DO NOT REPLY [Bug 33126] New: - [PATCH] updated documentation in /src/documentation/content/xdocs/DnI/areatree.xml

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   Summary: [PATCH] updated documentation in
/src/documentation/content/xdocs/DnI/areatree.xml
   Product: Fop
   Version: 1.0dev
  Platform: PC
OS/Version: Linux
Status: NEW
  Severity: normal
  Priority: P2
 Component: documentation
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bonjour fop-dev
i did some update of this documentation. i'm not sure about the last paragraph,
please correct it.
renaud

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DO NOT REPLY [Bug 33126] - [PATCH] updated documentation in /src/documentation/content/xdocs/DnI/areatree.xml

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commit to fop

2005-01-16 Thread Renaud Richardet
bonjour fop-devs

bertrand delacretaz told me you might welcome some help on fop. I
would be pleased to contribute.

*** why fop ***
- i'm very interested in xml and java
- i believe in open-source and wish to contribute to a project
- bertrand told me you were a good team

*** me ***
you can get my background at www.oslutions.com/about

*** documentation ***
please could you tell me about the state of the following documentations:
- xml.apache.org/fop/dev: this documentation refers to 0.20, right?
- cvs/... /xdocs/DnI: simon, thanks a lot for your xdoc DnI, it really
helped me diving into the code. some parts of it have changed. i
started to update it and made a patch for chapter 4.1 , you can find
it attached to bug 33126. if it's useful for you, i'll continue.
- fop-wiki (http://wiki.apache.org/xmlgraphics-fop/FOPProjectPages)
seems pretty up to date. please tell me if  FOPProjectTasks and
FOPWorkEstimates are up to date.
- are there some more key-docs?

*** plans ***
(thinking loud)
i plan to start with some documentation update. i see there is a brand
new site at xmlgraphics.apache.org/ to do.
what about rtf-rendering? is peter herweg still active on it?
i'm open, so please give me some hints on where i could start


as i am pretty new to open-source developpment, please let me know if
i'm doing things the right way.

have a nice weekstart
greetings from switzerland
renaud


Re: commit to fop

2005-01-16 Thread Jeremias Maerki
Salut Renaud

On 16.01.2005 23:46:10 Renaud Richardet wrote:
 bonjour fop-devs
 
 bertrand delacretaz told me you might welcome some help on fop. I
 would be pleased to contribute.

Always welcome!!!

 *** why fop ***
 - i'm very interested in xml and java
 - i believe in open-source and wish to contribute to a project
 - bertrand told me you were a good team

 *** me ***
 you can get my background at www.oslutions.com/about

Hopp Schwiiz! :-)

 *** documentation ***
 please could you tell me about the state of the following documentations:
 - xml.apache.org/fop/dev: this documentation refers to 0.20, right?

Mostly general FOP development info, but the design part is about FOP
CVS HEAD aka 1.0dev aka redesign.

 - cvs/... /xdocs/DnI: simon, thanks a lot for your xdoc DnI, it really
 helped me diving into the code. some parts of it have changed. i
 started to update it and made a patch for chapter 4.1 , you can find
 it attached to bug 33126. if it's useful for you, i'll continue.

I'll let Simon answer that.

 - fop-wiki (http://wiki.apache.org/xmlgraphics-fop/FOPProjectPages)
 seems pretty up to date. please tell me if  FOPProjectTasks and
 FOPWorkEstimates are up to date.

FOPProjectTasks is awfully out of date, but FOPWorkEstimates is
up-to-date. I'm working on that task list ATM. Feel free to update
FOPProjectTasks.

 - are there some more key-docs?

not to my knowledge, except the XSL spec, of course. :-)

 *** plans ***
 (thinking loud)
 i plan to start with some documentation update. i see there is a brand
 new site at xmlgraphics.apache.org/ to do.

Actually, there's not much to do there. The FOP and Batik sites stay
where they are for the moment but may eventually move over under
xmlgraphics.apache.org. Actually, it wouldn't be so bad if they did as
long as we can do a proper redirection for people with bookmarks.

 what about rtf-rendering? is peter herweg still active on it?

I'm afraid not. I've done a few things during the last months but
haven't got much time for that part right now. But I'll get back to this
part eventually.

 i'm open, so please give me some hints on where i could start

We are, too. Tell us what you're interested in. A relatively easy thing
to start with (if you like data formats) is to work on the PostScript
and Java2D/AWT renderers. Or else, just pick something from a todo list
and start hacking and sending patches against CVS HEAD.

 as i am pretty new to open-source developpment, please let me know if
 i'm doing things the right way.

So far so good. Just ask if you need help.

 have a nice weekstart
 greetings from switzerland
 renaud


Greetings from Lucerne
Jeremias Maerki



Re: another nose for the grindstone

2005-01-16 Thread Peter B. West
Mark,
Project Defoe http://defoe.sourceforge.net/, formerly Fop alt-design, 
is focussed on a Java 2D renderer, robust and complete.  By complete I 
mean, in particular, able to correctly handle last-page, keeps, table 
auto-layout and large files.  Don't make the mistake of thinking that, 
because FOP has been around for a long time, it is only the place to be 
for open source XSL-FO development.  Rather, ask why, if it has been 
around for such a long time, these problems haven't been solved.  Don't 
make the mistake of thinking that all software problems are solved by 
simply applying more resources.

Having said that, let me add that the project seems to have found its 
shepherd, in the form of Finn Bock.  Many of the long-standing 
innovations of alt-design in the property handling have at last been 
introduced by Finn, who has the happy knack of being able to completely 
rewrite large chunks of FOP by applying a wide-ranging but complete set 
of changes.  He may well solve FOP's remaining critical problems in the 
same way.

The point is, that FOP needs a major design overhaul.  I'm doing that at 
Defoe, and Finn is doing it, piecemeal, at FOP.  His focus though is not 
on Java 2D, and getting a complete and robust implementation of the 2D 
renderer will depend on Finn's new design.  If you want to know more 
about where FOP is headed, ask Finn.

Defoe is Java 5.0 based.  If that doesn't work for you, don't bother 
with Defoe.  Otherwise, if you are interested in avenues for your XSL-FO 
development efforts, I am happy to talk to you.

Peter
Mark Brucks wrote:
I'd like to join the fop development group.  I've been an xsl/fop user 
for the last year or so (generating PDF), but several new projects I'm 
proposing have a need for a robust and complete awt renderer, and I'd 
like to devote some time to ensuring this happens.  I have a little bit 
of time in the near term to commit to the project, and I hope much more 
time starting in the April time frame.  I'd like to use the next 2 
months to come up to speed, then dive in to serious work when more time 
is available.

I need some advice.  I've learned enough about xsl and fop to get my job 
done, but there are lots of holes in my knowledge base.  I'd like to 
spend a little bit of time carefully reading the XSL spec.  Should I 
read the XSL V1.1 working draft (in anticipation of things to come), or 
should I stick with the V1.0 recommendation (which I assume is what the 
new version of fop will implement).

Do the development and design documents that are available on-line 
relate to the root/trunk/redesign version, or do they still describe the 
maintenance branch?

Is there a development schedule or a prioritized list of features to be 
implemented?

Is anybody else actively working on the awt rendered for the next release?
Since this is my first foray into open-source development, any and all 
advice is welcome.

Thanks - Mark Brucks