Re: FLUXLIST: Chubby Inbox
>> >> Sol >> >> PS To those of you who've ended up with chubby inboxes as a result of my >> being unusually vocal today...I apologise :-) > >I do so love a chubby inbox-- > Chubby Inbox was a taxi driver. He took me to the Fast Art show at the (old) Tate Gallery. Unfortunately I couldn't get in to the show as I had no Monet... >
Re: FLUXLIST: FluxListBox confession!
> > This weekend I finally had the time to splice the "True Confession" tape > > from the FluxListBox into a cassette. Ah.. found it. H.
Re: FLUXLIST: Vienna Actionists
Hi Alex, You wrote: >I know of a couple other examples of killing off animals in the name of art. Joe Coleman came to pulic noteriety by killing (and maybe eating live) mice ...< Thanks for these examples but they tend to be quite mild compared to the facts that the actionists were disembowelling sheep(or is it goats, sorry, it's one or the other)in front of their audience then smearing the entrails onto naked participants in the action . Interestingly though is the fact that some members of the art-viewing public do not take much persuading to perform cruel acts. Isn't this what the Actionists were also saying with their use of violent ritual, appealing to base human desires? >Bob Flanagan's work, from a long article on him in Artforum a couple years back, is an interesting mix of extreme masochism. < Yes, Alex I've seen the Re/Search book but upon browsing decided that I really wouldn't look at it that much if I bought it since whilst Bob Flanagan can endure huge amounts of pain due to a childhood of constant pain with his terminal illness I don't really like photos of extreme pain or pain itself especially those of genitals nailed to wood such as appear in the Re/Search book. Of course in some strange way there's one image of extreme pain that we do not really see the pain in. Just think how many places you see the image of christ crucified yet you never really think about it in terms of the experience of pain. At least I rarely do unless I'm trying to concentrate on the fact that the pain is ignored. From this perspective the Actionist work is perhaps a grand expression of suffering tied up with a contemplation of the christian church and perhaps the suffering under the Nazis since such things were very recent when the Actionists were working. But then isn't Buddha's first noble truth that all life is suffering. So there are themes of suffering within all religion..organised religion has strong ritual elements thus for Actionists to choose pre-christain rituals to replicate probably makes perfect sense for what they wished to do. But there are those Sadhus(Hindu) in India who flagellate themselves and walk round with spikes stuck in them. And don't people in some parts of the philipines actually crucify themselves during holy week. I managed to find a picture on the web http://tribungpinoy.simplenet.com/ronsoliman/faith11.html this is by a photojournalist called Ronald C. Soliman who made a photo document of these rituals see http://tribungpinoy.simplenet.com/ronsoliman/holyweek.html Alex wrote: >Overall, I don't think the VA artists were just trying to shock, but to somehow redifine their humaninty in what is an increasingly inhumane, mechanized world, < Do you think they defined themselves through cruelty? Their work in many ways seems close to sado-masochistic preoccupations, that's why I felt there were links to Flanagan's work. BTW there is a documentary film of Bob Flanagan's performances/life...I forget the title now as I saw it a while ago. One strange thing about the film was you see Bob being beaten by his partner and it's all so matter of fact, then she photographs the bruised skin...I tell you it's strange stuff. On the whole I find a lot of Body art incomprehensible but I think that's often because it's hard to get past the initial unpleasantness of certain actions especially if you're a little squeamish like myself. This doesn't mean I don't get anything from this kind of work it just means that I'm likely to feel a bit weird before I can actually start to contemplate the work. BTW - Carolee Schneemann's "Meat Joy" is I suppose an example of where Fluxus and the Vienna Actionists meet. I'm not really all that familiar with Schneemann's work so I don't know her most extreme. Any idea anyone? Okay, I'll stop here, thanks to Alex for providing good thought food. cheers, Sol.
FLUXLIST: Mo***ento removed
[In the following message replace *** with vimI had to do this as I have now reconfigured the list so that any message with mo***ento is now excluded] Hi all, I was saddened to see the nasty post from mo***ento in my inbox this morning and have thus acted to prevent mo***ento from posting to this list. Having checked the domain for this post, I see that mo***ento is in fact an Italian list. I looked around the site and found out that someone has been adding the mo***ento list as a member of other lists (one of which is of course Fluxlist). Anyway I hope that I've sorted out the problem. I hate to see this sort of thing. May I say to everyone that this sort of behaviour will never be tolerated on Fluxlist and ask that people do their best to ignore it and carry on posting as usual, especially Carol. I know these kind of things can be very upsetting. In a day and age when we have such wonderful communication technologies that allow us to make friends all over the world it is a shame that some people feel they have to use this communication power to be horrible. Hopefully we will not have a repeat of this kind of thing.in any case please be assured that we do what we can to prevent this sort of thing from occurring on Fluxlist. cheers, Sol
FLUXLIST: FW: DIY Virus
> it seems like it is a "product of fluxlist" > ceyda > > This is a "DIY" "Do It Yourself" virus: > I have unfortunately been very busy lately and haven't had the time to > write a virus. So please take a couple of minutes to do the following: > > 1- Please open Windows, > 2- Randomly delete 10 or 12 files (including a minimum of 3 system > files), > 3- Then send this e-mail on to everyone on your mailing list. > > Thank you for your co-operation. >
Re: FLUXLIST: Alternative Museum launches its new online arts journal
> "Bandwidth in the Context of Contemporary Art" --Catherine David She is nice, and "more bandwidth" was one of the topics of the "net.art" gang in Kassel some years ago..
FLUXLIST: reggae and the letter s
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FLUXLIST: Fwd: ANDY GOLDSWORTHY LIVE on www.eyestorm.com
in the email today...have always liked andy goldsworthy's nature stuff... >Subject: ANDY GOLDSWORTHY LIVE on www.eyestorm.com >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > ANDY GOLDSWORTHY LIVE on www.eyestorm.com > > In a move which exposes a major art project at the Barbican Centre to an > immediate world wide audience, online art innovators eyestorm will be > broadcasting Andy Goldsworthy's Snowballs in Summer live on the world > wide web. > > Visitors can watch three of the thirteen giant snowballs from > pre-millennium Scotland melt away on a midsummer's day in the city of > London and the reactions of passers-by as wood, stone, berries, Highland > cow hair and chalk are slowly exposed when the snow melts in the heat of > the city. > > View Andy Goldswothy's project Snowballs in Summer between June 21st - > 28th at: > http://www.eyestorm.com/events/goldsworthy?efluxnewsletter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.e-flux.com/special.php3?link=www.e-flux.com&name=+ > > > > > > > >. > > http://www.e-flux.com > > > > >To be removed from the e-flux mailing list write to [EMAIL PROTECTED], >please include the word "unsubscribe" in the subject field.
Re: FLUXLIST: Mo***ento removed
hi sol, my thanks to you and patricia and david and roger for your kind thoughts. patricia actually phoned me last evening! wow, wasn't that nice. be sure it would take more than some fool being nasty to chase me away from fluxlist. and sol how good that you could find the source and get rid of it. also i am pleased to have so much input about mail art; much has been posted for me and others to consider. you're a grand bunch of virtual friends and i enjoy all the things we have been able to do together and the inspiration fluxlist provides. love to all of you, carol :) carol starr taos, new mexico, usa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FLUXLIST: Todd Rundgren
I'm not sure what this means, but Todd Rundgren is performing live on CNBC (the financial channel) his new song, "I hate my freaking ISP." Really!!! Bests, PK
Re: FLUXLIST: Todd Rundgren
well . . . remember the Sex Pistols released a song on their new label attacking their previous one! (and i think quit that one also?) On Wed, 21 Jun 2000, Patricia wrote: > I'm not sure what this means, but Todd Rundgren is performing > live on CNBC (the financial channel) his new song, "I hate my > freaking ISP." Really!!! > > Bests, > PK > >
Re: FLUXLIST: FluxListBox confession!
> A Claes Oldenburger -- overstuffed, overpriced and tasteless. Why tasteless ? You dont have to buy it. H.
Re: FLUXLIST: Mo***ento removed
> horrible. Hopefully we will not have a repeat of this kind of thing.in > any case please be assured that we do what we can to prevent this sort of > thing from occurring on Fluxlist. Come down ;-) People on this list should be clever enough to ignore themselves what they dont like. But a list as listmember ? Hmm, what a fluxish idea. H.
FLUXLIST: Re: FLUXLIST-digest V1 #343
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Re: FLUXLIST: Todd Rundgren
Hi I once met a taxi driver called Todd Rundgren and he... oops, gotta go, someone at the door...
Re: FLUXLIST: Viva Conversation
High! (...) >"welcome[s] any form of participation that takes place within the broad >scope of our purpose and intent. >...We hope to build Fluxlist as a congenial place for everyone." Let's vote: Should all Darwinists leave the Fluxlist? Yes ;-) No :-( Hugh! aa
Re: FLUXLIST: Vienna Actionists
> >And don't people in some parts of the philipines actually crucify themselves >during holy week. If I remember correctly I think Chris Burden once crucified himself on the back of a Volkswagen Beetle.
Re: FLUXLIST: Mo***ento removed
On Wed, 21 Jun 2000, Sol Nte wrote: > I was saddened to see the nasty post from mo***ento in my inbox this morning > and have thus acted to prevent mo***ento from posting to this list. This is wrong. /:b
Re: FLUXLIST: Vienna Actionists
Yep he did that one, had a friend shoot him, walked through broken glass and had lots of fun experiences trying to electrocute himself. George Free wrote: If I remember correctly I think Chris Burden once crucified himself on the back of a Volkswagen Beetle. > > > >And don't people in some parts of the philipines actually crucify > themselves > >during holy week. >
Re: FLUXLIST: Mo***ento removed
Terrence writes;
wrong? He/she is some whacked dude posting personal and sexual degrading
comments. Every society has moderating filters. Protecting it's members' esteem
should be every lists' moderators priority. In the case of free speech societies'
freedoms unchecked can lead to degradation of the whole group. As far as I know
were not here to engage group therapy for sociopaths. Shut em out.
T.
the perkier lurker
{ brad brace } wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Jun 2000, Sol Nte wrote:
>
> > I was saddened to see the nasty post from mo***ento in my inbox this morning
> > and have thus acted to prevent mo***ento from posting to this list.
>
> This is wrong. /:b
Re: FLUXLIST: Mo***ento removed
> > horrible. Hopefully we will not have a repeat of this kind of thing.in > > any case please be assured that we do what we can to prevent this sort of > > thing from occurring on Fluxlist. > > Come down ;-) > > People on this list should be clever enough to ignore themselves what they > dont like. Wasnt Al Hansen, clean, clean, clean, once "accused" for being pornographic ? Clean museums. Marketing. Shit.
Re: FLUXLIST: FluxListBox confession!
> > A Claes Oldenburger -- overstuffed, overpriced and tasteless. > > Why tasteless ? Quiet days in Cliche.
RE: FLUXLIST: Mo***ento removed
> Hopefully we will not have a repeat of this kind of thing.in > > > any case please be assured that we do what we can to prevent this sort > of > > > thing from occurring on Fluxlist. > > > > Wasnt Al Hansen, clean, clean, clean, once "accused" for being > pornographic ? > > Clean museums. Marketing. Shit. > i didn't think "this kind/sort of thing" stands for pornography. does it?
