Re: FLUXLIST: A._S.L.O.T.H.

2000-11-07 Thread lopshine


. I probably shouldn't post the entire A._S.L.O.T.H. text. It's quite long,
. but I can send it directly to whoever is interested. (As a MS Word
. attachment preferably)
I would like to receive it, too. thnx.







Re: FLUXLIST: A._S.L.O.T.H.

2000-11-05 Thread Kraagink

In a message dated 11/3/00 8:35:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> A._S.L.O.T.H. text. It's quite long,
>  > > but I can send it directly to whoever is interested. (As a MS Word
>  > > attachment preferably
diittoo
please and thank you



Re: FLUXLIST: A._S.L.O.T.H.

2000-11-03 Thread alan bowman

yes please!


A._S.L.O.T.H. text. It's quite long,
> > but I can send it directly to whoever is interested. (As a MS Word
> > attachment preferably




RE: FLUXLIST: A._S.L.O.T.H.

2000-11-02 Thread Ceyda Karamürsel (Customertech-Yet.Uzm.)


hi aaron. i'm interested.
i'll be glad if you send that word attachment to:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

thank you.
ceyda


> I probably shouldn't post the entire A._S.L.O.T.H. text. It's quite long,
> but I can send it directly to whoever is interested. (As a MS Word
> attachment preferably)
> 
> Aaron



Re: FLUXLIST: A._S.L.O.T.H. MANIFESTO

2000-11-02 Thread NBBurr44

I think this well speaks to YOUR sensibility   which sounds very generous

but does not allow that there are many others, other ways and focusses 
towards art, or what we are getting at here as meaning "art"

or  meaning "meaning"!

when you speak of practicalities   isnt' that what it comes down to, when 
each artist person is working with their particular 
possibilities/talents/means/leanings

so that if one might wish to enter into the "abstract"  --- that is 
just as fine an avenue as "concrete" and off the street?  could 
even  refer to the same end, simply from an other view

I don't think it is so easy for everyone, as sometimes you feel it should be  
   --- and to call grappling with dilemmas like this simply a sort of 
fretting "anxiety"   well, just adds another fret to MY anxiety!!

trying to "get it" NBB




Re: FLUXLIST: A._S.L.O.T.H. MANIFESTO

2000-11-02 Thread David Baptiste Chirot





i think this discussion--

it betrays too much anxiety 

somehow to me is having too little faith in the work

maybe i am just getting to be old idiot anymore

i think the only questions with art are the practical ones

relations among the materials

how one works back and forth with them

and they with on

finding

not searching

the concrete --

ways the concrete opens

the materials in themselves already so vast dense fluid

so many so much and deep ongoing

"before one" be for one--"already here all the time"

rhythms forms letters shapes colors movements 

energy made visible

plenty enough questions and materials to work with


(for example recent inspiring and useful, enlightening discussion
sharing methods of making transfers--

changing from lighter fluid to acetone and of the materials methods

the different kinds of papers to use--so many--and how changed
with time--

whole new worlds of possibilities!

and sharing of knowledges leaned through practice by different
makers, workers--

all this is practical

the rest becomes beside the point

art can be made with anything at anytime

learning from the anything leads to particular things

learning from anytime leads to learning discipline

learning things and time

forms and rhythms

i live in continual chaos

so what--from things and time arranngements are found among the
materials

rhythms and forms

"it is not the elements which are new, it is the order of their
arrangement"--Blaise Pascal

is always best to be simple, which means truly thinking with
materials, the concrete--and from these finding the complexities, the
openings, what it is that one may make with the materials 
with the forms and rhythms

"with" them--together

i do think the rest becomes anxiety --

and is disruptive distracting and--discourse

there are no theories without practice

and with practice--is action, not "after the fact"

or "pre-determined"

not set limits

but limits one is among

which provoke,challenge, stimulate--

the things the moments the materials the rhythms the forms

light is simultanenously particle and wave

materials and work are particulars, discrete, concrete
--and wave, flowing in time--and with light, energy

-movements

working together


is "an exchange"--


as Don Cherry the jazz musician great trumpet player composer
player
of so many instruments reader of so many notations--

wd say:

"only a truly disciplined musician may play Free Jazz"

practice--and materials  


the study of sidewalk cracks--leads to new
scripts--arrangements--scorings--improvisations--with practice

Mayakovsky in HOW ARE VERSES MADE  noting how a poet

works continuously--and every occaision every street corner every sound
every word is material to be constantly worked with with the rhythms

the forms--

choice and "chance"--

out of chaos, noise--arises music
 
"the attention and the care"


actually in the early 1930s the great painter and ally with
Futurist poets Zaum poets ad worked with Mayakovsky on i think was 1912"
opera--

Malevich, Kasmir Malevich

wrote an essay on sloth

in a sense ironic as at the time so much emphasis on WORK and
SOCIALIST REALISM

--i.e.--the end in Russia of the great experimental arts and
poetries--

the 'SLOTH' of abstraction, imagination, etc--Transrational Zaum,
the end of Mayakovsky and so many others--literally--or their silence--

that subversive ability of the materials

simple as "white square on a white square"

to elude materialism

while being immensely practical

when being practised--

"Creation survives in fragments under the ruins of a world for
which we can no longer find expression>"

(W. Weidle, qtd Hans Richter, DADA ART AND ANTI-ART 214)


the fragments are the materials found

"laying about"-

from which arrangements of elements are made

with forms, rhythms--

ruins for which no longer expressions--made into something
other--presenting arrangements of lost expressions in "new found"
"orders'--"speaking--showing--telling--singing--dancing--living--to be
moved
among--

a great workshop is mail art--as has themes, sizes, deadlines--

and is non commercial non juried non returned--

   

Re: FLUXLIST: A._S.L.O.T.H. MANIFESTO

2000-11-02 Thread Aaron Kimberly

Cecil,
I'm not sure there are definitive answers to any of your questions but I'm
sure they will stimulate interesting debate. Debates like these tend to
bring up to the surface our values and assumptions - that's what I like
about them.

Personally speaking, I'm more interested in compassion than power. Somehow
that gets lost, even in Buddhism which speaks so much of it. It can turn
into a cool compliance and apathy, especially in the hands of the privileged
who want to be told "it's ok. You don't have to care about anyone else."
Unfortunately though, many political movements, as well meaning as they are,
are so invested in "Power" that they end up just alienating someone else in
the process. I've come to a point where I can't prioritize my concerns and
can't be everywhere at once. turning to my own psychology to test whether or
not I can really eliminate thinking which involves categorization and
evaluation seems adequate. But that involves engaging in the world not
withdrawing from it.

I think what's perhaps getting lost is the "play and fun". Why do we need
the validation of "work" to feel that art is worth making? This is a
question of *attitude* not activity. The fact that these ideas have
stimulated debate at all is because I think we're all struggling with this.
We're being told in our commodity society that we all have to be units of
productivity, in some way, and that art isn't productive. Rather than argue
"yes it is!" for eternity, why not take the strategic position that it's ok
to NOT  be useful by those standards. Who's values are those? Try bottling
passion and beauty. Eternity already comes in one.

A.


- Original Message -
From: cecil touchon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: FLUXLIST: A._S.L.O.T.H. MANIFESTO


"Art should problematize popular relationships: work/play,
usefulness/uselessness, public/private, engaged/dis-engaged etc. For
example, art creates tension where it is both commodity ("valuable") and
non-work ("useless" play). Art then, does not escape capitalism,
replacing it with a powerless utopia, but can problematize it with a
continuous re-negotiation of its power. Art has the potential to be a
constant thorn in the side of the status quo and, above all, to have
enormous fun while being there." Quote from A._S.L.O.T.H. MANIFESTO

Question #1 So did you write this document Aaron?

some comments/questions

Why should it problemize? And to whom would it become a problem?
Where's the tension between commodity and "useless play"?
It can only be a commodity when this useless play is happening within a
comodity driven society. I think the real tension is when EVERYONE is
engages in useless play and there is no way to sell, trade or barder
your objects because nobody has anything except their own useless
objects to trade you and we all eventually starve to death (which is a
possible solution for regaining a balance in the world.)

To be useless (engage in useless activity - I am not sure I would place
art in any form in this catagory) and to aspire toward revolution or
power do not go hand in hand.

To be useless means to have no value/use to others which can be
exploited. The best example I can think of is the old story (Taoist?
Zen?) of the old guy who sits under an old tree who comments that the
best thing is to be like the scraggily old tree that has so many knots
and the wood is so poor that no carpenter ever cut it down due to being
useless, thus it has its own life and lives to an old age due to its
'uselessness' to others. Its uselessness preserved it from harm.

The most potent form of revolution is changing one's self without regard
of others' actions or surrounding conditions. Thus, the pursuit of the
goals espoused by s.l.o.t.h. , it seems to me, are strictly individual
and should not encourage group effort or group support.

What would then constitute the desired change? Toward what would one
aspire if anything that would be worth the bother of changing one's
self? Once one has disengaged one's self from 'work' and livelihood,
what then does one do with one's time? I already know the "whatever one
want's" angle. I mean more specifically, what is worth doing. What is
worth engaging one's self in? What is worth aspiring toward?

I think the model of the sufi dervish is a good example of someone who
has withdrawn from work. Then there's the Buddhist idea of equinimity or
looking on all things with the same indifference, work, play, making
money, not making money, whatever.

As I said in a previous post, I basicly live like this I think but I
don't especially like being in abject poverty so I do devise ways of
working which allow me to make money. 

Re: FLUXLIST: A._S.L.O.T.H.

2000-11-02 Thread Rod Stasick

Cecil:

I agree/relate sooo much with what you are saying
here. I use, what could easily seem to others, a
complicated process based on chance operations
concerning the projects that I'm working on and
the time (incl. *amount* of time) in which to do
these things. So, I therefore create a *game*
situation whereby I, most of the time, don't feel
myself bogged down in *work*. 

The only overlap problem that I have is shutting
my mind off when it comes time for sleep - often
middle-of-the-night thoughts get me out of bed,
but I try not to start working again at that time,
but, rather, grab some type of reading material to
get me back into sleep-mode.

This YToyK year of new technology buys has kept me
extra busy in the sorting-out dept. and little
computer has had to be ignored in order to get
"REAL"(?) work/play done - tho', i guess,
infoknowledge thru others' ideas can be "real"
too!

R

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FLUXLIST: A._S.L.O.T.H. MANIFESTO

2000-11-02 Thread cecil touchon

"Art should problematize popular relationships: work/play,
usefulness/uselessness, public/private, engaged/dis-engaged etc. For
example, art creates tension where it is both commodity (“valuable”) and
non-work (“useless” play). Art then, does not escape capitalism,
replacing it with a powerless utopia, but can problematize it with a
continuous re-negotiation of its power. Art has the potential to be a
constant thorn in the side of the status quo and, above all, to have
enormous fun while being there." Quote from A._S.L.O.T.H. MANIFESTO

Question #1 So did you write this document Aaron?

some comments/questions

Why should it problemize? And to whom would it become a problem?
Where's the tension between commodity and "useless play"?
It can only be a commodity when this useless play is happening within a
comodity driven society. I think the real tension is when EVERYONE is
engages in useless play and there is no way to sell, trade or barder
your objects because nobody has anything except their own useless
objects to trade you and we all eventually starve to death (which is a
possible solution for regaining a balance in the world.)

To be useless (engage in useless activity - I am not sure I would place
art in any form in this catagory) and to aspire toward revolution or
power do not go hand in hand.

To be useless means to have no value/use to others which can be
exploited. The best example I can think of is the old story (Taoist?
Zen?) of the old guy who sits under an old tree who comments that the
best thing is to be like the scraggily old tree that has so many knots
and the wood is so poor that no carpenter ever cut it down due to being
useless, thus it has its own life and lives to an old age due to its
'uselessness' to others. Its uselessness preserved it from harm.

The most potent form of revolution is changing one's self without regard
of others' actions or surrounding conditions. Thus, the pursuit of the
goals espoused by s.l.o.t.h. , it seems to me, are strictly individual
and should not encourage group effort or group support.

What would then constitute the desired change? Toward what would one
aspire if anything that would be worth the bother of changing one's
self? Once one has disengaged one's self from 'work' and livelihood,
what then does one do with one's time? I already know the "whatever one
want's" angle. I mean more specifically, what is worth doing. What is
worth engaging one's self in? What is worth aspiring toward?

I think the model of the sufi dervish is a good example of someone who
has withdrawn from work. Then there's the Buddhist idea of equinimity or
looking on all things with the same indifference, work, play, making
money, not making money, whatever.

As I said in a previous post, I basicly live like this I think but I
don't especially like being in abject poverty so I do devise ways of
working which allow me to make money. I don't ever try getting money
from sources which do not directly exchange one thing for something of
mine based on the other's desires. In short, people desire art, some of
them desire my art, I do not mind fulfilling that desire by them paying
for the art which helps to reenforse the value of their desire for art.
I do not seek goverment grants, jobs, etc, but live on "God's good
graces" as they say and do not directly engage in any form of work with
the direct intention of reward. The reward part is out of my hands as I
do not directly participate in the sale of my works other than to make
them available to those who do wish to sell them. I personally believe
that there are spiritual forces at work that somehow ensure that I (and
my family that I support) are provided for so long as I leave myself in
a state of dependance and do not attempt to provide for myself by my own
hand. The "give us this day our daily bread" concept ( which also
includes the rent art supplies, money for clothes etc.).

Interesting topic which I would like to hear some PRACTICAL discussion
on. That is to say, a discussion of the idea as it is practiced.

Cecil




Re: FLUXLIST: A._S.L.O.T.H.

2000-11-02 Thread cecil touchon

yes me too!
cecil

Sol Nte wrote:

> >I probably shouldn't post the entire A._S.L.O.T.H. text. It's quite long,
> but I can send it directly to whoever is interested. (As a MS Word
> attachment preferably)<
>
> Please do send it directly to me...   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Thanks.
>
> >But then the art
> itself wasn't considered "work".<
>
> Well the key to exploring these issues is whether
> work = wage slavery or not.
>
> I believe certain forms of art can become standard forms of wage
> slavery...for instance when one starts applying for grants based on work you
> think is likely to get a grant rather than work that you have a passion for
> doing.
>
> It's an interesting set of issues you've brought up Aaron.  I shall reply
> further tomorrow ...
>
> cheers,
>
> Sol.

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Re: FLUXLIST: A._S.L.O.T.H.

2000-11-02 Thread Carol Starr

> hi aaron,
> please send me a copy, will i be able to read it on my mac?
> the subject of work is an interesting one for the artist; so often i feel that
> people think i'm playing, which is true, however they don't say it in a nice
> way but infer that their endeavors are much more worth while since they get
> paid to do it. also what i do is not always play...sometimes it is too
> difficult to be called that even by me, but i like it best when it really
> feels like play and should probably stop and watch the birds when it isn't.
> bye, carol
> 
> Aaron Kimberly wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > I probably shouldn't post the entire A._S.L.O.T.H. text. It's quite long,
> > but I can send it directly to whoever is interested. (As a MS Word
> > attachment preferably)
> >
> > Aaron

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Re: FLUXLIST: A._S.L.O.T.H.

2000-11-02 Thread Terrence Kosick

Terrence writes;

Finite and Infinite games. This is a book that i have read. It gave me
some meaning and insight into my creative processes and evidential
objects. It could be just the book to understand what work and art
activity can mean and what things gives meaning to a creative life. You
are what you do or what you do can give direction or perhaps meaning to
your art. Is your life your own when you work? Does it detract from your
life when you work to create a social environment, give your family
prestige or meaning to your existence or just some money to sustain you?

Do you work/ do art things/ recreate because you love it?  What is
necessary what is not?  Are each acts of devotion?  To what degree?

Personally my current business gave me a foot hold into my own studio.
Art could not provide me with it so fast.  The exchange of my art
activities for such utility is/ was not in place.   That is to say it my
art work is not valuable.  It and the time spent at doing it just has not
been put into the principle of exchange.  It does not fall into many
peoples ways of living and sustaining themselves and perhaps enters their
lives on a different level of envaluement.  What value is time if it is
for mere exchange for money and prestige?   What value is an art that
aspires to the same utility.  When your work is art, is work then play?

Perhaps Flux is not for mere exchange.   Flux just is evidence of
creative activities.  Fluxlist is play. I create because I can when I
can.   I create when i make the time available to do so.If you pulled
out a sketch book at work or took a photo of a desk, just as much time as
idle chat about the ball game, would it not define you would it not defy
the moment it took to do it.  Is it play?  Would it defy the time someone
is buying from you?   That productive moment would stand the test of time
as it is evidence by the sketch you would later hold.   It defies time as
it exists despite the constrains of time and how you value and use it in
exchange.  This is due to or even despite the fact you brought it forth
in the first place.  I does not matter when or how it occurs.  If you do
it, it is done.  You took the moment.  Whatever happens after is beside
the point of the act.   The art act enters in a new phase if it is
combined with other acts of exchange or collaboration, playfulness or
cultural acts.   It is what is evident that perception beholds.  Without
it what do you have?   Your time is your own.  You form things from it.
It is limited so  you try to use it wisely.  Play is as wise as working.

Artnatural

Owen Smith wrote:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED],.Internet writes:
>
> >I probably shouldn't post the entire A._S.L.O.T.H. text. It's quite
> >long,
> >but I can send it directly to whoever is interested. (As a MS Word
> >attachment preferably)
>
> Aaron - can you send me a copy of the entire doc at [EMAIL PROTECTED],
> thanks. . . .
>
> On the subject of Fluxus and play this is a very important point both
> for Fluxus as a historical entity and for those who seek to either
> perpetuate it or expand/extend it. One of my favorite books on this
> subject, that is on play, is the text by Peter Carse titled Finite and
> Infinite Games - it is available in a 4.00 paperback edition and a
> very quick read that is full of lots of thought provoking and
> insightful ideas - and I highly recommend it to all.
>
> Owen




Re: FLUXLIST: A._S.L.O.T.H.

2000-11-02 Thread Sol Nte

>I probably shouldn't post the entire A._S.L.O.T.H. text. It's quite long,
but I can send it directly to whoever is interested. (As a MS Word
attachment preferably)<

Please do send it directly to me...   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thanks.


>But then the art
itself wasn't considered "work".<

Well the key to exploring these issues is whether
work = wage slavery or not.

I believe certain forms of art can become standard forms of wage
slavery...for instance when one starts applying for grants based on work you
think is likely to get a grant rather than work that you have a passion for
doing.

It's an interesting set of issues you've brought up Aaron.  I shall reply
further tomorrow ...


cheers,

Sol.




Re: FLUXLIST: A._S.L.O.T.H.

2000-11-02 Thread Owen Smith

[EMAIL PROTECTED],.Internet writes:

>I probably shouldn't post the entire A._S.L.O.T.H. text. It's quite
>long,
>but I can send it directly to whoever is interested. (As a MS Word
>attachment preferably)

Aaron - can you send me a copy of the entire doc at [EMAIL PROTECTED],
thanks. . . . 

On the subject of Fluxus and play this is a very important point both
for Fluxus as a historical entity and for those who seek to either
perpetuate it or expand/extend it. One of my favorite books on this
subject, that is on play, is the text by Peter Carse titled Finite and
Infinite Games - it is available in a 4.00 paperback edition and a 
very quick read that is full of lots of thought provoking and
insightful ideas - and I highly recommend it to all.

Owen



Re: FLUXLIST: A._S.L.O.T.H.

2000-11-02 Thread cecil touchon

For me the ideal is to do what one would do as one's leisure in such a way that
is becomes one's work or at least appears to. That's what I do and have been
doing for ten years now with great success. I use the idea of work - schedule,
dedicated space, business technique etc. - to fund myself and too give the
appearance of working since so many need to know that what you do resembles
work. If you appear to be working, almost everyone respects that what you are
doing with your day in the privacy of your dedicated space (studio) is work even
though they have no idea - because they are working so hard - if what you are
doing is working or not. My wife has come to suspect that I may not be working
because she has noticed a disproportionate amount of time dedicated to the
computer where, she is sure, there is no product being made and thus no money
being earned but I assure her that in fact I am working. I tell her it is self
promotion or research or whatever comes to mind that sounds work like.
In my studio I only have a computer line and never give out the number so no one
can call me. I just let calls collect on my answering machine in my apartment
and occasionally review them and call galleries etc. when I am ready to have a
break from my leisure. I do 'take care of business' promptly when needed which
helps to keep myself funded and maintain the appearance of working and gives a
little impetus now and again. I have, at times gotten confused and thought I was
working and usually my art suffers deeply for that delusion so I have placed a
statement in my studio to help remind me if what my program is.
MAKE WHATEVER ART THAT YOU WANT, AS MUCH AS YOU WANT IN ANY MANOR OR STYLE THAT
YOU WANT. FOLLOW YOUR OWN IMPULSES, BE TRANQUIL, DO WHATEVER.

This helps me not be too self critical or self involved or worried about what
others make of what I am doing. I figure to just make lots and lots of art -
like I like to do - and then fashion shows out of whatever I have when the shows
come up. I have been following this plan for a couple of years now, inspired by
Picasso, to great effect except that I jack around on the computer too much. It
is too much like work so I am considering cutting back on the computer a bit
though I love it. There is a need, especially in leisure for balance and self
control since you have few controls imposed on you from an outside source.
Otherwize your life - when you live it however you wish from morning to night as
I do - can become a prison of your own lack of self direction.
cecil

Sol Nte wrote:

> Hi Aaron,
>
> Interesting text. Is art always play? Would it be possible to see the whole
> text (uncut)?
>
> Actually I'd forgotten about Bob Black and his call for the ludic revolution
> in "The Abolition of Work"...it's the best thing he ever wrote I think.
>
> Many have theorised against work. Bertrand Russell wrote a great deal
> against work, or more specifically against wage slavery..arguably not all
> work is of this form. Also Paul Lafargue's classic "The Right to be Lazy"
> extols the virtues of chilling out for a living...of course in those days
> scrounging from your friends was more socially acceptable but.
>
> Interestingly Fluxus extols hard work as a means to an end. Maciunas
> considered work important to fund the art projects carried out in one's
> "leisure time".
>
> cheers,
>
> Sol.

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Re: FLUXLIST: A._S.L.O.T.H.

2000-11-02 Thread Aaron Kimberly

> Interestingly Fluxus extols hard work as a means to an end. Maciunas
> considered work important to fund the art projects carried out in one's
> "leisure time".
>
> cheers,
> Sol.

Very true Sol. (and thanks for the additional resources) But then the art
itself wasn't considered "work".
Besides, how much did Maciunas really represent what every Fluxus artist
felt and practiced?
It's an interesting problem. Can art be only play if we need to make a
living? Do we live on the backs of those who do "work"? As a buddhist, I've
asked this about buddhist practice as well. When monks and nuns rely on lay
people to survive, do they ensure that not all people access an enlightened
path?

But A._S.L.O.T.H. is trying to resist in some way the whole work/play
dualism. It isn't proposing inactivity.

I probably shouldn't post the entire A._S.L.O.T.H. text. It's quite long,
but I can send it directly to whoever is interested. (As a MS Word
attachment preferably)

Aaron




Re: FLUXLIST: A._S.L.O.T.H.

2000-11-02 Thread Melissa McCarthy

Sol wrote, in part:
Maciunas
considered work important to fund the art projects carried out in one's
"leisure time".


I read recently Frank Zappa's advice on being a composer; the last 
instruction was along the lines of "Get a part-time job so you can afford to 
do this more often."

I lucked out -- the barter arrangement for my studio rent entails me being 
*physically* in my studio for a few hours at the same time every morning, 
and answering the phone for 2 small and not very busy businesses when it 
rings. So when I'm not answering phones, I'm able to do whatever I like.

My mother visited me recently, and we were both in the studio one morning -- 
I was making her a pin for her trip home, using matboard, glue, glitter, a 
chinese fortune cookie fortune and bright colored acrylics. She was not 
feeling well, and was curled up in a chair drinking tea. As I went back and 
forth between the work table and fetching supplies, she made a disgusted 
noise and said, "I thought you *worked* up here!"

Melissa




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Re: FLUXLIST: A._S.L.O.T.H.

2000-11-02 Thread Sol Nte

Hi Aaron,

Interesting text. Is art always play? Would it be possible to see the whole
text (uncut)?

Actually I'd forgotten about Bob Black and his call for the ludic revolution
in "The Abolition of Work"...it's the best thing he ever wrote I think.

Many have theorised against work. Bertrand Russell wrote a great deal
against work, or more specifically against wage slavery..arguably not all
work is of this form. Also Paul Lafargue's classic "The Right to be Lazy"
extols the virtues of chilling out for a living...of course in those days
scrounging from your friends was more socially acceptable but.

Interestingly Fluxus extols hard work as a means to an end. Maciunas
considered work important to fund the art projects carried out in one's
"leisure time".

cheers,

Sol.







Re: FLUXLIST: A._S.L.O.T.H.

2000-11-01 Thread Roger Stevens




All play
No work
I wear rose-coloured 
glasses
If I get the urge to 
work
I lie down till it 
passes


A found *business* card
 
NO 
PHONE    
NO ADDRESS
 
    NO 
BUSINESS - NO WORRIES
 
    WHEN I HAVE THE 
URGE TO WORK
    I LIE DOWN 'TIL 
THE URGE PASSES
 
    
CLEMENT E GALANTE
 
   
Retired
 
 CONSULTANT AND ADVISOR FOR LEIURE 
ACTIVITIES
 
    
STRENUOUS ACTIVITIES REFUSED
 
 

- Original Message - 
From: 
Aaron 
Kimberly 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 
6:42 PM
Subject: FLUXLIST: 
        A._S.L.O.T.H.

  
A._S.L.O.T.H. 
MANIFESTO
Artist’s Society  for Leisure and Other Thoughtful 
Hooplah
or,  
Artist’s Society Against Labour and Otherwise Tedious 
Humdrum...
 
 (EXCERPTS)
No One Should Ever 
Work.
Work is the source of nearly all the 
misery in the world. Almost any evil you’d care to name comes from 
working or from living in a world designed for work. In order to stop 
suffering, we have to stop working.
 


Re: FLUXLIST: A._S.L.O.T.H.

2000-11-01 Thread Patricia Harris Deane



A found *business* card
 
NO PHONE        
                
        NO ADDRESS
 
            NO 
BUSINESS - NO WORRIES
 
    WHEN I HAVE THE 
URGE TO WORK
        I LIE DOWN 'TIL THE URGE 
PASSES
 
            
    CLEMENT E GALANTE
 
            
            
Retired
 
 CONSULTANT AND ADVISOR FOR LEIURE 
ACTIVITIES
 
            
    STRENUOUS ACTIVITIES REFUSED
 
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Aaron 
  Kimberly 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 6:42 
  PM
  Subject: FLUXLIST: A._S.L.O.T.H.
  
    
  A._S.L.O.T.H. 
  MANIFESTO
  Artist’s Society  for Leisure and Other Thoughtful 
  Hooplah
  or,  Artist’s Society Against Labour and 
  Otherwise Tedious Humdrum...
   
   (EXCERPTS)
  No One Should Ever Work.
  Work is the source of nearly all the misery in 
  the world. Almost any evil you’d care to name comes from working or from 
  living in a world designed for work. In order to stop suffering, we have to 
  stop working.
   


FLUXLIST: A._S.L.O.T.H.

2000-11-01 Thread Aaron Kimberly



 
A._S.L.O.T.H. 
MANIFESTO
Artist’s Society  for Leisure and Other Thoughtful 
Hooplah
or,  Artist’s Society Against Labour and 
Otherwise Tedious Humdrum...
 
 (EXCERPTS)
No One Should Ever Work.
Work is the source of nearly all the misery in the 
world. Almost any evil you’d care to name comes from working or from living in a 
world designed for work. In order to stop suffering, we have to stop 
working.
That doesn’t mean we have to stop doing things. It 
does mean creating a new way of life based on play; in other words, a ludic 
conviviality, commensality, and art...Play isn’t passive. -- Bob 
Black
 In the spirit of play, we submit 
this Manifesto:
 A._S.L.O.T.H’s Mandate is simple: 

1. We reject all forms of work on the basis that 
they are not necessary components of a productive and fulfilling society; and 
accept that “to work” is to participate in the hierarchical structures in which 
we are alienated and alienate others.
 2. We resist the ways in which current 
activist models reinforce problems on a structural level by failing to give up 
work.
 3. We dedicate ourselves, above all, to the 
fine art of play.
 --cut--
 IV.  ART AND A NEW SOCIAL 
ORDER
Art is useless. For this reason, we pursue art 
inexhaustibly. 
 Many art movements of the past and present 
have situated themselves either in alliance with, or in opposition to, work. Da 
Vinci was a renowned procrastinator who was slow to complete paintings and who 
invented hundreds of useless objects. His notebooks overflow with accounts of 
time spent staring at clouds or plaster walls. Marcel Duchamp preferred chess to 
work. The few hours he would spend in his studio involved little more than the 
haphazard placement of art elements and it would take him years to complete a 
project such as the Large Glass. His “ready-mades” especially epitomize a bold 
hypothesis of work that anyone could replicate. Greenberg’s camp of Modernists 
also made useless art but isolated themselves with a strict “high art” vs. 
“kitsch” distinction. Rather than inspiring the working classes to be less 
“useful”, they alienated them and so did not problematize their relationship 
with any dominant order. Because the dominant voice is central, their art too 
quickly became ordinary. 
 Every oft-repeated act will eventually 
become “ordinary”. The best ones, though, change us in the 
process.
 In contrast, current Activist Art often 
becomes too usefully engaged, insisting on itself as work much in the same way 
as Liberalists lobby for equal economic opportunity. Because many of these 
movements emphasize their activist, rather than aesthetic merits, they 
undervalue the very transgressive nature of the aesthetic itself. The aesthetic 
IS a sensibility, IS a philosophy, IS political and need not, should not, be 
collapsed into any specific ideology.
 --cut--
 What Marxists call “Creative Labour” is a 
similar concept applied to all forms of activity. Creative Labour is an 
endeavour of passion and is therefore fulfilling. Einstein believed that while, 
at best, science could provide a means to an end, only personality could provide 
an end. In our society, individual personalities are muted by industry. Art can 
serve as a model for creative livelihood---a glimmer of humanity. We believe 
that better communities aren’t mass produced,  but are created slowly, by passionate 
means and together by individuals.
 As an Artist’s Society, we are dedicated to 
the aesthetic change of communities. The physical environments in which we live 
greatly influence the quality of our existence. The aesthetic and functional 
decay of our surroundings is internalized by individuals and communities, thus 
leading to social decay. Passionate play should be built, literally, into our 
lives. For this reason, A._S.L.O.T.H. calls upon the union of architects, 
engineers, gardeners, musicians, writers...anyone whose activities contribute 
aesthetically to our environments... to quit work and devote their skills to 
play.
 V.  MODELS OF BETTER 
COMMUNITIES
Co-operatives, collectives and the like are models 
of a new order. However, we provide this warning: not every organization that 
claims to be a co-operative actually is one. Many reproduce old distributions of 
power in new ways. It’s difficult to shed this tendency as these are often our 
only models of behaviour. Decisions made by consensus, for example, may, out of 
a sense of obligation or impatience, prevent full individual expression. Such 
residual effects, or “withdrawal symptoms”, will eventually be eliminated with 
patience and commitment to the process and not to the product.
 VI.  A._S.L.O.T.H. 
SUMMARY
“Play is always voluntary. What might otherwise be 
play is work if it is forced.” (Black)
- We defy compulsory production;
- We don’t want to end employment discrimination, 
we want to end work;
- We don’t want full employment, we demand full 
unemployment;
- We don’t care if bosses are men, women, black or 
white; we w