Re: FLUXLIST: accidental fluxlist and Dieter Roth
My favorite pieces, the one that reconciled me to the many others, which I had been amused by but didn't necessarily "get," were the tapestries, done in collaboration with weavers Wiener and Export. Also the fecund assemblages. One of a barroom with a "behind the scenes" backside. Another with a radio intriguingly tuned to a station reporting local current events, weather and traffic. Amazing how the organic pieces were so early, or perhaps the repeats and variations we see now are so "late." His influences on and by are palpable. There's a good flash of the exhibit at http://moma.org/exhibitions/2004/dieterroth/rothtime.html
Re: FLUXLIST: accidental fluxlist and crumpets
And, here, I thought a crompid was a fork in the road, best taken within an intersection. http://www.quinion.com/words/topicalwords/
FLUXLIST: re: ambrosia salad
a friend and i that go grocery shopping together have noticed the frequency of something called ambrosia salad (something completely foreign to my upbringing) offered in the deli..no one seems to purchase it, and it seems to vary in ingredients depending on the deli..there seems to be a clear distinction between those who use marshmallows or fruit cocktail in the cream and those who do not and use fresh fruit..i myself am too horrified by the sight to consider eating such a mixture..does anyone know why it is traditionally in the deli..and does anyone eat it? has anyone done any ambrosia salad art? Amy Baylaurel Casey __ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/
RE: FLUXLIST: ideas revisited (2nd attempt)
Thanks, Alan, That explains a lot but perhaps it was the cumulative criticism your letter unleashed that seemed harsh to me. Perhaps I should just say to Secret Fluxus, "I think you are doing a great job. Your points are well taken, but perhaps we have to let Fluxlist be what it is." -Don _ Watch LIVE baseball games on your computer with MLB.TV, included with MSN Premium! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200439ave/direct/01/
Re: FLUXLIST: I survived FLUXLIST and what is Fluxus?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >I am interested in the piece. Sorry the piece did not come throught the last time - here it is for anyone who is interested. Also Suse tell me more about this show, it sounds very interesting even if it did not happen this time. Owen As evidenced by the existence of this publication Fluxus is increasingly becoming the object of scholarly consideration. In the last ten years there have been an ever-increasing number of exhibitions, journal publications and even books on Fluxus. In light of this growing recognition and attention I would suggest that we should ask ourselves, "What is the nature of the information that we are gaining and at what expense is this knowledge being accrued?" It may seem peculiar to suggest that the acquisition of knowledge about Fluxus and the construction of a history of Fluxus is somehow detrimental, but I believe that this is often the case and I would therefore argue that we must consider not only the particulars through which a history of Fluxus might be developed but also what such a process does to our awareness/understanding of Fluxus or even to Fluxus itself. There are two principal concerns which should be addressed: the first is that many of the traditional accepted practices of history, art history, and cultural institutions such as museums, are directly in conflict with some of the basic attitudes that I feel lie behind many of the specific Fluxus works, events and productions. Second, I am inclined to argue that it is of greater value (in the loosest of terms) to gain a participatory knowing of Fluxus as a means to understanding its potentials than to discern, decipher and determine a fixed concrete knowledge of Fluxus through its history. This essay is not, however, intended to offer some countervailing truth to current or traditional practices, but rather it is a presentation of some of the concerns that are increasingly effecting my own ideas and emphasizes related to historical and philosophical considerations of Fluxus. Based on the belief that it is more enlightening (in the broadest of senses) to pursue an understanding of Fluxus, which requires a participation in it, than a knowledge of Fluxus, which traditionally assumes a critical or analytic distance from the object of knowledge, the basic tack that I am taking in this presentation is one of advocacy about the value of Fluxus (or what we have to learn from it). In general this advocacy is that of urging a shift from the search for knowledge as an objective pursuit of historical truth, to the active subjective search for interactive understanding. A principal aspect of the conflict between Fluxus and most historical methodologies is that the worldview associated with Fluxus is fundamentally connected to a rejection of the western tradition of the metaphysics of presence. This tradition consists of two interrelated biases: the privileging of the object (presence) over the act (absence) and the desire to explore and elaborate a pure, self-authenticating knowledge. As part of this logocentric bias art history is, at the present time, principally governed by the unwritten precept to trace the object under consideration back to its original context of production. The operational aspects of such a paradigm are principally structured around a view that the object in question is positioned in a evolutionary chain of events which the historian must trace back in order to read the intentions and conditions of the artist as the total and originary source of meaning or signification. The underlying essentialist rationale of this position further seeks to elaborate a coherent history of originality. To locate and determine internally consistent aspects of the object of consideration based on a general view of the nature of the world as comprised of conceptually and chronologically separable entities. But if one applies only these kinds of approaches and rationales to Fluxus the results are questionable because the Fluxus "project" exists in a direct, fundamental opposition to such assumptions. As I have argued elsewhere Fluxus is by nature anti-reductivist, for it does not seek the illumination of some end or fact but celebrates a participation in a non-hierarchal density of experience. In this way Fluxus does not refer to a style or even a procedure as such but to the presence of a total of social activities. The attempt to place Fluxus in history falls into the positivist (in the sense that human knowledge derives from systematic study) as well as historical trap of defining the presence of something by divining the presence of a core, whether it is of ideas, people or activities. To define Fluxus by traditional methods (to assign limits to nature of what is considered and consequently delimit its master codes) is to negate the value of such a definition. At issue then are the applicability of the means
Re: FLUXLIST: I survived FLUXLIST and what is Fluxus?
I am interested in the piece. Actually, though I am absolutely nobody, I gathered up a group of folks who have been influenced by fluxus and planned to hold an exhibition this month. Plans generally evolved into the mud over at Birdland where the event was to be held. It will be revived again in the future--meantime energies are being directed toward The Buttonwood Tree. www.buttonwood.org. PS ANYONE out there with an interest in site design is welcome to come up with a new site for The Buttonwood Tree--we are perhaps changing the name as we go through a process similar to mitosis--perhaps simply 'The Button'--someone is already designated to design otherparts such as NOMA, etc. - Original Message - From: "Owen Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 4:18 PM Subject: FLUXLIST: I survived FLUXLIST and what is Fluxus? > Wow! All I did was not check my email for a couple of days and the list exploded with a flurry of posts. As I read through them what struck me was regardless of the nature and direction - what has beeen generated is a really interesting series of > statements about fluxus, history, art, theory and the connections between them, so for a reader point of view thank you all. > > As some of you know I am currently editing a special issue of Visible Language on Fluxus, but not the usual historical stuff, more on fluxus as an ongoing aesthetic/cultural phenomena. I am planing/hopeing to include materials by artists who are not > necessarily fluxus in the historical sense but have been influenced by or see their work and iideas in relation to fluxus - so all the posted comments have been very interesting for me to read and I have quite enjoyed all the variety of issues and > statements. And in the end, I guess what it says to me is that fluxus is still alive, at least in relivance, otherwise not so many of you would feel the way you do, and that is a good thing. . . . > > I am also working on a piece for the issue that might be relivant to these discussions so I am sending it along. It is in rough draft format and I intend to expand it with more current practices/examples, but none-the-less I will include it here for > your consisderation, and if you are not interested please just ignore the rest of this post. > > Owen > > > Owen > >
Re: FLUXLIST: Re: Poetry
Has anyone found copies of the offending poems? I have heard many anti war poems from young poets--there are actually some quite good ones--I have heard a13 year old rant most articulately about the war. I wish more folks coulda oughta listen. - Original Message - From: "Josh Ronsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 9:46 AM Subject: FLUXLIST: Re: Poetry > >> > Hard lessons from poetry class: Speech is free unless it's critical > >> > By BILL HILL > >> > Daytona Beach - News-journalonline.com > >> > Last update: 15 May 2004 > >> > > >> > Bill Nevins, a New Mexico high school teacher and personal friend, was > >>fired > >> > last year and classes in poetry and the poetry club at Rio Rancho High > >> > School were permanently terminated. > > Digging around the Internet, the principal's name is Gary Tripp and his email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > The lawsuit brief can be found here: http://www1.law.ucla.edu/~volokh/blog_data/nevins.pdf > > Anyone disturbed by this should email Mr. Tripp. > > -Josh Ronsen > in Austin, Texas > > > > > > > Need a new email address that people can remember > Check out the new EudoraMail at > http://www.eudoramail.com >
Re: FLUXLIST: accidental fluxlist
Oddly therre is an anonymous Kufic script from 10th century which reads: "Deus, my beloved, behold dervish crump IT may be something in me. Lets grope with tea and crumpets sing coo coo to the pink strumpet" The Button Press >" Doush thou be lumpit, > Me olde dear crump > It maketh me slump > IN me glope wiv tea > An crumpet play lood > On the pink trumpet" > > A.1.Waste PAper Co. Ltd. > >
Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus Ideas & THANK YOU ALL
Suse Allison 8 Miles Avenue Middletown, CT 06457 do you have a website for your ship? typo=shop, do you have a website for teh shop? Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2004 1:40 PM Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus Ideas & THANK YOU ALL In a message dated 5/24/04 6:31:28 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (feel wanting tomention princess petal here and don't really know how, but she mattered somuch to lots of us)I inherited all petal's fluxus stuff-recently found a piece by Michael Leigh "Curios". I have a little fluxus altar set up to her in my antiques business in Monterey. I have some wonderful mail art postcards she did. If anyone is interested send me your snail mail and I will send you one. Dawg
FLUXLIST: I survived FLUXLIST and what is Fluxus?
Wow! All I did was not check my email for a couple of days and the list exploded with a flurry of posts. As I read through them what struck me was regardless of the nature and direction - what has beeen generated is a really interesting series of statements about fluxus, history, art, theory and the connections between them, so for a reader point of view thank you all. As some of you know I am currently editing a special issue of Visible Language on Fluxus, but not the usual historical stuff, more on fluxus as an ongoing aesthetic/cultural phenomena. I am planing/hopeing to include materials by artists who are not necessarily fluxus in the historical sense but have been influenced by or see their work and iideas in relation to fluxus - so all the posted comments have been very interesting for me to read and I have quite enjoyed all the variety of issues and statements. And in the end, I guess what it says to me is that fluxus is still alive, at least in relivance, otherwise not so many of you would feel the way you do, and that is a good thing. . . . I am also working on a piece for the issue that might be relivant to these discussions so I am sending it along. It is in rough draft format and I intend to expand it with more current practices/examples, but none-the-less I will include it here for your consisderation, and if you are not interested please just ignore the rest of this post. Owen Owen
RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus?
---Are the omlettes badger shaped? I only ask because I've just discovered a badger shaped notebook made especially for the National Trust( I think its made from recycled badger hair) and possibly they would buy the badger shaped omlettes from you for use as bathmats, coasters or doilies? Its worth thinking about. Anyway, the badger shaped notebook is yours, Badgergirl, if you want it? I don't know why I've kept hold of it for so long because the chances of me ever writing to a real badger are very slim. Michael badgergirl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hullo RS! > > Well, you know, all this "is you am or is you ain't > my fluxus" stuff bores me silly. Besides, I've been > spending a lot of time working with butter and eggs. > Now, I've got an entire room filled with omlettes > that I don't know what to do with. I'm thinking > insulation. Or possibly Ebay. Perhaps a bathmat. > > Also, I've just changed my email address, > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > and I've been trying to get majordomo to accept my > new application. Oh Mr. Bukoff... can you give us a > little help in this direction? > > And you, Roger Dodger? Are you well? > > Kiss Kiss > > Badgergirl > > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Roger Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: May 24, 2004 4:12 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? > > Hey Badger Girl > > With all the hoo ha going on I was only thinking > this morning - haven't > heard from badger girl for a while > > And here you are > > Hi! How's it going? > > > XXX > Roger > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of badgergirl > Sent: 24 May 2004 18:37 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? > > No, no! That goes down stairs Alone or in > pairs. > > BG > > -Original Message- > From: jonah hex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: May 23, 2004 8:23 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? > > I thought Fluxus was a slinky...or, um... > > > > > > > > Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html
Re: FLUXLIST: Fwd: Fw: poetry
---No but I remember Captain Video, an old Republic serial we used to watch avidly at Saturday Matinees in my youth. He used to wear his underpants outside his tights like a lot of those super heroes tend to do. WHy do they do that? Like most of those great old creaky republic serials they had no money for props or special effects and so most of the gadgets and spaceships etc. were made of that fluff that accumulates under the bed, spit, and cereal packets etc. Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 5/25/04 4:29:31 AM, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > Then to all students and faculty who did not share > his political opinions, > > > > the principal shouted: "Shut your faces." What > a wonderful lesson he > > gave > > > > those 3,000 students at the largest public > high school in New Mexico. In > > >his > > > > reminds me of Captain Underpants-anybody into him? > Thats what Madawg Jr. and > I read these days. I know Dieter Roth is cool but > cant compare to Captain > Underpants > Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html
Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus Ideas & THANK YOU ALL
---How strange because I don't even remember being in contact with Princess Petal but maybe she got the Curios Thing from a third party. Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > In a message dated 5/24/04 6:31:28 PM, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > > (feel wanting to > > mention princess petal here and don't really know > how, but she mattered so > > much to lots of us) > > > > I inherited all petal's fluxus stuff-recently found > a piece by Michael Leigh > "Curios". I have a little fluxus altar set up to her > in my antiques business > in Monterey. I have some wonderful mail art > postcards she did. If anyone is > interested send me your snail mail and I will send > you one. Dawg > Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html
Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus Ideas & THANK YOU ALL
Sure! Send me one to: John M. Bennett 137 Leland Ave. Columbus, OH 43214 USA Thanks - John At 01:40 PM 5/25/2004 -0400, you wrote: In a message dated 5/24/04 6:31:28 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (feel wanting to mention princess petal here and don't really know how, but she mattered so much to lots of us) I inherited all petal's fluxus stuff-recently found a piece by Michael Leigh "Curios". I have a little fluxus altar set up to her in my antiques business in Monterey. I have some wonderful mail art postcards she did. If anyone is interested send me your snail mail and I will send you one. Dawg __ Dr. John M. Bennett Curator, Avant Writing Collection Rare Books & Manuscripts Library The Ohio State University Libraries 1858 Neil Av Mall Columbus, OH 43210 USA (614) 292-3029 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.johnmbennett.net ___
Re: FLUXLIST: Fwd: Fw: poetry
In a message dated 5/25/04 4:29:31 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Then to all students and faculty who did not share his political opinions, > > the principal shouted: "Shut your faces." What a wonderful lesson he gave > > those 3,000 students at the largest public high school in New Mexico. In >his reminds me of Captain Underpants-anybody into him? Thats what Madawg Jr. and I read these days. I know Dieter Roth is cool but cant compare to Captain Underpants
Re: FLUXLIST: Fluxus Ideas & THANK YOU ALL
In a message dated 5/24/04 6:31:28 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (feel wanting to mention princess petal here and don't really know how, but she mattered so much to lots of us) I inherited all petal's fluxus stuff-recently found a piece by Michael Leigh "Curios". I have a little fluxus altar set up to her in my antiques business in Monterey. I have some wonderful mail art postcards she did. If anyone is interested send me your snail mail and I will send you one. Dawg
RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus?
How about sewing all those omlettes together to make a suit? John At 12:35 PM 5/25/2004 -0400, you wrote: Hullo RS! Well, you know, all this "is you am or is you ain't my fluxus" stuff bores me silly. Besides, I've been spending a lot of time working with butter and eggs. Now, I've got an entire room filled with omlettes that I don't know what to do with. I'm thinking insulation. Or possibly Ebay. Perhaps a bathmat. Also, I've just changed my email address, [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I've been trying to get majordomo to accept my new application. Oh Mr. Bukoff... can you give us a little help in this direction? And you, Roger Dodger? Are you well? Kiss Kiss Badgergirl -Original Message- From: Roger Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: May 24, 2004 4:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? Hey Badger Girl With all the hoo ha going on I was only thinking this morning - haven't heard from badger girl for a while And here you are Hi! How's it going? XXX Roger -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of badgergirl Sent: 24 May 2004 18:37 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? No, no! That goes down stairs Alone or in pairs. BG -Original Message- From: jonah hex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: May 23, 2004 8:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? I thought Fluxus was a slinky...or, um... __ Dr. John M. Bennett Curator, Avant Writing Collection Rare Books & Manuscripts Library The Ohio State University Libraries 1858 Neil Av Mall Columbus, OH 43210 USA (614) 292-3029 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.johnmbennett.net ___
RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus?
Hullo RS! Well, you know, all this "is you am or is you ain't my fluxus" stuff bores me silly. Besides, I've been spending a lot of time working with butter and eggs. Now, I've got an entire room filled with omlettes that I don't know what to do with. I'm thinking insulation. Or possibly Ebay. Perhaps a bathmat. Also, I've just changed my email address, [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I've been trying to get majordomo to accept my new application. Oh Mr. Bukoff... can you give us a little help in this direction? And you, Roger Dodger? Are you well? Kiss Kiss Badgergirl -Original Message- From: Roger Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: May 24, 2004 4:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? Hey Badger Girl With all the hoo ha going on I was only thinking this morning - haven't heard from badger girl for a while And here you are Hi! How's it going? XXX Roger -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of badgergirl Sent: 24 May 2004 18:37 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? No, no! That goes down stairs Alone or in pairs. BG -Original Message- From: jonah hex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: May 23, 2004 8:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: what is Fluxus? I thought Fluxus was a slinky...or, um...
FLUXLIST: Re: Poetry
>> > Hard lessons from poetry class: Speech is free unless it's critical >> > By BILL HILL >> > Daytona Beach - News-journalonline.com >> > Last update: 15 May 2004 >> > >> > Bill Nevins, a New Mexico high school teacher and personal friend, was >>fired >> > last year and classes in poetry and the poetry club at Rio Rancho High >> > School were permanently terminated. Digging around the Internet, the principal's name is Gary Tripp and his email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] The lawsuit brief can be found here: http://www1.law.ucla.edu/~volokh/blog_data/nevins.pdf Anyone disturbed by this should email Mr. Tripp. -Josh Ronsen in Austin, Texas Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com
FLUXLIST: Gash
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FLUXLIST: Him
Him mih rednal sknird gun milk or lunch nug craving rof eht tlas bring wheedled milk salt arf gnivarc room double ,gnirb eht deldeehw fra smoke ,business soot ,elbuod drinks enihs ry nug evah a ekoms .lobster throne ,bubbled pants ,smoke a deidoolb gur .spot tops. rug bloodied a ekoms stnap belbbub, enorht retsbol. smoke a have gun yr shine sknird double, toos ssenisub, ekoms arf wheedled the bring, elbuod moor craving fra tlas klim deldeehw gnirb salt the for gnivarc gun hcnul ro klim nug drinks lander him John M. Bennett __ Dr. John M. Bennett Curator, Avant Writing Collection Rare Books & Manuscripts Library The Ohio State University Libraries 1858 Neil Av Mall Columbus, OH 43210 USA (614) 292-3029 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.johnmbennett.net ___
RE: FLUXLIST: accidental fluxlist and crumpets
---Sorry, you are wrong in several parts, notably the word "croompit" in the 13th century was infact a lowly dwelling place for itinerant "croom" sharpeners - this being the pointed end of ruddish stick used in pea foddling ceremonies about that time. The "talleth phoon" was actually a very tall spoon for scooping dead earwigs from the tops of beehives and elaborate hair-do's of that time. Please try and get your facts right in future. Michael Roger Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Michael, I have to take issue with you there. > Norbeth Winkfartle, the > 13th Century German etymologist and wood shavings > reconstructionalist > quotes this verse by Gertrude Nqzthmmprtzzfjp, the > unpronounceable > acupuncturist and chronicler to the court of King > Stupid the Peddler > dated 11th century - > > Wan thet croompit with his talleth phoon > Be set with tea and a pinke tromboone > > Not only an earlier mention of tea and crumpets but > also the first ever > reference to the telephone. > > Hope this clears it up. > > Roger > > ---The phrase "tea and crumpets" was I believe, > first > mentioned in the ancient Book of Crump back in the > 12th century by the sage and onion gatherer poet > WIlhem de Marmalude. IN a strange dialect only known > to himself and few followers he thus describes his > first meeting with FHartley Forfesters- the Treacle > bearer. >" Doush thou be lumpit, > Me olde dear crump > It maketh me slump > IN me glope wiv tea > An crumpet play lood > On the pink trumpet" > > A.1.Waste PAper Co. Ltd. > > > Kathy Forer wrote: > > > > Does anyone know the origin of the phrase "tea and > > crumpets"? > > > > > Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" > your friends today! Download Messenger Now > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html > > > > Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html
Re: FLUXLIST: secret & public fluxus: theoretical/historical/practical notes & questions
Fascinating, David - FYI, George Meyers Jr. for some years now has been an editor at the Columbus Dispatch, the major paper here. I haven't seen any sign that he's doing anything with visual poetry any more, but back in the 1980's he did quite a bit. John At 06:19 PM 5/24/2004 -0500, you wrote: dear fiiends and fello workers in community/communication--secret and unsecret-- to bring up some things perhaps of interest-- i have just been rereading a book wd highlly recommend: ALPHABETS SUBLIME Contemporary Artists on Collage and Visual Literature dited by George Myers Jr. (Washington D.C.: Paycock Press, 1986) Among those interviewed in the book are current fluxlisters Joel Lipman and John M. Bennett-- others of interest for fluxus/fluxlist are Alsion Knowles, BernPorter, Doris Cross, Carolee Schneeman, and a host of other fascinating artists/visual poets/book artists/performance artists- have been rereading it for brief essay writing re "Unreadability" (others on this list and myself contributed to the exhibiton and boxes deing done for this also, public works now on display in Atalanta) and some other projects including Bob Grumman's two anthologies of asemic and hyposemic works-- the interview with Alsion Knowles, whose work i always find of great interest and challenge, is terrific--it is called "To See Clearly & Afresh Eash Moment"-- in it she brings up something which i think has been lost to some extent in disussions of Fluxus--that is, she sees it very much in the relationship with the East--Eastern thought as in the Taoism of Lao Tzu and the writings of Cunag Tzu--( apersonal favorite of mine)-- she goes into a discussion of the example of Duchamp, its great bearing on her work and that of those she respects and works with--in oppostion to the example of Picasso, whom she sees as the culmination of Western art--in that he works with art that comes out of art, whereas the approach of a Duchamp is that the art and life--are entertwined-- she also discusses woemn in art and life, performances--much on the role of daily life and use of simple found materials-- if you like, i can write out some pertinenet quotes, passages-- what interests me is her presenting the influence of the East and of Duchamp-- Duchamp was greatly inspired and in oppsotion to a French phrase which says: "bete comme un peintrre"--stupid like a painter--ie.e the famous cliched image of the artist as being inarticulate, having inspirations which s/he cannot express or work with in terms of ideas, concepts-- Duchamp set out to refute this--and introduced the conetpual into his works-- i found this interesting, the conjunction of the Tasoim, which is a presencing, an experience and action with, something that is outside of naming and concepts-- and th conceptual, intellectual approach of Duchamp-- this makes the essay wonderful to read, as Knowles moves into the areas of the daily--as an experince which is ongoing with the making of projects-- as i was about to qwrite this letter, one of the women who works here asked me if i could leave for a bit and let another person use the email-- so i went out to smoke and walk about the streets and see what i couod find, as i do this daily for mywon works and inpsirations,ideas-- a dumpetr, series of them--yesterday i had found they have people moving out of the adjacent building--and had found manywonderful things--but being constrained re larger materials where i currently live--limited myself to a small table to use for word processor has just acquired second hand--a perfect fit--and took home on bus-- so that solved apractical probeom--where to put the machine in order to use it! today i found a great deal of interesting things until chased away by an officious individual wielding alrge broom and dustpan claiming to be employed in the act of cleaning up the alley there--between the building and the fence seprating a small yard from the dumpsters lined in a straggling row-- found sevral things with raised letetrings to use for ruBEings (what officially are denoted as "frottage")--also sevralpairs of excelletn sunglasses in cases no less (i have an addiction nealry to sunglasses)--also wonderful very old large emobssed and decoarted can that had list taped to it of the contents--tons of thumbtacks stil in there cardboards--pins, needles etc--and a small box for storing objects in--wil go backlater when the officious person shal haveleft--though may be lurking about, who knows-- Knwoles i find speaking of the use of the found, which is basis for most of what i do--materials from the street--so that this here may be presnet in the there of whomever whever-- i first heard of Fluxus in the late 1960s--and associated it much with Eastern thought from the little i knew of it at the time--also the idea of a community of like minded person working toegether--spontaneous events and scored events--this interested me much--as big infleunces on me have been Dada and the likes of Jarry--also poets
FLUXLIST: Fwd: Fw: poetry
Now here's a situation in which poetry is NOT being ignored! John > Hard lessons from poetry class: Speech is free unless it's critical > By BILL HILL > Daytona Beach - News-journalonline.com > Last update: 15 May 2004 > > Bill Nevins, a New Mexico high school teacher and personal friend, was fired > last year and classes in poetry and the poetry club at Rio Rancho High > School were permanently terminated. It had nothing to do with obscenity, but > it had everything to do with extremist politics. > > The "Slam Team" was a group of teenage poets who asked Nevins to serve as > faculty adviser to their club. The teens, mostly shy youngsters, were taught > to read their poetry aloud and before audiences. Rio Rancho High School gave > the Slam Team access to the school's closed-circuit television once a week > and the poets thrived. > > In March 2003, a teenage girl named Courtney presented one of her poems > before an audience at Barnes & Noble bookstore in Albuquerque, then read the > poem live on the school's closed-circuit television channel. > > A school military liaison and the high school principal accused the girl of > being "un-American" because she criticized the war in Iraq and the Bush > administration's failure to give substance to its "No child left behind" > education policy. > > The girl's mother, also a teacher, was ordered by the principal to destroy > the child's poetry. The mother refused and may lose her job. > > Bill Nevins was suspended for not censoring the poetry of his students. > Remember, there is no obscenity to be found in any of the poetry. He was > later fired by the principal. > > After firing Nevins and terminating the teaching and reading of poetry in > the school, the principal and the military liaison read a poem of their own > as they raised the flag outside the school. When the principal had the flag > at full staff, he applauded the action he'd taken in concert with the > military liaison. > > Then to all students and faculty who did not share his political opinions, > the principal shouted: "Shut your faces." What a wonderful lesson he gave > those 3,000 students at the largest public high school in New Mexico. In his > mind, only certain opinions are to be allowed. > > But more was to come. Posters done by art students were ordered torn down, > even though none was termed obscene. Some were satirical, implicating a > national policy that had led us into war. Art teachers who refused to rip > down the posters on display in their classrooms were not given contracts to > return to the school in this current school year. > > The message is plain. Critical thinking, questioning of public policies and > freedom of speech are not to be allowed to anyone who does not share the > thinking of the school principal. > > The teachers union has been joined in a legal action against the school by > the National Writers Union, headquartered in New York City. NWU's at-large > representative Samantha Clark lives and works in Albuquerque. > > The American Civil Liberties Union has become the legal arm of the lawsuit > pending in federal court. > > Meanwhile, Nevins applied for a teaching post in another school and was > offered the job but he can't go to work until Rio Rancho's principal sends > the new school Nevins' credentials. The principal has refused to do so, and > that adds yet another issue to the lawsuit, which is awaiting a trial date. > > While students are denied poetry readings, poetry clubs and classes in > poetry, Nevins works elsewhere and writes his own poetry. > > Writers and editors who have spent years translating essays, films, poems, > scientific articles and books by Iranian, North Korean and Sudanese authors > have been warned not to do so by the U.S. Treasury Department under penalty > of fine and imprisonment. Publishers and film producers are not allowed to > edit works authored by writers in those nations. The Bush administration > contends doing so has the effect of trading with the enemy, despite a 1988 > law that exempts published materials from sanction under trade rules. > > Robert Bovenschulte, president of the American Chemical Society, is > challenging the rule interpretation by violating it to edit into English > several scientific papers from Iran. > > Are book burnings next? > __ Dr. John M. Bennett Curator, Avant Writing Collection Rare Books & Manuscripts Library The Ohio State University Libraries 1858 Neil Av Mall Columbus, OH 43210 USA (614) 292-3029 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.johnmbennett.net ___
RE: FLUXLIST: accidental fluxlist and Dieter Roth
---Gosh, Roger, I had no idea you'd studied sculpture at art college. I'd always imagined you'd carved poems at Poetry College! You learn something new every day o n teh FLusxlist! Michael Roger Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jill visited NY a couple of weeks ago and visited > the Dieter Roth > exhibition. She said it was wonderful. She brought > me back the > catalogue. Well, I say catalogue - it's actually a > 300 page large-format > book. > Roth Time - A Dieter Roth Retrospective. It's > magnificent. > > What staggered me was just how much work the guy > produced. I had no idea > he was so prolific. > > He's always been one of my favourite artists and was > quite an influence > on my work. I first came across his work in the > library of the Art > College when I was a sculpture student (this would > have been 1968? 69?) > It was book full of little poems and sayings stuck > in with transparent > sticky tape. I just thought... WOW! > > > Kathy Forer wrote - > Last week I saw the Dieter Roth exhibit and was > much more satisfied > than I thought I'd be. So messy! It was the insides > turned outside and > yeah I liked it, mostly. Though my sensibilities are > inclined toward > form, my curiosity is captured by painted postcards. > And context. > > > > > Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html
RE: FLUXLIST: accidental fluxlist and crumpets
Michael, I have to take issue with you there. Norbeth Winkfartle, the 13th Century German etymologist and wood shavings reconstructionalist quotes this verse by Gertrude Nqzthmmprtzzfjp, the unpronounceable acupuncturist and chronicler to the court of King Stupid the Peddler dated 11th century - Wan thet croompit with his talleth phoon Be set with tea and a pinke tromboone Not only an earlier mention of tea and crumpets but also the first ever reference to the telephone. Hope this clears it up. Roger ---The phrase "tea and crumpets" was I believe, first mentioned in the ancient Book of Crump back in the 12th century by the sage and onion gatherer poet WIlhem de Marmalude. IN a strange dialect only known to himself and few followers he thus describes his first meeting with FHartley Forfesters- the Treacle bearer. " Doush thou be lumpit, Me olde dear crump It maketh me slump IN me glope wiv tea An crumpet play lood On the pink trumpet" A.1.Waste PAper Co. Ltd. Kathy Forer wrote: > > Does anyone know the origin of the phrase "tea and > crumpets"? > Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html
RE: FLUXLIST: accidental fluxlist and Dieter Roth
Jill visited NY a couple of weeks ago and visited the Dieter Roth exhibition. She said it was wonderful. She brought me back the catalogue. Well, I say catalogue - it's actually a 300 page large-format book. Roth Time - A Dieter Roth Retrospective. It's magnificent. What staggered me was just how much work the guy produced. I had no idea he was so prolific. He's always been one of my favourite artists and was quite an influence on my work. I first came across his work in the library of the Art College when I was a sculpture student (this would have been 1968? 69?) It was book full of little poems and sayings stuck in with transparent sticky tape. I just thought... WOW! Kathy Forer wrote - Last week I saw the Dieter Roth exhibit and was much more satisfied than I thought I'd be. So messy! It was the insides turned outside and yeah I liked it, mostly. Though my sensibilities are inclined toward form, my curiosity is captured by painted postcards. And context.
FLUXLIST: mail art mishap/
amy and anyone else i owe replies to i'll get onto it as soon as my head/schedule clears (please aplogise to you students ) alan
Re: FLUXLIST: accidental fluxlist
---The phrase "tea and crumpets" was I believe, first mentioned in the ancient Book of Crump back in the 12th century by the sage and onion gatherer poet WIlhem de Marmalude. IN a strange dialect only known to himself and few followers he thus describes his first meeting with FHartley Forfesters- the Treacle bearer. " Doush thou be lumpit, Me olde dear crump It maketh me slump IN me glope wiv tea An crumpet play lood On the pink trumpet" A.1.Waste PAper Co. Ltd. Kathy Forer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It was a dark and stormy night, long, long ago and > far away, I don't > recall how I happened on Fluxlist, something about > Seattle, or digital > art, but at first it appealed to an absurdist > element in my strivingly > rationalist nature. Later, I came to learn about > Fluxus, vaguely, more > osmotically than referentially, and I'm still here, > listening and > throwing pennies and wooden nickels. > > Watching how the sometimes uncool geeky cool crowd > does it, but knowing > we're special and of course that doesn't matter, for > among other things > we knew Miss Petal. Fluxlist has its own history. > Present, etc. > > Last week I saw the Dieter Roth exhibit and was much > more satisfied > than I thought I'd be. So messy! It was the insides > turned outside and > yeah I liked it, mostly. Though my sensibilities are > inclined toward > form, my curiosity is captured by painted postcards. > And context. > > Does anyone know the origin of the phrase "tea and > crumpets"? > > Much pleased to share your wit and wobbly grinks, > Kathy > > Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html
