[fluent-nhib] Re: Any idea when new version (> 1.3.0.717) of NuGet package for FNH will be released
Desmond, I've always used the default "table-per-subclass" strategy, which worked perfectly for me in version 1.0. I just used pure Automapping - did not need to do *any* additional work to handle inheritance. I can't speak for table-per-hierarchy - sorry. However, there seems to be a problem with later versions - at least with my object model. Some deeply derived classes (i.e. 3 or 4 levels of inheritance) were not being Automapped properly. I eventually found a bug (reported as issue #113), and submitted a fix, but I don't believe this has been integrated into the main branch yet. Only one function changed, so it would be fairly easy for you to get the source and apply the fix yourself. If this does not help, suggest you post a question here and to Stack Overflow, with sample code and detailed description of what happens. -Tom On Jan 29, 7:54 am, Desmond Diong wrote: > "multiple levels of inheritance" > > I have spent quite a days trying to map that with table-per-hierarchy > and finally gave up on it at the moment. Would be interesting to know > how you tackle that. > > On 28 January 2012 04:17, tbushell wrote: > > > > > > > > > > >> hah, funny how things work: I tried automappings at first because it seemed > >> like it should 'just work' .. 'just working', though, requires much extra > >> side-work. > > > Interesting. > > > In my experience (limited to a single greenfield project, admittedly), > > everything mostly _does_ "just work"! > > > The only extra side-work I had to do was a couple of overrides to work > > around some bugs in FNH, which were quickly fixed in the next > > release. And this was for a reasonably complicated object model, with > > multiple levels of inheritance, multiple nested lists of other > > objects, etc. > > > I've always wondered why more people don't use it - mapping with code > > looks like a lot more work. > > > -Tom > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Fluent NHibernate" group. > > To post to this group, send email to fluent-nhibernate@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > fluent-nhibernate+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/fluent-nhibernate?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Fluent NHibernate" group. To post to this group, send email to fluent-nhibernate@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to fluent-nhibernate+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/fluent-nhibernate?hl=en.
Re: [fluent-nhib] Re: Any idea when new version (> 1.3.0.717) of NuGet package for FNH will be released
"multiple levels of inheritance" I have spent quite a days trying to map that with table-per-hierarchy and finally gave up on it at the moment. Would be interesting to know how you tackle that. On 28 January 2012 04:17, tbushell wrote: > >> hah, funny how things work: I tried automappings at first because it seemed >> like it should 'just work' .. 'just working', though, requires much extra >> side-work. > > Interesting. > > In my experience (limited to a single greenfield project, admittedly), > everything mostly _does_ "just work"! > > The only extra side-work I had to do was a couple of overrides to work > around some bugs in FNH, which were quickly fixed in the next > release. And this was for a reasonably complicated object model, with > multiple levels of inheritance, multiple nested lists of other > objects, etc. > > I've always wondered why more people don't use it - mapping with code > looks like a lot more work. > > -Tom > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Fluent NHibernate" group. > To post to this group, send email to fluent-nhibernate@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > fluent-nhibernate+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/fluent-nhibernate?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Fluent NHibernate" group. To post to this group, send email to fluent-nhibernate@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to fluent-nhibernate+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/fluent-nhibernate?hl=en.
[fluent-nhib] Re: Any idea when new version (> 1.3.0.717) of NuGet package for FNH will be released
> hah, funny how things work: I tried automappings at first because it seemed > like it should 'just work' .. 'just working', though, requires much extra > side-work. Interesting. In my experience (limited to a single greenfield project, admittedly), everything mostly _does_ "just work"! The only extra side-work I had to do was a couple of overrides to work around some bugs in FNH, which were quickly fixed in the next release. And this was for a reasonably complicated object model, with multiple levels of inheritance, multiple nested lists of other objects, etc. I've always wondered why more people don't use it - mapping with code looks like a lot more work. -Tom -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Fluent NHibernate" group. To post to this group, send email to fluent-nhibernate@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to fluent-nhibernate+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/fluent-nhibernate?hl=en.
[fluent-nhib] Re: Any idea when new version (> 1.3.0.717) of NuGet package for FNH will be released
James, Thanks for checking in, and congrats on your move to Oz. I've always wanted to visit there, and would be very interested to hear your impressions once you've settled in. > I'll try to put together some kind of official statement, That's probably a good idea, and might keep people from abandoning FNH because of perceived lack of support and improvements. > I don't have the time or desire right now to run the project at the pace I > have been doing for the past few years, but I also have no desire to let > the hard work of myself and others fall apart. Everything is still crazy > right now, but once I get settled again I do intend to pick things up. Very glad to hear that! Perhaps we as a group could take some of the load off you, and keep things moving forward. Speaking for myself, I've only fixed one bug (#113), and really don't understand the codebase. But I could probably help with things like documentation, testing, etc. Is there anything else you could suggest? -Tom Bushell -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Fluent NHibernate" group. To post to this group, send email to fluent-nhibernate@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to fluent-nhibernate+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/fluent-nhibernate?hl=en.
Re: [fluent-nhib] Re: Any idea when new version (> 1.3.0.717) of NuGet package for FNH will be released
I, for one, am a bit jealous of the move to Australia. You and your summers in my winters! ;-) the absence is understandable -- Joe Brockhaus joe.brockh...@gmail.com On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 5:20 AM, James Gregory wrote: > Sorry everyone for my absence. I've been largely neglecting FNH lately > primarily because I'm in the middle of a big life change; aka, I've moved > to the other side of the world, changed jobs, and everything else that > comes with that. > > I'll try to put together some kind of official statement, but it boils > down to this: > > Is FNH dead? No. > Is FNH neglected? Yes. > Will it remain so? Perhaps. > > I don't have the time or desire right now to run the project at the pace I > have been doing for the past few years, but I also have no desire to let > the hard work of myself and others fall apart. Everything is still crazy > right now, but once I get settled again I do intend to pick things up. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Fluent NHibernate" group. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/fluent-nhibernate/-/lUIOcEdvCq4J. > > To post to this group, send email to fluent-nhibernate@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > fluent-nhibernate+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/fluent-nhibernate?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Fluent NHibernate" group. To post to this group, send email to fluent-nhibernate@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to fluent-nhibernate+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/fluent-nhibernate?hl=en.
[fluent-nhib] Re: Any idea when new version (> 1.3.0.717) of NuGet package for FNH will be released
Sorry everyone for my absence. I've been largely neglecting FNH lately primarily because I'm in the middle of a big life change; aka, I've moved to the other side of the world, changed jobs, and everything else that comes with that. I'll try to put together some kind of official statement, but it boils down to this: Is FNH dead? No. Is FNH neglected? Yes. Will it remain so? Perhaps. I don't have the time or desire right now to run the project at the pace I have been doing for the past few years, but I also have no desire to let the hard work of myself and others fall apart. Everything is still crazy right now, but once I get settled again I do intend to pick things up. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Fluent NHibernate" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/fluent-nhibernate/-/lUIOcEdvCq4J. To post to this group, send email to fluent-nhibernate@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to fluent-nhibernate+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/fluent-nhibernate?hl=en.
Re: [fluent-nhib] Re: Any idea when new version (> 1.3.0.717) of NuGet package for FNH will be released
>> That seems to be the consensus in the FNH community. I can't comment, >> since I only use Automapping. hah, funny how things work: I tried automappings at first because it seemed like it should 'just work' .. 'just working', though, requires much extra side-work. so i just opted to KISS and do explicit mappings. i guess you could say i don't know what i'm missing =) >> Anyone heard from James Gregory recently, since his last post here in >> November 2011? nope, nothing since his holiday or maybe just briefly after his supposed return. it seems post approval was removed .. perhaps that's an indication of something? -- Joe Brockhaus joe.brockh...@gmail.com On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 3:37 PM, tbushell wrote: > > > I personally do not like the NH fluent mappings at all, and would rather > use FNH. > > That seems to be the consensus in the FNH community. I can't comment, > since I only use Automapping. > > > But I have no development time to allocate to FNH, and if it dies off I > can't do much about it. > > I'm in pretty much the same boat, except for submitting one bug fix, > and some minor improvements to the wiki documentation. > > Anyone heard from James Gregory recently, since his last post here in > November 2011? > > -Tom Bushell > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Fluent NHibernate" group. > To post to this group, send email to fluent-nhibernate@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > fluent-nhibernate+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/fluent-nhibernate?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Fluent NHibernate" group. To post to this group, send email to fluent-nhibernate@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to fluent-nhibernate+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/fluent-nhibernate?hl=en.
[fluent-nhib] Re: Any idea when new version (> 1.3.0.717) of NuGet package for FNH will be released
> I personally do not like the NH fluent mappings at all, and would rather use > FNH. That seems to be the consensus in the FNH community. I can't comment, since I only use Automapping. > But I have no development time to allocate to FNH, and if it dies off I can't > do much about it. I'm in pretty much the same boat, except for submitting one bug fix, and some minor improvements to the wiki documentation. Anyone heard from James Gregory recently, since his last post here in November 2011? -Tom Bushell -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Fluent NHibernate" group. To post to this group, send email to fluent-nhibernate@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to fluent-nhibernate+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/fluent-nhibernate?hl=en.
[fluent-nhib] Re: Any idea when new version (> 1.3.0.717) of NuGet package for FNH will be released
On Jan 25, 3:23 pm, Joe Brockhaus wrote: > i've wondered as well. I've been putting off upgrading my NH core and FNH > specifically for these reasons, despite having to come up with annoying > workarounds for issues fixed in later builds. I recently spent many, many days trying to upgrade from FNH 1.0 / NH 2.1.2 to FNH 1.3 / NH 3.2. It was a disaster - multiple undocumented breaking changes in NH, and at least one bug in FNH I had to fix (submitted to GitHub - issue #113). Posted questions here and to Stack Overflow - got almost zero response. Finally gave up in disgust and reverted to the old versions. > now that NH itself has code-first/fluent configuration ability .. are there > really features & functionality FNH offers that the NH core doesn't? The big one for me is FNH Automapping - I'm not aware of _any_ ORM - open source or commercial - that does anything remotely equivalent. I don't use FNH code-first myself, but most of the people who do say that the FNH approach is much better. -Tom Bushell -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Fluent NHibernate" group. To post to this group, send email to fluent-nhibernate@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to fluent-nhibernate+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/fluent-nhibernate?hl=en.
RE: [fluent-nhib] Re: Any idea when new version (> 1.3.0.717) of NuGet package for FNH will be released
Well if one wanted, one could preserve the FNH syntax and rebuild it on top of the existing metamodels. I personally do not like the NH fluent mappings at all, and would rather use FNH. But I have no development time to allocate to FNH, and if it dies off I can't do much about it. Anyone that has time would be well advised to send pull requests though :) Seb From: fluent-nhibernate@googlegroups.com [fluent-nhibernate@googlegroups.com] on behalf of Joe Brockhaus [joe.brockh...@gmail.com] Sent: 25 January 2012 20:23 To: fluent-nhibernate@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [fluent-nhib] Re: Any idea when new version (> 1.3.0.717) of NuGet package for FNH will be released i've wondered as well. I've been putting off upgrading my NH core and FNH specifically for these reasons, despite having to come up with annoying workarounds for issues fixed in later builds. and like you said it's been a process that has slowly congealed over the course of ~year. now that NH itself has code-first/fluent configuration ability .. are there really features & functionality FNH offers that the NH core doesn't? -- Joe Brockhaus joe.brockh...@gmail.com<mailto:joe.brockh...@gmail.com> -- On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 1:09 PM, tbushell mailto:tbush...@bic.com>> wrote: I'd like to know that too, and also - what's going on with the FNH project in general? There's been very little activity on GitHub recently, and it seems there's a lot less response to questions from "the community" then - say - a year ago. Don't mean to be alarmist, but I'm starting to worry that this terrific project may be dying. -Tom Bushell On Jan 24, 10:39 am, Cole W mailto:cole.wer...@gmail.com>> wrote: > There are a few updates that have been made after the NuGet package > version 1.3.0.717 was released that I'd like to have but I was just > wondering if a new package was in the works or when it might be > available. I could compile it from source but I'd rather not use a > 3rd party assembly outside of NuGet at this point. Thanks in advance. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Fluent NHibernate" group. To post to this group, send email to fluent-nhibernate@googlegroups.com<mailto:fluent-nhibernate@googlegroups.com>. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to fluent-nhibernate+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com<mailto:fluent-nhibernate%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/fluent-nhibernate?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Fluent NHibernate" group. To post to this group, send email to fluent-nhibernate@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to fluent-nhibernate+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/fluent-nhibernate?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Fluent NHibernate" group. To post to this group, send email to fluent-nhibernate@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to fluent-nhibernate+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/fluent-nhibernate?hl=en.
Re: [fluent-nhib] Re: Any idea when new version (> 1.3.0.717) of NuGet package for FNH will be released
i've wondered as well. I've been putting off upgrading my NH core and FNH specifically for these reasons, despite having to come up with annoying workarounds for issues fixed in later builds. and like you said it's been a process that has slowly congealed over the course of ~year. now that NH itself has code-first/fluent configuration ability .. are there really features & functionality FNH offers that the NH core doesn't? -- Joe Brockhaus joe.brockh...@gmail.com -- On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 1:09 PM, tbushell wrote: > I'd like to know that too, and also - what's going on with the FNH > project in general? > > There's been very little activity on GitHub recently, and it seems > there's a lot less response to questions from "the community" then - > say - a year ago. > > Don't mean to be alarmist, but I'm starting to worry that this > terrific project may be dying. > > -Tom Bushell > > On Jan 24, 10:39 am, Cole W wrote: > > There are a few updates that have been made after the NuGet package > > version 1.3.0.717 was released that I'd like to have but I was just > > wondering if a new package was in the works or when it might be > > available. I could compile it from source but I'd rather not use a > > 3rd party assembly outside of NuGet at this point. Thanks in advance. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Fluent NHibernate" group. > To post to this group, send email to fluent-nhibernate@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > fluent-nhibernate+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/fluent-nhibernate?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Fluent NHibernate" group. To post to this group, send email to fluent-nhibernate@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to fluent-nhibernate+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/fluent-nhibernate?hl=en.
[fluent-nhib] Re: Any idea when new version (> 1.3.0.717) of NuGet package for FNH will be released
I'd like to know that too, and also - what's going on with the FNH project in general? There's been very little activity on GitHub recently, and it seems there's a lot less response to questions from "the community" then - say - a year ago. Don't mean to be alarmist, but I'm starting to worry that this terrific project may be dying. -Tom Bushell On Jan 24, 10:39 am, Cole W wrote: > There are a few updates that have been made after the NuGet package > version 1.3.0.717 was released that I'd like to have but I was just > wondering if a new package was in the works or when it might be > available. I could compile it from source but I'd rather not use a > 3rd party assembly outside of NuGet at this point. Thanks in advance. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Fluent NHibernate" group. To post to this group, send email to fluent-nhibernate@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to fluent-nhibernate+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/fluent-nhibernate?hl=en.
