so. But fgcom uses the VoIP backend iaxclient which does not
> > support OpenAL until someone writes the code. For the most Linux-Users
> > ALSA would be the right choice. But native ALSA may conflict with other
> > applications (see the PTT key problem which Csaba find out).
> > 
> Why would native ALSA conflict with other programs? If you mean mixer, either
> use dmix or, if your sound card got one, hardware mixer. Set up your ALSA for 
> that.
> 
> However, what should one use on FreeBSD? I haven't yet got fgcom to work on my
> FreeBSD system (FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p8 x86_64). OpenAL works just fine on it.
> 
> For the PTT key problem, well I would rather use the MIC on/off button that is
> on the cable to my headset anyway.
> 
> > Yes - this is difficult to solve and we (I?) have to think about this
> > more than twice the next days.
> > 
> > Regards, Holger
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FGCOM again, mixer mess

2007-11-23 Thread AnMaster
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There are quite a few reasons why fgcom shouldn't touch mixer settings:
1) Changing/muting master prevents sound from applications like flightgear and
festival (flightgear got built in support for festival that I use) Even if there
is a reason to mute this, it isn't realistic, the engine sound isn't turned off
in a real airplane...
2) Why not do it in the software of fgcom. To mute: just stop listening.

Holger Wirtz wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 23, 2007 at 11:17:46AM +0100, AnMaster wrote:
> [...]
 it would leave the mixer settings I use alone. I will wait for this bug to 
 get
 fixed before I try it again.
>>> I must say that I haven't tried the OSS version until now. I hope that I
>>> can do this at weekend. After all this may be a problem with iaxclient
>>> 1.x and/or 64 bit. For 32bit I will check this and post my results here.
>> Well I would prefer native ALSA support but as showed in earlier mail that
>> didn't even compile. FYI I use in kernel ALSA driver (emu10k1) for my card
>> (Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 07)). Also using OpenAL sounds like a 
>> good
>> alternative to me, it is cross platform and works well in my experience. 
>> Doesn't
>> flightgear itself use OpenAL?
> 
> Yes I think so. But fgcom uses the VoIP backend iaxclient which does not
> support OpenAL until someone writes the code. For the most Linux-Users
> ALSA would be the right choice. But native ALSA may conflict with other
> applications (see the PTT key problem which Csaba find out).
> 
Why would native ALSA conflict with other programs? If you mean mixer, either
use dmix or, if your sound card got one, hardware mixer. Set up your ALSA for 
that.

However, what should one use on FreeBSD? I haven't yet got fgcom to work on my
FreeBSD system (FreeBSD 6.2-RELEASE-p8 x86_64). OpenAL works just fine on it.

For the PTT key problem, well I would rather use the MIC on/off button that is
on the cable to my headset anyway.

> Yes - this is difficult to solve and we (I?) have to think about this
> more than twice the next days.
> 
> Regards, Holger
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FGCOM again, mixer mess

2007-11-23 Thread Holger Wirtz
On Fri, Nov 23, 2007 at 11:17:46AM +0100, AnMaster wrote:
[...]
> >> it would leave the mixer settings I use alone. I will wait for this bug to 
> >> get
> >> fixed before I try it again.
> > 
> > I must say that I haven't tried the OSS version until now. I hope that I
> > can do this at weekend. After all this may be a problem with iaxclient
> > 1.x and/or 64 bit. For 32bit I will check this and post my results here.
> Well I would prefer native ALSA support but as showed in earlier mail that
> didn't even compile. FYI I use in kernel ALSA driver (emu10k1) for my card
> (Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 07)). Also using OpenAL sounds like a 
> good
> alternative to me, it is cross platform and works well in my experience. 
> Doesn't
> flightgear itself use OpenAL?

Yes I think so. But fgcom uses the VoIP backend iaxclient which does not
support OpenAL until someone writes the code. For the most Linux-Users
ALSA would be the right choice. But native ALSA may conflict with other
applications (see the PTT key problem which Csaba find out).

Yes - this is difficult to solve and we (I?) have to think about this
more than twice the next days.

Regards, Holger
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FGCOM again, mixer mess

2007-11-23 Thread AnMaster
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Holger Wirtz wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 22, 2007 at 10:46:12PM +0100, AnMaster wrote:
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>> So I tried FGCOM with OSS emulation, at last it compiled with jester's patch 
>> at
>> http://pastebin.ca/794075. Now I tried it. Error. Ok, so I need to edit some
>> files it turns out after asking on IRC channel to change prefix (whatever
>> happened to ./configure --prefix? or cmake?).
> 
> Yep. This patch should be applied to iaxclient 2.x.
> 
>> After many errors at last I got it to run. The first things it does is 
>> messing
> 
> Congratulations!
> 
>> up the mixer settings I like by changing volume upwards almost causing my 
>> "ears
>> to burst". After that it turns the master off. What is the point in that? I 
>> wish
>> it would leave the mixer settings I use alone. I will wait for this bug to 
>> get
>> fixed before I try it again.
> 
> I must say that I haven't tried the OSS version until now. I hope that I
> can do this at weekend. After all this may be a problem with iaxclient
> 1.x and/or 64 bit. For 32bit I will check this and post my results here.
Well I would prefer native ALSA support but as showed in earlier mail that
didn't even compile. FYI I use in kernel ALSA driver (emu10k1) for my card
(Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 07)). Also using OpenAL sounds like a good
alternative to me, it is cross platform and works well in my experience. Doesn't
flightgear itself use OpenAL?

Regards,

AnMaster

> Regards, Holger
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] FGCOM again, mixer mess

2007-11-23 Thread Holger Wirtz
On Thu, Nov 22, 2007 at 10:46:12PM +0100, AnMaster wrote:
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> So I tried FGCOM with OSS emulation, at last it compiled with jester's patch 
> at
> http://pastebin.ca/794075. Now I tried it. Error. Ok, so I need to edit some
> files it turns out after asking on IRC channel to change prefix (whatever
> happened to ./configure --prefix? or cmake?).

Yep. This patch should be applied to iaxclient 2.x.

> After many errors at last I got it to run. The first things it does is messing

Congratulations!

> up the mixer settings I like by changing volume upwards almost causing my 
> "ears
> to burst". After that it turns the master off. What is the point in that? I 
> wish
> it would leave the mixer settings I use alone. I will wait for this bug to get
> fixed before I try it again.

I must say that I haven't tried the OSS version until now. I hope that I
can do this at weekend. After all this may be a problem with iaxclient
1.x and/or 64 bit. For 32bit I will check this and post my results here.

Regards, Holger
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