Re: Hyphenation files with suitable licencing conditions
HI Olivier, yes I agree it would be nice to include some hyphenation files in the FOP distribution. The author of the file would need to submit an ICLA, which would be an official declaration that the copyright is handed over to Apache. Thanks, Chris On 24/11/2021 21:36, Olivier Cailloux wrote: Dear FOP developers, As you know, hyphenation files are not distributed with FOP for licencing reasons (https://fop-dev.markmail.org/search/?q=lppl#query:lppl+page:1+mid:oov35g53cjfk4vcm+state:results ). I guess everybody agree that it would be good to have at least some of these files licenced in a way that is appropriate for including them back in the FOP trunk. Am I correct? As a first attempt towards that goal, I have targeted the french hyphenation file (https://svn.lal.in2p3.fr/LCG/QWG/External/offo-hyphenation-fop-1.0/licenses.html#fr ). The file frhyph.tex mentions that it is “available for free and can used and redistributed asis for free. Modified versions should have another name.” So the only remaining problem was with the author of french.lh (http://jeffreykingston.id.au/) as he had not given specific licencing information, and the file french.lh is part of Lout, under GPL. I just contacted him and he wrote to me that he modified only the first part of the file (the rest as we know is what became the frhyph.tex file), and that he is ready to place his modifications into the public domain (here is the exact quote: “File french.lh was not really made by me. There is a small amount of trivial stuff at the top that I added, but when you get down to line 63 it is just a TeX hyphenation file written by someone else. So that makes the license not my business, I believe. The first 62 lines were made by me and I hereby place them into the public domain.”) I assume there would be some paper work and possibly a required check that that author really has the copyright (and not, for example, the company producing Lout)? But I thought I’d better contact you before pursuing with this endeavor. Please tell me if you would agree to integrate some of these hyphenation files back in the main FOP software, assuming the licencing issues can be solved; and if so, tell me what I should ask this author or whether you want to contact him directly. If this works, I consider also working towards including English and Spanish files, so that FOP would have hyphenation for three popular languages working out of the box and with non restrictive licencing. .
Re: Hyphenation files with suitable licencing conditions
Le jeudi 25 novembre 2021 à 09:01 +, Chris Bowditch a écrit : > HI Olivier, > > yes I agree it would be nice to include some hyphenation files in the > FOP distribution. > > The author of the file would need to submit an ICLA, which would be an > official declaration that the copyright is handed over to Apache. The author initially had written to me: “The first 62 lines were made by me and I hereby place them into the public domain.” Following your suggestion, I wrote to him again, asking for an ICLA and to confirm to me that he has the copyright on that work. To which he replied the following. “Sorry, I'm not into paperwork. I've already stated in an email that I have placed those lines into the public domain. And I did write them myself and I was not contracted to anyone else.” Is there anything we can do? It seems reasonable to me to reuse this file even without proper ICLA, as the author has clearly stated his intent. I can of course forward our e-mail conversation to interested developers.
Re: Hyphenation files with suitable licencing conditions
Hi Olivier, Thanks for trying. Unfortunately the Apache Legal team will require an ICLA before this file can be accepted into our code base Thanks, Chris On 02/12/2021 09:37, Olivier Cailloux wrote: Le jeudi 25 novembre 2021 à 09:01 +, Chris Bowditch a écrit : HI Olivier, yes I agree it would be nice to include some hyphenation files in the FOP distribution. The author of the file would need to submit an ICLA, which would be an official declaration that the copyright is handed over to Apache. The author initially had written to me: “The first 62 lines were made by me and I hereby place them into the public domain.” Following your suggestion, I wrote to him again, asking for an ICLA and to confirm to me that he has the copyright on that work. To which he replied the following. “Sorry, I'm not into paperwork. I've already stated in an email that I have placed those lines into the public domain. And I did write them myself and I was not contracted to anyone else.” Is there anything we can do? It seems reasonable to me to reuse this file even without proper ICLA, as the author has clearly stated his intent. I can of course forward our e-mail conversation to interested developers. .
Re: Hyphenation files with suitable licencing conditions
Le lundi 06 décembre 2021 à 10:05 +, Chris Bowditch a écrit : > Thanks for trying. Unfortunately the Apache Legal team will require an > ICLA before this file can be accepted into our code base Are you sure? The Apache policy, https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html, reads: “You can include works in the public domain (or covered by a license treated similarly) within Apache products. (…) A work should be treated as being in the public domain when (…) the work is covered by (…) a suitable dedication (to the public domain) by the authors”. Another option would include me publishing that file on a GitHub repository of my own with a clear Public Domain indication (with due credits to the author, of course) so that FOP could then reuse that.
Re: Hyphenation files with suitable licencing conditions
Le lundi 06 décembre 2021 à 17:43 +0100, Olivier Cailloux a écrit : > Le lundi 06 décembre 2021 à 10:05 +, Chris Bowditch a écrit : > > Thanks for trying. Unfortunately the Apache Legal team will require an > > ICLA before this file can be accepted into our code base > > Are you sure? The Apache policy, > https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html, reads: “You can include > works in the public domain (or covered by a license treated similarly) > within Apache products. (…) A work should be treated as being in the > public domain when (…) the work is covered by (…) a suitable dedication > (to the public domain) by the authors”. > > Another option would include me publishing that file on a GitHub > repository of my own with a clear Public Domain indication (with due > credits to the author, of course) so that FOP could then reuse that. I meant: I could publish that file under a suitable license that respects the decision of all preceding authors; and sign an ICLA to Apache, if necessary. I fail to see a reason that FOP could not include that file, then.
RE: Hyphenation files with suitable licencing conditions
Hi, You cant change the licence of something, you would need to get the original author to publish under apache or bsd licence. GPL licence is not compatible with Apache licence. Thanks -Original Message- From: Olivier Cailloux Sent: 07 December 2021 10:06 To: fop-dev@xmlgraphics.apache.org Subject: Re: Hyphenation files with suitable licencing conditions Le lundi 06 décembre 2021 à 17:43 +0100, Olivier Cailloux a écrit : > Le lundi 06 décembre 2021 à 10:05 +, Chris Bowditch a écrit : > > Thanks for trying. Unfortunately the Apache Legal team will require > > an ICLA before this file can be accepted into our code base > > Are you sure? The Apache policy, > https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html, reads: “You can include > works in the public domain (or covered by a license treated similarly) > within Apache products. (…) A work should be treated as being in the > public domain when (…) the work is covered by (…) a suitable > dedication (to the public domain) by the authors”. > > Another option would include me publishing that file on a GitHub > repository of my own with a clear Public Domain indication (with due > credits to the author, of course) so that FOP could then reuse that. I meant: I could publish that file under a suitable license that respects the decision of all preceding authors; and sign an ICLA to Apache, if necessary. I fail to see a reason that FOP could not include that file, then.
Re: Hyphenation files with suitable licencing conditions
Le mardi 07 décembre 2021 à 10:24 +, Simon Steiner a écrit : > You cant change the licence of something, you would need to get the > original author to publish under apache or bsd licence. > GPL licence is not compatible with Apache licence. The author that owns the copyright agrees to put his work in the public domain. That work is therefore no more constrained by the GPL licence.
Re: Hyphenation files with suitable licencing conditions
Hi Olivier, We (the FOP PMC) are not legal experts. The guidance we have suggests an ICLA is required for the work being submitted. However, feel free to e-mail le...@apache.org and CC fop-dev on this matter to see what alternative arrangement might be possible Thanks, Chris On 07/12/2021 11:04, Olivier Cailloux wrote: Le mardi 07 décembre 2021 à 10:24 +, Simon Steiner a écrit : You cant change the licence of something, you would need to get the original author to publish under apache or bsd licence. GPL licence is not compatible with Apache licence. The author that owns the copyright agrees to put his work in the public domain. That work is therefore no more constrained by the GPL licence. .