Re: [fossil-users] File dates

2011-03-28 Thread Ron Aaron
On 03/28/2011 08:17 PM, Volodya Savastiouk wrote:
> Does anybody else feel this is a useful feature/option?

I do, yes.

> thanks for fossil, I love it!
>

Me too!

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Re: [fossil-users] File dates

2011-03-28 Thread Bill Burdick
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Volodya Savastiouk  wrote:

> I've raised this issue before with little success, although a few people
> responded in
> support of the idea.
> The issue is the file dates being always today's date whenever one
> downloads a copy from
> the repository or simply opens a local copy. I'd really like to either see
> the file dates
> being the date of the last update or at least have an option of saving the
> update date in
> the filename so I can use that info and force the file date myself.
> I figure that all of the necessary information is already in the database
> and the only
> step that's missing is a call to the file system for the file's date/time
> update after it
> is re-created from the database.
> Does anybody else feel this is a useful feature/option?
>
> thanks for fossil, I love it!
>


Oh, wow, I didn't notice that -- haven't been using Fossil for that long.
 Yes, that's definitely important!


Bill
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Re: [fossil-users] File dates

2011-03-28 Thread Joerg Sonnenberger
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 02:17:10PM -0400, Volodya Savastiouk wrote:
> The issue is the file dates being always today's date whenever one
> downloads a copy from the repository or simply opens a local copy.

This was discussed a while ago and I think the agreement was:
(1) Initial open may use the time of last modification for a file.
One problem is that finding this can be quite expensive.

(2) All changes due to updated etc should use the current time.
This is the same behavior as other VCS and required to not break make
etc.

Noone has stepped up yet to implement (1) :)

Joerg
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Re: [fossil-users] File dates

2011-03-28 Thread Volodya Savastiouk
On 2:59 PM, Joerg Sonnenberger wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 02:17:10PM -0400, Volodya Savastiouk wrote:
>> The issue is the file dates being always today's date whenever one
>> downloads a copy from the repository or simply opens a local copy.
> This was discussed a while ago and I think the agreement was:
> (1) Initial open may use the time of last modification for a file.
> One problem is that finding this can be quite expensive.
>
> (2) All changes due to updated etc should use the current time.
> This is the same behavior as other VCS and required to not break make
> etc.
>
> Noone has stepped up yet to implement (1) :)
>
> Joerg
>
OK, thanks to Joerg for clarifying the situation. I will have a look at the 
Fossil code to 
assess if I can contribute.

Vl@dimir
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Re: [fossil-users] File dates

2011-03-28 Thread Mike Meyer
On Mon, 28 Mar 2011 14:17:10 -0400
Volodya Savastiouk  wrote:

> I've raised this issue before with little success, although a few people 
> responde> The issue is the file dates being always today's date whenever one 
> downloads a copy from 
> the repository or simply opens a local copy. I'd really like to either see 
> the file dates 
> being the date of the last update or at least have an option of saving the 
> update date in 
> the filename so I can use that info and force the file date myself.
> I figure that all of the necessary information is already in the database and 
> the only 
> step that's missing is a call to the file system for the file's date/time 
> update after it 
> is re-created from the database.
> Does anybody else feel this is a useful feature/option?

As noted, this breaks build systems that compare file dates to see if
a file needs to be recompiled. As such, this feature is dangerous.

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Re: [fossil-users] File dates

2011-03-28 Thread Volodya Savastiouk
On 2:59 PM, Mike Meyer wrote:
> As noted, this breaks build systems that compare file dates to see if
> a file needs to be recompiled. As such, this feature is dangerous.
>
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Re: [fossil-users] File dates

2010-12-06 Thread Lluís Batlle i Rossell
On Mon, Dec 06, 2010 at 01:25:49PM -0500, Volodya Savastiouk, MSC wrote:
>   Hello everybody,
> 
> I am mew to Fossil, but very impressed by what it can do, so a big thank 
> you to everybody involved in the development!
> One thing that would really help me (and hopefully others) is if it were 
> possible to get the files from a Fossil repository with the date 
> attribute set to the date of the latest known change.  Right now, the 
> date of all files is that of the day of the file retrieval.  Even if it 
> only worked for zip archives, that'd be fantastic.

A usual problem from this date behaviour explained by Volodya is that it's
impossible to get repeatibility on the zip file stream for a particular version.

Linux distributions usually point their build recipes to an URL to download and
a hash for the file contents to be downloaded - and if that hash changes at
every download, it makes the build recipes more difficult.

Thank you,
Lluís.
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