Re: [Foundation-l] Proposal: Commons Force
wiki-li...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: > Firstly, people are NOT meant to be uploading content to flickr that > they did not take themselves. They do, though. > If someone blogs the photo from flickr > then the flickr system will tag it as the work of the account that IOW > it will be falsely attributed, and the downstream user will be in > violation of the CC license. > True. > Secondly, just because YOU think something is PD or licensed under > Creative Commons does not mean that it is in reality so. For example > many images on flickr have been lifted from the web and the account > uploading them falsely applies a CC license to everything uploaded. > > If that was true, it would mean that any worrying about licensing on Commons is void as well, because after all, "just because some Commons user thinks something is public domain doesn't mean it really is". Obviously, there *are* lots of cases where media files clearly are copyrighted, and cases where they are clearly in public domain. Those cases are the interesting ones, and the one we should focus on. Cheers, Jovan Cormac ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Proposal: Commons Force
Jovan Cormac wrote: > Michael, I'm afraid you didn't understand the proposal. > > The proposal has nothing to do whatsoever with people contributing to > Commons not being educated about licenses. It's about contacting to > people *outside* of Commons, people who may not be involved in any > Wikimedia project, and tell them about PD or CC media wrongly tagged > with copyright notices *on their own websites* or their accounts on > media archives like Flickr. > > Please read again if in doubt. > Firstly, people are NOT meant to be uploading content to flickr that they did not take themselves. If someone blogs the photo from flickr then the flickr system will tag it as the work of the account that IOW it will be falsely attributed, and the downstream user will be in violation of the CC license. Secondly, just because YOU think something is PD or licensed under Creative Commons does not mean that it is in reality so. For example many images on flickr have been lifted from the web and the account uploading them falsely applies a CC license to everything uploaded. Leave well alone. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Proposal: Commons Force
Jovan Cormac, 06/09/2009 20:37: > The proposal has nothing to do whatsoever with people contributing to > Commons not being educated about licenses. It's about contacting to > people *outside* of Commons, people who may not be involved in any > Wikimedia project, and tell them about PD or CC media wrongly tagged > with copyright notices *on their own websites* or their accounts on > media archives like Flickr. A > Michael Dale wrote: >> [...] small interactive quiz or 30-60 sec videos [...] may help, however. Nemo ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] FlaggedRevs on Hungarian Wikipedia still not working
I checked on it today and saw that this bug is marked resolved. Tisza, is it working to hu.WP's satisfaction now? Birgitte SB --- On Fri, 8/28/09, Tisza Gergő wrote: > From: Tisza Gergő > Subject: [Foundation-l] FlaggedRevs on Hungarian Wikipedia still not working > To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Cc: wikitec...@lists.wikimedia.org > Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 6:24 PM > The autoreview feature for > FlaggedRevs does not work in the Hungarian > Wikipedia because of a configuration problem with a group > name. This > causes a lot of extra work for the patrollers, and a lot of > extra > waiting for everyone else for their edits to appear. > > It has been about forty days since I filed a bug about > this; in the > meantime, I asked twice for help on wikitech-l (not to > mention the > several personal emails and IRC messages I and other > Hungarian editors > sent). After my first wikitech-l mail, there was a short > and > unsuccessful attempt to fix the problem without actually > understanding > what we asked for; before and after, in those seven weeks, > nothing > happened. > > This is very disappointing. To fix the bug, one would need > to replace > all occurrences of 'confirmed' with 'trusted' in the huwiki > flagrev > config file - that takes about 20 seconds. If one wanted to > be > thorough about it and move users from the old group to the > new, one > would need to construct an appropriate SQL query - maybe 5 > more > minutes. There are about a hundred patrollers on > hu.wikipedia > (including admins). If we suppose they only have to work > one extra > minute a day each (a very unrealistic lower estimation), > that adds up > to about sixty hours. Which is about a thousand times > twenty seconds. > > Is staff time really a thousand times more valuable than > volunteer > time, so that no one can be bothered to make this trivial > fix, even if > many hours of other people's time could be spared? I'm > aware it is > summer, and Wikimania is going on, and everyone has a lot > on their > hands, but even so I can't believe none of the people with > shell > access can find a minute to make the fix.. > > Letting the time of the most active community members go to > waste like > this is not only very discouraging them, and not only does > it > undermine their trust in the revision flagging system > (which proved to > be a very valuable anti-vandalism tool, but it was always > hard to get > enough people involved), it also creates a rift between WMF > and the > local community. People perceive that the foundation does > not respect > their volunteer work at all, and it is only quick when it > is creating > problems (their previous contact with WMF was when someone > shot down > the statistics script that ran with community consensus, > without as > much as a question or comment), and not when it should be > solving > them. > > If you want to broaden participation and involve more > people into > meta-projects, start with actually caring about issues like > these. And > now please, please find someone to finally fix bug 19885. > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundatio...@lists.wikimedia..org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Proposal: Commons Force
Michael, I'm afraid you didn't understand the proposal. The proposal has nothing to do whatsoever with people contributing to Commons not being educated about licenses. It's about contacting to people *outside* of Commons, people who may not be involved in any Wikimedia project, and tell them about PD or CC media wrongly tagged with copyright notices *on their own websites* or their accounts on media archives like Flickr. Please read again if in doubt. Cheers, Jovan Cormac Michael Dale wrote: > I think a small interactive quiz or 30-60 sec videos at point of upload > / contribution.. may help "encourage" people to get informed about these > subjects and properly tag the media. For media pulled from external > archive we should ideally only support importing compatible licensed media > > I don't think there is an issue of lack of quality documentation so much > as reading that documentation is not a literal barrier to contributing. > And possibly as you outline more people reaching out to inform. > > --michael > > Jovan Cormac wrote: > >> I'd like to propose a project I tentatively refer to as "Commons Force" >> (Meta link: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CommonsForce). >> >> Commons Force is a wiki used to coordinate a force of volunteers who >> *actively* educate people about the concepts of public domain and the >> Creative Commons. >> >> That entails those volunteers systematically searching the internet and >> media archives such as Flickr for PD and CC material wrongly labelled as >> being "copyright, all rights reserved" and the likes, and notifying the >> person who wrongly used the label about the problem (using whatever means >> are provided by the site), along with a link to a small wiki designed >> exclusively to educate about PD and CC. >> >> The goal is *not* to threaten those people in any way, and messages sent >> will never contain any threats, whether legal, moral or personal. Rather, >> the project aims to educate the many, many internet users who don't worry >> about rights at all, because they truly don't know jack about them. They >> might know copyright, but overestimate its reach and/or not be aware that >> there are alternatives. When being told about the wide world of rights and >> how copyright alternatives like Creative Commons can promote access to free >> knowledge they might consider re-licensing most or all of their works. >> >> In essence, what's being proposed is a Wiki that acts as a complement to the >> Open-source Ticket Request System on Commons. Instead of receiving license >> information about media on Commons, the idea is to send out license >> information about media on the internet to those whom it concerns. >> >> Since this would obviously promote both the free access to knowledge and >> people's awareness of key open content concepts like PD and CC, the proposal >> is in line with the very heart of Wikimedia's goals. >> >> >> Your opinions & input are more than welcome at the project's discussion >> page, http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:CommonsForce. >> >> >> Cheers, >> Jovan Cormac >> >> ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Proposal: Commons Force
Hoi, I like the idea of a video that explains copyright and licenses. It is however important that this video is subtitled.. What is the status of subtitling for your software ?? Thanks, GerardM 2009/9/6 Michael Dale > I think a small interactive quiz or 30-60 sec videos at point of upload > / contribution.. may help "encourage" people to get informed about these > subjects and properly tag the media. For media pulled from external > archive we should ideally only support importing compatible licensed media > > I don't think there is an issue of lack of quality documentation so much > as reading that documentation is not a literal barrier to contributing. > And possibly as you outline more people reaching out to inform. > > --michael > > Jovan Cormac wrote: > > I'd like to propose a project I tentatively refer to as "Commons Force" > (Meta link: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CommonsForce). > > > > Commons Force is a wiki used to coordinate a force of volunteers who > *actively* educate people about the concepts of public domain and the > Creative Commons. > > > > That entails those volunteers systematically searching the internet and > media archives such as Flickr for PD and CC material wrongly labelled as > being "copyright, all rights reserved" and the likes, and notifying the > person who wrongly used the label about the problem (using whatever means > are provided by the site), along with a link to a small wiki designed > exclusively to educate about PD and CC. > > > > The goal is *not* to threaten those people in any way, and messages sent > will never contain any threats, whether legal, moral or personal. Rather, > the project aims to educate the many, many internet users who don't worry > about rights at all, because they truly don't know jack about them. They > might know copyright, but overestimate its reach and/or not be aware that > there are alternatives. When being told about the wide world of rights and > how copyright alternatives like Creative Commons can promote access to free > knowledge they might consider re-licensing most or all of their works. > > > > In essence, what's being proposed is a Wiki that acts as a complement to > the Open-source Ticket Request System on Commons. Instead of receiving > license information about media on Commons, the idea is to send out license > information about media on the internet to those whom it concerns. > > > > Since this would obviously promote both the free access to knowledge and > people's awareness of key open content concepts like PD and CC, the proposal > is in line with the very heart of Wikimedia's goals. > > > > > > Your opinions & input are more than welcome at the project's discussion > page, http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:CommonsForce. > > > > > > Cheers, > > Jovan Cormac > > > > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Proposal: Commons Force
I think a small interactive quiz or 30-60 sec videos at point of upload / contribution.. may help "encourage" people to get informed about these subjects and properly tag the media. For media pulled from external archive we should ideally only support importing compatible licensed media I don't think there is an issue of lack of quality documentation so much as reading that documentation is not a literal barrier to contributing. And possibly as you outline more people reaching out to inform. --michael Jovan Cormac wrote: > I'd like to propose a project I tentatively refer to as "Commons Force" (Meta > link: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CommonsForce). > > Commons Force is a wiki used to coordinate a force of volunteers who > *actively* educate people about the concepts of public domain and the > Creative Commons. > > That entails those volunteers systematically searching the internet and media > archives such as Flickr for PD and CC material wrongly labelled as being > "copyright, all rights reserved" and the likes, and notifying the person who > wrongly used the label about the problem (using whatever means are provided > by the site), along with a link to a small wiki designed exclusively to > educate about PD and CC. > > The goal is *not* to threaten those people in any way, and messages sent will > never contain any threats, whether legal, moral or personal. Rather, the > project aims to educate the many, many internet users who don't worry about > rights at all, because they truly don't know jack about them. They might know > copyright, but overestimate its reach and/or not be aware that there are > alternatives. When being told about the wide world of rights and how > copyright alternatives like Creative Commons can promote access to free > knowledge they might consider re-licensing most or all of their works. > > In essence, what's being proposed is a Wiki that acts as a complement to the > Open-source Ticket Request System on Commons. Instead of receiving license > information about media on Commons, the idea is to send out license > information about media on the internet to those whom it concerns. > > Since this would obviously promote both the free access to knowledge and > people's awareness of key open content concepts like PD and CC, the proposal > is in line with the very heart of Wikimedia's goals. > > > Your opinions & input are more than welcome at the project's discussion page, > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:CommonsForce. > > > Cheers, > Jovan Cormac > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Proposal: Commons Force
I'd like to propose a project I tentatively refer to as "Commons Force" (Meta link: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CommonsForce). Commons Force is a wiki used to coordinate a force of volunteers who *actively* educate people about the concepts of public domain and the Creative Commons. That entails those volunteers systematically searching the internet and media archives such as Flickr for PD and CC material wrongly labelled as being "copyright, all rights reserved" and the likes, and notifying the person who wrongly used the label about the problem (using whatever means are provided by the site), along with a link to a small wiki designed exclusively to educate about PD and CC. The goal is *not* to threaten those people in any way, and messages sent will never contain any threats, whether legal, moral or personal. Rather, the project aims to educate the many, many internet users who don't worry about rights at all, because they truly don't know jack about them. They might know copyright, but overestimate its reach and/or not be aware that there are alternatives. When being told about the wide world of rights and how copyright alternatives like Creative Commons can promote access to free knowledge they might consider re-licensing most or all of their works. In essence, what's being proposed is a Wiki that acts as a complement to the Open-source Ticket Request System on Commons. Instead of receiving license information about media on Commons, the idea is to send out license information about media on the internet to those whom it concerns. Since this would obviously promote both the free access to knowledge and people's awareness of key open content concepts like PD and CC, the proposal is in line with the very heart of Wikimedia's goals. Your opinions & input are more than welcome at the project's discussion page, http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:CommonsForce. Cheers, Jovan Cormac -- Neu: GMX Doppel-FLAT mit Internet-Flatrate + Telefon-Flatrate für nur 19,99 Euro/mtl.!* http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] WMF seeking to sub-lease office space?
Why not the Signposts, Wikizine, and the SF mailing list? No need for "exclusives". From: geni To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2009 1:43:41 AM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] WMF seeking to sub-lease office space? 2009/9/6 Gerard Meijssen : > Hoi, > It is not my business what they care to write about ... what I ment is that > it is not a publication that is read by all our projects. At that Wikizine > would be a better choice. :) > Thanks. > GerardM The signpost has versions in 19 languages. I think that can be said to provide a reasonable level of coverage. -- geni ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] WMF seeking to sub-lease office space?
Ok, not replying to anyone in particular, but please, can we stop this thread? If it has ever been useful, it has lost that little bit by now I guess. Thank you. -- eia 2009/9/6 David Gerard > 2009/9/6 Anthony : > > On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 8:06 AM, David Gerard wrote: > > >> Too many people attribute to malice what is completely explained by > >> fuckups. > > > Perhaps you should rethink this analysis. You might be attributing > > accusations of the latter for accusations of the former. > > > I think it's pretty clear in the case of the start of this particular > idiot thread. > > > - d. > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] WMF seeking to sub-lease office space?
2009/9/6 Anthony : > On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 8:06 AM, David Gerard wrote: >> Too many people attribute to malice what is completely explained by >> fuckups. > Perhaps you should rethink this analysis. You might be attributing > accusations of the latter for accusations of the former. I think it's pretty clear in the case of the start of this particular idiot thread. - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] WMF seeking to sub-lease office space?
On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 8:06 AM, David Gerard wrote: > 2009/9/6 Anthony : > > > I just have to say that I think it is utter and complete nonsense for > anyone > > to ever accuse the Wikimedia Foundation in any serious way of being the > kind > > of organization that tries to hush things up. > > > Too many people attribute to malice what is completely explained by > fuckups. Perhaps you should rethink this analysis. You might be attributing accusations of the latter for accusations of the former. > WMF actually does better than most charities of comparable > staffing and funding ... I've never bothered comparing with regard to funding. Which organizations would be comparable? And which comes first, the funding or the competence? As for staffing, that's part of the problem. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] WMF seeking to sub-lease office space?
> > The move itself will be > > newsworthy and I'm sure there will be a press release about it, but it > > hasn't happened yet. > > As Wikimedia (or.. Wikipedia!) office address isn't publicly announced > or published, the press release would be fantastic: > > "Wikipedia is moving from undisclosed location office to new > undisclosed location office" :) > > Very useful. > > Domas I just have to say that I think it is utter and complete nonsense for anyone to ever accuse the Wikimedia Foundation in any serious way of being the kind of organization that tries to hush things up. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] WMF seeking to sub-lease office space?
2009/9/6 Anthony : > I just have to say that I think it is utter and complete nonsense for anyone > to ever accuse the Wikimedia Foundation in any serious way of being the kind > of organization that tries to hush things up. Too many people attribute to malice what is completely explained by fuckups. WMF actually does better than most charities of comparable staffing and funding ... - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] WMF seeking to sub-lease office space?
2009/9/6 geni : > If you want to get seriously formal there are signpost or signpost > like publications in 19 languages on wikipedia which means that > informing them is likely to result in significantly wider information > distribution among the wikimedia than "wikizine". Wikizine does pretty well for readership (particularly as it's now posted here). The various Signposts are no more affiliated than the various Wikipedias. - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] WMF seeking to sub-lease office space?
2009/9/6 Gerard Meijssen : > Hoi, > As there is no "signpost" in Dutch, it may be one reason why I did not > notice that there are links to other publications. I checked out the one in > German and it is not a translation of the en.wp Signpost. Consequently the > assertion that there are 19 versions is suspect and my point stands. > Thanks, > GerardM If you want to get seriously formal there are signpost or signpost like publications in 19 languages on wikipedia which means that informing them is likely to result in significantly wider information distribution among the wikimedia than "wikizine". -- geni ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] WMF seeking to sub-lease office space?
Hoi, As there is no "signpost" in Dutch, it may be one reason why I did not notice that there are links to other publications. I checked out the one in German and it is not a translation of the en.wp Signpost. Consequently the assertion that there are 19 versions is suspect and my point stands. Thanks, GerardM 2009/9/6 geni > 2009/9/6 Gerard Meijssen : > > Hoi, > > It is not my business what they care to write about ... what I ment is > that > > it is not a publication that is read by all our projects. At that > Wikizine > > would be a better choice. :) > > Thanks. > > GerardM > > The signpost has versions in 19 languages. I think that can be said to > provide a reasonable level of coverage. > > -- > geni > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] WMF seeking to sub-lease office space?
2009/9/6 Gerard Meijssen : > Hoi, > It is not my business what they care to write about ... what I ment is that > it is not a publication that is read by all our projects. At that Wikizine > would be a better choice. :) > Thanks. > GerardM The signpost has versions in 19 languages. I think that can be said to provide a reasonable level of coverage. -- geni ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] WMF seeking to sub-lease office space?
Hoi, It is not my business what they care to write about ... what I ment is that it is not a publication that is read by all our projects. At that Wikizine would be a better choice. :) Thanks. GerardM 2009/9/6 Domas Mituzas > Gerard, > > > Remember, the Signpost is an en.wp publication. It is not really the > > place > > to announce such things. > > it is up for Signpost editors if they want to include it or not. Not > your business :) > > BR, > Domas > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] WMF seeking to sub-lease office space?
Gerard, > Remember, the Signpost is an en.wp publication. It is not really the > place > to announce such things. it is up for Signpost editors if they want to include it or not. Not your business :) BR, Domas ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] WMF seeking to sub-lease office space?
Hoi,
Remember, the Signpost is an en.wp publication. It is not really the place
to announce such things.
Thanks,
GerardM
2009/9/6 Geoffrey Plourde
> Correct, I meant announcement not press release. Announcing this move by
> placing a blurb on the foundation site, asking for assistance on the sf
> list, and letting the signpost know all would have headed this discussion
> off
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> 2009/9/6 Thomas Dalton :
> > 2009/9/6 Geoffrey Plourde :
> >> The plan may have been mentioned ages ago, but a press release about the
> move would have eliminated the opportunity for trolling.
> >
> > Why would the press be interested in the WMF putting the offices they
> > are about to move out of on the market? The move itself will be
> > newsworthy and I'm sure there will be a press release about it, but it
> > hasn't happened yet. A plan to move isn't worthy of a press release -
> > it would only cover a single sentence ("The WMF has more staff than it
> > has room for desks, so it is planning to move to new, larger
> > offices.").
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> I'm sure signpost would be interested. It usually is. Press release is
> probably the wrong term though.
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