Re: FLUXLIST: mail art defined?
hi sol, thank you for all the information you sent, it should keep me busy for a while. until email i didn't know mail art existed so it is nice to explore something new. best regards, carol :) carol starr taos, new mexico, usa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FLUXLIST: mail art defined?
hi david, i am wondering about the site you recommend as all i get is a light blue background moving across the screen. am i missing something? i think so. at the bottom of the screen are ads for java. best regards, c:) carol starr taos, new mexico, usa [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sat, 17 Jun 2000, David Baptiste Chirot wrote: > > at the excellent web site of boek861 from Spain, you will find a > series > of thought provoking debates on what is mail art-- > > (John Held. Jr is one of those contributing, as is the great > Clemente Padin) > > http://www.fut.es/~boek861 > > I highly recommend this site > > you will also find galleries and documentations of events and > projects, visual poetry and much other information of events, > activities and theoretical/methodological questions concerning mail art > and visual poetry > as well as listings of zines, mail art calls and links > > onwo/ards! > > --dave baptiste chirot >
Re: FLUXLIST: mail art defined?
Sol: and all: YES! Vortice! "si"-- also excellent for visual poetry--essays, examples, history, links-- one of best sites i know for all these and much more in relation to contemporary poetries and practises-- Light and Dust Mobile Anthology of Poetry http://www.thing.net/~grist/homekarl.htm see also terrific latest issue of Riding the Meridian, with interivews, works, essays etc re visual and sound poetries http://www.heelstone.com/meridian Horace (i believe) defined poetry as instruction & deliight these to be found in abundance at these sites-- --davebc On Tue, 20 Jun 2000, Sol Nte wrote: > >Thank you Sol for the instructve and invitational text.< > > Well, David thanks for your reminder of others(boek861) and while we're > throwing out links I also forgot vortice of course > http://www.vorticeargentina.com.ar/ > > Your mention of visual poetry reminded me, thanks. > > cheers, > > Sol. > >
Re: FLUXLIST: mail art defined?
>Thank you Sol for the instructve and invitational text.< Well, David thanks for your reminder of others(boek861) and while we're throwing out links I also forgot vortice of course http://www.vorticeargentina.com.ar/ Your mention of visual poetry reminded me, thanks. cheers, Sol.
Re: FLUXLIST: mail art defined?
> Absolutely. Well said. I've only just begun.(she said, lapsing into an old song by the Carpenters - definitely time to go to work). Bless, PK > > the best way to learn of mail art is to participate > > --dave baptiste chirot > >
Re: FLUXLIST: mail art defined?
Thank you Sol for the instructve and invitational text. I apologize for repeating a previous post, but there is also currently a debate on mail art going on at boek861 web site. This site has web archive also of mail art, zines, links, calls, galleries I would very highly recommend it. http://www.fut.es/~boek861 this site also has much on visual poetry the phi.lu site Sol mentioned is also excellent, and those which Ruud does-- the best way to learn of mail art is to participate --dave baptiste chirot
Re: FLUXLIST: mail art defined?
Hi all, I'm really surprised how little response there's been to the idea of defining mail art. Are we reconciled to it as an impossible task? Actually I don't think it's anywhere near as hard as defining Fluxus. Your view of mail art depends on where you see its beginnings. There are two really: Ray Johnson and Fluxus. Ray Johnson's mail art was a closed activity he always invited people to join his New York Correspondence school, one couldn't just take part. On the other hand Fluxus mail art activity was always open, anyone could taken part and lists of those involved were circulated so that people could make their own contacts. Of course this is a simplified vision of the beginnings of it all. Carol asked what mail art was originally, well Carol in many ways the Fluxlist Box was like a mail art project...the only thing that distinguished it was our original intent in creating it within the context of a continuum of Fluxus multiple production. Imagine a project like the box where someone puts out an initial piece of paper/flyer asking for anyone interested to send 50 works for a box saying that each participating artist will receive a box containing one of his or her own submitted pieces plus one piece from each other participating artistthat's a mail art project..people do the same thing with zines e.g. submit 20 copies of a page for an assembled book, you will receive a copy of the book which will contain your page plus pages from the 19 other participants. Carol to get an idea of mail art projects check out Fan Mail's listing at http://www.phi.lu/mailartinfo.html You and anyone else can participate in any of these. The way Roger organised the poetry book was like a mail art project. Check out Alice's (aka Dragonfly Dream) site for intros to mail art and some of her projects...her work and approach are very different from the John Held side of things. http://www.dragonflydream.com/ This site by a lady named ZenaZero is particularly interesting because she got into mail art via the web http://home.planet.nl/~tineds/ For some years now Ruud Jansen (who is on the list incidentally) has been interviewing mail artists about what they do and think, you can read them at http://www.faximum.com/jas.d/lib_tam.htm Ruud's own site is at http://www.geocities.com/Paris/4947/ and worth looking at to get a picture of what mail art is. All the above however are examples of the way in which mail art works today which evolved from the open approach to mail art that came from Fluxus. In the mail art I have done and still do I must admit that I'm much closer to what Ray Johnson did. I don't take part in that many projects(almost none these days) instead I exchange work with various individuals whose work I either see elsewhere or whose name I see somewhere in documentation of mail art activity, or sometimes with people I meet face to face or via the web. I like doing this much more and it means that I don't have to rush work. Some people contribute to lots of projects and rush their correspondance because of it. I take my time, in the past I've taken several months to reply to someone but normally when I do they can expect something that I've thought about and spent some time on and think they'd like. This isn't the majority way of operating in the mail art network but there are others who work like this. One other resource you should look at on the web is Artpool's selection of Ray Johnson correspondence..great stuff http://www.artpool.hu/Ray/7/7.html http://www.artpool.hu/Ray/5/add.html http://www.artpool.hu/Ray/raymap.html So what is mail art? Well what it says I think, I believe it is as simple as art through the mail, the depth comes from the myriad ways people have found to execute this simple practice. In historical terms Ray Johnson is the father of mail art since he was the first person to make a lot of noise about sending art to people through the post...of course he's not the first or the last person to do this but his character and interesting art styles have made him a personification of the practice of mail art itself...at the end of the day we all need a few heroes and I think Ray fits the bill quite nicely. Anyway, hope this is food for though Carol, and maybe others wil find some use in it. cheers, Sol.
Re: FLUXLIST: mail art defined?
Hi Carol: I hope you get as much out of this as I did. I really admire John Held, Jr. and his writings - he's had quite a life, and the more I read, the more I learn and we are blessed that he writes about it in such a concise and poetic manner. I spoke with him tonight and he's perforating our stamps!!! So, I will post more later to the fluxstamp project artistes, got to start printing. I picture you and Kikusan in your portal in the shade. Nice, you two pals Bests, PK Carol Starr wrote: > hi PK, > thanks for the site. i printed it so i can read it out on the portal in > the shade as it is one of my favorite reading places and i want to think > about this. i learned of mail art about 5 years ago and have had a loose > idea of what it is but this will help clarify. > cu, c :) > > carol starr > taos, new mexico, usa > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On Fri, 16 Jun 2000, Patricia wrote: > > Interview with John Held, Jr. - > > > > http://www.artnetwork.com/mailart/interview.html > > > >
Re: FLUXLIST: mail art defined?
hi PK, thanks for the site. i printed it so i can read it out on the portal in the shade as it is one of my favorite reading places and i want to think about this. i learned of mail art about 5 years ago and have had a loose idea of what it is but this will help clarify. cu, c :) carol starr taos, new mexico, usa [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Fri, 16 Jun 2000, Patricia wrote: > Interview with John Held, Jr. - > > http://www.artnetwork.com/mailart/interview.html > >
Re: FLUXLIST: mail art defined?
at the excellent web site of boek861 from Spain, you will find a series of thought provoking debates on what is mail art-- (John Held. Jr is one of those contributing, as is the great Clemente Padin) http://www.fut.es/~boek861 I highly recommend this site you will also find galleries and documentations of events and projects, visual poetry and much other information of events, activities and theoretical/methodological questions concerning mail art and visual poetry as well as listings of zines, mail art calls and links onwo/ards! --dave baptiste chirot On Fri, 16 Jun 2000, Patricia wrote: > i would like a definition of mail art if someone is so inclined, > it > seems to me it is more than just smail mail. > cu, c :) > > carol starr > taos, new mexico, usa > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Interview with John Held, Jr. - > > http://www.artnetwork.com/mailart/interview.html > >
FLUXLIST: mail art defined?
i would like a definition of mail art if someone is so inclined, it seems to me it is more than just smail mail. cu, c :) carol starr taos, new mexico, usa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interview with John Held, Jr. - http://www.artnetwork.com/mailart/interview.html
