[Foundation-l] Invitations for Linkdin

[Huib Laurens]

Hello all,

It came to my attention that people are using wikimedia mailing lists as
there primary contact adres for Linkdin. I guess that this is not the way
it should be done.

Today I found:

Felix Reolon using wikimani...@lists.wikimedia.org  as there primary
e-mail.

i don't know him, but I'm sure somebody knows is him?

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Re: [Foundation-l] RESCHEDULED: Mailing lists server migration today

[Huib Laurens]

gmail is having troubles the last few weeks... I miss e-mails daily that
arrive much later...

On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote:

> Just seen the datestamp... why did that email just come through now?!
>
> On 18 January 2012 13:42, Thomas Dalton  wrote:
> > I advise you delay it again - we need the mailing lists at the moment
> > to coordinate the blackout.
> >
> > On 13 January 2012 13:54, Mark Bergsma  wrote:
> >> (rescheduled after the cancelled maintenance of last Friday)
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Today I will be migrating the mailing lists from a very old server
> (lily) in Amsterdam, to a new server (sodium) in our new Ashburn data
> center. Mailman will be upgraded to version 2.1.13 along the way.
> >>
> >> During the migration, mail will be delayed as all data will need to be
> transferred to the new host. No mail should go lost, but no new mails will
> be sent out during the process until done, and the web interface will be
> unavailable. This shouldn't take about one hour, if all goes well.
> >>
> >> I will report here when things should be back up and running.
> Afterwards, please let us know of any new issues, in bugzilla or on IRC
> (#wikimedia-tech). We don't expect any problems, but as with any software
> upgrade or migration, this can't be guaranteed...
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
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> >> Wikimedia Foundation
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Foundation-l] RESCHEDULED: Mailing lists server migration today

[Huib Laurens]

https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo says the new version, so I
guess so


2012/1/18 Delphine Ménard 

> On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 2:42 PM, Thomas Dalton 
> wrote:
> > I advise you delay it again - we need the mailing lists at the moment
> > to coordinate the blackout.
>
> Mark's email is 5 days old, so I suppose this has already happened, hasn't
> it?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Delphine
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Foundation-l] mobile website

[Huib Laurens]

So lets say that Wikipedia doesn't have a active anti vandal crew today,
but people can still edit within the English Wikipedia by mobile phone.

So we will find in a year all kind of vandal edits done today?
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Re: [Foundation-l] WMF blog post on Italian Wikipedia

[Huib Laurens]

There is no content now, so there is no violation... You need to show the
content before you can violate anything.

I was responding on your part about giving the right to mirror, there is no
need for that cuz its already there. We even provide dumps for mirrors so
they can easy import a wikipedia version.

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Re: [Foundation-l] WMF blog post on Italian Wikipedia

[Huib Laurens]

Therefore, each encyclopedia article and each course should explicitly grant
irrevocable permission for anyone to make verbatim copies available on
mirror sites. This permission should be one of the basic stated principles
of the free encyclopedia.



That is already done with our free licensing...
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Re: [Foundation-l] Dumps mirroring (was: Request: WMF commitment as a long term cultural archive?)

[Huib Laurens]

I would be happy to mirror. I was looking and poking arround for that a year
ago and the biggest problem for me is that its not clear how WikiMedia would
like to be mirrored.

We are currently a Centos and Ubuntu mirror on the machine. We have the
space, thats not the problem.


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2011/9/21 Brian J Mingus 

> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 3:45 AM, Strainu  wrote:
>
> > 2011/9/21 emijrp :
> > > Hi all;
> > >
> > > Just like the scripts to preserve wikis[1], I'm working in a new script
> > to
> > > download all Wikimedia Commons images packed by day. But I have limited
> > > spare time. Sad that volunteers have to do this without any help from
> > > Wikimedia Foundation.
> > >
> > > I started too an effort in meta: (with low activity) to mirror XML
> > dumps.[2]
> > > If you know about universities or research groups which works with
> > > Wiki[pm]edia XML dumps, they would be a possible successful target to
> > mirror
> > > them.
> > >
> > > If you want to download the texts into your PC, you only need 100GB
> free
> > and
> > > to run this Python script.[3]
> > >
> > > I heard that Internet Archive saves XML dumps quarterly or so, but no
> > > official announcement. Also, I heard about Library of Congress wanting
> to
> > > mirror the dumps, but not news since a long time.
> > >
> > > L'Encyclopédie has an "uptime"[4] of 260 years[5] and growing. Will
> > > Wiki[pm]edia projects reach that?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > emijrp
> > >
> > > [1] http://code.google.com/p/wikiteam/
> > > [2]
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mirroring_Wikimedia_project_XML_dumps
> > > [3]
> > >
> >
> http://code.google.com/p/wikiteam/source/browse/trunk/wikipediadownloader.py
> > > [4] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uptime
> > > [5] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encyclop%C3%A9die
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Hi emirjrp,
> >
> > I can understand why you would prefer to have "full mirrors" of the
> > dumps, but let's face it, 10TB is not (yet) something that most
> > companies/universities can easily spare. Also, most people only work
> > on 1-5 versions of Wikipedia, the rest is just overhead to them.
> >
> > My suggestion would be to accept mirrors of a single language and have
> > a smart interface at dumps.wikimedia.org that redirects requests to
> > the location that is the best match for the user. This system is used
> > by some Linux distributions (see download.opensuse.org for instance)
> > with great success.
> >
> > Regards,
> >   Strainu
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[Foundation-l] Transfer a domain to the foundation

[Huib Laurens]

Hello,

I currently have the domain www.wikilovesmonuments.com in my possession.

I'm am willing to transfer this domain to the foundation, but I don't really
know who to contact, and IRC didn't help me. Can somebody point me to the
right person or can the right person contact me on: h...@wickedway.nl


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[Foundation-l] Wikimedia used for SPAM

[Huib Laurens]

Hi!

I''m getting this kind of e-mails since yesterday... Did they use the list
of people on those lists to mail this?

They use foundation-l, commons-l en wikitech-l

best,

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Re: [Foundation-l] help openstreetmap to translate their license ...

[Huib Laurens]

Isn't it normal practice to place above the legal text a note like "this is
a translated text and it can be incorrect. Please see the language version
for the offical version" ?

2011/8/22 Tomasz Ganicz 

> 2011/8/22 Gerard Meijssen :
> > Hoi,
> > Much of OpenStreetMap is localised at translatewiki.net ... A license
> can be
> > translated as well. Given that OSM is already done at twn, it is just
> > another addition.
>
> Yess.. but legal code should rather be translated by professional
> lawyer or at least revised and accepted. Otherwise the translated text
> is worth nothing from legal POV.
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Re: [Foundation-l] Call for referendum

[Huib Laurens]

At the time of the License Commitee with the vote we had te results
also very fast...

Dude... Its all possible when they check all the votes made on day 1
on day 2 etc etc... And the system is very simple to work with.

Best,

Huib


2011/8/21, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen :
> On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 3:08 AM, Philippe Beaudette
>  wrote:
>> On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 12:12 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen <
>> cimonav...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> So why announce ridiculously unrealistic timeframe between the vote
>>> concluding and the results being announced?
>>>
>>>
>> First, I disagree that it's "ridiculously unrealistic".  Vote checking has
>> already started and will continue throughout the polling.  Second,
>> hindsight
>> is 20/20.  I'll tell you that it's a balancing act... we've gotten it
>> right
>> a few times and we've gotten it wrong a few times.  It's been years since
>> this  type of all-projects election was held for anything but a Board of
>> Trustees election, and so, yeah, mistakes will be made.  But let's just
>> wait
>> and see on the timeframe, shall we?  No doubt an extension will have to
>> happen, but what's the harm?  If we take a couple extra days to
>> announce
>> the results, who has been harmed?
>>
>>'
>
> Months, not extra days, dude.
>
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Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Referendum 2011 mailout — issues

[Huib Laurens]

Hi,

Maybe we shouldn't e-mail every user every time there is a vote.

There has never been a run that didn't cause any problems and like
Andrew was saying elsewhere they know the system doesn't check for
global blocks and multible blocks.

So there will be a lot of false positives. And a lot of people will
get spam because they did create a account and did some edits...
People that think Wikimedia is sending spam will leave instead of
vote.

There is already a global site notice. This e-mails was't needed...


2011/8/19, Andrew Garrett :
> Hi all,
>
> I've just started sending out over 750,000 emails to folks who are
> eligible to vote in our Wikimedia Referendum. I've learned from past
> mailouts in trying to exclude more bots, multiple accounts and folks
> who've already voted. However, if you receive an email which doesn't
> apply to you (for example, if you're not eligible to vote, or you've
> requested to be excluded from such mailouts), or if there's a problem
> with the email that you receive (for example, it's in the wrong
> language), I've set up a page [1] where you can report it. Remember
> that you can always opt out from all future mailings [2].
>
> I'm hoping that having a central page for this information will help
> in investigating the issues associated with errant mail, and allow
> future mail to be better targetted.
>
> Thanks a lot for your help,
>
> —Andrew
>
> [1]
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image_filter_referendum/Email/False_positives
> [2] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_nomail_list
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Re: [Foundation-l] Image filter referendum

[Huib Laurens]

Yep, I just got a second for a very old account

Beste SterkeBak,

U bent stemgerechtigd in het referendum over de afbeeldingsfilter. In dit
referendum wordt getracht meer input te krijgen voor de ontwikkeling en het
gebruik van een optionele functie die gebruikers in staat stelt om bepaalde
soorten afbeeldingen voor hun account te verbergen.

Het doel hiervan is de lezers de gelegenheid te geven om bepaalde
afbeeldingen op de Wikimediaprojecten, die zij niet willen zien, te
verbergen. Dit kan bij de eerste keer dat de afbeelding bekeken wordt of
voor de afbeelding getoond wordt, door middel van persoonlijke
voorkeursinstellingen. De functie is bedoeld om lezers het voordeel van de
keuze te laten. Daarom zal deze functie zo gebruiksvriendelijk en simpel als
mogelijk gemaakt worden. We maken het ook het ondersteunen door redacteuren
zo gemakkelijk mogelijk. Voor de ontwikkeling hebben wij een aantal
principes, maar er zullen in de loop van het ontwikkelingsproces
compromissen moeten worden gesloten. Om het ontwikkelen te vergemakkelijken
vragen we uw hulp bij het beoordelen van elk principe naar belangrijkheid.

Voor meer informatie, zie <
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image_filter_referendum/nl>. Om uzelf van
deze lijst uit te schrijven en zo geen toekomstige meldingen te ontvangen
kan u uw gebruikersnaam toevoegen op <
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_nomail_list>.

And my bot recieved one... Something is going wrong there...

Best,

Huib

2011/8/19 Huib Laurens 

> Hello,
>
> I just recieved this e-mail while I'm not enigble to vote and not able to
> remove myself from the list.
>
> I guess if I recieve it more people that aren't engible will recieve it.
>
> Best.
> Huib
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Wikimedia Referendum, 2011 
> Date: 2011/8/19
> Subject: Image filter referendum
> To: Abigor 
>
>
> Dear Abigor,
>
> You are eligible to vote in the image filter referendum, a referendum to
> gather more input into the development and usage of an opt-in personal image
> hiding feature. This feature will allow readers to voluntarily screen
> particular types of images strictly for their own accounts.
>
> Its purpose is to enable readers to easily hide images on the Wikimedia
> projects that they do not wish to view, either when first viewing the image
> or ahead of time through individual preference settings. The feature is
> intended to benefit readers by offering them more choice, and to that end it
> will be made as user-friendly and simple as possible. We will also make it
> as easy as possible for editors to support. For its development, we have
> created a number of guiding principles, but trade-offs will need to be made
> throughout the development process. In order to aid the developers in making
> those trade-offs, we need your help us assess the importance of each by
> taking part in this referendum.
>
> For more information, please see
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image_filter_referendum/en. To remove
> yourself from future notifications, please add your user name at
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_nomail_list.
>
>
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[Foundation-l] Fwd: Image filter referendum

[Huib Laurens]

Hello,

I just recieved this e-mail while I'm not enigble to vote and not able to
remove myself from the list.

I guess if I recieve it more people that aren't engible will recieve it.

Best.
Huib

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From: Wikimedia Referendum, 2011 
Date: 2011/8/19
Subject: Image filter referendum
To: Abigor 


Dear Abigor,

You are eligible to vote in the image filter referendum, a referendum to
gather more input into the development and usage of an opt-in personal image
hiding feature. This feature will allow readers to voluntarily screen
particular types of images strictly for their own accounts.

Its purpose is to enable readers to easily hide images on the Wikimedia
projects that they do not wish to view, either when first viewing the image
or ahead of time through individual preference settings. The feature is
intended to benefit readers by offering them more choice, and to that end it
will be made as user-friendly and simple as possible. We will also make it
as easy as possible for editors to support. For its development, we have
created a number of guiding principles, but trade-offs will need to be made
throughout the development process. In order to aid the developers in making
those trade-offs, we need your help us assess the importance of each by
taking part in this referendum.

For more information, please see
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image_filter_referendum/en. To remove
yourself from future notifications, please add your user name at
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_nomail_list.



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Re: [Foundation-l] Vladimir V. Medeyko WANTED

[Huib Laurens]

What is there to know?

2011/8/11 Gora Kazanskaya 

> Anybody knows something about the user Drbug (Vladimir V. Medeyko) after
> the Wikimania 2011?
>
> Kazanskaya Gora.
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Re: [Foundation-l] The problem with Incubator: An interactive journey

[Huib Laurens]

There is a complete list here:
http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Incubator:Wikis I guess it would be easy
to add a status to it... And link the meta pages back to the list.

2011/8/8 Thomas Goldammer 

> There should be a general overview page where all projects are listed
> with a very short description in the respective languages and a status
> ("open", "under supervision", "closed", "in preparation" or what else
> you get), could be hosted on Meta. And this "Wikimedia projects
> summary" or such can be prominently linked from the main pages, like
> "there are Wikipedias in xxx languages, find out more HERE" or
> something accordingly in the other projects.
>
> BR
> Th.
>
> 2011/8/8 M. Williamson :
> > This is an improvement in many ways, but how does it help the average
> user?
> > How are people supposed to know that XYZ code points to XYZ language?
> Right
> > now we don't have any high-traffic pages pointing to incubator; it seems
> > less likely that say, en.wp main page will link to every single test
> wiki.
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Re: [Foundation-l] The problem with Incubator: An interactive journey

[Huib Laurens]

I'm not sure about interwiki's

if the project xxx.wikipedia.org/wiki/article will point to
incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/wp/xxx/article I guess it would be possible to
use the [[:xxx:]] interwiki? Cuz it wouldn't directly point the incubator.
So I guess it would be possible... But some changes need to be done in the
interwiki.py maybe? It doesn't sounds really impossible to me...



2011/8/8 Thomas Goldammer 

> Well, that idea also came to my mind (I didn't know that someone is
> already working on it), but then interwikis wouldn't be possible,
> would they? I think interwiki links are not unimportant to get native
> or fluent speakers of a language to a wiki who are currently working
> on other wikis. If they are working on enwiki already, for example,
> and discover that there is an article about their topics in their own
> language (or a language they are fluent in), they might go there and
> maybe improve the article and stay for more work. (I mean I did react
> like this when I discovered some articles about my topics on enwiki,
> maybe others wouldn't... ^^)
>
> But for starters, the redirect thing will work, too. One had to make
> sure that these wikis are properly listed and linked to in as many
> places as possible so that the wiki-finding problems M. Williamson has
> pointed out are solved.
>
> BR
> Th.
>
> 2011/8/8 Huib Laurens :
> > SPQRobin is already working on a extension that will point
> > xxx.wikipedia.org to the right place on Incubator. The first version
> > is already deployed and he showed me the new version on WikiMania.
> >
> >
> > I'm not sure how long it will take, when wmf staff will help him out
> > it will take less time. But a beter version is being worked on.
> >
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Re: [Foundation-l] The problem with Incubator: An interactive journey

[Huib Laurens]

SPQRobin is already working on a extension that will point
xxx.wikipedia.org to the right place on Incubator. The first version
is already deployed and he showed me the new version on WikiMania.


I'm not sure how long it will take, when wmf staff will help him out
it will take less time. But a beter version is being worked on.


2011/8/8, Thomas Goldammer :
> Maybe a new system of "incubation" would be helpful. For example, one
> could start the requested wikis on their future domain
> (xxx.wikipedia.org / xxx.wiktionary.org etc.pp.) right from the
> request, with at least two voluntary experienced supervisors on each
> (one can supervise more than one of these of course) who get sysop and
> crat rights and stay there as long as it takes to get the approval of
> LangCom for an independent wiki (that is, after translating the most
> important parts of the MW software and that stuff). With email
> notification, the community of the test project can easily reach the
> supervisors and they of course should be in the wiki on a daily basis
> to look that everything is ok there. In the best case, they could try
> to attract more native speakers of the language to work there. Then a
> closing request for a wiki that became inactive would just be a
> request for supervision of that wiki. That means, the wiki stays where
> it is, but gets two supervisors who take on the administrative tasks
> and start some promotion maybe. Well, it's just an idea.
>
> BR
> Th.
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[Foundation-l] Abigor Account

[Huib Laurens]

Hello,

On WikiMania it was brought to my attention by a user that there is a
account Abigor langcom. He asked me why I created that account...

Since editting meta is blocked for me, I would like to state here after
asking to a trusted user how I should react that this account is not created
by me. And I would like to see it blocked (if not already done so) and a
checkuser preformed so we can see who created it.

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Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

[Huib Laurens]

 at this article for example, it is quite interesting and
>> well written, and why should it not be visible to everyone on the
>> list.
>>
>>
>> http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/wikimedia-foundation-director-admits-to-sweetheart-contracts
>>
>> Deleting and banning people who say things that are not comfortable,
>> that does make you look balanced and trustworthy.
>>
>> The Wikimedia foundation should be able to stand up to such
>> accusations without resorting to gagging people, it just gives more
>> credit to the people being gagged and makes people wonder if there is
>> any merit in what they say.
>>
>> This brings up my favorite subject of unneeded deletions versions needed
>> ones.
>>
>> Of course there is material that should be deleted that is hateful,
>> Spam etc, lets call that evil content.
>>
>> But the articles that i wrote and my friends wrote that were deleted
>> did not fall into that category, they might have been just bad or not
>> notable.
>>
>> We have had a constant struggle to keep our articles from being
>> deleted in a manner that we consider unfair. Additionally, the bad
>> content is lost and falls into the same category as evil content.
>>
>> Also there should be more transparency on deleted material on the
>> Wikipedia itself, there is a lot of information that is being deleted
>> and gone forever without proper process or review.
>>
>> In my eyes there is a connection between the two topics, the banning
>> of people and the deleting of information. Both are depriving people
>> from information that they want and need in an unfair manner.
>>
>> Instead of articles about obscure events, things, and old places in
>> Kosovo you have a wikipedia full of the latest information about every
>> television show, is that what you really want?
>>
>> I think there should be room for things in places that are not not
>> notable because they are not part of mainstream pop culture, we also
>> need to support the underdogs of Wikipedia even if they are not
>> mainstream, Mr Kohs definitely has something to say and I would like
>> like to hear it. And the Kosovars have something to say even if the
>> Serbs don't want to hear it. The Albanians have something to say even
>> if the Greeks don't want to hear it, etc. There are many cases of
>> people from Kosovo and Albania driven out of Wikipedia and depriving
>> the project of important information because they are not able to get
>> started and the contributions are so far way from the dominating
>> political viewpoint of the opposite side that they don't even get a
>> chance to be heard.
>>
>> We need to make a way for these people to be heard and to moderate the
>> conflicts better, that will make Wikipedia stronger and more robust.
>>
>> thanks,
>> mike
>>
>
>
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Re: [Foundation-l] Going to far

[Huib Laurens]

Did you even read the E-mail? How should the Ombudsman commission handle
this case, it are administrators copying personal information into Wikimedia
Wiki's...


2011/7/18 MZMcBride 

> Huib Laurens wrote:
> > I regret the fact that I need to e-mail to this list, but I tried and
> tried
> > but can't work it out with the people involved. I talked about letting it
> go
> > but that doesn't seem the right thing to do also, so maybe a discussion
> on
> > this list can make something happen.
>
> I can't imagine you regret sending this e-mail as much as I regret trying
> to
> parse it. From what I can tell, this list isn't the appropriate forum.
> Whatever your issue is, it's buried beneath a wall of text and what appears
> to be years of antics on your part.
>
> If you have reason to believe that the Wikimedia privacy policy has been
> violated, you should contact the Ombudsman commission:
> <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ombudsman_commission>.
>
> If you would like to have certain information removed from a particular
> Wikimedia wiki, you can try contacting the wiki's oversighters or
> Arbitration Committee. If you've ruined or soured those relationships to
> the
> point that those individuals are unwilling to respond, then that's a bed of
> your own making and you'll simply have to live with the consequences of
> your
> actions.
>
> You're also free to contact individual members of Wikimedia Foundation
> staff
> or OTRS, but there doesn't appear to be much (if anything) that needs to be
> discussed that relates to the purpose or mission of this mailing list.
>
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[Foundation-l] Going to far

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Hello,

I regret the fact that I need to e-mail to this list, but I tried and tried
but can't work it out with the people involved. I talked about letting it go
but that doesn't seem the right thing to do also, so maybe a discussion on
this list can make something happen.

First a starter, I'm not going to spin around it... I'm currently blocked on
Commons, nl.wiki en Meta for privacy violation and using multible accounts.
But now here it comes, when I want to talk about the privacy about the
people around me no body is responding. If I messed up, and that still a big
"maybe" I'm happy to go down and get a bad reputation into Google and all
the other search engines but people around me should be safe.

Currently there are lots of pointers to my girlfriend on NL.Wiki, Meta and
Commons. While the article and the picture was hers she had nothing to do
with the complete case some people made here. As you will understand I will
not call her by her name since otherwise we have yet another place where her
name is listed and indexed into Google.

It all started on the Dutch Wikipedia after somebody created a article about
the Dutch writer and somebody did a CheckUser and came to the conclusion
that Delay and me had a common source. After that a Dutch Administrator
Freaky Fries came with the news that I had a relationship with this person
and that we would live on the same adres (here:
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verzoekpagina_voor_moderatoren/Sokpoppen/2011#Delay)
While the CheckUser confirmed that the IP from the home adres is no link to
the Delay account and there is no proof or relavancy what so ever it still
stating on Wikipedia that we are living together. After that a OTRS agent
with the name RonaldB posted a ticketnumber that can confirm that I and her
have a relationship. On the Request for Deletion page on Nl.wikipedia is
again a link posted to my private twitter to state that I have a
relationship with her. (
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Te_verwijderen_pagina%27s/Toegevoegd_20110601)


After that this whole discussion is moved by a dutch administrator to
Commons where even Yesterday and today there is a whole discussion again
with her name involved on multible pages (
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Request_by_Abigor&;
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators%27_noticeboard#Request_by_Abigor)
Where most recenty a dutch administrator Trijnstel is saying that I
and
the girl have split up (without any source and without any relevance). On my
talkpage on Commons is again brought to the attention.

Between this we also have a big Meta discussion
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Requests_for_comment/Abigor where on the
page and talkpage the relevance to a possible girlfriend is being made.

Now I'm sure that this did break my complete reputation on Wikimedia, while
I tried to defend myself and asking for information that the foundation can
and have to give I still didn't recieve anything. Also a request for removal
of all the names have been made by the ArbCom and nothing was heard But tell
me do we want to foundation the damage a reputation of people who doesn't
even edit Wikipedia but are taking on to Wikipedia to break a user? I don't
care what is happening to me, but somebody please step in and start removing
all those privacy violations on all those wiki's. This is going to damage
her, and than the Foundation will need to take the heat? Is that what we
want?

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Re: [Foundation-l] Welcome to new wikis

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I was spending the last 28 minutes to get those rights ;-) That are lots of
counts to ten ;-)

2011/7/12 Milos Rancic 

> On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 13:00, Huib Laurens  wrote:
> > Stewards are not willing to grant me the needed rights to import, please
> > contact me if somebody wants to import it. All the files are ready here.
>
> You should count up to 10 before writing email or writing something on wiki
> :)
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Re: [Foundation-l] Welcome to new wikis

[Huib Laurens]

Forget my e-mail.

Stewards are not willing to grant me the needed rights to import, please
contact me if somebody wants to import it. All the files are ready here.



2011/7/12 Milos Rancic 

> On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 12:39, M. Williamson  wrote:
> > Rather perhaps you mean: Argentinians got chapter and Arabic got
> > Wikiversity? Since the Wikiversity site seems to be in Arabic, which
> would
> > be a bit odd if it was for Argentines.
>
> Are you sure? There are many Argentinian languages and it would be
> fair that they have at least one Wikiveristy.
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Re: [Foundation-l] Welcome to new wikis

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I have the import for Xmf wikipedia Ready, that one could be online within a
hour. :-)

2011/7/12 Milos Rancic 

> We've got four new wikis: two for content and two for chapters:
> * Mingrelian Wikipedia: http://xmf.wikipedia.org
> * Argentinian Wikiveristy: http://ar.wikiversity.org
> * Arabic chapter: http://ar.wikimedia.org/
> * Mexican chapter: http://mx.wikimedia.org/
>
> For the content projects import is on the way.
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Re: [Foundation-l] Office Actions

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You got mail. Could you confirm?

2011/7/11 Philippe Beaudette 

> Dan,
>
> Legal-en goes to the legal queue.  Legal@ goes to the legal department.
>
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>
>
> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Dan Rosenthal  >wrote:
>
> > On 7/11/11, Jon Davis  wrote:
> > > Why don't you try emailing le...@wikimedia.org ?  If it is legal
> > related
> > > they would seem to be a good start.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 10:37, Huib Laurens 
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hello,
> > >>
> > >> Where can you request the Wikimedia Office to step in and remove a
> part
> > of
> > >> a
> > >> article?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I can't speak in more details, but in a series of wikipedia pages on 4
> > >> projects there is content that could harm the wikimedia foundation in
> a
> > >> legal way. I tried to get it done with the local admins but they
> refuse,
> > >> what will be the next step to get a opinion for a office action?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
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> > >>
> > >> Huib Laurens
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> > think that's been fixed now and it properly goes to the legal queue),
> > which has no authority for handling office actions. Realistically the
> > fastest way to get an office action resolved is to email Philippe, and
> > if there is an immediate and urgent (and unquestionable need) for some
> > sort of deletion, contact an admin/steward/oversighter as exists on
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[Foundation-l] Office Actions

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Hello,

Where can you request the Wikimedia Office to step in and remove a part of a
article?


I can't speak in more details, but in a series of wikipedia pages on 4
projects there is content that could harm the wikimedia foundation in a
legal way. I tried to get it done with the local admins but they refuse,
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Re: [Foundation-l] Privacy concerns

[Huib Laurens]

Are you calling me a troll now?

2011/7/10 Peter Gervai 

> On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 23:10, Risker  wrote:
> > I'm thinking more of whether or not it is retained, and precisely how it
> is
> > retained. Is it kept in a locked box somewhere? Sitting on someone's
> desk?
> > Accessible to other individuals?
>
> Which is clearly the good way to ask the questions. It's how the
> process works, why this way, how is it effective? How the data
> handled, secured, used and destroyed? And what are the experiences,
> how effective it was, what problems it caused (apart from trolls
> coming to and fro complaining)?
>
> I do not know, I ain't no dutch, and haven't been banned so far. ;-)
> I'm an outsider.
>
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Re: [Foundation-l] Privacy concerns

[Huib Laurens]

Hello,

Is mentioned in a offiical policy on the Dutch Wikipedia here:
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sokpopmisbruik



2011/7/10, Benjamin Chen :
>>
>> Gerard Meijssen, 09/07/2011 10:06:
>>  > If you do not trust the person involved, you are crazy to send him a
>> copy of
>>  > your passport. This is a common sense. This policy as it obviously
>> works..
>>  > what is really your issue ?
>>  >
>>  > Do we really need a theoretical approach that only can bring us less
>>  > functionality ? I do not think so.
>>
>
> Like what David pointed out, it may be more of a problem when it is not
> clearly stated that the person receiving the letter is not a WMF staff or
> officially authorised personnel. People *may *think that they are dealing
> with official personnel but when they find out that they aren't, it may
> cause dispute. But anyway there isn't much information in this thread to
> tell.
>
> Best,
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Re: [Foundation-l] Privacy concerns

[Huib Laurens]

The rather big deal for me is that when i edit a Wikimedia project there is
a privacy policy, and next to that there is a policy that only people who
identified themselfs to the foundation can handle non-public date. I guess
that there this is the case also.

So wouldn't it be more secure and inside the Wikimedia policies when it
would be send to OTRS and that trusted identified users can handle those?

I do see a big concern, cuz I send my passport somewhere for Wikipedia... If
something happens it would make Wikimedia responsible, because I send it to
them (to a Dutch adress) So do we want a policy that works but could
endanger the Foundation because they are still responsible.



2011/7/9 Gerard Meijssen 

> Hoi,
> If you do not trust the person involved, you are crazy to send him a copy
> of
> your passport. This is a common sense. This policy as it obviously works..
> what is really your issue ?
>
> Do we really need a theoretical approach that only can bring us less
> functionality ? I do not think so.
> Thanks,
>  GerardM
>
> On 9 July 2011 09:52, Huib Laurens  wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I want to know if there is a privacy concern on the Dutch Wikipedia.
> >
> > The short story:
> >
> > When you got blocked on the Dutch Wikipedia for socking you can remove
> the
> > block by sending a copy of your passport to a user thats trusted by the
> > community. After he checks your passport or all the passports involved if
> > you have a shared connection the block will be removed.
> >
> > The user where you have to send it to isn't indentified by the foundation
> > and you have to send it by snailmail not to OTRS.
> >
> > The foundations privacy policies does that allow this to happen?
> >
> >
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[Foundation-l] Privacy concerns

[Huib Laurens]

Hello,

I want to know if there is a privacy concern on the Dutch Wikipedia.

The short story:

When you got blocked on the Dutch Wikipedia for socking you can remove the
block by sending a copy of your passport to a user thats trusted by the
community. After he checks your passport or all the passports involved if
you have a shared connection the block will be removed.

The user where you have to send it to isn't indentified by the foundation
and you have to send it by snailmail not to OTRS.

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Re: [Foundation-l] BDS (hopefully) FUD?

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When you use Wikimania and Isreal or Wiki(M/P)edia with the word
Isreal there will be 3 bots telling you not to go :-(

2011/6/28, Kim Bruning :
>
> At least 1 BDS Activist has been running around on twitter telling people
> not to go to wikimania.
>   http://twitter.com/_C
>
> Our article on BDS:
>   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boycott,_Divestment_and_Sanctions
>
> BDS view and action on wikimania:
>   
> http://www.alternativenews.org/english/index.php/topics/economy-of-the-occupation/3439-bds-action-tell-wikimedia-not-to-hold-2011-annual-conference-in-israel-
>
> In particular, they state:
> " On the information page for the upcoming conference, the organizers also
> say, “Haifa is also easily accessible to the Palestinian
> community, which is often left out of conferences such as Wikimania due to
> special difficulties. This community has a high rate of
> Internet usage but little first-hand acquaintance with Wikipedia and other
> Wikimedia projects.”
>
> The statement, however, is not true. Participation for individuals from Gaza
> and the West Bank is impossible, unless they receive
> special permits from the Israeli military to enter Israel in order to
> attend."
>
> To be able to actively counter this claim, can we confirm that all
> palestinian wikimedians who want to come are indeed coming?
>
> sincerely,
>   Kim Bruning
>
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Re: [Foundation-l] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn

[Huib Laurens]

*facepalm*

2011/6/24, James Heilman via LinkedIn :
> LinkedIn
> 
>
>
>
>
> James Heilman requested to add you as a connection on LinkedIn:
>
> --
>
> Srikant,
>
> I'd like to add you to my professional network on LinkedIn.
>
> - James
>
> Accept invitation from James Heilman
> http://www.linkedin.com/e/-t9tct-gpanplzs-19/kEGYngBeZsro1F93qKeRGrJetgIrKFfJd2o_ToVctvnatuZm/blk/I52787614_75/pmpxnSRJrSdvj4R5fnhv9ClRsDgZp6lQs6lzoQ5AomZIpn8_djtvd34SdPwTczl9bPl1kldqgCdAbP8SdPcMdzcOcPcLrCBxbOYWrSlI/EML_comm_afe/
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Re: [Foundation-l] Plethora of overlapping Categories

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This should be on wikien-l instead of foundation-l I guess,

2011/6/21, Rui Correia :
> Hi
>
> I know I am in the wrong place for this. Normally this kind of thing would/
> should go on the "discuss" pages, but category discuss pages don't attract
> much attention.
>
> If you consult Categories: Sailors/ Navigators/ Explorers, you will see that
> quite a number of people are listed in these arguably (or not) overlapping
> categories for the same activity/ feat/ achievement.
>
> To put it into perspective, it makes sense to list a person in the
> categories of [[poet]], [[playwright]], etc, but in each of these categories
> such people would be different 'personae', with different works that make
> them merit being classified a poet or a playwright.
>
> On the other hand, to list - for example - Henry the Navigator/ Captain Cook
> as [[sailor]], [[navigator]], [[explorer]] looks odd as the activity
> undertaken to merit being given that title is only one. This is like calling
> a farmer a tiller/ sower/ weeder/ harvester/ etc.
>
> Generally, there is a problem with Categories, as many were created without
> any regard to hierarchy - we have examples of names that appear under
> "British explorers" or "15th century explorers", but then they are not
> listed under "explorers".
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rui
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Re: [Foundation-l] OTRS

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Yes I did. There has been no responds from them so far.

2011/6/7, Thomas Dalton :
> On 7 June 2011 11:17, Huib Laurens  wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Almost a week later there has been no responds bij the Foundation nor a
>> responds from the OTRS admins to this mailing nor in private.
>>
>> At this moment I'm starting to believe the Foundation and the OTRS admin's
>> doens't care at all about this. Are we really going to accept this kind of
>> behavior from the people that communicate for Wikimedia to people and
>> companies mailing to Wikimedia?
>
> Have you contacted the Ombudsman committee as I suggested? It's their
> job to handle complaints about possible breaches of the privacy
> policy. It's rare to get a satisfactory response to complaints on this
> mailing list. It's not really what it's here for.
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Re: [Foundation-l] OTRS

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Hello,

Almost a week later there has been no responds bij the Foundation nor a
responds from the OTRS admins to this mailing nor in private.

At this moment I'm starting to believe the Foundation and the OTRS admin's
doens't care at all about this. Are we really going to accept this kind of
behavior from the people that communicate for Wikimedia to people and
companies mailing to Wikimedia?

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Re: [Foundation-l] OTRS

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Hi,

I don't get it, why isn't it a problem when we start posting OTRS tickets to
pastebin.

The article was already deleted for more that 24 so there was no need to
give the information to SilverSpoon. SilverSpoon wasn't active with the
article so there was no need to share the information with him.

The OTRS agent told SilverSpoon that I (Huib) sended the e-mail, the e-mail
is send from my business account and the OTRS agent linked a business e-mail
to my private name, we didn't give any permission to link it to my account
nor I give any permission to tell people I sended that e-mail. If I would
liked to let everybody know that I sended it I would have signed it myself.

So if I understand correctly, its no problem that a OTRS agent posts a
e-mail to PASTEBIN and give private personal information about who sended
the ticket to non-involved users. And after that discuss the ticket
including the pastebin link in a public channel. After that we got a respond
from OTRS to our ticket saying that  the file is deleted and placing there
my personal name and making a attack towards my client.

Please tell me how this is not a problem, I believe my privacy is damaged,
my client thinks her privacy is dameged because of the accusation made by
the OTRS agent that she give me a task to promote her and that we are more
that "just" friends.

Please explain why Wikimedia Privacy Policy accept this? And is the
foundation taking steps towards the involved OTRS agents? One thing is sure,
I work with lot of writers and we will not ever give permission to Wikimedia
to use any of our content anymore.

Best,

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Re: [Foundation-l] OTRS

[Huib Laurens]

Thomas,

Who is the right person because it is a fact that a problem should be told
to the OTRS admins, after I did that he told me that it was my own problem.
So if there is somebody I should bring it up to now I would like to know.

This doesn't change the fact that I believe that SilverSpoon and the user
giving him the OTRS information damaged the privacy for both me and my
client, when we try to make all  website content aivable under a free
license we should be able to trust the Foundation and his volunteers. This
trust is broken, There was no reason what so ever that SilverSpoon needed to
know what was in the ticket.

I would like to know, will the foundation takes this serieus? Cuz this is
the second time for me, how many e-mails have been publiced also?

Best,

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Re: [Foundation-l] OTRS

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Hello,

Its a fact that this is the second time this happens, when you take it up to
the admins nothing will happen. Because I think this is not something that
should go away I take my loss and make this a public descussion. Otherwhise
nothing will happen again.

Its also a fact freakyfries a user with OTRS access says he told SilverSpoon
about it, and I guess that there is a log with everybody that read the
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Re: [Foundation-l] OTRS

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I'm complaining here because the OTRS Admin doesn't give a fuck. So there is
a option to leave it and let it go, or come to here,.
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Re: [Foundation-l] OTRS

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A screenshot SilverSpoon placed online about this:

http://img815.imageshack.us/img815/3260/10minutes.png
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Re: [Foundation-l] OTRS

[Huib Laurens]

Okay,

Than we have a problem here,

User Silverspoon publiced a e-mail I send to OTRS in a channel.

This e-mail (http://demo.wickedway.nl/temp/SS%20temp.jpg) is a e-mail I
sended to OTRS to release content. This e-mail was paste on pastebin to
discuss in a public IRC channel (
http://demo.wickedway.nl/temp/ss%20temp2.jpg),

Silverspoon told me he had the information from user:FreakyFries. I tried to
make a complaint by Guillom, the OTRS admin and he says he doesn't give a
fuck. (http://demo.wickedway.nl/temp/ss%20temp3.jpg)

At this moment I believe my privacy has been abbused by linking me to a
website in a private channel, I would like to see what the foundation thinks
about this since the person in charge thinks its perfectly normal to publish
private e-mails.

Best,

Huib
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[Foundation-l] OTRS

[Huib Laurens]

Hello,


I'm wondering, is there a policy for OTRS agents saying that they can't make
info send to OTRS public?

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Re: [Foundation-l] About Wikiepdia.org

[Huib Laurens]

Hi!

I kind of fail to see the Wikipedia or Wikimedia logos?

Best,

huib

2011/6/1 HW 

> Dear all,
>
> Now, some user report that the website wikiepdia.org is copying the
> Wikipedia
> logo without Wikimedia Foundation permission. And, it will make user
> misunderstand it is the real Wikipedia. Same case happen in wikiedia.org ,
> and
> the website all is redirect to http://www.inforewardsurvey.com/ . Should
> the
> Wikimedia Foundation take action? See http://zhwp.org/WP:COMPLAINT
>
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Re: [Foundation-l] [Fwd: Re: Do WMF want enwp.org?]

[Huib Laurens]

But we are still going offtopic. I guess we should take the offer for
enwp.org how to go forward is later business right?

Huib

2011/5/9 Casey Brown 

> On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 3:09 AM, Keegan Peterzell 
> wrote:
> > On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 1:58 AM, John Vandenberg 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> http://commons.org/ would be nice.  have we tried approaching them?
> >>
> >> --
> >> John Vandenberg
> >
> > Who, exactly, is in charge of domain registration at the WMF?
> >
>
> I believe it's Rob Halsell.  I forwarded Thomas's original e-mail to
> him yesterday to see if he could do anything to help; we'll see what
> he says. :-)
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[Foundation-l] Peering

[Huib Laurens]

Hello,

The foundationsite says in the article peering that the foundation is
looking for free rack-space / routers.

What kind of facilities do they want? Is there a more detailed pages
with the wishes en needs for the foundation, or can that be geven here
on the list?

Best,

Huib

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Re: [Foundation-l] multilingual mailing list

[Huib Laurens]

2011/3/8 Casey Brown 

> \
> What Thomas says may seem like a joke, but it's actually something
> that's happened on this list in the past. :-)  I remember a thread
> where I was talking with someone in English while they responded in
> German.  We used Google Translate to figure out what each other was
> saying and then we responded in our own language.
>

I remember a French case also :-)

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Re: [Foundation-l] Steward election issues

[Huib Laurens]

Lo sentimos, pero el Inglés es el idioma principal en esta lista.
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Re: [Foundation-l] [Announce] Brion Vibber to rejoin Wikimedia Foundation

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Lo sentimos, pero el Inglés es el idioma principal en esta lista.
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Re: [Foundation-l] Remarks on Wikimedia's fundraiser

[Huib Laurens]

I still think it was a bad thing that the fundraiser crew decided to use
"Sue Gardner director of Wikipedia" in the banners because it raised more
money... A very bad thing because everybody knows here that she isn't the
director for Wikipedia.
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Re: [Foundation-l] Licenses' biodiversity : my big disagreement with the Wikimedia usability initiative's software specifications

[Huib Laurens]

I'm starting to think you just don't like changes... every change that is
done will result in a email from you
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Re: [Foundation-l] VPAT

[Huib Laurens]

Section 508, an amendment to the United States Workforce Rehabilitation Act
of 1973, is a federal law mandating that all electronic and information
technology developed, procured, maintained, or used by the federal
government be accessible to people with disabilities. Technology is deemed
to be "accessible" if it can be used as effectively by people with
disabilities as by those without. To demonstate that a product or Web
service is in compliance with Section 508, the creator completes a Voluntary
Product Accessibility Template (VPAT), an "informational tool" that
describes exactly how the product or service does or does not meet Section
508 standards. The completed VPAT gets posted on the creator's Web site to
provide government officials and consumers with access to the information.

The scope of Section 508 is limited to the federal sector. It includes
binding, enforceable standards, as well as compliance reporting requirements
and a complaint procedure. Section 508 doesn't apply to the private sector,
nor does it impose requirements on the recipients of federal funding.
Because the federal government has so much purchasing power, however, it is
hoped that Section 508 will encourage the developement of products and
Web-based services that meet accessibility standards. To that end, the
United Stated Department of Education now requires states funded by the
Assistive Technology Act State Grant program (a grant program that supports
consumer-driven state projects to improve access to assistive
technologydevices
and services) to comply with Section 508.
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Re: [Foundation-l] Since Egypt has shutdown internet, should we too?

[Huib Laurens]

Hello,

When we close our site in support.. Than we don't support free information
for everyone.. Than we close the information down...

Best,

Huib

2011/1/28 Ashar Voultoiz >

> Hello,
>
> Tonight, Egypt has ordered all operators to shut down their BGP
> adjacencies with out of countries providers.  This mean Egypt is
> disconnected from the rest of the internet.
>
> I am wondering, should we just close our site in support? That would
> surely have a huge impact and show how much we care about free
> information for everyone.
>
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Re: [Foundation-l] Request for assistance

[Huib Laurens]

Thnks for posting that Peter is running for admin... Will support right
away.

Huib

2011/1/5 M. Williamson 

> Virgilio:
>
> Many thanks for the information. I have, after reviewing the evidence
> you presented, casted my vote in support of Peter Symonds' adminship
> on Meta.
>
> Muito obrigado pela informação. Depois de avaliar a evidência
> apresentada, votei a favor da proposta da concessão de poderes
> administrativos a Peter Symonds em Meta.
>
> -m.
>
> 2011/1/5 Virgilio A. P. Machado :
> > To all women and men of good faith who are members of this mailing list,
> > please check the following pages:
> >
> > 1)
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_adminship/PeterSymonds
> >
> > 2)
> >
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta_talk:Requests_for_adminship/PeterSymonds
> >
> > 3)
> >
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_bureaucrat#Vapmachado_.28talk_.E2.80.A2_contribs.29_-_ban_request
> >
> > 4) http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Vapmachado#Block
> >
> > 5)
> >
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=User%3AVapmachado&type=block
> >
> > 6) http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Vapmachado
> >
> > and any further information on the user page:
> >
> > 7) http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado
> >
> > Please let me know:
> >
> > a) why my request for unblock was never answered,
> >
> > b) where on page (2) are the occurrences of "harassment,"
> >
> > c) if after Dec. 23, "he's just returned to do the same thing that lead
> > him to be blocked in the first instance.",
> >
> > d) where are the occurrences of "continued hostile behavior,"
> >
> > e) towards what or whom is that "continued hostile behavior,"
> >
> > f) why my "interesting history" of "cross-wiki" pioneering achievements
> is
> > never mentioned, a clear violation of a NPOV in decision making.
> >
> > The accusations of "meatpuppetry and privacy violations" based on highly
> > controverted and irregular cases, may still turn out to be defamatory,
> and
> > it is not very wise to use them to attack the reputation, honor and good
> > name of this user.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Virgilio A. P. Machado
> >
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Re: [Foundation-l] Fundraising banners

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To bad this fundraiser used lies, and other things the community didn't want...


Sue exicutive director wikipedia as example

2011/1/1, Keegan Peterzell :
> +1 with a :) and a cherry on top.
>
> On 12/31/2010 8:34 PM, Philippe Beaudette wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> We wanted you to hear first: in about three hours, we're switching the
>> messaging on the banners to "Thank you!"  It's time to thank the world,
>> because the world came together to help support the Wikimedia projects.
>> We're delighted to report that nearly half a million donations came in.
>> It's a resounding vote of confidence in what you've done with the
>> projects.  So take a moment to stop, to celebrate, and to enjoy the
>> accomplishment... and then it's time to focus on the tenth anniversary
>> year!
>>
>> You may notice that the fundraising statistics page doesn't quite say
>> $16M.  Since you might be asked about that, here's the math we used to
>> arrive at the end of the fundraiser:
>>
>> In addition to the amount posted on the graph (roughly $13.5M), we have
>> about $1.5 million in revenue received during testing or received but not
>> yet posted (manual check entry, etc).  We've been counting on $500,000
>> from the chapters in our thermometer formula but given the extraordinary
>> chapter fundraising success this year, we're confident that we'll be over
>> the $16M mark.  (We're also including an adjusted value for the recurring
>> gifts that we've received this year.)
>>
>> We're delighted to be able to start 2011 with our community giving goal
>> already met.  We did this in a collaborative fashion: testing nearly 200
>> banner ideas submitted by the community, using translations, with
>> community involvement in the testing, and in the next phase of the
>> campaign - encouraging people to edit.
>>
>> We'll be running "Thank you" banners for the next few days to tell the
>> world how much this editing community appreciates their financial support,
>> and then will convert to banners inviting people to get involved in tenth
>> anniversary celebrations around the world, and to make their first edit
>> (the "contribution" phase of the campaign).
>>
>> Now let's go celebrate!
>>
>> Zack Exley
>> Philippe Beaudette
>> Megan Hernandez
>>
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>>
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>>
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Re: [Foundation-l] Fw： About WM private policy

[Huib Laurens]

Thats the discission for the community not the foundation.



2010/12/24 HW 

> *re-sent due some problem on foundation-l*
>
> A recent discussion on zh Wikipedia is talking about the WMF private policy
> which is on http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Privacy_policy . Some IP
> user
> says that in the sentence "The Foundation does not require editors to
> register
> with a project. Anyone can edit without logging in with a username, in
> which
> case they will be identified by network IP address." , createpage is a
> edit, so
> the wiki should not disable IP's createpage and allowed only user to
> createpage.
>
>
> The question is: IS CREATEPAGE MUST NOT BE DISABLE TO IP USER?
>
> Please WMF staff answer this question and it is related to a recent
> discussion
> on
> http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:%E4%BA%92%E5%8A%A9%E5%AE%A2%E6%A0%88/%E6%96%B9%E9%92%88#.E6.8F.90.E8.AB.8B.E7.84.A1.E6.A2.9D.E4.BB.B6.E5.BB.A2.E9.99.A4.E6.9C.89.E9.97.9C.E9.96.8B.E6.94.BEIP.E5.89.B5.E5.BB.BA.E6.A2.9D.E7.9B.AE.E6.AC.8A.E9.99.90.E7.9A.84.E6.8A.95.E7.A5.A8
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>
> Thanks.
> HW - user of zhwiki.
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Re: [Foundation-l] How to contact the foundation's legal department?

[Huib Laurens]

Why are you saying the staff answer is wrong? If staff says use
le...@wikimedia.org why are you changing it?

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2010/12/18 Dan Rosenthal 

> Correction. I've just seen Jon's email about having fixed le...@.
>
> However, it is still preferable to send legal email to
> legal...@wikimedia.org for a faster resolution and for ease on our end.
> Nobody has made the OTRS team (especially the legal team) aware of any
> policy changes on that end, so if something major has changed without
> telling us, someone's got some explaining to do.
>
> -Dan
>
>
> On Dec 18, 2010, at 5:13 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:
>
> > Dan Rosenthal, 17/12/2010 01:01:
> >> If you have a legal question, best to send it to legal...@wikimedia.org.
> It will be routed much faster and is much preferable.
> >
> > Please stop it: this is incorrect and perhaps you should at least double
> > check if someone says it's incorrect, especially after a WMF staffer
> > like Jon has confirmed so.
> > «00:18 <+sgardner> If anyone (editors, chapters people, etc.) have legal
> > questions or problems, Steven's correct -- legal_AT_wikimedia.org is
> > where to send them»
> > (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours/Office_hours_2010-10-27).
> > I hope this is enough.
> >
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Re: [Foundation-l] How to contact the foundation's legal department?

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Hi,

I would say when you aren't sure or you think you are sure but don't have a
source just don't answer?

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Re: [Foundation-l] How to contact the foundation's legal department?

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Hello,

As far as I know: le...@wikimedia.org

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Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Executive Director?

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I switched the option on to get notification when my emails get to the
list... But that seems to stopped working today?


2010/12/9 Noein 

> You don't receive your own mails. We got two copies of your previous
> mail. You can check on the pipermail. [1]
>
>
> [1]: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/
>
> On 09/12/2010 19:39, Huib Laurens wrote:
> > Am I placed on moderation? all my previous emails seem to fail?
> >
> >
> > 2010/12/9 Austin Hair 
> >
> >> 2010/12/9 KIZU Naoko :
> >>> I don't support this word choice: on twitter.com Japanese speaking
> >>> reader mistook it as "one of English Wikipedia admins" "someone who
> >>> writes articles" etc.
> >>>
> >>> Not only "smaller" projects but also on the Wikipedia, this factual
> >>> error is better to correct I think. I heard it placed only on enwiki
> >>> (in a downtime I haven't confirmed yet), but English is no mother
> >>> tongue of every reader of the English Wikipedia. Factual error and
> >>> language barriers may spread false information.
> >>
> >> Not to mention cultural barriers.  In Wikipedia communities with (to
> >> me, uncomfortably) structured hierarchies―"Senior Editor," "Editor
> >> Second Class," "Senior Chief Petty Editor"―this is bound to confuse
> >> the heck out of people.  As mentioned elsewhere in this thread, we
> >> have enough problems trying to differentiate between Wikileaks and
> >> Wikimedia; having to revisit Wikimedia vs. Wikipedia is understandably
> >> frustrating to those of us who've spent years explaining the
> >> difference.
> >>
> >> It's easy to point fingers at an almost exclusively North American
> >> staff and cry "cultural ignorance," but I'm not―I know that plenty of
> >> people on staff have years of experience working across cultures, even
> >> if it's talking to foreigners on IRC.
> >>
> >> I wonder, though, who on staff can name the editor ranks on zhwiki?
> >>
> >> Austin
> >>
> >>> On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 10:55 AM, John Vandenberg 
> >> wrote:
> >>>> On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Philippe Beaudette
> >>>>  wrote:
> >>>>> FWIW
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The word Wikipedia wasn't supposed to make it to sister sites, and
> >> that's being fixed right now, so pardon my quick note... I'll write a
> bit
> >> more later about the term as being used on Wikipedia, but the error in
> >> pushing it out to sister sites is being corrected right now, so I wanted
> to
> >> acknowledge that...
> >>>>
> >>>> Wikipedia does not have an Executive Director, or anything of the
> >>>> sort.  That title suggests that Sue has the final say over content.  I
> >>>> don't think it should be used anywhere.
> >>>>
> >>>> But, thanks for at least removing it from the 'smaller' projects.
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> John Vandenberg
> >>>>
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> >>> --
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> >>> member of Wikimedians in Kansai  / 関西ウィキメディアユーザ会
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Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Executive Director?

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Am I placed on moderation? all my previous emails seem to fail?


2010/12/9 Austin Hair 

> 2010/12/9 KIZU Naoko :
> > I don't support this word choice: on twitter.com Japanese speaking
> > reader mistook it as "one of English Wikipedia admins" "someone who
> > writes articles" etc.
> >
> > Not only "smaller" projects but also on the Wikipedia, this factual
> > error is better to correct I think. I heard it placed only on enwiki
> > (in a downtime I haven't confirmed yet), but English is no mother
> > tongue of every reader of the English Wikipedia. Factual error and
> > language barriers may spread false information.
>
> Not to mention cultural barriers.  In Wikipedia communities with (to
> me, uncomfortably) structured hierarchies―"Senior Editor," "Editor
> Second Class," "Senior Chief Petty Editor"―this is bound to confuse
> the heck out of people.  As mentioned elsewhere in this thread, we
> have enough problems trying to differentiate between Wikileaks and
> Wikimedia; having to revisit Wikimedia vs. Wikipedia is understandably
> frustrating to those of us who've spent years explaining the
> difference.
>
> It's easy to point fingers at an almost exclusively North American
> staff and cry "cultural ignorance," but I'm not―I know that plenty of
> people on staff have years of experience working across cultures, even
> if it's talking to foreigners on IRC.
>
> I wonder, though, who on staff can name the editor ranks on zhwiki?
>
> Austin
>
> > On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 10:55 AM, John Vandenberg 
> wrote:
> >> On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Philippe Beaudette
> >>  wrote:
> >>> FWIW
> >>>
> >>> The word Wikipedia wasn't supposed to make it to sister sites, and
> that's being fixed right now, so pardon my quick note... I'll write a bit
> more later about the term as being used on Wikipedia, but the error in
> pushing it out to sister sites is being corrected right now, so I wanted to
> acknowledge that...
> >>
> >> Wikipedia does not have an Executive Director, or anything of the
> >> sort.  That title suggests that Sue has the final say over content.  I
> >> don't think it should be used anywhere.
> >>
> >> But, thanks for at least removing it from the 'smaller' projects.
> >>
> >> --
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> >>
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[Foundation-l] Fwd: Fundraising more important than the Truth?

[Huib Laurens]

Hello,

I don't like to send emails like this but I don't see a solution other than
this.

I understand that we need money to keep the Wikimedia Foundation running,
and yes I support the fundraiser and I donated money. But do we want money
because we told people other things than the truth I find it kind of strange
and very disturbing that there are things that currently being used to get
money from visitors while those things are simply wrong.

First we have the donating landing page and it say's

Together, we can keep it free of charge and free of advertising. We can keep
it open – you can use the information in Wikipedia any way you want. We can
keep it growing – spreading knowledge everywhere, and inviting participation
from everyone...

*free of charge*

The content on Wikipedia is written under a free license that means
everybody can use in all ways saying that Wikipedia will be a payed source
of information will just be wrong because all the content is on mirrors and
even if it goes bad it will always be free for everybody somewhere.


Secondly:

There is a banner saying Sue is the Director of Wikipedia and there is a
discussion about that where somebody of the fundraising team say's that they
are testing what gives more money... Telling people Sue the director of
Wikipedia or Sue the Director for the Wikimedia Foundation...


But the Fundraising team knows that they are wrong because the Sue's letter
says: *Wikipedia will always be free* (
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Template:2010/SueLetterA/en)


But let us ask the quistion: Do we want to make this our best fundraiser
knowing we didn't tell the truth about things or do we think we can be open
and clear about roles, functions and facts?  I hope we choose the last
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[Foundation-l] Fundraising more important than the Truth?

[Huib Laurens]

Hello,

I don't like to send emails like this but I don't see a solution other than
this.

I understand that we need money to keep the Wikimedia Foundation running,
and yes I support the fundraiser and I donated money. But do we want money
because we told people other things than the truth I find it kind of strange
and very disturbing that there are things that currently being used to get
money from visitors while those things are simply wrong.

First we have the donating landing page and it say's

Together, we can keep it free of charge and free of advertising. We can keep
it open – you can use the information in Wikipedia any way you want. We can
keep it growing – spreading knowledge everywhere, and inviting participation
from everyone...

*free of charge*

The content on Wikipedia is written under a free license that means
everybody can use in all ways saying that Wikipedia will be a payed source
of information will just be wrong because all the content is on mirrors and
even if it goes bad it will always be free for everybody somewhere.


Secondly:

There is a banner saying Sue is the Director of Wikipedia and there is a
discussion about that where somebody of the fundraising team say's that they
are testing what gives more money... Telling people Sue the director of
Wikipedia or Sue the Director for the Wikimedia Foundation...


But the Fundraising team knows that they are wrong because the Sue's letter
says: *Wikipedia will always be free* (
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Template:2010/SueLetterA/en)


But let us ask the quistion: Do we want to make this our best fundraiser
knowing we didn't tell the truth about things or do we think we can be open
and clear about roles, functions and facts?  I hope we choose the last
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Re: [Foundation-l] Pieter Kuiper

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Hello,

Strange that Pieter kan rule Wikimedia Commons... So far that the Foundation
need to step in.

Btw, there is even a request to get him blocked on OTRS...

People need to take action on Commons and don't point fingers because
nothing will happen than.


Huib

2010/12/7 FT2 

> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Virgilio A. P. Machado  >wrote:
>
> > The only Wikipedian that has been dealt with by an arbcom by his real
> > name, NOT his user name!
> >
>
> This tag line is extremely inaccurate, for what it's worth.
>
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Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Re: [VereinDE-l] Bericht zur Verleihung der Zedler-Me...

[Huib Laurens]

Dutch Wikipedia has multible members that aren't admins

2010/12/6, John Vandenberg :
> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 12:42 AM, Huib Laurens  wrote:
>> Sinds its not only English Wikipedia but foundation wide I can say we have
>> people becomming Arbcom without being a Admin.. We had CheckUsers without
>> being a admin. So its not a ladder.
>
> Hi Huib,
>
> Which project has had ArbCom members that were not admins?
>
> There is a related discussion started on meta.
>
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Arbitration_Committee#Access_to_WMF_private_information
>
>
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Sinds its not only English Wikipedia but foundation wide I can say we have
people becomming Arbcom without being a Admin.. We had CheckUsers without
being a admin. So its not a ladder.

Huib

2010/12/4 

> In a message dated 12/4/2010 6:50:38 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> geni...@gmail.com writes:
>
>
> > Actually we have at least 3.
> >
> > Editor, admin bureaucrat, steward, dev.
> >
> > everyone, arbcom
> >
> > Everyone, foundation, foundation board.
> >
>
> Not three Geni, one.
> Has anyone become Arbcom without being an admin?
> Has anyone become Bureaucrat without being an admin?
> Has anyone become Foundation Board without being an admin?
>
> It's all one ladder.
> Sure it's *possible* for a non-admin to be elected to Arbcom, but when it's
> never happened, the truth should be apparent.
>
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Re: [Foundation-l] foundation-l Digest, Vol 81, Issue 3

[Huib Laurens]

I mailed to all moderators but I guess none of them are online in this
timezone?



2010/12/3 Корецкий Богдан 

> How interesting!
> Maybe I can help?
> If I can, please answer me about that.
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Re: [Foundation-l] should not web server logs (of requests) be published?

[Huib Laurens]

Do you have a source that many people use dymamic ip's? Cuz I'm pretty sure
most of the regular visiters use one ip.

2010/11/28 dinar qorbanof 

> i do not think that ip address is so important private information,
> many people browse through dynamic ip and NAT.
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Re: [Foundation-l] should not web server logs (of requests) be published?

[Huib Laurens]

Its againt the privacy poliicy to publish logs like that, and there is
really no good reason given why people should see al the ip
information for all visitors on a wiki

2010/11/28, dinar qorbanof :
> hello
> should not web server logs (of requests) be published?
>
> my native language is tatar and i would or i am going to write to
> tatar wikipedia and say other people to write to it.
> authors/managers/administrators of tatar texts are tatar people. for
> that i think it is correct if tatar people can see web server logs. i
> think this would not be bad for privacy of readers, because they would
> see that logs are published, and can access wikipedia through proxy to
> hide their ip address. ip-addresses of anonymous writers are already
> published. if anonymouse readers want to hide their referer or search
> keywords, they also can hide that by copy-pasting wikipedia article
> url, and this also should be said shortly on every page and in privacy
> page.
> another advantage of this is that people could create custom analysers
> of the logs.
>
> i think logs should be divided with directory structure by years,
> months, days, and probably hours.
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Re: [Foundation-l] Call for a moratorium on all new software developments

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2010/9/9 Teofilo 

> 2010/9/7, Teofilo :
> > 2010/9/7, Tim Starling :
> >
> >> Presumably this conspiracy would have to extend beyond the WMF to
> >> PediaPress and Purodha Blissenbach, the developers of Collection and
> >> mobile.wikipedia.org respectively.
> >
> > The absence of a history tab in the mobile format is in my view an
> > exact measurement of the temperature of the warmth of the relations
> > between the WMF and its contributors.
> >
> > Let's not call this a conspiracy. Philosopher Pierre Bourdieu  would
> > call it an unconcious strategy (1).
>
> The other reason why we can't call this a conspiracy is that a
> conspiracy is usually kept secret, while that agenda is known by a lot
> of people. They even managed to organise a vote and found a majority
> approving it at
>
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Licensing_update/Result
>
> The result is the adding of "You agree that a hyperlink or URL is
> sufficient attribution under the Creative Commons license" on every
> edit tab footer.
>
> The result is that it is thought that it is OK to distribute contents
> without the history tab, the author's names remaining in a format not
> readable on the device the user is using. So all these things are
> features of the new vastly known agenda. They are not bugs.
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There was nothing secret about that vote, we announced it on all wiki's and
we kept public archives for our mailinglist.

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Re: [Foundation-l] You have been unsubscribed from the WikimediaAnnounce-l mailing list

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O.o



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Re: [Foundation-l] ru-Wikiversuty

[Huib Laurens]

saying you suspend all your work untill this is resolved will not help, this
is a community matter not a foundation matter.


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Re: [Foundation-l] Korean Wikinews created

[Huib Laurens]

frr.wikipedia.org is also created yesterday, but didn't got a notification
on the new projects list?


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[Foundation-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] relocating search servers

[Huib Laurens]

forwarding because this hits more people than just wikitech-l

-- Forwarded message --
From: Robert Stojnic 
Date: 2010/8/12
Subject: [Wikitech-l] relocating search servers
To: Wikimedia developers 



Hi all,

We are currently relocating some servers internally in the datacenter.
As a consequence, search snippets, "did you mean..." and interwiki
search are going to be turned off during this time, and only bare
results shown. This will affect all WMF wikis. I expect, if everything
goes well, that in around 4-5h things are going to go back to normal.

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Re: [Foundation-l] Announcing my departure from the Wikimedia Foundation

[Huib Laurens]

Cary,

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Re: [Foundation-l] [TODAY] Office Hour for Thursday, July 22, featuring Sue Gardner

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Hi,

The [TODAY] in the topic is kind of wrong I guess, you made me wonder
if I was wrong about the date today :P


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Re: [Foundation-l] [Wiktionary-l] Adopting OmegaWiki as Wikimedia project

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Hello,

I fail to see how this project could be usefull for the Wiktionary projects,
because it will probably bring double stuff, we have some big projects there
in some languages, why should be bring on a new project that would be
multilingual? It sounds that we only have double work.

And Wikimedia stands for open content that everybody can change, will
OmegaWiki use all wikimedia rules when it would be a project?




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Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Serbia billboard campaign

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Hi,

The billboards look pretty cool!

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Re: [Foundation-l] Office Hour for Friday, June 11, featuring Mike Godwin

[Huib Laurens]

Hi,

It would be great to have one from the technical staff also...

Best,


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Re: [Foundation-l] Archivage down?

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6 message on the mailinglist, could we make a announcement or something?



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Re: [Foundation-l] Where things stand now

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Dear mr Wales,

I don't understand you, I really don't

You are saying you want to clean up Commons from hardcore porn but you are
deleting art work or pictures that doesn't even show boobs.

Did you just nuke or did you look at what you did?




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Re: [Foundation-l] Jimbo's Sexual Image Deletions

[Huib Laurens]

But how should we see Jimbo's actions?

Jimbo isn't a administrator on Commons, the community didn't vote about his
adminship so he is using the Founder flag.

That he can use the Founder flag for doing his thing we can see this as a
staff / board action?

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Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Announcement list is active

[Huib!]

Hello,


The creation of this list sound very good, but when I read the rules on 
Meta I think the list is going to be spammed with non or less important 
information.

Participation announcements for Wiki meet-up

I'm sure there is a Wiki meet-up every weekend around the globe, posting 
this information to this list will probably spam. People interested in 
joining wiki meet-ups would find it in a local site and this list would 
probably reach to much people. Or there should be more information like 
Wiki meet-ups bigger than X people or something like that.


Publication of new issues of Wikipedia signpost, Wikizine, and other

The same here, when people would subscribe to this list they want to 
read about the announcements from the Foundation and there chapters, The 
Wikipedia Signpost is a weekly post and I guess people wouldn't want to 
subscribe to a announcement list en recieve multiple emails a week.

I would rather see to keep this list only for big events, announcement 
from staff, chapters and board and keep the other smaller things off 
this list.


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Re: [Foundation-l] Office Hour for Thursday, February 25

[Huib!]

Thomas Dalton schreef:
> On 25 February 2010 10:02, Huib!  wrote:
>   
>> Hi,
>>
>> It could also be a idea to ask Danese Cooper to come by on IRC for a
>> hour. But I would like it when Tim Starling would come by also... Yes he
>> is always on IRC but almost always busy :)
>> 
>
> Give Danese a chance to settle in first! She hasn't had a chance to
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Re: [Foundation-l] Office Hour for Thursday, February 25

[Huib!]

Hi,

It could also be a idea to ask Danese Cooper to come by on IRC for a 
hour. But I would like it when Tim Starling would come by also... Yes he 
is always on IRC but almost always busy :)

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Re: [Foundation-l] sell wikipedia

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Hello,

Why would anybody want to buy it if it is possible to download it for free?

Make a page on the wmf site where people can "buy" a hd with wikimedia
content and donated it to a school or something like that sounds more
like a nice idea.

Best regards,

Huib

2010/1/21, ster...@aol.com :
>
> store it on memory chip or HD and sell it
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Re: [Foundation-l] commercial use of wikipedia content

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Hello,

If I read your example there is something missing, its very important
that you also add the license and the note that everybody can use the
content for personal or commercional use according the terms stated in
the license.

I don't think you can change the license and when you sell it, it
would stay under a free license.

Huib

2009/12/27, Istvan Soos :
> Hi,
>
> I'm evaluating our legal options around commercially using wikipedia
> content, if this is not the right forum, please let me know / forward
> the question. It might be that the method I describe is not legally
> possible, so if there is any similar situation that does or does not
> work, please let me know either. I'd like to play safe in this field
> and avoid potential issues.
>
> For the sake of example we would like to automatically convert the
> page content to a different text and different format (e.g.
> automatically create text extracts and compile it into a pdf document)
> and sell it as part of a subscription service or even better as a
> standalone product. We include all the attributions / links wherever
> possible, and mark that the source of the product is Wikipedia. What
> else are we required to do before the sell can happen? Is there any
> fee or percentage that shall go back to mediawiki foundation in such
> cases? Can we restrict the copy or re-distribution of such product?
> For the later, I suppose there is nothing we can do, however this
> seems to ruin the whole business model, doesn't it?
>
> Thank you for your help,
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Re: [Foundation-l] Foundation-l open for business, with changes

[Huib!]

Hi,

I think its a good idea and maybe it will bring some new people active 
on this list. Since we have a lot of people reading and only a little 
group posting.

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Re: [Foundation-l] Recent firing?

[Huib!]

Hello,

I normally only read this list because I don't see the need to get 
really involved into discussion a lot, but while reading this I had the 
feeling that I should respond.

As far as I see it there was been a question and it has been answered 
with the answer that Erik isn't going to respond on rumours and will 
make a announcement when needed, so why does pushing for a answer?

Wouldn't it be better to sit back and wait of and when there will be a 
announcement? Its just like Wikipedia we can't think trust something 
untill its verified and pushing isn't going to help :)

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Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Laboratories

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Hi Gerard,

Its a test wiki to testwiki used to test extensions unlike the test.wiki
this one is running on a copy of the English Wikibooks database.

Currently there are 4 extensions there, you could read more on
http://en.labs.wikimedia.org

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Re: [Foundation-l] Proposal: foundation-announce-l

[Huib!]

I would say no to this,

A second list with more rules will mean more reading work, double posting
cross posting...

Rules can be good, but we need moderators and list admins to make sure the
rules are not broken, those people need to put time in this.. and all that
time we could beter place in working on Free media.

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Re: [Foundation-l] moderate this list

[Huib!]

Hello,

Some people are more active than other people on this list, but I don't
see a problem with the both names you mention.

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[Foundation-l] Closure of projects

[Huib!]

Hello,

I noticed that there are still a lot of open request for closure on Meta 
so I decided to contact a LangCom member (Robin) asking him about how 
and when the projects will be closed or when the requests will be 
closed, but I recieved a answer I didn't expected.

Robin told me there was no policy ( 
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Closure_of_WMF_projects ) about the 
closure of projects so the request can stay open for always.


I think its kind of strange that we people can make a request, that 
there are people who are voting and spending there time commenting on 
the request or even worse have stress because there project could be 
closed but the request will never be closed.


Is there a way to change this with a new policy, or with a different com 
for the closure, because this seems to me a waste of time for a lot of 
people, people can stop editting projects just because the think the 
project will be closed.

At this moment there are 27 request for projects to be closed, ( 
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposals_for_closing_projects ) I think 
50% is a easy closure for keep or close. The oldest project is from 2007 
that would mean its still open after 2 years :/

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Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

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Hello,

As far as I know the email users function doesn't show the emailadres to 
people so you could email me with that function and you still doesn't 
have my emailadres :)

Best regards,
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Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

[Huib!]

Hello,

Aren't we working to wrong way, I think it should be better to let 
people opt-in, because we didn't release our e-mail addresses for this 
kind of spam. I use different emails for private / mailinglist use and I 
didn't give permission to use my private email.

Its kind of stupid that this email isn't send out when the election 
started, but is send when a lot of people already voted, and its 
unneeded now so its spam.

But its very good to know that my three bots can vote to, if the 
election commitee sends me a email that the bots can vote, I'm sure they 
are really allowed right? :P


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Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Policy Interlingual Coordinationn - WP:NOT

[Huib!]

Hello,

Could you discuss this outside the list? I don't see why it would be
important for this list.

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Re: [Foundation-l] Two questions about the licensing update of media files

[Huib!]

Hello,

Wikimedia prefers material under a CC license but it will stay possible to
upload gfdl only material.

But whenever its possible try to upload it under a cc-by license or a dual
license.

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Re: [Foundation-l] British Association of Picture Libraries and Agencies sides with NPG

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Hello,

A mirror can be found here:

http://images.forgotten-beauty.com/NPG%20and%20BAPLA.txt

Best regards,

Huib

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Re: [Foundation-l] Hungarian Wikinews licence

[Huib!]

Hello,

A different question on the same topic,

However I completely support the change to cc-by-sa-3.0, I'm wondering 
if its possible to change the cc-by-2.5 license into a cc-by-sa-3.0 
license without having to deal with big problems, when I read the 
license I find this:

"This License constitutes the entire agreement between the parties with 
respect to the Work licensed here. There are no understandings, 
agreements or representations with respect to the Work not specified 
here. Licensor shall not be bound by any additional provisions that may 
appear in any communication from You. This License may not be modified 
without the mutual written agreement of the Licensor and You."

Wouldn't that mean that we must organize a big vote on that wiki that it 
will adapt a new license, or even worse there are also ip users that 
released there rights under that license.

I'm not completely sure how I must see this.

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Huib

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Re: [Foundation-l] Board elections candidacy period time change

[Huib!]

Hello,

The globalsite notice is working again :D
I removed the local sitenotice on incubator and Commons.

Huib

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