Re: [Foundation-l] Cultural awareness and sensitivity
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: reaction to what to me was actually a rather funny comment. However, Mariano's following reaction as well as Yaroslav's came across to me as unecessarily aggressive and actually shocked me in what I perceived as a lack of consideration and altogether rather nasty answers. Strange. It was very strange for me to read that Yaroslav (while I know only one Yaroslav here on the list - it's Yaroslav Blanter) was... OMG... unecessarily aggressive. Moreover I was 'actually shocked' as to my experience Yaroslav is not too kind or better to say warm in tone sometimes (!), but I never saw him unecessarily aggressive. So I spent some slice of night (it's 3:30AM here in Kyiv now) to run some investigation. As to the best of my understanding (and if I'm not mistaken) that was another person (should I point exactly?) which has not much in common with Yaroslav: he is from Russia as well and he is admin in ru:WP also. Thanks Pavlo. Actually I do not think I posted anything in this thread at all, and I overlooked Delphinbe's post as well. This must be a misunderstanding somehow. Sorry for taking so long to answer this and offer my apologies. It was Victor's post which shocked me, not Yaroslav. So much for writing late at night. And thank you Pavlo for pointing my mistake out. Best, Delphine -- ~notafish NB. This gmail address is used for mailing lists. Personal emails will get lost. Intercultural musings: Ceci n'est pas une endive - http://blog.notanendive.org ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Encouraging participation
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 20/06/2010 03:25, Pavlo Shevelo wrote: But now it's standard for any site to have well-structured facepages (profiles) to provide for academic the mean to: * properly introduce himself/herself; * get the idea about who is some other contributor/peer; * communicate with other people in well-structured way (structured by groups with particular interests etc.) with modern means to express support of one's opinion etc. It seems founded. So my point is not increase of distraction from content (as main object of contributor care, intended care I would stress) but the opposite - significant decrease of such distraction by eliminating the need of DIY self-care (which is not intended at all). I think it would be interesting to develop this idea. The last but far not least: if we really would like to attract more academics we have to change socialization policies and/or traditions as academics (most of them) don't like/appreciate blind (anonymous) peer cooperation. We could make a expert class of users, widely known, with admin powers on pages of their domain of expertise, with the possibility to lock articles temporarily from normal editors during edit wars. But they should be expected to give fair attention to alternatives, and respect the NPOV. They would still respond to admins and superadmins. Or would it be too conflicting with the wikimedians principles? I'm always dubious about compromises, because they generally achieve no other goal that artificial consensus at the cost of the conflicting goals. Or we can look at that in such way: if we are talking about credibility of content we have to talk about credibility of contributors as peers in teamwork first. Maybe convincing internationally recognized experts to contribute articles as wp users (like Hawking on Astrophysics) would start the desire among experts to have a say among their peers? So wp could become a little more a place of exchange of expert knowledge. That's why we will need as much of realexact info on facepages as possible plus as much de-virtualization by mean of meetups as possible. Look on experience of de:WP. Why not create Wikipedians clubs in localities and schools that try to maintain a few pages about specific information dear to the members, yet still of encyclopedic value, like the local history or cultural highlights or natural wonders or a local artist or project, or just a shared dream, a story, a feeling, a song, etc. Why not propose to schools to publish the adventurous projects of each classes in a special section of the WMF foundation ? Sincerely, Pavlo On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 2:16 AM, James Heilman jmh...@gmail.com wrote: To attract academics this is and must be viewed as a serious endeavor. Yes some aspects such as reverting vandalism could have a fun twist applied to them but the creation of content must remain simple and serious. Wikipedia already has a problem with its image regarding credibility. Things that would affect Wikipedia's image must be carefully considered. I personally do not need further distraction while I edit. Medpedia http://www.medpedia.com/ has more of a facebook appearance to it and for that among other reasons I will not contribute their. We need to keep our goal of writing an encyclopedia first and foremost. -- James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, B.Sc. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJMHl4KAAoJEHCAuDvx9Z6LQPsH/3zdYUVHtsCezGM13Xx3DR5B LLLzbctmxTbDy+HrkEQWRWZacZvGGNNa6/ke5vKymLphfsurge7+UkJxZFFtHQeC zSgnL3it2sDYSUVhtsGF9s63hzz1L/oUUz7qmKSiNxsM885aCk+t5W729Zt0a/1c DMlKRKjWWowUDJsIHdqQ3g4KbTbhs+zkH+KaCFWQx41cT5otDT73ExlaETaHksYT WTqAm/8mXdjgFP4Np/fJ5m/OyYV35pmE5uZzHAq69MQLKXVTSoOcC7CdYF34lQHV m8zlz4xu/5tCBcRsnOdWIUvhpoXeh4UbHG9jLUhHShKp0Bm60c1NAd9cnjBausg= =4e98 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia trade mark misuse
If the Czech Wikimedia things the newspaper is abusing of the 'wiki' concept to sell something that is not, and really wishes to do something about it, I recommend to contact consumer protection and present the case to them; it's a free services in all the countries I know. You can claim that the newspaper is using a confusing concept to attract visitors seeking for collaborative information where there is none. I don't think you can do anything else, and certainly not along the 'wiki' trademark/copyright path. Good luck, MarianoC.- --- El jue 17-jun-10, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com escribió: De: Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com Asunto: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia trade mark misuse Para: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Fecha: jueves, 17 de junio de 2010, 8:39 On 17 June 2010 11:37, Peter Gervai grin...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 17:25, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote many things. My sidenote is that if you believe in what you say then you imply Wikipedia, Wikimedia and everything we have with 'wiki' string in it, and every method we use which described as 'wiki-way of web publishing' violates Ward's intellectual rights since it was him who first used the word, who conjured up the method and made it known. We're not talking about patents; we're talking about trademarks. Who conjured up the method is completely irrelevant, as I have already explained. This complete lack of understanding of trademark law is precisely why people shouldn't be trying to guess whether something is a violation or not. I have not once claimed that it is a violation. I have said that it might be one. That is the most I can say with my level of understanding of the relevant law and it is clear I have far more understanding of the relevant law than anyone else in this discussion. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Encouraging participation
--- El sáb 19-jun-10, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com escribió: Any idea how to improve their motivation? Considering how similar we Argentines are to the Serbs I would suggest to take a far less scientific approach: Motivate them to write about their home towns, football teams, favourite players, pop-singer, etc. Once they have climbed the learning curve of not only the interface but the entire social context behind editing Wikipedia, it's a lot easier to focus them into a WikiProject to improve the content of a specific scientific topic. Tako sam i ja počeo! Good luck, Mariano.- ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Encouraging participation
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Noein prono...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 20/06/2010 01:49, Milos Rancic wrote: * At another faculty we have a teaching assistant among Wikimedians. After two projects, we've concluded cooperation because students didn't quite understand work on Wikipedia and started with confrontation. That information is key. Why people from the teaching establishment don't understand Wikipedia? Why don't they see, for example, that it's one of the best ideas about protecting and sharing information? Why do they judge it so mediocre when they can participate to make it brilliant? Why people in the education doesn't see or understand this? What are their arguments and their inner barriers? Do they have good counter arguments, is it a prejudice, an incompatibility of personality, or ignorance? Where are the explanations? What IS Wikipedia? What are the structures and consequences of this meme, this slogan: imagine a world where each human being has access to the entire human knowledge? Where are they theorized, wordized, schematized? Do the members of this mailing list even agree? Do we know what wp is? Where are the wikimedian efforts converging to? What kind of world are they creating? Have we got tendency towards democracy, consensus, participation, sharing, unanimity, respect, liberty, freedom of expression and of choice, listening, dialoguing, or have we not? Why people, values, projects and actions of betterment (to our eyes) of the world are not listened to, trusted, voted, seconded, motioned, consensually applied, critically applauded, desired, rewarded and understood? If you're never read it, you'd probably enjoy this article from the Journal of American History penned by the late, great Dr. Roy Rosenzweig from June 2006: http://chnm.gmu.edu/essays-on-history-new-media/essays/?essayid=42 -- ~Keegan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
