Re: [Foundation-l] help.wikimedia.org - Q&A site

[K. Peachey]

On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Jan Kučera  wrote:
> new projects suck, because there are (close to) none

Well propose a non sucky one then?

TBH I don't class a Q&A site really as a new project. Since that bug
(if memory serves correctly) is just about setting one up for
questions about using/editing WMF projects compared to a more general
Q&A involving almost any topic questions.

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Re: [Foundation-l] Guidelines for the use of iframes?

[K. Peachey]

That should be reverted right now per our privacy policy and any
others on site. No different than share button usage.

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Re: [Foundation-l] Feedback tab on the English Wikipedia

[K. Peachey]

On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 12:45 PM, Brandon Harris  wrote:
>        Let's be clear about our (admittedly informal) policy here:

What is informal about our process?

* Community gains consenus for feature to be activated (and the
desired config if required)
* Bug gets filled in BugZilla
* Extension is translated if needed at TranslateWiki (If needed)
* Eventually gets activated by a Shellie.

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Re: [Foundation-l] "Cartman Gets an Anal Probe" English Wikipedia's featured article today

[K. Peachey]

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 10:51 PM, Fred Bauder  wrote:
> Casting aside the infantile slogan, "Wikipedia is not censored", I think
> having the pilot of South Park on the Main Page is quite appropriate; the
> subject is significant.
>
> Fred

Really, It's not that much different than the Simpson episodes there
have been on the MP, Just this one has a more "adult"ish name attached
to it...

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Re: [Foundation-l] Murdoch Company Claims Copyright on Wikipedia Video

[K. Peachey]

On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 5:38 PM,   wrote:
> PS: Commons was not used due to file size restrictions.
If you get the files to the foundation staff in some method (USB
Drive/DVD/Hosted on a server somewhere they can download them) they
can get them uploaded to commons without worrying about the upload
size.

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[Foundation-l] Stewards keeping editing rights on en.wiki for "emergency edits"... yeah...

[K. Peachey]

Can someone remind me, Which ones of these are emergency edits?

(Plain text format: )


N19:15  User:Leinad/common.js‎ (diff | hist) . . (+37) . . Leinad
(talk | contribs) (←Created page with 'function insertBanner(a) {
return; }')
 19:15  User:Darkoneko/monobook.css‎‎ (2 changes | hist) . .
(+330) . . [Darkoneko‎ (2×)]
19:15 (cur | prev) . . (+401) . . Darkoneko (talk | contribs)
(god, the default diff colors are totally unreadable.)
16:34 (cur | prev) . . (-71) . . Darkoneko (talk | contribs)
N19:13  User:Darkoneko/monobook.js‎ (diff | hist) . . (+38) . .
Darkoneko (talk | contribs) (←Created page with 'function
insertBanner(a) { return; }')
N19:09  User:Leinad/monobook.css‎‎ (2 changes | hist) . . (+34) 
.
. [Leinad‎ (2×)]
19:09 (cur | prev) . . (+3) . . Leinad (talk | contribs)
N   18:59 (cur | prev) . . (+31) . . Leinad (talk | contribs)
(←Created page with '#sopaOverlay { display: none; }')
 18:02  (User creation log) . . Prodego (talk | contribs) created
new account User:SOPAonWheels! (BECAUSE I CAN'T DO ANYTHING ELSE)
 17:52  Wikipedia:SOPA initiative/Action‎‎ (2 changes | hist) . 
.
(0) . . [Matanya‎; PeterSymonds‎]
 m  17:52 (cur | prev) . . (0) . . PeterSymonds (talk | contribs)
(Reverted edits by Matanya (talk) to last version by NuclearWarfare)
17:51 (cur | prev) . . (0) . . Matanya (talk | contribs) (fix warp)
 17:38  Ariel (city)‎ (diff | hist) . . (+40) . . Matanya (talk |
contribs) (+commonscat)
N16:50  User:Wikitanvir/common.css‎ (diff | hist) . . (+118) . .
Wikitanvir (talk | contribs) (+)
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Wikitanvir (talk | contribs) (+)
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Wikitanvir (talk | contribs) (+)
N16:47  User:Wikitanvir/common.js‎ (diff | hist) . . (+38) . .
Wikitanvir (talk | contribs) (Create)
 16:41  User:Bencmq/common.js‎ (diff | hist) . . (+38) . . Bencmq
(talk | contribs)
 16:35  (Deletion log)‎ . . [28bytes‎; Nyttend‎ (5×)]
16:35 . . 28bytes (talk | contribs) changed revision visibility
of "I'm Not the One": restored content for 1 revision (RD6:
Non-contentious housekeeping, RevDel corrections, notes, conversion:
restore 1 revision w/o copyright issues)
16:34 . . Nyttend (talk | contribs) changed revision visibility
of "Logan Hayes": removed content for 340 revisions (RD1: Blatant
copyright violations)
16:29 . . Nyttend (talk | contribs) changed revision visibility
of "Logan Hayes": removed content for 266 revisions (RD1: Blatant
copyright violations: A pity the developers haven't given us an Invert
option; it would make things substantially quicker)
16:24 . . Nyttend (talk | contribs) changed revision visibility
of "Logan Hayes": removed content for 172 revisions (RD1: Blatant
copyright violations)
16:13 . . Nyttend (talk | contribs) changed the visibility of
one or more entries in the (Deletion log): restored username for 1
entry (Test complete)
16:12 . . Nyttend (talk | contribs) changed the visibility of
one or more entries in the (Deletion log): removed username for 1
entry (Is it possible to do RevDel when Wikipedia is engaging in
blatant WP:POINT violations?)
N16:32  User:Bencmq/common.css‎ (diff | hist) . . (+31) . . Bencmq
(talk | contribs) (←Created page with '#sopaOverlay { display: none;
}')
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(WMF) (talk | contribs) (it's not going to be affected if no one can
edit... let's let the article speak for itself for 24 hours)
 16:10  Main Page‎ (diff | hist) . . (-3) . . Ryan Kaldari (talk |
contribs) (grammar fix)
 16:03  User:Avraham/common.css‎ (diff | hist) . . (+33) . .
Avraham (talk | contribs) (+2)

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Re: [Foundation-l] The Mediawiki 1.18 image rotation bug on Commons and on all Wikimedia projects

[K. Peachey]

On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 12:36 AM, Teofilo  wrote:
> 1 - Bug or feature ? It is a bug.
> ... snip ...
> It is somehow intentional, because it seems that the devs have
> suddenly decided that the exif orientation tag should be taken into
> account, while in the past users used had to use other ways to define
> image orientation.
It's been a requested feature for a while, Someone finally got around
to writing it (I believe it needed the Improved metadata handling
backend first) and implementing it, It wasn't a sudden "oh lets write
this and enable it in one day thing", a lot of work went into it and
subsequent testing.

> But even if it is intentional, we should call it a bug, because it is
> annoying to a lot of readers and uploaders whose pictures have been OK
> sometimes for years, and without warning they must suddenly change the
> orientation of their uploaded pictures. What about the pictures whose
> uploaders are no longer active ?
>
> So I hope everybody agrees that it is a bug.
The bug I see is software people used to edit these images didn't fix
the files metadata itself, thus in the end creating this situation

> 2 - The human bug
>
> I think the Wikimedia Foundation should present officially its excuses
> to the readers and active users annoyed by the bug. The excuses could
> be linked from the rotatebot template, so that the concerned users
> could read them.
Excuses? The reasons why it's "broken" have been posted in many
places, Last I checked the said template wasn't protected so anyone
could and pointers to about why its happening.


> The devs should find out what went wrong in the decision process to
> implement the 1.18 version, and try to find preventive measures so
> that big problems of this size do not occur again when a version
> upgrade is done. Is it really OK not to consult the Commons community
> before changing a picture-related feature ?
Nothing much went wrong in the planning of this feature, The metadata
backend was improved, the rotation feature was written, the feature
was tested (and i'm aware of this because I did test it) and the
feature did work as intended.

And why should commons be notified when a MediaWiki core feature is
written, why not ja.wikipedia or en.wikinews? just because commons is
a end user of the software doesn't make it all that special, While yes
the choice to deploy it to the cluster could have been handled
differently it worked from all the testing that was performed (and the
issues that were found from the testing were fixed before it was
pushed out).

Had more end users actually bothered to test the pre release(s) when
they were staged on test. and test2.wikipedia, "issues" like this
might had stood out more prominently so that its feature could have
been considered after being tested on a wider scale.


> 3 - The technical bug : deadline
> ...snip...
> Let us stop asking users to individually tag every wrong picture! Let
> us have some developers create a tool to find wrong pictures and
> rotate them back to their original orientation!
I believe that can be done quiet easily with a DB query, Then it's
just a matter of fixing the metadata attached in the file compared to
actually re-rotating them again.

> We need a deadline. We need to be able to say, In X month's time, all
> pictures will be back to normal.
A time line like that can't be given since there aren't plans to turn
the feature off from my understanding, So this will conciebly be fixed
when RotateBot fixes up the meta data on the files, Someone else does
it, or a extension/feature is written so humans have a interface
on-wiki to manually rotate the files to how they should be.

-Peachey, Signing off on what is now a new day.

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Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Account Creation

[K. Peachey]

I believe there was someone working some ajax (extension possibly?,
maybe some core work?) to improve that on the sign up page, No idea
what ever happened to that…

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Re: [Foundation-l] Meta main page

[K. Peachey]

I wonder if the Page Translation[1] feature of the Translate
extension[2] would make it easier to manage this, It appears to (but
not written), that when the main translation (en for example) is
"touched" that it will mark the other ones for needing updates.

[1]. http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Translating:Page_translation_feature
[2]. http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Translate

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Re: [Foundation-l] Fw: [[Paul Rooney Partnership]]

[K. Peachey]

If you are trying to imply the article should be deleted, Then
nominate it for deletion at [[WP:AFD]][1], instead of canvassing on
the mailing list.
-Peachey

[1]. 

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Re: [Foundation-l] A Wikimedia project has forked

[K. Peachey]

On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 9:26 AM, Erik Moeller  wrote:
>
> But let's take other completed extensions as examples.
>
> 1) WikiLove has been enabled on Swedish, Malayalam, Hungarian, Hebrew,
> Arabic, and Hindi Wikipedia, as well as Commons, all on request of the
> respective project communities.
Ahem, The first of those were Hindi, and that was basically only after
a B# fight in the bug report that there shouldn't be any restriction
to installing it on the non en.wikipedia project

> 2) ArticleFeedback has been enabled on Hungarian Wikipedia, Portuguese
> Wikibooks, and Hindi Wikipedia. (Wikinews, BTW, still runs the
> predecessor ReaderFeedback extension.)
Hindi again had the reluctance of no one wanting it to enable it in
the first place as well...

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Re: [Foundation-l] Tragedy: videos and slides from presentations Wikimanias (lately 2011 in Haifa)

[K. Peachey]

On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 8:17 PM, Thomas Dalton  wrote:
> 2011/9/3 Béria Lima :
> That would seem to be a problem. If you are making separate bugzilla
> requests for each video, you need to come up with a better process.
> Either make one request for all the videos, or make a request to be
> given the technical power needed to just do it yourself.
Um no, only one request is needed, You just need to link to somewhere
where the video files can be easily accessed so they can be
transferred. As for requesting technical access to do that, that would
involve shell access to the servers so that is likely never to happen.

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Re: [Foundation-l] We need to make it easy to fork and leave

[K. Peachey]

Just a point: WMF projects have spilt out before, for example was the
September 11 remembrance wiki (sep11.wikipedia) although the fork is
now offline, also one of the other "plain" language specific projects
(Spanish Wikipedia comes to mind but I can't confirm) but as far as
I'm aware never really took off so it basically became idle.

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Re: [Foundation-l] Wikis and the direction hardware is taking

[K. Peachey]

Why couldn't you edit it with the normal web browser in the ipad?

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Re: [Foundation-l] deleting old versions of fair-use files

[K. Peachey]

"The two main points that support the deletion are that it
saves space on the server"

No, it does not, The file is just moved elsewhere on the server where
it isn't directly accessible.

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Re: [Foundation-l] Scheduled intermittent downtime on all Wikimedia projects on May 24

[K. Peachey]

We already get spammed enough with notices, which is one of the
reasons many people hide them permanently via css so they never
intrude again, which would make them pointless for the more
established users, also overkill for what was meant to be (from my
understanding) only a few minutes of downtime. Just because we can
send something via notices doesn't mean we should, it can and has been
devaluing their importance to people.

As for the earlier comments about changing the irc channel, how about
we point it to the #wikimedia-status (or whatever its called) channel
that is designed to hand out info in downtimes compared to the general
#wikipedia which i believe it currently points to.
-Peachey

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Re: [Foundation-l] Scheduled intermittent downtime on all Wikimedia projects on May 24

[K. Peachey]

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 10:09 PM, Theo10011  wrote:
> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 5:31 PM, MZMcBride  wrote:
>
>> Theo10011 wrote:
>> > Instead of diverting users to IRC, how about an outage/error page with a
>> > twitter/identi.ca feed with updates from the tech team, or at least a
>> page
>> > with customized message in case of previously planned outage. Most of the
>> > tech staff already use Twitter/Identi.ca to update users, maybe we can
>> look
>> > for a way to incorporate that feed in the outage page itself or point
>> them
>> > to it.
>>
>> Is it so much to ask that you read the mailing list thread before replying?
>>
>
> Yes! hehyou expect me to read Bugzilla?
Where did Mz ever suggest to read Bz... I only see mention to
reading what was already suggested in this email thread.
-Peachey

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Re: [Foundation-l] CentralNotice use

[K. Peachey]

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 6:52 PM, church.of.emacs.ml
 wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Do we have any guidelines limiting the use of CentralNotices? I noticed
> there are a lot lately (fundraising, wikimania and most recently board
> elections and commons POTY), some of which are not of much interest to
> the audience.
Mz did a RfC about it awhile ago on Meta, No idea what happened to it.

But I do agree on them being disruptive Put it this way, I
permanently hide all sitenotices with CSS now for all the projects i'm
majorly active on.
-Peachey

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Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: [cultural-partners] Aggregator

[K. Peachey]

Sounds like the cron job isn't fully working, expanded bug 28516 to
cover ES as well.

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Re: [Foundation-l] Switching mailing list moderators?

[K. Peachey]

Post a request in Bugzilla under Wikimedia/Mailing Lists for the admin
password to be reset.

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Re: [Foundation-l] help on usability initiative sandbox wiki

[K. Peachey]

On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 3:22 PM, Pedro Sanchez  wrote:
> http://prototype.wikimedia.org/sandbox.4/Special:Contributions/213.5.64.179
>
> I don't know why SUL doens't work there
> I can't find the proper database suffix on
> http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/all.dblist
> Therefore I can't grant me sysop bit there to do somethign
>
>
> So... to anyone who actually have rights,that's been going on for a day
>
> And to anyonw who actually can do it.. pelase enable SUL on that wiki
The prototypes are designed not to be added to SUL, so that won't be happening.
-Peachey

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Re: [Foundation-l] Criticism of employees (was VPAT)

[K. Peachey]

On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Christine Moellenberndt
 wrote:
> I am loathe to dive in here, since it was my post that kind of
> kick-started this whole thing and I certainly don't want to draw any
> more fire to be honest.
Don't worry you didn't kick start anything, It's been started for a
long time and a new disucssion is started every few months.
-Peachey

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Re: [Foundation-l] New two-part schedule for 1.17 deployment

[K. Peachey]

On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Rob Lanphier  wrote:
> First window
> This first deployment window will be to a limited set of wikis:
> ...
> http://usability.wikimedia.org/ (usabilitywiki)
Um, usability is closed and no longer used... Perhaps mediawiki wiki
would be a better choice instead?

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Re: [Foundation-l] Usability wiki

[K. Peachey]

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 9:24 PM, Amir E. Aharoni
 wrote:
> The main page of the Usability wiki ( http://usability.wikimedia.org ) says
> that it's discontinued and the whole wiki appears to be locked for editing.
> I don't remember this being discussed, although i may have missed it.

That was decided by the usability team, whom were the main users of
that wiki, with plans to import the usable information (such as some
of the extension documentation onto Mediawiki wiki).

> ...snip...
> I suggest unlocking the Usability wiki and re-opening it as a community hub
> for ideas about usability. It should be a completely unlocked wiki, with
> anonymous users allowed to edit etc.; if spam becomes a problem, editing can
> be allowed for registered users only.

I must disagree with that, fragmenting discussions all over the place
just makes things worse, It would be much better to keep these
discussions centralized on somewhere like Meta or Mediawiki wiki (or
possibly Strategy as well) instead of scattering them onto obscure
wikis where they don't have as much viewage.

-Peachey

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Re: [Foundation-l] fundraiser suggestion

[K. Peachey]

On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Erik Moeller  wrote:
> The recent extended unavailability of database dumps is an example of
> serious failure, but failures like this happen when an organization is
> understaffed/underresourced and only able to focus on the immediate,
> not the longer term. And whether you agree with this or not, WMF's
> mission extends beyond operating the websites, and it's performed
> arguably insufficiently poorly in other categories, such as keeping up
> with a dramatically changing technology environment, and supporting
> and growing the free knowledge movement world-wide.

I don't think the dumps are a good example, because after all it's not
the first time it has happened with the dumps (don't quote me on that
exactly), But I know for sure it has for sure happened to the
MediaWiki release tarballs, I can't find the posts in the archive but
i vaguely remember discussion occurred on how it could be prevented
and I do believe it was mentioned that at least just the
current/latest version of the dumps were going to stored on another
storage array.

No one thought about outreaching to somewhere like Amazon to have our
dumps included in the services (AWS for example for the Amazon)?
Because I know a AWS instance[1] was started but has been updated
since 2009 since we don't output it in a format that they can use[2]


[1]. http://aws.amazon.com/datasets/2506
[2]. https://forums.aws.amazon.com/thread.jspa?messageID=181620𬕴

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Re: [Foundation-l] fundraiser suggestion

[K. Peachey]

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Domas Mituzas  wrote:
> now that we have blinking banners,
> Domas
 Oh! Oh! can we have marquees as well... and those flashy "under
construction" gifs??
-Peachey

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Re: [Foundation-l] How to contact the foundation's legal department?

[K. Peachey]

WMF Legal has a email assigned to it, so you can email it via the wiki
interface if you would like:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:EmailUser/WMF_Legal

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Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Executive Director?

[K. Peachey]

On Fri, Dec 10, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Michael Snow  wrote:
> No, K. Peachey avoided citing actions by not "debating the whole wording
> thing" that would establish what the action entailed, offering instead a
> generic description of criminal law that would encourage people, in
> passive-aggressive style, to "draw their own conclusions" about the
> supposed criminality involved. I can't tell whether K. Peachey believed
> the actions in question would be in violation of the law or not.
>
> --Michael Snow
No, I decided not to start debating yet again in this thread since
it's already been discussed weather or not we should have falsely
worded banners, and I'm sure there are other people than my self that
are more than happy to have such a discussion where I would prefer not
to.

What I did do was point out possible side effects for chapters should
these banners be ran in their areas using Australia as a example since
being a resident here, I have a some what limited knowledge on our
laws, Which from previous discussions on WMF mailing lists previously
and elsewhere, I have a understanding most places have similar ones in
place.

And as such believed that was very relevant to the subject being
discussed at hand.
-p858snake/peachey

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Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Executive Director?

[K. Peachey]

I'm not going to debate the whole wording thing, but I will point out,
It is a crime to receive property/goods under false pretenses in
Australia which is what advertising a person with the incorrect job
title would be. Don't forget it isn't only the foundation handling the
donations this year, the local chapters are as well.
-Peachey

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Re: [Foundation-l] WikiMedia Technical Help Desk

[K. Peachey]

Try out http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Support_Desk and our IRC
channel (#mediawiki on freenode)
-Peachey

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Re: [Foundation-l] Open and transparency or not

[K. Peachey]

On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 2:44 PM, Tomasz Finc  wrote:
> ...snip...
> One of the things that was mentioned to us as we were working on the project 
> was to not give fraudsters the exact recipe of how the system worked. Since 
> we knew that we'd be checking our code into the production svn depots we 
> chose to move the project page to somewhere that was not available to 
> fraudsters. This wasn't done to prevent anyone from participating as we 
> posted on the blog in order to keep everyone updated.
> ...snip...
> --tomasz
That seems like a kinda cop out answer, because those
documentation/project pages[1] hardly ever have a depth of technical
details apart from links to etherpad discussions and the code is
already in our public SVN repos which is where anyone (well I know I
would) would look for info if they planned to work on our new methods
to calculate methods of scamming the system.
-Peachey
[1]. http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WMF_Projects

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Re: [Foundation-l] New projects

[K. Peachey]

Me points people towards:
https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/newprojects (archives:
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/newprojects/).
-Peachey

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Re: [Foundation-l] preferences statistics

[K. Peachey]

On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Amir E. Aharoni
 wrote:
> Are there statistics about users' preferences on Wikimedia sites?
>
> For example, a statistic that would say things like how many users use every
> skin and how many users have "Show preview before edit box" disabled.
>
> Correct me if i'm wrong, but the defaults for new users never seem to change
> (except the Vector skin recently) and maybe we could learn something from
> these stats.
Yes, we d{o/id} record some stats for the UI updates, you just need to
find someone willing to grab it since there is no friendly interface
for it.
-Peachey

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Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Foundation switching to Google Apps?

[K. Peachey]

On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 7:20 AM, Jon Davis  wrote:
> Howdy,
> As a quick introduction, I'm Jon Davis[1], one of the Office IT guys in the
> SF office.  Since the Google Apps migrations is one of my major projects,
> I'll try to answer your questions the best I can.  Replies in line.
> ...snip...
So will the CBA and other documents that come from the research into
these solutions be released to the public?
-Peachey

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Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Announcement: Mike Godwin leaves the Wikimedia Foundation

[K. Peachey]

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 3:45 AM, Sue Gardner  wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I want to let you know that as of this Friday, October 22, 2010, Mike
> Godwin will be leaving his role as General Counsel for the Wikimedia
> Foundation.
> ...snip...
> The search for his successor will begin immediately. It's being
> conducted by the recruiting firm m|Oppenheim.
> ...snip...
> --
> Sue Gardner
Just a matter of inquiry, why didn't the search start when Mike handed
in his notice, compared to now when he has left? With a role like this
wouldn't it make sense to have it refilled as soon as possible to give
the best chance of a change over period?
-Peachey

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Re: [Foundation-l] Ban and moderate

[K. Peachey]

On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Virgilio A. P. Machado  
wrote:
> Three days after the announcement made by Austin Hair on behalf of
> this list administrators, which also includes Ral315 and
> AlexandrDmitri, that Greg Kohs was banned and Peter Damian moderated,
> this much has been accomplished by about 41 posts on that subject:
>
> 1) Austin Hair, Ral315, and AlexandrDmitri continue to be the list
> administrators;
> ...snip
> Virgilio A. P. Machado
> (Vapmachado)

I don't remember seeing any comments or discussion on that matter,
care to point them out?
-Peachey

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Re: [Foundation-l] cross posted emails

[K. Peachey]

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo)  wrote:
> Casey Brown, 06/10/2010 04:13:
>> It changes for me with like every e-mail, Philippe's most recent
>> e-mail got "Wikiversity-l" for me. :-)
>
> It's always Wikiquote-l for me.
That would be the one you receive first then.

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Re: [Foundation-l] Foundation-l word cloud

[K. Peachey]

Although I don't have a issue with it, but you may wish to double
check the licensing you have attached to those uploads, since from
understanding is that copyright and ownership does apply to emails.
-Peachey

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Re: [Foundation-l] Please delete mo. wikipedia

[K. Peachey]

On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Philippe Beaudette
 wrote:
> English Wikiquote?  Once the decision is made, then it falls to the
> developers to actually flip the switch or say the magic words, or do
> whatever it is they do to close the project.
>
> Philippe
It has already been closed and added to the list[1] which is the
standard practice, From my understanding is that they want the domain
actually removed which we don't normally do (as to my understanding).

-Peachey

[1]. http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/closed.dblist

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Re: [Foundation-l] [Language committee] Transparency

[K. Peachey]

May one ask why private personal stuff is even being discussed on this list?

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Re: [Foundation-l] Call for a moratorium on all new software developments

[K. Peachey]

On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Teofilo  wrote:
> This is not proactive. Giving more power to the admins is a
> constitutional change. Usually a constitutional change requires a
> referendum beforehand (An amendment to the United States Constitution
> must be ratified by 3/4 of the state legislatures, WP says). You don't
> simply switch to the new constitution and tell the people who are
> unhappy with the new constitution that it is their burden to
> demonstrate that the older constitution was better. And when a
> constitutional change changes a democracy into a dictatorship without
> the freedom of speech, it is too late to express yourself after you
> have lost the freedom of speech.
RevDel replaced Oversight (a extension), and little changed overall
between then, it features two deletion levels, one that hides it from
standard users (admins and higher still have access to it) and one
that hides it from everyone except oversight which leaves no visible
apart from oversighters. To everyone else the only real difference is
that the logs show a difference of "X changed viability of Y" and only
had to touch the appropriate revisions compared to the older extension
of oversight, where you had to delete a whole page then restore all
the revisions apart from the ones you don't want.

Is there something wrong with this on the french wikipedia? then you
should submit a bug request so people actually know and can work on
getting it set correctly

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Re: [Foundation-l] Call for a moratorium on all new software developments

[K. Peachey]

On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 8:33 PM, Teofilo  wrote:
> During the past few years, the new softwares of the Wikimedia
> Foundations  have been developped in a too much anarchic way.
>
> * They are sometimes implemented as a whim of a few WMF big wheels,
> without consulting the user communities.
>
> * We are never shown specifications defining the goals of the planned
> softwares, which makes me doubt such specifications are ever written.
> With specifications being written and published, problems could be
> talked in a proactive way.
>
> A few problems :
>
> * The developpers have enabled for every Admin of the French
> Wikipedia, the possibility to mask (and exert acts of censorship)
> without needing to be an oversighter (1) Which means that the policy
> page at [[:fr:Wikipédia:Masqueur d'adresses IP]] (more or less the
> same as [[:en:Wikipedia:Oversight]]) is a joke. Every single admin has
> virtually the same power as an oversighter.
>
> * The pdf tool is not fulfilling the licenses of images imported from
> Flickr. This is typically a tool enabled on all projects without
> consulting with the communities. That tool should be disabled at once
> from all project, until it is repaired (which might mean redevelopped
> from scratch). (2)
>
> Conclusion : Because more software means more harm, I call for a
> moratorium (1 year? 6 months ?) on all new software developpements.
> During that time the developpers should be allowed to repair only
> obvious and urgent bugs.
>
> (1) A statement by a French admin saying that such acts are currently
> performed by simple admins :
> http://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikip%C3%A9dia%3ABulletin_des_administrateurs%2F2010%2FSemaine_36&action=historysubmit&diff=56843997&oldid=56843680
>
> (2) Example provided here :
> http://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikip%C3%A9dia%3ALe_Bistro%2F4_septembre_2010&action=historysubmit&diff=56786685&oldid=56786681
>
IF something doesn't meet the expectations or is configured wrongly,
gain local community consensus (mostly for the latter situation) and
then post a bug in bugzilla requesting the configuration be changed.
-Peachey

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Re: [Foundation-l] HR and Recruiting Feed on Identi.ca and Twitter

[K. Peachey]

On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Steven Walling  wrote:
> I don't think that was constructive criticism. Personally I think that
> Foundation staff should be applauded for trying to be more transparent about
> hiring, even if you disagree with what they might be experimenting with.
>
> Steven Walling
You mean the transparency that they have been repeatably asked for in
the past by people and was denied by staff because updating even a
simple on wiki list would "take too long"? Although i guess a
microblog feed will make it easier for people such as those staff and
contractors who had to ask other staff (who apparently had to ask even
more people) about who people in the building even were and if they
were meant to be there.
-Peachey

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Re: [Foundation-l] HR and Recruiting Feed on Identi.ca and Twitter

[K. Peachey]

On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 7:33 AM, Daniel Phelps  wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
>
> Recently we've been having some internal conversations regarding transparency 
> for our hiring, recruiting and contracting.  In efforts to be more proactive 
> about sharing this information we're moving to a system of tweeting short 
> bursts of announcements.  This will be done in a "bot" style voice not unlike 
> the WMF tech feeds.  The idea is that we'll get the information out on new 
> hires and new contractors and consultants working with us along with new job 
> openings etc.  Basically the streams will recap the comings and goings in a 
> short and sweet format.
>
> I invite you all to see these data streams - 
> http://identi.ca/wikimediaatwork/all or http://twitter.com/wikimediaatwork.  
> Eventually we also hope to find more ways to use this feed for recruiting and 
> reaching out to a larger candidate pool and audience.  There will also be 
> times where we link the streams or feeds to longer and more detailed blog 
> postings.
>
> -Daniel
So you know, all the times people asked to have better systems to
inform of new hirings such as on wiki pages but get told it would take
too long to update them, you decide to implement a even more stupid
and time consuming system in which limited information can be sent
out.
-Peachey

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Re: [Foundation-l] Korean Wikinews created

[K. Peachey]

Just a heads up, We have a list for notifications on new projects
(https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/newprojects)

-Peachey

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Re: [Foundation-l] Banner ads in sitenotice

[K. Peachey]

On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 3:37 AM, Ryan Kaldari  wrote:
> Apparently long-time Wikimedia contributors are also far more sensitive
> to Foundation imposition of /less/ visual clutter as well, judging by
> the reaction to the Vector rollout. Perhaps we could just say that
> long-term Wikimedia contributors are just more sensitive ;)
>
> Ryan Kaldari
Yes! because comparing three inch highish "We Want you to work here"
messages with a completely empty large box enclosing it, is the same
thing as a skin roll out.

-Peachey

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Re: [Foundation-l] Privacy etc - merging data

[K. Peachey]

On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 10:00 PM, Lodewijk  wrote:
>
> I am assuming that people will be warned and asked for permission in advance
> to combine these databases? I for one would definitely have strong
> objections against merging donation and edit data. Donations are real life,
> edits are wikipedia-universe. Although I do realize that it is much more
> convenient for staff to have this data combined, I find this objectionable
> from the privacy point of view. (putting this in a new thread to seperate
> discussions a bit) I am not sure of legal requirements in this field in the
> US - but I hope Wikipedia will always adhere to also for example European
> principles in this regard whether it is maybe or maybe not legally obliged
> to.
>
> Best,
>
> Lodewijk
What I believe this is referring to, is that the Customer Relation
Manager (CRM) [CiviCRM iirc] to be setup to allow for some details
about the people to be stored such as their usernames/interests/etc
compared to it just being a word of mouth system where staff members
need to track down which staff know who.

So for example a staff member can look up a person and go "oh Jimmy
Bloggs is interested in political photograph, X might interest him"
compared to say "Jimmy Bloggs was entered by Sally Doors, I need to go
talk to her," who redirects to someone else that knows more about the
subject.

-Peachey

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Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Foundation-l

[K. Peachey]

He is also a "bit" miffed about you forwarding the message to the
list, as you are probably aware, emails are still copyrighted.

-Peachey

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Re: [Foundation-l] Gmail - List messages flagged as spam

[K. Peachey]

Listing some? they did not get delivered at all.
-Peachey

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Re: [Foundation-l] Subscription to the Wikimedia Announcements list for foundation-l

[K. Peachey]

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Casey Brown  wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:23 AM, James Alexander  wrote:
>> I'm not sure if it is in the mailing list settings or if it's
>> gmail but I do not get a copy of an email I sent out and if I remember
>> correctly there was a mailing list option for that... I don't always
>> remember correctly though :).
>>
>
> There *is* a mailing list setting (something like "receive my own
> posts"), but some e-mail servers (like gmail) won't let you see your
> own messages even with that set. :-)
> Casey
For those that wondering, It is because GMail respects the relevant
headers (eg: post id/thread id) that are added by the mailing list,
and merges duplicate ones together (Which is why you commonly see me
being slightly displeased when people cc threads over different
lists).

-Peachey

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Re: [Foundation-l] Subscription to the Wikimedia Announcements list for foundation-l

[K. Peachey]

@Sue: Announce would be a restricted list most likley, so it probably
bounced, hence why you didn't see it.
@James: Do we really need this? Announce is/should be apparently set
to forward any announcements as necessary already via the MM admin
interface, although when the previous announcements were sent it was
still a baby/new list and experienced some teething issues, And all
replies are automatically sent to foundation-l even if the original
message doesn't make it.

-Peachey

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Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: SignWriting Encyclopedia Projects...new SignWriting Wiki

[K. Peachey]

On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 11:43 PM, Gerard Meijssen
 wrote:
> ...snip...
> Given all the technical issues, I am of the opinion that a requirement for
> localisation can be waved. Sign languages with SignWriting would introduce
> the writing in lanes ie top to bottom with characters moving slightly to the
> right or left.
>...snip
So what language deviate would the sign language be in? American Sign
Language? Australian Sign Language? British Sign Language?

What picture sets would be used (I know for example Australia has
about 4 depending on the situation where they are being used)?

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Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikitech-l] Visual impairment

[K. Peachey]

On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 12:00 PM, Aryeh Gregor
 wrote:
> In theory, yes.  Someone needs to provide the code, though.  For now,
> people who want to sign up and can't solve a captcha can request that
> an admin make an account for them, like people whose IP addresses are
> blocked.  I think enwiki has a toolserver project dedicated to that.

The en.wikipedia project for that resides at [[WP:ACC]](1), The
toolserver system from memory is a request type system (although that
may of changed since I last looked), where as the actual accounts are
created on site using the [[Special:CreateAccount]](2) special page,
there is a limit for that system so that a user may only create so
many accounts per hour, but we do (or did) have a override for that

(1). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:ACC
(2). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:UserLogin/signup

-Peachey

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Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikitech-l] Visual impairment

[K. Peachey]

since i forgot to reply to all and only did the reply on to wikitech-l.

-Peachey

-- Forwarded message --
From: K. Peachey 
Date: Sun, May 16, 2010 at 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Visual impairment
To: Wikimedia developers 


I believe reCaptcha has it implemented as part of their service (we
do/did have a extension to implement theres) but then we would have to
reply on third party servers.

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Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

[K. Peachey]

On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 2:37 PM, Steven Walling
 wrote:
> I have to say that I have been eagerly awaiting this day since I saw the
> first designs come out of the UX team's work (about a year ago?)
>
> To anyone, volunteer or Foundation employee, who made the impending switch
> to Vector a possibility, I want to express my sincerest thanks.
>
> Steven Walling
> http://enwp.org/User:Steven_Walling
It's been selectable in the user preferences for ages.

-Peachey

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Re: [Foundation-l] Towards actual clean-up...

[K. Peachey]

On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 2:17 AM, Guillaume Paumier
 wrote:
> Exactly; and it only works for MediaWiki websites.
I'm sure it wouldn't be hard for other platforms to "hack"/modify it
and get it working with their platforms, just no one has probably
tried so we havn't seen any such results.

-Peachey

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Re: [Foundation-l] Towards actual clean-up...

[K. Peachey]

On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Milos Rancic  wrote:
> Any contemporary MediaWiki installation can use Commons as an external
> repository. I am using Commons as an external repository whenever I
> install MediaWiki. (Or I am missing some point?)
There is no way for us to see if any external sources (such as for
example, your install) is using a file.

-Peachey

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Re: [Foundation-l] A Board member's perspective

[K. Peachey]

On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 7:48 AM, Stuart West  wrote:
> ...snip...
> Jimmy acknowledged this wasn't right and I respect his apology.
> ...snip...
> - stu
You mean his little smug little reply that it was a press stunt?[1][2]
and saying that it was a urgent matter[3] (yes! because starting a
huge delete purge after being in the news is such great press!) and
then actievly and publicly approving of the weelwarring he was
particpating in over the deletion of the images[4]m oh and deleting
images he knew would be restored[5] (Can't get much more pressey than
that!).

Then when people suggested he talk to the community involved (Commons)
on wiki he publicly said he has[6], Yeah telling them to basically to
stfu till after the matter is over and out of the press (I'm sure
someone can find those diff's if your intrested since i'm out).  Then
also mentioning that it was a method to start "much" needed discussion
on wiki about the content[7], Yes! because no one would consider
starting discussion on wiki first before drawing their guns and start
shooting?

-Peachey

[1]. http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-May/057896.html
[2]. http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-May/058086.html
[3]. http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-May/058092.html
[4]. http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-May/058087.html
[5]. http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-May/058091.html
[6]. http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-May/057891.html
[7]. http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-May/058162.html

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Re: [Foundation-l] Potential ICRA labels for Wikipedia

[K. Peachey]

I've read most of the replies in this thread, And i think I should
point out a few things out:

* The "omg tagging for any reason is censorship" mentality is a
needless, Yes we tag things presently *shock horror* look at the
currently category system.

* Omg adding this to Mediawiki will destroy Wikipedia Currently
Mediawiki is a separate application from wiki and always will be,
Wikipedia is just a site that uses Mediawiki for it's back end. Just
because Mediawiki supports something, doesn't mean it will be
activated (or in the case of extensions, installed) on Wikipedia and
Wikipedia isn't the only site that uses Mediawiki.
  ** Currently there are two discussions about possible implementation:
 A) Bug 982: Is referring to a EXTENSION that provides the
functionality of tagging content (with it's current discussion being
pointed at ICRA) so it has a rating of sorts which can be used by
external sources (AKA filtering companies)
 B) The discussion on wikitech-l is currently discussing a way
(either extension or a core functionality) to accurately grab the
contents of a category and provide it in a usable interface so that
again, it can be used by third parties. Currently this discussions has
hardly approached the rating system discussion (who it would be done?
own internal scale? some sort of standard out there?).

* The lesser of two evils, Currently there is no easy way to get a
list of the files (and their file paths) of images contained within a
category, This can be applied for multiple things (bots for example)
but use, the discussion is primarily about  a exportable format so a
machine can easily use it. Schools and Filter providers are currently
blocking whole W* projects because there are no easy ways to do it.
Unfortunately the lesser of the two evils is allow a easy way for a
company to get a list of what is contained in a certain category (Eg:
Category:Images of BDSM) and then import that into the filtering
system to block them compared to the whole project.


JUST A REMINDER: The current discussions are revolving around
implementations in Mediawiki as either as a core functionality (like
most of these, being enabled/disabledable) or as a extension, and not
of how to implement this in the WMF hemisphere of projects such as for
example commons.

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Re: [Foundation-l] [OT] Am I the only one...

[K. Peachey]

I do to, depending on how they are applied, for example I would much
prefer on a case by case basis compared to everyone, since a few
people are bring active and decent discussion where as some people are
just trolling/omg censorship is bad type stuff.

-Peachey

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Re: [Foundation-l] Statement on appropriate educational content

[K. Peachey]

On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Andrew Garrett  wrote:
> It is *NOT* *OUR* *ROLE* to decide what is and is not "appropriate"
> for children to view on our website. That role is to be discharged
> solely by parents and supervisors of those children.
>
> The *ONLY* rating and classification system that I can support is a
> descriptive one. That is, it describes the nature of the content, and
> allows humans or computers to filter it accordingly. The
> infrastructure would be technically simple.
Bugzilla 982[1]  MediaWiki should support ICRA's PICS content labeling.
>From my understanding without reading much about it, It [ICRA] is ment
to be a "international" or at least a standard for these things which
most people seem to abide by (i see it splashed around on a lot of
education sites that they are compliant with that standard).

-Peachey

[1]. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=982

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Re: [Foundation-l] A Board member's perspective

[K. Peachey]

On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 9:52 AM, Stuart West  wrote:
> ...snip...
> - We were hosting material that was unambiguously not
> relevant to our educational mission and it needed to go. Its presence on
> our projects/servers alienated people (users, potential new volunteers,
> educators, others) who we need on our side. Getting rid of it was the
> right answer for the long-term success of our mission which is a focus
> both of my responsibilities as a Board member and my personal motivation
> as a volunteer. More broadly, in allowing the clearly objectionable
> content on one of our projects I feel the community (including the
> Board, Foundation and Commons admins) failed in our collective role as
> stewards of the mission.
How was content that is historically art (and as far as i know, actually
displayed in some museums) not educational, How about the images that
were actually used in articles on projects, how is that not inherently
educational?

> - I agree with the view that the presence of hardcore pornography on
> Commons represents a clear failure of our community-driven consensus
> process and that we must change the way we do things. Among other
> drivers I see: (1) There were some bad actors at work (e.g. hardcore
> pornography distributors taking advantage of our open culture to get
> free anonymous hosting). (2) As a community (including the Board), we
> debated the issue too long and failed to drive closure and implement.
> (3) There are complex issues around _some_ of the content that is in a
> gray area and those complexities distracted us from dealing with the
> clearer cut cases.

They did have policies, Just because people don't agree doesn't mean
they should go on a deleting rampage deleting anything that they don't
like then wheel warring with people that are active on the project
compared to someone that to my understanding has never taken interest in
the project on a community level and had less than 30 edits before
change which tends to suggest they hasn't really had time to absorb
local policy. Some of their policies included but not limited to
Deleting unusable content, Redirecting/Suggesting people to use other
sites to submit their content, Getting people to submit content into
OTRS for verification. Oh heaven forbid people have to do work and check
on gray area situations..

> - Due to the failure of the community process, something extraordinary
> had to be done. A small step was our Board statement we hoped would
> focus attention. A bigger step was the work by Jimmy and other
> individuals on Commons who took bold and decisive action. Clearly it is
> messy, and there is room for overcorrection and the removal of some
> materials that are indeed relevant to our educational mission. This is
> inevitable but is certainly fixable. I want to thank all those who have
> been working so hard on this, either the initial clean-up or the ongoing
> review process. It's not easy work, but it's critically important.

Failure of community process? There were more than ready to discuss the
issues, They had had policies for years which foundation staff have been
involved in, Then a board member goes on a mass rampage deleting
anything they don't think abides by his view, wheel warring with
members, refusing to listen till after the matter is "dealt with" then
they publicly stating on the mailing list that it was for "Good PR" all
whilst another board member has stated the matter is still being
discussed ("Oh hai thar! I'm a cop and arresting you on something that
hasn't been made a law yet...". much?!) with the other members.

> ...snip...
> -stu

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Re: [Foundation-l] Statement on appropriate educational content

[K. Peachey]

On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 3:58 PM, John Vandenberg  wrote:
> ...snip...
> Instead of deleting pornographic content that we deem "important" to
> the projects, we can tag those images in a uniform manner and emit
> POWDER ICRA labelling[1] or similar.  The filters can then scale with
> us.
> 1. http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/NOTE-powder-primer-20090901/#ICRA1
> --
> John Vandenberg
Bugzilla 982 - MediaWiki should support ICRA's PICS content labeling[1].

[1]. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=982

-Peachey

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Re: [Foundation-l] Statement on appropriate educational content

[K. Peachey]

On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Sue Gardner  wrote:
> Kim, the board (and I) have been talking about this for the past
> couple of days, and we'll continue to talk about it over the next
> couple of weeks.  I think it's fairly likely there will be some kind
> of statement or statements at the end of that.  I'm expecting that
> over the next few weeks, we all will be paying attention to the
> conversations on Commons and elsewhere, including here.
>
> Thanks,
> Sue
If the board is still discussing the matter nothing should be getting
done (the deletion) till the board has finished and finalized it's
discussions, It's not differnt than a cop arresting someone for a law
which doesn't exist or isn't passed yet (oh wait... yeah american's
and their love of "Contempt of Cop")

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Re: [Foundation-l] Vandalize wikipedia day on facebook

[K. Peachey]

The more time you spend trying to shutdown the pages/groups/whatever
else, the more it encourages users to do it, So just pay no attention
to them.

-Peachey

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Re: [Foundation-l] Hello world. Update from Berlin.

[K. Peachey]

On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Keegan Peterzell  wrote:
> Seriously, help Americans find Iceland.  Donating to Wikimedia can do that.
>  Not a joke.
>
> *I can't find the source, but that is a true survey.
> --
> ~Keegan

The miss {world/america} thing when the contestant made the comment
about the maps a few years ago?

-Peachey

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Re: [Foundation-l] Hello world. Update from Berlin.

[K. Peachey]

On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 3:02 AM, Michael Peel  wrote:
>
> I'm glad to see that the resolved bugs include this one:
> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23223
>
> Hope you all manage to escape Germany sooner rather than later.
>
> Mike
Clearly not FIXED they are still in Berlin :p It's a mere
Live-Hack-Fix although they do commonly seem to become permentant
around here.

-Peachey

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Re: [Foundation-l] Swedish Wikipedians removes Wikimedia logos

[K. Peachey]

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 9:06 AM, MZMcBride  wrote:
> Cary Bass wrote:
>> It's amazing that Swedish Wikipedia is fighting tooth and nail to get
>> rid of the Wikipedia logo, while the English Wikipedia is having the
>> same battle over keeping the Goatse.cx image (which is receiving 800
>> hits a day from people receiving shock image links).
>
> Links are nice.[1]
>
> MZMcBride
And if people cared about it they would of been able to go and find it
without needing links.

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Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia is fun

[K. Peachey]

The main page is generally generated with templates, so there are
little to none direct edits to the page.

-Peachey

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Re: [Foundation-l] FlaggedRevisions status (March 2010)

[K. Peachey]

On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 11:33 PM, Chad  wrote:
> I'm curious as to whether there's anything official behind this poll[1] on
> en.wikipedia to "simply turn on flagged revs in the form that the Germans
> use it" until the proposed enwiki changes are ready.
>
> -Chad
>
> [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jimbo_Wales/poll
Either way, shit will hit the fan on wiki if that happens, because the
locals have never really liked foundation interference in things and
they actually managed to consensus on what they wanted to be
implemented (and getting that on en.wiki is not easy).

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Re: [Foundation-l] �lliam Pietri: Where is Flagge dRevisions?

[K. Peachey]

On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Alex  wrote:
> The English Wikipedia isn't asking for a total rewrite of the extension.
> FlaggedRevs was always (at least since it was first deployed) highly
> customizable. I believe the "Flagged Protection" feature was able to be
> implemented, or very close to it..snip...
No, the en.wiki community decided/voted that it wanted the Flagged
Protection (selected articles) compared to Flagged Revisions (all
articles) for it's implementation and that wasn't available so it
got/is being worked on to allow that, although as you did state, i
believe they are onto the UI section now.

-Peachey

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Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: [Wikipedia-l] Please HELP save Wikipedia history ! (urgent)

[K. Peachey]

On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 7:51 AM, Ray Saintonge  wrote:
> K. Peachey wrote:
>> On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 3:54 PM, The Cunctator  wrote:
>>
>>> Yes. This is idiotic. The logo contest followed the same rules as all other
>>> submissions to Wikipedia -- they were submitted under the GFDL.
>>>
>> Yes, but not everyone knows that and any tom, dick or harry that
>> randomly finds them doesn't know that, that is why they should be
>> clearly labelled with their source(/s), licenses(/s) and any other
>> appropriate information on their [the images] description pages.
>> Someone could even make a template saying that they are part of a
>> series from whatever contest that they are from.
>>
>>
> You're shifting the burden onto the wrong people. If the images followed
> the general rule that prevailed when they were uploaded the presumption
> is that they followed that rule unless there was an exception specified
> *at the time*. If rules have changed since then it's up to those who
> complain to add the proper notices instead of acting like vandals.
> Admins who don't know that don't deserve to be admins.
>
> Ec
And where did i say I was ever a Admin? (Personally I don't have the
sysop bit on any WMF wiki afaik)

-Peachey

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Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: [Wikipedia-l] Please HELP save Wikipedia history ! (urgent)

[K. Peachey]

On Sat, Feb 20, 2010 at 3:54 PM, The Cunctator  wrote:
> Yes. This is idiotic. The logo contest followed the same rules as all other
> submissions to Wikipedia -- they were submitted under the GFDL.
Yes, but not everyone knows that and any tom, dick or harry that
randomly finds them doesn't know that, that is why they should be
clearly labelled with their source(/s), licenses(/s) and any other
appropriate information on their [the images] description pages.
Someone could even make a template saying that they are part of a
series from whatever contest that they are from.

-Peachey

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Re: [Foundation-l] sell wikipedia

[K. Peachey]

On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:59 PM, Chad  wrote:
> Last I heard, all the dumps were coming in at fairly regular intervals, 
> barring
> the enwiki full-history-all-namespaces dump. Image dumps are needed, yes.
> The OP said he just needs the text anyway :)
>
> -Chad
Image dumps aren't really needed since you can hook into the foreign
file repos (aka InstantCommons) for most things (except for offline
uses), And it's a bit hard to dump images on most projects due to
fairuse (or the languages equivalent laws) images, commons would be
the most easiest projects that you could dump almost all the images
from.

-Peachey

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Re: [Foundation-l] video presentation on explicit images on WMF projects

[K. Peachey]

On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 11:39 AM, John Vandenberg  wrote:
> iirc, there is already a mediawiki capability for images to be
> completely removed from the servers.
>
> I can't see this capability in the sysop tools, so maybe I only imagined it.
>
> Is that capability still available?  Which users have access to it?
>
> If it is part of the software, I think oversighters should have access to it.
>
> --
> John Vandenberg
That was rewritten ages ago to allow the files to be kept and
undeleted and need be (so in theory they are now only removed from
accessible part of the software, not the file system), they would need
to be kept and not destroyed if they were brought you in
court/criminal proceedings because they would become evidence.

-Peachey

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Re: [Foundation-l] advertising craigslist

[K. Peachey]

On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 11:44 PM, Peter Gervai  wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 14:42, Domas Mituzas  wrote:
>>> The Craig Newmark banner is currently running at 20% on the English
>>> Wikipedia.
>>
>> How much known is Craigslist outside of US, in other English speaking 
>> countries, or countries where English is used as second/primary language on 
>> the web?  :)
>
> Not at all?
>
> grin
It's known of in Australia but not that much, For example Gumtree
(owned by ebay) is more popular over here. Each country kind of have
their own things, some will know of others, but most sites like that
aren't really popular in more than one geographical location.

-Peachey

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Re: [Foundation-l] advertising craigslist

[K. Peachey]

May I ask why that message appears to be not following out standard
template and having a image as the background? all the others I've
seen only have the logo's in them Images like that just make them
even more distracting and disliked.

-Peachey

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Re: [Foundation-l] open wikis for chapters....?

[K. Peachey]

On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 7:33 PM, Geoffrey Plourde  wrote:
> There are some pages that should legally be restricted, like the bylaws. i do 
> believe that most pages should be open to public editing because of the risk 
> of some non member Aussie thinking of a better way to do something and being 
> stifled.
Those should be protected anyway, stuff like bylaws shouldn't be
getting touched without consensus from a AGM. But there are methods to
protect "important" pages like that, for example standard page
protection methods or the flagged rev system for another example.

-Peachey
(Also gah at cross posting to multiple lists via cc'ing, seems to
cause some issues in gmail =( so this may not be in/on all the correct
lists/threads.)

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Re: [Foundation-l] Commons reaches 5 million files

[K. Peachey]

On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 10:58 PM, Mathias
Schindler wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Hay (Husky) wrote:
>> Around 11:46 UTC we reached 5 million files on Commons! Not quite sure
>> which file is the 5th million, but this is one of the candidates:
>>
>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Kj%C3%B8benhavnsposten_28_nov_1838_side_1.jpg
>
> Does anyone else get a broken image at that url?
>
> Mathias
Nope, just make sure your browser is rendering the third character in
the file name properly.

-Peachey

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Re: [Foundation-l] presentations and marketing @ events

[K. Peachey]

> Hopefully the bookshelf project will come up with some shiny fliers
> etc. that can be used for events, but in the meantime we *really* need
> a nice-looking one page overview about the projects to hand out -- any
> graphic designers up for this? And of course a new press kit too
> (there must be one -- is it just not on meta? Anyone?)
>
> -- phoebe
Not exactly a graphics designer but i'm pretty handy with InDesign so
there is the content somewhere I can try to make something from it.

- Peachey

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[Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad

[K. Peachey]

Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad
---
"The NY Times has an article investigating why, unlike the articles on
Wikipedia which in theory are improved, fact checked, footnoted, and
generally enhanced over time, the photos that go with Wikipedia
articles are so bad[1] and in many cases there is no photo at all for
even well known public figures. Few high-quality photographs,
particularly of celebrities, make it onto on Wikipedia because
Wikipedia runs only pictures with the most permissive Creative Commons
license[2], which allows anyone to use an image, for commercial
purposes or not, as long as the photographer is credited.
'Representatives or publicists will contact us' horrified at the
photographs on the site, says Jay Walsh, a spokesman for the Wikimedia
Foundation. 'They will say: "I have this image. I want you to use this
image." But it is not as simple as uploading a picture that is
e-mailed to us.' Recent photographs on Wikipedia are almost
exclusively the work of amateurs who don't mind giving away their
work. 'Amateur may be too kind a word; their photos tend to be the
work of fans who happen to have a camera,' opines the Times's author.
Ultimately the issue for professional photographers who might want to
donate their work is copyright. 'To me the problem is the Wikipedia
rule of public use,' says Jerry Avenaim, a celebrity photographer. 'If
they truly wanted to elevate the image on the site, they should allow
photographers to maintain the copyright.'"

[1]. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/20/arts/20funny.html
[2]. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image_use_policy
[3]. 
http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/07/20/0044240/Why-the-Photos-On-Wikipedia-Are-So-Bad

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Re: [Foundation-l] Google CC Search

[K. Peachey]

On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 8:38 AM, Tris Thomas  wrote:
>
> Could be useful?
>
> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/find-creative-commons-images-with-image.html
>

The creative commons search engine[1] allows searching on multiple
different sites at once, so that might be a better tool to recommend
to people.

- Peachey

[1]. http://search.creativecommons.org/

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Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia article traffic statistics - copyright?

[K. Peachey]

> Facts aren't usually copyrightable and I doubt database rights apply
> (I don't know much about them, though), so it's just the presentation
> of the data in a chart that could potentially be protected. If you
> take the numbers and produce your own chart you'll be absolutely fine.
> I'm not sure there is enough creativity or work involved in making the
> charts for them to be copyrightable anyway.
>
> That said, the easiest solution is probably just to ask the creator to
> release them under CC-BY-SA here:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Henrik
>
They might not be, but with that San Francisco bus data issue [1]
happening at the moment, everyone's checking everything these days to
cover their asses.

[1]. The Battle Over Who Owns Bus Arrival Times:
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090628/1419595382.shtml

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Re: [Foundation-l] Raising the profile of the privacy policy

[K. Peachey]

On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 12:58 AM, geni wrote:
> It might be worth seeing if we can get the EFF to add our privacy policy to
> http://www.tosback.org/timeline.php
> In order to raise the profile of any changes.
>
> --
> geni

On their TOSBACK about page [1], it gives a email address where you
can request a service to be tracked. Maybe it would be nice for
someone from the foundation to request that they follow and track it.

[1]. http://www.tosback.org/about.php

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Re: [Foundation-l] Alternating sitenotices is kinda confusing

[K. Peachey]

On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 6:30 AM, Casey Brown  wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Brianna Laugher
>  wrote:
>> Could we please have both at once
>
> We now have a combined notice running.  Hopefully, this is a better
> way of doing it (even though it's not as pretty).
>
> --
> Casey Brown
> Cbrown1023
TBH it looks ugly and wastes even more precious screen space.

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