Re: [Foundation-l] [Wiktionary-l] Divergent Wiktionary logos
I couldn't resist the same urge :) http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wiktionary_husky.svg This is actually a submission from an earlier proposal for the Wikibooks logo. -- Hay On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 6:48 AM, Stephen Bain stephen.b...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 7:34 AM, Casey Brown cbrown1023...@gmail.com wrote: My own suggestion would be to use individual blocks but to have them be like type pieces from a printing press. Though actual proposals for new logos will be accepted later (once it is decided how things will work), you can leave a comment about how you feel here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiktionary/logo/refresh#Begin_from_Scratch :-) I couldn't resist making a prototype: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wiktionary/logo/refresh#Suggestion -- Stephen Bain stephen.b...@gmail.com ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] [Wiktionary-l] Divergent Wiktionary logos
Hoi, What would the to be associate favicon look like ? Thanks, GerardM 2009/3/27 Hay (Husky) hus...@gmail.com I couldn't resist the same urge :) http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wiktionary_husky.svg This is actually a submission from an earlier proposal for the Wikibooks logo. -- Hay On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 6:48 AM, Stephen Bain stephen.b...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 7:34 AM, Casey Brown cbrown1023...@gmail.com wrote: My own suggestion would be to use individual blocks but to have them be like type pieces from a printing press. Though actual proposals for new logos will be accepted later (once it is decided how things will work), you can leave a comment about how you feel here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiktionary/logo/refresh#Begin_from_Scratch :-) I couldn't resist making a prototype: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wiktionary/logo/refresh#Suggestion -- Stephen Bain stephen.b...@gmail.com ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] [Wiktionary-l] Divergent Wiktionary logos
On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 1:51 AM, Michael Snow wikipe...@verizon.net wrote: Given that background, I would conclude that neither of the current options is desirable, and we need to develop a new Wiktionary logo. Yes, that's what Cary brought up. :-) On http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiktionary/logo/refresh people have the option of commenting on whether or not they think we should use the 'classic' logo, the 'tile' logo, or design a new logo. He specifically set it up so that If none of the three options gains a clear majority at the end of the second week of voting, then [he] propose[s] the vote default to option three. My own suggestion would be to use individual blocks but to have them be like type pieces from a printing press. Though actual proposals for new logos will be accepted later (once it is decided how things will work), you can leave a comment about how you feel here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiktionary/logo/refresh#Begin_from_Scratch :-) -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 --- Note: This e-mail address is used for mailing lists. Personal emails sent to this address will probably get lost. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] [Wiktionary-l] Divergent Wiktionary logos
2009/3/26 Casey Brown cbrown1023...@gmail.com: On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 1:51 AM, Michael Snow wikipe...@verizon.net wrote: My own suggestion would be to use individual blocks but to have them be like type pieces from a printing press. Though actual proposals for new logos will be accepted later (once it is decided how things will work), you can leave a comment about how you feel here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiktionary/logo/refresh#Begin_from_Scratch :-) Well, I did a really quick-and-dirty view of what Michael's tiles-logo-but-actually-movable-type image might look like. It's completely awful - I can't draw, and my Inkscape skills are worse - but I offer it up anyway: :-) http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WiktionaryFr-JDF_movable_type_idea_sketch.svg The off-green was me failing to be bothered enough to find a gunmetal grey transition shade pair, and of course it's the same rough image just rotated and resized as appropriate, but... :-) J. -- James D. Forrester jdforres...@wikimedia.org | jdforres...@gmail.com [[Wikipedia:User:Jdforrester|James F.]] ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] [Wiktionary-l] Divergent Wiktionary logos
On Fri, Mar 27, 2009 at 7:34 AM, Casey Brown cbrown1023...@gmail.com wrote: My own suggestion would be to use individual blocks but to have them be like type pieces from a printing press. Though actual proposals for new logos will be accepted later (once it is decided how things will work), you can leave a comment about how you feel here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiktionary/logo/refresh#Begin_from_Scratch :-) I couldn't resist making a prototype: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wiktionary/logo/refresh#Suggestion -- Stephen Bain stephen.b...@gmail.com ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] [Wiktionary-l] Divergent Wiktionary logos
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Cary Bass c...@wikimedia.org wrote: I'd also like considerable help in advertising it throughout the projects and managing the page, as well. CentralNotice on all wiktionaries? :-) -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 --- Note: This e-mail address is used for mailing lists. Personal emails sent to this address will probably get lost. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] [Wiktionary-l] Divergent Wiktionary logos
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Casey Brown wrote: On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 12:32 PM, Cary Bass c...@wikimedia.org wrote: I'd also like considerable help in advertising it throughout the projects and managing the page, as well. CentralNotice on all wiktionaries? :-) When we get the discussion on a firm page and not refresh :-) Cary -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJymG7yQg4JSymDYkRAqRdAJ9OjB6pn2Fs3ciYlb4EivilvuKDhQCfWvjQ +bJxyW5kFpJahYE5p8h+hD4= =X2kj -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] [Wiktionary-l] Divergent Wiktionary logos
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 1:30 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: With the refusal of the logo by many wiktionaries, a precedent was set. If a precedent was set then, then it was reversed by the successful Wikibooks logo change: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikibooks/Logo As should be the case, when that happened it was enforced and all the projects were updated -- if they had no translation, they were given a plane version without any words (this could later be translated and requested on bugzilla). The Wikibooks way is probably the best way to go about it. On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 1:36 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: Sure - the first part of what I wrote (discussing a conflict of vote outcomes) related specifically to Wiktionary, the second part was more general. Given the status of the logos as marks of the Foundation, can the meta community vote to change any logo? It's not the Meta community. If a vote is held on Meta-Wiki in the mainspace (not Meta: space), then it has to do with multiple projects and we use Meta-Wiki because it is the Wikimedia project coordination wiki. This means that the vote is intended for all communities and they are the ones who vote and discuss. If not, what is the 'right way' to pursue a logo change - using a staff driven process like this one, where the vote is more confirmatory than determinant? IMO, the process doesn't need to be staff-*driven*, but they need to be involved and know about the progress of the change. This being said, their input would be valuable and would mean a lot -- if Jay says no, this isn't going to happen, I think that would either make it so that the proposal wouldn't move forward or people would be less likely to vote in favor of it. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 --- Note: This e-mail address is used for mailing lists. Personal emails sent to this address will probably get lost. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] [Wiktionary-l] Divergent Wiktionary logos
Gerard Meijssen wrote: When I read what is proposed, the impression is given that a process will start with a compulsory outcome. I understand the rationale for one shared logo and favicon. The problem is that it is people outside of Wiktionary that want to improve the Wiktionary brand and the last time it was very much these outsiders that made the selection. Exactly. Despite the fact that fr.wikt and a few others eventually adopted the logo, the logo debacle was not en.wikt's making. It wasn't a refusal to accept the the outcome of the proposal, it was a reluctance to be dictated to by people who weren't a part of the community. I'm afraid this will be interpreted the same way, if we're proposing to just slap a sitenotice on all the Wiktionaries telling them to discuss a new logo. There needs to be community impetus for the change, so that the meta discussion evolves out of actual community desire for a new logo. We should start at places like en.wikt's [[Wiktionary:Beer parlour]], fr.wikt's [[Wiktionnaire:Wikidémie]], and es.wikt's [[Wikcionario:Café]], not foundation-l. Dominic ___ Wiktionary-l mailing list wiktionar...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wiktionary-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] [Wiktionary-l] Divergent Wiktionary logos
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dominic wrote: Gerard Meijssen wrote: When I read what is proposed, the impression is given that a process will start with a compulsory outcome. I understand the rationale for one shared logo and favicon. The problem is that it is people outside of Wiktionary that want to improve the Wiktionary brand and the last time it was very much these outsiders that made the selection. Exactly. Despite the fact that fr.wikt and a few others eventually adopted the logo, the logo debacle was not en.wikt's making. It wasn't a refusal to accept the the outcome of the proposal, it was a reluctance to be dictated to by people who weren't a part of the community. I'm afraid this will be interpreted the same way, if we're proposing to just slap a sitenotice on all the Wiktionaries telling them to discuss a new logo. There needs to be community impetus for the change, so that the meta discussion evolves out of actual community desire for a new logo. We should start at places like en.wikt's [[Wiktionary:Beer parlour]], fr.wikt's [[Wiktionnaire:Wikidémie]], and es.wikt's [[Wikcionario:Café]], not foundation-l. I have to respectfully disagree that a proposal that will affect all these projects has to originate in thirty different places. Since there is no central Wiktionary community, the Meta project, and Foundation-l as well as Wiktionary-l (which was cross-posted) is the place to get the discussion going. While the English Wiktionary community may or may not be satisfied with the logo as-is, in the interest of maintaining a visual identity, one logo has to be used across projects, whether or not the English Wiktionary wants it or not. The discussion has to get started, no matter where it is, and meta and the two mailing lists are, in fact, the appropriate place to start the discussion. I do expect (and have asked) that links to that discussion are made from those projects (and in the Central Notice as well) I would find it sad if the English Wiktionary were to choose not to involve itself in a process that will ultimately affect its appearance; however, I don't anticipate this will actually be the case. Cary -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJyqJryQg4JSymDYkRAu66AJ9r9a+40/NZGJbXYV0J0ETzcRDcqQCdFrtQ ljKyb5L0MwIDNM+M+oiCbEM= =SiCa -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] [Wiktionary-l] Divergent Wiktionary logos
Cary Bass wrote: While the English Wiktionary community may or may not be satisfied with the logo as-is, in the interest of maintaining a visual identity, one logo has to be used across projects My impression is that the current split is a natural result of the fact that nobody has yet put forward a satisfactory solution. The classic logo is not a logo at all, but has the inertia of long use. The new logo would give some consistency but is not compelling, a mixture of good ideas and serious flaws. Since it's not a clear upgrade in the way that the Wikipedia logo was, it's not surprising that different parts of the project have decided not to go with it. Given that background, I would conclude that neither of the current options is desirable, and we need to develop a new Wiktionary logo. I think a well-executed logo would not have much difficulty securing adoption across the project. My own suggestion would be to use individual blocks but to have them be like type pieces from a printing press. This would incorporate some aspects of both current logos - from the older one the feel of a dictionary, and from the newer one the more logo-like benefits, while dropping the appearance of game pieces. As I'm not a graphic designer, I'm not going to attempt to actually create the logo, but I would be very interested to see what someone with professional skills could come up with using this concept. --Michael Snow ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
