Re: FLUXLIST: Lord Russell's Pair of Dogs
I blame Allen!
Re: FLUXLIST: a Happy solstice/soulsustenance day to all!
Also Happy Birthday To me!39 again! Michael --- David-Baptiste Chirot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: - Happy Sol/Soulsistice/sustenance Day to all- and, a belated Happy Father's Day to all--fathers-- and also Happy Birthday yesterday to Kurt Schwitters-- - MSN 9 Dial-up Internet Access fights spam and pop-ups now 3 months FREE! ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - so many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: FLUXLIST: secret fluxus' pianoforte Drop
That was just perfect! I still hope the pianos are beyond repair, but now it makes sense. On Jun 20, 2004, at 3:09 PM, zoe marsh wrote: This is a bit from 'Not Fade Away' by Jim Dodge, one of my favourite writers. It's about two blokes, one of whom is a horn player, wrecking a car for insurance, and seemed to be somehow relevant - zoe I put the Merc in Neutral and cramped the wheels to the left. Big Red and I put our shoulders to it, a few good grunts at first, and then she was rolling on her own weight. When the front tires dropped over the edge, the back end flipped up, but rather than nosing straight down it dragged on the frame and tilted sideways slow enough for us to hear all the cans sluicing towards the drivers side, and then she cleared the edge and was gone. The earth suddenly seemed lighter. It was silent so long I figured we hadn't heard it hit, that the sound of the impact had been muffled by the surge and batter of the waves below, and I was just about to peer over the edge when it smashed on the rocks KAAALLLAAM. Big Red stood there, rooted, eyes closed and head thrown back, swaying slightly from side to side. He was obviously lost in something, but, though I hated to interrupt, it didn't seem wise to hang around appreciating the sonic clarity of a new Mercury meeting ancient stone in the middle of a felony. I touched his arm. 'Let's hit it.' 'You drive,' Big Red replied - a command, not a request. Silent, eyes closed, Big Red didn't twitch from his reverie until we were coming back across the golden gate. I was half depressed with spoilt adrenaline, half pissed that he'd withdrawn when I felt like yammering, so when he finally opened his eyes and asked 'Did you hear it,' I was a little cross. 'Hear what? The waves? The wind? The wreck?' 'No man, the silence. The gravitational mass of that silence. And then that great, brief, twisted cry of metal.' 'That sound isn't high on my hit parade, Red. I like cars, trucks, four-bys, six-bys, eight-bys, and them great big motherfuckers that bend in the middle and go shooosh shooosh when you pump the brakes. It'd be like throwing your horn off the cliff.' 'Yes!' He grabbed my shoulder, 'Exactly!' He was so pleased that it seemed cruel to admit my understanding was the accidental result of petulant exaggeration, if not outright deceit.
FLUXLIST: a multiple
hello i am starting a multiple project which would meld mail art with sound. if you are interested then please send me your physical address. i will be sending out the pieces as quick as possible. the instructions on what to do next will be included. hope this is fun for you. thanks,
RE: FLUXLIST: Lord Russell's Pair of Dogs
More fun with names! Bertrand, I think the list that you are referring to was actually mine (Allan) and not Alan's. I think that things would be simpler if we all just assumed that Alan (Bowman) and Allan (Revich) were one and the same person. Speaking for myself, (Allan Revich) I don't have a big problem with that! I think that sharing a drink, or a spliff, or a cell with Alan Bowman would be just dandy. Heck, we already share most of a name. Allan not Alan -- the other Allan, or the other one. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bertrand Clavez Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 8:13 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Lord Russell's Pair of Dogs Dear Secret FLuxus, Your lasts posts are the best Fluxus and the most fluxian contributions you've ever made to the list, please keep on, I really loved the whole mixud-up of confusion about the apologies to the wrong people for having mispelled their names sent to the wrong person about the necessity to be clear when attributing a work to an artist by contesting wrongly a correct title. If this make sense to anyone, we're on Fluxlist. There is one category Alan B. forgot in his list: Histrionicians of Art Maybe the most common one among Fluxus followers, theoreticians and practicioneers Welcome aboard folks!! Bests, Bertrand PS: I'm not sure that Alan noted that anywhere in the posts he sent you, but he has been for years the assistant of Emily Harvey (ask to Ken for more details about her if you need) and has worked, lived, drunk, performed, eaten, talked, etc. with ALL the living (surviving?) Fluxus Artists longer than we did altogether. One can say that he has breathed Fluxus for years, and hanged to its mammals to get any little drip (music) of Fluxus milk. However, it never prevented him from having his own work (and a pretty good one), and I can tell you it's not so easy with such monsters around (not to crocodiles in the same lake). (at that very moment I'm sure he his very upset with me sayong all that, but...-Alan just send me the address for one of your very well found definitions). Anyway, I hope you'll find you're place on FLuxlist, because I'm very interested by your interpretation of the conservation of Fluxus, beyond the pointless polemics. Emmett Williams often works with a german group of professionnal Fluxus interprets (Die Maulwerker I think or something approaching ) and he's used to say that they perform the pieces better than any Fluxus artists ever did. This may be an interesting track for your group (even though you seem to develop you're interpretations of the performing of the scores). >Dear Fluxlisters, >We seem to have confused Alan Bowman with Allan Revich. >It is to Allan Revich that we should have written, 'We have explained who we >are and what we do a few times now. We will be happy to do it again. >Following a few events and accidents last month, we are rethinking our own >activities, so our view of ourselves may change, but we'll post a relatively >current statement. We do indeed include a couple of art students in our >midst, and many argue that solicitors are wankers, but the rest of the >labels on your list are hardly neutral. If you truly intend no offence, >there are better ways to avoid giving offence than by asking whether we are >"killjoys, pompous little twerps, little children with big mouths" etc.' >Your long list of pejoratives is designed to offend. So is your manner of >addressing us as "Mr. and Mrs. Secret Fluxus," and the like when you know we are a group. We use the polite form in all correspondence because, as an anonymous group, we can't claim to know any one person directly or on a first-name basis. Mr. Bukoff has changed the purpose of Fluxlist, and the reasons we joined are no longer among the purposes. If you or others find our interests bothersome, we will be happy to leave the list. Sincerely, Dear Fluxlisters -- and Alan Bowman, In our haste to clarify our earlier note, we failed to state that we apologize to Alan Bowman. We did not intend the mildly irate reply that we posted by misreading the header on his short note as the header for Allan Revich's long note and harsh list of labels. Sorry. Secret Fluxus _ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger - Original Message - From: "secret fluxus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 9:29 AM Subject: FLUXLIST: Lord Russell's Pair of Dogs > Dear Ms. Forer, > > We don't recall whether Allan Revich signed one of his messages as Secret > Fluxus, but he is not one of us. > > We have made the astonished discovery that artists in several places now > claim to be members of Secret Fluxus. There is a simple way to tell who is > NOT a member of Secret Fluxus. No one who claims to be a member of Secret > Fluxus is one of us. The
Re: FLUXLIST: up to date
hello Don and thanks for the intrest. i have figured out a way to release it in a different manner and still have the toy submissions included. during the initial planing of the toy box, i put together a notebook full of ideas, ramblings, and other misc. this was the main reason that the box became a monster and all my energy drained from it. basically, getting way ahead of myself as mentioned. i lost interest in the project, but still wanted to do it at some later moment. i just didn't figure that later meant a year +, and i can understand the lost interest by some. so... i will be putting together 5 notebooks, as close a copy to the original that my hand can muster up, and include a disc with the pictures of submissions. it would be great to slideshow the photos, or if everyone could get a polaroid/110 photo of their toy, but i will take anything, either sent on file or a hard copy to scan. if you would like to receive one of the notebooks, just holler, and also send a photo. thanks Don, for replying to my up to date, brian p.s.: anymore input would be great - Original Message - From: "Don Boyd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 7:07 AM Subject: RE: FLUXLIST: up to date Brian, Why don't you make cheap copies and collages of the paperwork generated in this project and send a package to each participant? We could each donate a small sum for copying and postage. For example, my toy was a black baby doll. Need a photo? -Don _
Re: FLUXLIST: Lord Russell's Pair of Dogs
Dear Secret FLuxus, Your lasts posts are the best Fluxus and the most fluxian contributions you've ever made to the list, please keep on, I really loved the whole mixud-up of confusion about the apologies to the wrong people for having mispelled their names sent to the wrong person about the necessity to be clear when attributing a work to an artist by contesting wrongly a correct title. If this make sense to anyone, we're on Fluxlist. There is one category Alan B. forgot in his list: Histrionicians of Art Maybe the most common one among Fluxus followers, theoreticians and practicioneers Welcome aboard folks!! Bests, Bertrand PS: I'm not sure that Alan noted that anywhere in the posts he sent you, but he has been for years the assistant of Emily Harvey (ask to Ken for more details about her if you need) and has worked, lived, drunk, performed, eaten, talked, etc. with ALL the living (surviving?) Fluxus Artists longer than we did altogether. One can say that he has breathed Fluxus for years, and hanged to its mammals to get any little drip (music) of Fluxus milk. However, it never prevented him from having his own work (and a pretty good one), and I can tell you it's not so easy with such monsters around (not to crocodiles in the same lake). (at that very moment I'm sure he his very upset with me sayong all that, but...-Alan just send me the address for one of your very well found definitions). Anyway, I hope you'll find you're place on FLuxlist, because I'm very interested by your interpretation of the conservation of Fluxus, beyond the pointless polemics. Emmett Williams often works with a german group of professionnal Fluxus interprets (Die Maulwerker I think or something approaching ) and he's used to say that they perform the pieces better than any Fluxus artists ever did. This may be an interesting track for your group (even though you seem to develop you're interpretations of the performing of the scores). >Dear Fluxlisters, >We seem to have confused Alan Bowman with Allan Revich. >It is to Allan Revich that we should have written, 'We have explained who we >are and what we do a few times now. We will be happy to do it again. >Following a few events and accidents last month, we are rethinking our own >activities, so our view of ourselves may change, but we'll post a relatively >current statement. We do indeed include a couple of art students in our >midst, and many argue that solicitors are wankers, but the rest of the >labels on your list are hardly neutral. If you truly intend no offence, >there are better ways to avoid giving offence than by asking whether we are >"killjoys, pompous little twerps, little children with big mouths" etc.' >Your long list of pejoratives is designed to offend. So is your manner of >addressing us as "Mr. and Mrs. Secret Fluxus," and the like when you know we are a group. We use the polite form in all correspondence because, as an anonymous group, we can't claim to know any one person directly or on a first-name basis. Mr. Bukoff has changed the purpose of Fluxlist, and the reasons we joined are no longer among the purposes. If you or others find our interests bothersome, we will be happy to leave the list. Sincerely, Dear Fluxlisters -- and Alan Bowman, In our haste to clarify our earlier note, we failed to state that we apologize to Alan Bowman. We did not intend the mildly irate reply that we posted by misreading the header on his short note as the header for Allan Revich's long note and harsh list of labels. Sorry. Secret Fluxus _ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger - Original Message - From: "secret fluxus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 9:29 AM Subject: FLUXLIST: Lord Russell's Pair of Dogs > Dear Ms. Forer, > > We don't recall whether Allan Revich signed one of his messages as Secret > Fluxus, but he is not one of us. > > We have made the astonished discovery that artists in several places now > claim to be members of Secret Fluxus. There is a simple way to tell who is > NOT a member of Secret Fluxus. No one who claims to be a member of Secret > Fluxus is one of us. The members of our little chamber orchestra are known > only to one another and to a few family members who sometimes perform with > us or join us in family picnics while we plan our activities. > > As Lord Russell would have noted, this makes it easy to know who is NOT > Secret Fluxus while making it impossible to know who IS. > > We gather from the tone of Mr. Revich's communication that he does not wish > anyone to mistake him for one of the four women or the four lovable moptops > in our group. Of course, if we were Beatles Imitators, it would obviously > leave room for a Yoko Ono Imitator in our midst. This raises a thorny issue, > since we do not wish to imitate Fluxus artists. We only wish to perform > their
Re: FLUXLIST: point and click
pardon the delay... i will send off a disc soon thanks, - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 1:57 PM Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: point and click In a message dated 6/15/04 3:57:14 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: if anyone is new to playing video games , and i don't mean the Doom type,or kill, kill, kill variety, but interactive fiction/adventure/point andclick, then i would be happy to send a copy of an interactive fiction gamethat would seemingly gel with this group. It is/was produced by the Ancientof text adventures, Infocom.Madawg Jr would like something like that. P.O.Box 916/Pacific Grove, CA 93950
FLUXLIST: a Happy solstice/soulsustenance day to all!
Happy Sol/Soulsistice/sustenance Day to all- and, a belated Happy Father's Day to all--fathers-- and also Happy Birthday yesterday to Kurt Schwitters-- MSN 9 Dial-up Internet Access fights spam and pop-ups now 3 months FREE!
Re: FLUXLIST: yeeeaaahhh!
YEEEAA!! for England. (sniff) for Switzerland - I really was hoping at !/2 time Georg oh well.. bests alan
Re: FLUXLIST: You don't know what you've been missing
And I probably never will. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 3:57 PM Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: You don't know what you've been missing
Re: FLUXLIST: Jon
Jon, my mailman he gives me this incredible gift, see. Then he worries that its wrong-- maybe it's the junk mail. I'm not sure why he thinks this way. by Madawg
Re: FLUXLIST: You don't know what you've been missing
FLUXLIST: yeeeaaahhh!
georg!! half time : france 1 - switzerland 1 croatia 1 - england 2 i have every concievable thing crossed (oh! and a fridge full of beer, which will help regardless of final scores!) saluti! alan
FLUXLIST: WTC.XTC
Dear All Do you wish to bend the curve of space-time, at last ? just a quick mail to inform you about the WTC.XTC project : a 2H20 hypersonic freshcore audio trip + veryverystrangevideos around the aesthetics of the fall. Cheers, http://www.hangars-liquides.com
FLUXLIST: Guls, Ym
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Re: FLUXLIST: Sorry for mixing Alan with Allan
Title: Re: FLUXLIST: Sorry for mixing Alan with Allan GEEE shucksss [:–) Ray _from way out on the edge eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (when the server’s up) On 22/6/04 1:45 AM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In a message dated 6/20/04 11:41:35 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This might be the time to introduce this list to the notion of UPG ‘Unconditional Positive Regard’. I UPG you too Ray-Dawg
Re: FLUXLIST: Secret Fluxus and Me.
Title: Re: FLUXLIST: Secret Fluxus and Me. After Monday next I’ll be able to give a serious response to this and I look forward to doing so as it deserves on! In the meantime ‘doyinhahutel zulli fut zajung’ worldSILLYweek June 18 to 28 2004 11 Days of sanctioned social transgression and serious pisstaking all in the cause of charity For More Information eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: On 22/6/04 1:18 AM, "Allan Revich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think that I need to post some clarification to the list regarding my views expressed towards Secret Fluxus. 1) I should state from the outset that I admired this group a great deal when they joined and began posting to the fluxlist. 2) I continue to admire Secret Fluxus a great deal. Their dedication to performing fluxus works, and to preserving the historical fluxus work and perspective is admirable, respectable and is a welcome addition to fluxlist. 3) My attraction to fluxlist was, and continues to be the new works and ideas put forth in the list. I enjoy the discussions about fluxus history, but enjoy the dynamics of new fluxus activity even more. 4) My critique of some Secret Fluxus postings is that they seem to put fluxus completely into the past tense, relegating it to history, whereas I love the idea that people like Ken Friedman, George Maciunas, and Yoko Ono started an activity/movement/idea that developed a life of its own and continues to grow, develop, evolve, and thrive. I have been disappointed by what I have perceived however as an unwillingness on the part of Secret Fluxus to acknowledge that Fluxus is much more than only a historical movement in need of preservation. 5) As Ken Friedman stated in his essay "Forty Years of Fluxus"; http://www.artnotart.com/fluxus/kfriedman-fourtyyears.html "Fluxus has been able to grow because it's had room for dialogue and transformation. It's been able to be born and reborn several times in different ways. The fluid understanding of its own history and meaning, the central insistence on dialogue and social creativity rather than on objects and artifacts have enabled Fluxus to remain alive on the several occasions that Fluxus has been declared dead." 6) Long live Fluxus! Allan Revich
Re: FLUXLIST: Johnee's Cussin Jar
In a message dated 6/21/04 6:50:27 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: --Some curses by the 5 year old son of a friend of mine- "Dirty red trumpets!" "Stupid big clay!" I will add Madawg Jr's latest 10 year old expletives: Vagina! Breastmilk! and you Boner!!!
Re: FLUXLIST: Sorry for mixing Alan with Allan
In a message dated 6/20/04 11:41:35 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This might be the time to introduce this list to the notion of UPG âUnconditional Positive Regardâ. I UPG you too Ray-Dawg
Re: FLUXLIST: further for the yoko ono egg drop soup
In a message dated 6/20/04 12:59:10 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: when the egg had been dropped for yoko ono egg drop soup-- exclaim: YOLK! Oh NO! Did you hear about the new show by Yoko Nono? It's all black. Its being held at the Noma
FLUXLIST: portrait of secret fluxus announcemental
dear all and sundried the cantankerous old buggers of the 'freeformfreakout organisation "not the most original idea that now then was it?" division' are somewhat embarassed to present: A Portrait of Secret Fluxus. A call for 'portraits' of Secret Fluxus in a form suitable for hosting on the FFFO webs(h)ite. send your portraits of Secret Fluxus as image files, text files, (small!!!) sound files, nail files whatever to us and see them haphazardly presented on the Freeformfreakout website (still haven't got round to renewing the domain...) at http://xoomer.virgilio.it/n.waugh/secretfluxus/secretflux1.html http://xoomer.virgilio.it/n.waugh/secretfluxus/secretflux1.html http://xoomer.virgilio.it/n.waugh/secretfluxus/secretflux1.html Free admission, last orders at 1.50 a.m prompt, free snooker on Sundays between 3 and 4pm We thank you and all that mullarkey, Laurel-Anne Hardy Secretary to Anna Wombal FFFO ntmoitntwi? Div.
Re: RE: FLUXLIST: Get into the spirit ?
Allow me to be of assistance. They work with butter and eggs. They are short-order cooks at the International House of Pancakes. Ask about their orange crepes! A delight! BadgerGirl > > From: "Allan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 2004/06/19 Sat PM 01:50:58 EDT > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: FLUXLIST: Get into the spirit ? > > Dear Mr. And Mrs. Secret Fluxus, > > Re: "As we've said before, we are not pretending to be Fluxus artists." > > Perhaps you would care to explain exactly who or what it is that you ARE > pretending to be? I am not quite certain. Some of my guesses; > > - Grown-ups > - Histrionicians (Practitioners of histrionics) > - Historians > - Comedians > - Members of a secret society like "Skull and Bones" of Yale U > - Art Students > - Experts on ethics > - Killjoys > - Pompous little twerps > - Little children with big mouths > - Whiners > - Wankers > - Toy soldiers > - Life guards > - Nail clippers > > Please note that no offence is intended. If any of my guesses are either > correct or incorrect it would be most helpful if you would share that > information on the flixlist. > > Thank you ever so much! > > Allan > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of secret fluxus > Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 8:10 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: FLUXLIST: Get into the spirit ? > > Mr. Bowman, > > Why don't YOU get into the spirit of things? > > If you read the correspondence of such artists as George Maciunas and Dick > Higgins, you will see that they were quite careful to attribute works to the > > right artists, and they made a great point from time to time about clearing > up confusions and misattributions. On many occasions, both Mr. Maciunas and > Mr. Higgins were quite blunt in criticizing the liberties others took when > they recast Fluxus artists and Fluxus work into a form it never had. Other > Fluxus artists have also made a point of clarifying such mistakes. Ben > Vautier has often done so, and so has Ken Friedman. > > As we've said before, we are not pretending to be Fluxus artists. We have > our own views and our own interests. One of these is peforming and learning > from the work of other artists. This involves knowing something about who > did the work -- and it also involves knowing the work well enough to clear > up these issues. For us, attributing work correctly is a matter of simple > respect for the artists who created it. > > Unless you claim some special standing as a Fluxus artist, we can't see why > your interpretation of the Fluxus spirit has priority over ours. > > Secret Fluxus > > > > >Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 21:30:38 +0200 > >From: "Alan Bowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: FLUXLIST: secret fluxus' pianoforte Drop > > > >That's it Mr./Mrs./Miss/Ms. Secret Fluxus > > > >get into the spirit of things! > > > >http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=pedantic > > > > > >- - Original Message - > >From: "secret fluxus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 8:52 PM > >Subject: FLUXLIST: Al Hansen's Piano Drop > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > As we understand it, Al Hansen's first piano drop works began in Germany > > > where Mr. Hansen served in the US Army after the Second World War. > > > > > > This was long before Mr. Hansen had ever heard of Yoko Ono and long > >before > > > Ms. Ono began working as an artist. > > > > > > We have never seen this work titled "Yoko One Piano Drop." We might be > > > wrong, > > > of course, and Mr. Hansen may have created a new title later. As far as > >we > > > do > > > know, however, this is Mr. Hansen's work, and it has nothing to do with > >Yoko > > > Ono. > > > > > > Secret Fluxus > > > > > _ > Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo > > > > >
FLUXLIST: Secret Fluxus and Me.
I think that I need to post some clarification to the list regarding my views expressed towards Secret Fluxus. 1) I should state from the outset that I admired this group a great deal when they joined and began posting to the fluxlist. 2) I continue to admire Secret Fluxus a great deal. Their dedication to performing fluxus works, and to preserving the historical fluxus work and perspective is admirable, respectable and is a welcome addition to fluxlist. 3) My attraction to fluxlist was, and continues to be the new works and ideas put forth in the list. I enjoy the discussions about fluxus history, but enjoy the dynamics of new fluxus activity even more. 4) My critique of some Secret Fluxus postings is that they seem to put fluxus completely into the past tense, relegating it to history, whereas I love the idea that people like Ken Friedman, George Maciunas, and Yoko Ono started an activity/movement/idea that developed a life of its own and continues to grow, develop, evolve, and thrive. I have been disappointed by what I have perceived however as an unwillingness on the part of Secret Fluxus to acknowledge that Fluxus is much more than only a historical movement in need of preservation. 5) As Ken Friedman stated in his essay "Forty Years of Fluxus"; http://www.artnotart.com/fluxus/kfriedman-fourtyyears.html "Fluxus has been able to grow because it's had room for dialogue and transformation. It's been able to be born and reborn several times in different ways. The fluid understanding of its own history and meaning, the central insistence on dialogue and social creativity rather than on objects and artifacts have enabled Fluxus to remain alive on the several occasions that Fluxus has been declared dead." 6) Long live Fluxus! Allan Revich
Re: FLUXLIST: Apologies to Alan Bowman
Just to clear things up... I am not affiliated in any way at all with Secret Fluxus except that we both post to this list. Secret Fluxus did (very kindly) once perform a piece that I dedicated to them. As far as I know they are located geographically in England. I am in Toronto, Canada. Allan Revich - Original Message - From: "Kathy Forer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 2:35 AM Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Apologies to Alan Bowman > On 6/20/04 2:06 PM, "secret fluxus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > We did not intend the mildly irate reply that we > > posted by misreading the header on his short note as the header for Allan > > Revich's long note and harsh list of labels. > > > But is or isn't Allen Revich "one of you"? Has he not at one time signed his > own messages as "Secret Fluxus"? > > Or was that some or another sort of mis/appropriation? > > > "Dear women and four Beatles imitators," > > >
Re: FLUXLIST: Johnee's Cussin Jar
pumphead- used to say it when I was little-feels very good to say it viciously
Re: FLUXLIST: Johnee's Cussin Jar
--Some curses by the 5 year old son of a friend of mine- "Dirty red trumpets!" "Stupid big clay!" - "John M. Bennett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For father's day yesterday, Lady C gave me a ceramic > jar with the words > "Cussin Jar" on the side. Not sure exactly what > it's "supposed" to be used > for, I have taken this matter into my own hands, and > request your gracious > participation. (Might be especially appropriate for > FLUXLIST, given > exchanges the past few days!). > > Please send me - mail or email - your most elegant > curse. I will place > these in the jar, and when I need one, will draw one > out and put it to > use. This will put our teenaged son to shame, as > his curses are of the > crudest and most unimaginative kind you can imagine. > > Thank you! > > Send to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > or > > John M. Bennett > 137 Leland Ave. > Columbus, OH 432314 USA > __ > Dr. John M. Bennett > Curator, Avant Writing Collection > Rare Books & Manuscripts Library > The Ohio State University Libraries > 1858 Neil Av Mall > Columbus, OH 43210 USA > > (614) 292-3029 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.johnmbennett.net > ___ > > > ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - so many all-new ways to express yourself http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
FLUXLIST: Johnee's Cussin Jar
For father's day yesterday, Lady C gave me a ceramic jar with the words "Cussin Jar" on the side. Not sure exactly what it's "supposed" to be used for, I have taken this matter into my own hands, and request your gracious participation. (Might be especially appropriate for FLUXLIST, given exchanges the past few days!). Please send me - mail or email - your most elegant curse. I will place these in the jar, and when I need one, will draw one out and put it to use. This will put our teenaged son to shame, as his curses are of the crudest and most unimaginative kind you can imagine. Thank you! Send to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or John M. Bennett 137 Leland Ave. Columbus, OH 432314 USA __ Dr. John M. Bennett Curator, Avant Writing Collection Rare Books & Manuscripts Library The Ohio State University Libraries 1858 Neil Av Mall Columbus, OH 43210 USA (614) 292-3029 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.johnmbennett.net ___
Re: FLUXLIST: John
Ours did make us a piece of mail art once. Quite nice, too. But he never come sharply; always a tad rumpled - John At 12:26 PM 6/20/2004 -0400, you wrote: John, my mailman came today at 11:11 sharply. He walks gives me a gift of mail He has never sent me a letter. by Madawg __ Dr. John M. Bennett Curator, Avant Writing Collection Rare Books & Manuscripts Library The Ohio State University Libraries 1858 Neil Av Mall Columbus, OH 43210 USA (614) 292-3029 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.johnmbennett.net ___
Re: FLUXLIST: portrait of secret fluxus
Dear All I have recieved the first entry for "A Portrait of Secret Fluxus" C'mon, c'mon, c'mon!! let's have those entries - doesn't have to be pictorial Shall I set a deadline? Please feel free to send this out to whoever you wish I hope Secret Fluxus will participate too! Bests aLan
RE: FLUXLIST: Re;Fluxlist;Piano Drop/DUANE EDDY LIVES!
Duane does Dylan? Wow, I say again. I’ll search out a copy right away. Thanks Roger Visit The Poetry Zone http://www.poetryzone.co.uk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David-Baptiste Chirot Sent: 20 June 2004 20:10 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: FLUXLIST: Re;Fluxlist;Piano Drop/DUANE EDDY LIVES! YES! long live Duane and His Twangy Guitar! check out his great great lp DUANE DOES DYLAN besides some Dylan songs of early '60's he also does stirring version of "Eve of Destruction"! >From: "Roger Stevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: FLUXLIST: Re;Fluxlist;Piano Drop >Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 18:38:45 +0100 > >Wow > >I didn't know Duane Eddy was still alive > > > >http://www.gibson.com/whatsnew/pressrelease/2002/dec4a.html > > > > > > I'll get it right eventually! > >Michael > > > > > > > MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page – FREE download!
FLUXLIST: portrait of secret fluxus
Dear All, I know it's not a terribly new idea, and borrows heavily from Robin Crozier, but about a "Portrait of Secret Fluxus" piece - electronic media - jpg, gif, bmp, .txt, html, (even very small sound files) The fffo could host the files on a website. 'hard copy' pieces could be sent via snail mail and i could scan them etc just a thought alan Are Secxret Fkuxus really the Residents disquised as the Fluxus Indians? BTW AllEn how are things in Coon Rapids? One of my all time favourite websites (despite the involvement of Bukoff) http://www.fluxus.org/museum/
Re: FLUXLIST: Lord Russell's Pair of Dogs
Title: Re: FLUXLIST: Lord Russell's Pair of Dogs Hi! Does this mean that secretFLUXUStrevallyn are a bunch of impostors charlatans fraudulent pretenders ratbags irrelevant imitators extraneous prats unimportant fools con-artist insignificant people false profits OR simply buggers> Because its worldSILLYweek and monday> I needed 11 alternatives but seriously I would appreciate your, indeed anyone’s, advice on this in order that I can pass your judgment on to secretFLUXUStrevallyn who will be performing in the streets here at the edge on thursaday> June 24. Cheers, Ray worldSILLYweek June 18 to 28 2004 11 Days of sanctioned social transgression and serious pisstaking all in the cause of charity For More Information Contact Ray Norman eMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: On 21/6/04 5:29 PM, "secret fluxus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dear Ms. Forer, We don't recall whether Allan Revich signed one of his messages as Secret Fluxus, but he is not one of us. We have made the astonished discovery that artists in several places now claim to be members of Secret Fluxus. There is a simple way to tell who is NOT a member of Secret Fluxus. No one who claims to be a member of Secret Fluxus is one of us. The members of our little chamber orchestra are known only to one another and to a few family members who sometimes perform with us or join us in family picnics while we plan our activities. As Lord Russell would have noted, this makes it easy to know who is NOT Secret Fluxus while making it impossible to know who IS. We gather from the tone of Mr. Revich's communication that he does not wish anyone to mistake him for one of the four women or the four lovable moptops in our group. Of course, if we were Beatles Imitators, it would obviously leave room for a Yoko Ono Imitator in our midst. This raises a thorny issue, since we do not wish to imitate Fluxus artists. We only wish to perform their work. Sincerely, Secret Fluxus (The allusion to ?four lovable moptops? is a Silly Week joke. None of us is a moptop. One male has very long hair, the second is normal, our ?handsome Beatle? is bald ? or at least tonsured, and the solicitor looks even more normal than the normal one.) >Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 02:35:38 -0400 >From: Kathy Forer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Apologies to Alan Bowman > >On 6/20/04 2:06 PM, "secret fluxus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > We did not intend the mildly irate reply that we > > posted by misreading the header on his short note as the header for >Allan > > Revich's long note and harsh list of labels. > > >But is or isn't Allen Revich "one of you"? Has he not at one time signed >his >own messages as "Secret Fluxus"? > >Or was that some or another sort of mis/appropriation? > > > "Dear women and four Beatles imitators," _ Want to block unwanted pop-ups? Download the free MSN Toolbar now! http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/
FLUXLIST: Lord Russell's Pair of Dogs
Dear Ms. Forer, We don't recall whether Allan Revich signed one of his messages as Secret Fluxus, but he is not one of us. We have made the astonished discovery that artists in several places now claim to be members of Secret Fluxus. There is a simple way to tell who is NOT a member of Secret Fluxus. No one who claims to be a member of Secret Fluxus is one of us. The members of our little chamber orchestra are known only to one another and to a few family members who sometimes perform with us or join us in family picnics while we plan our activities. As Lord Russell would have noted, this makes it easy to know who is NOT Secret Fluxus while making it impossible to know who IS. We gather from the tone of Mr. Revich's communication that he does not wish anyone to mistake him for one of the four women or the four lovable moptops in our group. Of course, if we were Beatles Imitators, it would obviously leave room for a Yoko Ono Imitator in our midst. This raises a thorny issue, since we do not wish to imitate Fluxus artists. We only wish to perform their work. Sincerely, Secret Fluxus (The allusion to four lovable moptops is a Silly Week joke. None of us is a moptop. One male has very long hair, the second is normal, our handsome Beatle is bald or at least tonsured, and the solicitor looks even more normal than the normal one.) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 02:35:38 -0400 From: Kathy Forer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: FLUXLIST: Apologies to Alan Bowman On 6/20/04 2:06 PM, "secret fluxus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > We did not intend the mildly irate reply that we > posted by misreading the header on his short note as the header for Allan > Revich's long note and harsh list of labels. But is or isn't Allen Revich "one of you"? Has he not at one time signed his own messages as "Secret Fluxus"? Or was that some or another sort of mis/appropriation? > "Dear women and four Beatles imitators," _ Want to block unwanted pop-ups? Download the free MSN Toolbar now! http://toolbar.msn.co.uk/
