[Foundation-l] Office Hours - 18 November, 22:00 UTC
Hey guys! As you've probably all come to expect, there'll be another office hours session on the article feedback tool this week at 22:00 UTC (and yes, I have checked :P). In attendance will be the full gamut of devs, managers and technical specialists! Also me. It's deliberately scheduled to make it possible for US east coasters to attend, so those of you who read foundation-l and are interested in the AFT, please do come along (Risker, I'm lookin' at you :P). For those in Asia/Australasia, 3am UTC (you can check how that relates to your timezones at http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?hour=3min=00sec=0day=19month=11year=2011) on Saturday will see an office hours session on the AFT aimed at you folk ;). It'll just be me, I'm afraid, but if you want to engage on the AFT, have any suggestions, or just want to discuss it, you're welcome to attend :). -- Oliver Keyes Community Liason, Product Development Wikimedia Foundation ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Office Hours
Duly noted ;p. On 2 November 2011 04:34, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 12:45 AM, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hey guys Brandon, Howie, Fabrice and I will be holding a second Office Hours session on the new Article Feedback Tool on Thursday 3 November. This will be at 24:00 UTC, which works out at 4pm PST and 11pm GMT. This timing is designed to allow east coast editors, who would be at work during the normal time periods, to attend. I hope to see you all there :). Thanks -- Oliver Keyes Community Liason, Product Development Wikimedia Foundation ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l A relevant link might also help, something like this [ http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours#Upcoming_office_hours]. For other information like which channel, network, how to attend and what time-zone that might translate into for the rest of us. ;) Regards Theo ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Oliver Keyes Community Liason, Product Development Wikimedia Foundation ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Office Hours
So, to correct then - 23:59 UTC, which is 23:59 GMT and 4:59 UTC :P. On 2 November 2011 14:31, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote: Duly noted ;p. On 2 November 2011 04:34, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 12:45 AM, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hey guys Brandon, Howie, Fabrice and I will be holding a second Office Hours session on the new Article Feedback Tool on Thursday 3 November. This will be at 24:00 UTC, which works out at 4pm PST and 11pm GMT. This timing is designed to allow east coast editors, who would be at work during the normal time periods, to attend. I hope to see you all there :). Thanks -- Oliver Keyes Community Liason, Product Development Wikimedia Foundation ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l A relevant link might also help, something like this [ http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours#Upcoming_office_hours]. For other information like which channel, network, how to attend and what time-zone that might translate into for the rest of us. ;) Regards Theo ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Oliver Keyes Community Liason, Product Development Wikimedia Foundation -- Oliver Keyes Community Liason, Product Development Wikimedia Foundation ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Office Hours
4:59 PST, sorry. It's been a very, very long day. On 2 November 2011 18:45, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote: So, to correct then - 23:59 UTC, which is 23:59 GMT and 4:59 UTC :P. On 2 November 2011 14:31, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote: Duly noted ;p. On 2 November 2011 04:34, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 12:45 AM, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hey guys Brandon, Howie, Fabrice and I will be holding a second Office Hours session on the new Article Feedback Tool on Thursday 3 November. This will be at 24:00 UTC, which works out at 4pm PST and 11pm GMT. This timing is designed to allow east coast editors, who would be at work during the normal time periods, to attend. I hope to see you all there :). Thanks -- Oliver Keyes Community Liason, Product Development Wikimedia Foundation ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l A relevant link might also help, something like this [ http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours#Upcoming_office_hours]. For other information like which channel, network, how to attend and what time-zone that might translate into for the rest of us. ;) Regards Theo ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Oliver Keyes Community Liason, Product Development Wikimedia Foundation -- Oliver Keyes Community Liason, Product Development Wikimedia Foundation -- Oliver Keyes Community Liason, Product Development Wikimedia Foundation ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Office Hours
Hey guys Brandon, Howie, Fabrice and I will be holding a second Office Hours session on the new Article Feedback Tool on Thursday 3 November. This will be at 24:00 UTC, which works out at 4pm PST and 11pm GMT. This timing is designed to allow east coast editors, who would be at work during the normal time periods, to attend. I hope to see you all there :). Thanks -- Oliver Keyes Community Liason, Product Development Wikimedia Foundation ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Office Hours
Lost the first one, 'll attend now o/ _ MateusNobre Wikimedia Brasil - MetalBrasil on Wikimedia projects (+55) 85 88393509 30440865 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 19:15:52 + From: oke...@wikimedia.org To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Foundation-l] Office Hours Hey guys Brandon, Howie, Fabrice and I will be holding a second Office Hours session on the new Article Feedback Tool on Thursday 3 November. This will be at 24:00 UTC, which works out at 4pm PST and 11pm GMT. This timing is designed to allow east coast editors, who would be at work during the normal time periods, to attend. I hope to see you all there :). Thanks -- Oliver Keyes Community Liason, Product Development Wikimedia Foundation ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Office Hours
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hey guys Brandon, Howie, Fabrice and I will be holding a second Office Hours session on the new Article Feedback Tool on Thursday 3 November. This will be at 24:00 UTC, which works out at 4pm PST and 11pm GMT. This timing is designed to allow east coast editors, who would be at work during the normal time periods, to attend. I hope to see you all there :). Can you remind us of the channel and the link to the sitey thing? I've forgotten where we go as I haven't done one of these for a while. Freenode something or other, isn't it? Bodnotbod ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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#wikimedia-office I think :P _ MateusNobre MetalBrasil on Wikimedia projects (+55) 85 88393509 30440865 From: bodnot...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 20:06:18 + To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Office Hours On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hey guys Brandon, Howie, Fabrice and I will be holding a second Office Hours session on the new Article Feedback Tool on Thursday 3 November. This will be at 24:00 UTC, which works out at 4pm PST and 11pm GMT. This timing is designed to allow east coast editors, who would be at work during the normal time periods, to attend. I hope to see you all there :). Can you remind us of the channel and the link to the sitey thing? I've forgotten where we go as I haven't done one of these for a while. Freenode something or other, isn't it? Bodnotbod ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Office Hours
On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 19:15, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote: This will be at 24:00 UTC, which works out at 4pm PST and 11pm GMT. Excuse the pedantry. From Wikipedia... Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) is a term originally referring to mean solar time at the Royal Observatory in Greenwich, London. It is arguably the same as Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) In the United Kingdom, GMT is the official time only during winter; during summer British Summer Time is used. I'm presuming you mean midnight on Thursday UTC/GMT. -- Tom Morris http://tommorris.org/ ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Office Hours
Oliver Keyes wrote: Brandon, Howie, Fabrice and I will be holding a second Office Hours session on the new Article Feedback Tool on Thursday 3 November. This will be at 24:00 UTC, which works out at 4pm PST and 11pm GMT. This timing is designed to allow east coast editors, who would be at work during the normal time periods, to attend. I hope to see you all there :). Using 00:00 or 24:00 is strongly discouraged (some people go so far as to say that these times don't exist), as they create unnecessary confusion. Please use 23:59 or 00:01 in the future. :-) MZMcBride ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Office Hours
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 12:45 AM, Oliver Keyes oke...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hey guys Brandon, Howie, Fabrice and I will be holding a second Office Hours session on the new Article Feedback Tool on Thursday 3 November. This will be at 24:00 UTC, which works out at 4pm PST and 11pm GMT. This timing is designed to allow east coast editors, who would be at work during the normal time periods, to attend. I hope to see you all there :). Thanks -- Oliver Keyes Community Liason, Product Development Wikimedia Foundation ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l A relevant link might also help, something like this [ http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours#Upcoming_office_hours]. For other information like which channel, network, how to attend and what time-zone that might translate into for the rest of us. ;) Regards Theo ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Office Hours on the article feedback tool
Hey guys So, on Thursday we're going to be holding an Office Hours session on IRC to discuss the Article Feedback Tool and what we're planning to do with it - namely, scrapping it and replacing it with an entirely new version ;). Attending will be Fabrice Florin, the contractor leading development on the new version, Howie Fung, the WMF's product manager, and myself. If you're interested in the AFT, whether because you think the existing version is good or because you think it's really bad, we'd love for you to attend - every opinion and viewpoint is welcome. The session will be held in #wikimedia-office at 19:00 GMT/UTC, and I hope to see a lot of you there :). Thanks Oliver Keyes Community Liason, Product Development Wikimedia Foundation ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Office Hours on the article feedback tool
On 26 October 2011 11:04, Oliver Keyes scire.fac...@gmail.com wrote: So, on Thursday we're going to be holding an Office Hours session on IRC to discuss the Article Feedback Tool and what we're planning to do with it - namely, scrapping it and replacing it with an entirely new version ;). *slaps own forehead* So is the data to be thrown away too? (Is there anywhere to look up the data en masse?) - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Office Hours on the article feedback tool
No, the data will remain; you can find it at http://toolserver.org/~catrope/articlefeedback/ (we really need to advertise that more widely, actually). To be clear, we're not talking about junking the idea; we will still have an Article Feedback Tool that lets readers provide feedback to editors. The goal is more to move away from a subjective rating system, and towards something the editors can look at and go huh, that's a reasonable suggestion as to how to fix the article, I'll go do that or aw, that's really nice! I'm glad they liked it so much O. On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:09 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 26 October 2011 11:04, Oliver Keyes scire.fac...@gmail.com wrote: So, on Thursday we're going to be holding an Office Hours session on IRC to discuss the Article Feedback Tool and what we're planning to do with it - namely, scrapping it and replacing it with an entirely new version ;). *slaps own forehead* So is the data to be thrown away too? (Is there anywhere to look up the data en masse?) - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Office Hours on the article feedback tool
On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 11:04:23 +0100, Oliver Keyes scire.fac...@gmail.com wrote: Hey guys So, on Thursday we're going to be holding an Office Hours session on IRC to discuss the Article Feedback Tool and what we're planning to do with it - namely, scrapping it and replacing it with an entirely new version ;). Attending will be Fabrice Florin, the contractor leading development on the new version, Howie Fung, the WMF's product manager, and myself. If you're interested in the AFT, whether because you think the existing version is good or because you think it's really bad, we'd love for you to attend - every opinion and viewpoint is welcome. The session will be held in #wikimedia-office at 19:00 GMT/UTC, and I hope to see a lot of you there :). I personally can not attend but I guess there are many users interested in the topic, and some brief update on a dedicated Meta page (or even publication of the IRC log) would be much appreciated. Cheers Yaroslav ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 12:57 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ruwrote: I personally can not attend but I guess there are many users interested in the topic, and some brief update on a dedicated Meta page (or even publication of the IRC log) would be much appreciated. Cheers Yaroslav Sure; we're sticking some content up at the moment, and I'll be sure to log the hours (and then stick them up at the usual location Oliver ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Office Hours on the article feedback tool
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:09, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: *slaps own forehead* So is the data to be thrown away too? (Is there anywhere to look up the data en masse?) It's all on the Toolserver and should be in the dumps too. If you have any specific requirements for retrieving certain subsets of the data, do ask and someone with Toolserver access can run queries against the data and provide the results. -- Tom Morris http://tommorris.org/ ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Office Hours on the article feedback tool
On 26 October 2011 06:04, Oliver Keyes scire.fac...@gmail.com wrote: Hey guys So, on Thursday we're going to be holding an Office Hours session on IRC ..snip...The session will be held in #wikimedia-office at 19:00 GMT/UTC, and I hope to see a lot of you there :). I realise that sometimes it is a challenge to arrange these Office Hours in a more spread out way; however, of the last five sessions (including this one), four of them have occurred at a time that severely limits participation from North and South American editors, as they come during our business day. This particular topic area is very much of interest to our N/S American editors who work on projects where the Article Feedback Tool is in use and has raised concerns, and ones where the new and improved version will be placed. I'd very much urge trying to spread out the time of Office Hours generally. I'd also like to suggest consideration be given to doing a double office hour session for topic areas that impact projects globally and involve editors from just about every time zone. Reading IRC minutes is not the same as being involved in the discussion. Thanks! Risker ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: On 26 October 2011 06:04, Oliver Keyes scire.fac...@gmail.com wrote: Hey guys So, on Thursday we're going to be holding an Office Hours session on IRC ..snip...The session will be held in #wikimedia-office at 19:00 GMT/UTC, and I hope to see a lot of you there :). I realise that sometimes it is a challenge to arrange these Office Hours in a more spread out way; however, of the last five sessions (including this one), four of them have occurred at a time that severely limits participation from North and South American editors, as they come during our business day. This particular topic area is very much of interest to our N/S American editors who work on projects where the Article Feedback Tool is in use and has raised concerns, and ones where the new and improved version will be placed. I'd very much urge trying to spread out the time of Office Hours generally. I'd also like to suggest consideration be given to doing a double office hour session for topic areas that impact projects globally and involve editors from just about every time zone. Reading IRC minutes is not the same as being involved in the discussion. Thanks! Risker ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l That's certainly true - I'll see if we can hold a second and more N/SA orientated one next week :). ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Office Hours on the article feedback tool
-- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 11:11:57 +0100 From: Oliver Keyes scire.fac...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Office Hours on the article feedback tool To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: capyupwa34cujyan_vv_chgyxwfct3ejnb4d-nrav_u20qej...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 No, the data will remain; you can find it at http://toolserver.org/~catrope/articlefeedback/ (we really need to advertise that more widely, actually). To be clear, we're not talking about junking the idea; we will still have an Article Feedback Tool that lets readers provide feedback to editors. The goal is more to move away from a subjective rating system, and towards something the editors can look at and go huh, that's a reasonable suggestion as to how to fix the article, I'll go do that or aw, that's really nice! I'm glad they liked it so much O. As someone who was never exactly a fan of the Article Feedback Tool I'm glad to hear that the current version is to be canned. The sort of subjective ratings it could produce were never going to be useful at improving articles, certainly not useful enough to justify the screen space. My fear was that it might divert people from improving articles to complaining about them. Since we skipped a key stage in the testing we will never know whether it did that. I didn't realise at the time that it was going to abuse our readers trust by collecting shed loads of data that we weren't going to use. We took a big risk in implementing the Article Feedback Tool without first testing to see whether it would do more harm than good. It is hard to tell in hindsight whether it has been negative or neutral in effect. Yes recruitment of new editors has fallen sharply - September's new editors on EN wiki are down to levels not seen since 2005 http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesWikipediaEN.htm#editdistribution but things were on the decline anyway so we don't know whether and to what extent the Article Feedback tool exacerbated the trend. My concern about turning it into something that collects more meaningful comments is that this could exacerbate the pernicious trend from improving articles to tagging them for others to improve. I appreciate that there are various competing theories as to why the community went off the boil circa 2007, but for me and anyone else who considers that the trend to template rather than improve articles has been a major cause of community decline, an improved version of the Article Feedback Tool is a worrying prospect. Can we make sure that any new generation Article Feedback tool is properly tested, and that testing includes: 1. Implementing it on a random group of articles and comparing them with a control sample to see which group of articles had the more edits from newbies; 2. Whether the collecting of feedback on ways to improve the article generates additional comments or diverts some editors away from actually fixing the article. 3. Which group of articles recruited the most new editors to the pedia. Please don't implement it if the testing shows that it diverts people from fixing articles to pointing out things that others can fix. On a broader note I suggested some time ago that for the community to give meaningful input into article development we need a process for the community to give feedback on the priority of various potential developments. Wikimania does something like that in the way the program is put together. The image filter referendum came close in that it asked people to rate the image filter for importance, unfortunately it didn't include other proposals so that people could put them in order of relevant importance (we also need a quite separate question for whether you think something is worth doing at all). In your new role as liaison between the community and the development team please could you initiate something like that, so that those of us who would give a higher priority to global watchlists or enhancing catalot so that it works on uncategorised articles can say so? Regards WereSpielChequers ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 15:33:30 +0100, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: Can we make sure that any new generation Article Feedback tool is properly tested, and that testing includes: 1. Implementing it on a random group of articles and comparing them with a control sample to see which group of articles had the more edits from newbies; 2. Whether the collecting of feedback on ways to improve the article generates additional comments or diverts some editors away from actually fixing the article. 3. Which group of articles recruited the most new editors to the pedia. Please don't implement it if the testing shows that it diverts people from fixing articles to pointing out things that others can fix. And I think this time showing it to the Research Committee prior to running the tests would be a good idea. Cheers Yaroslav ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 3:46 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ruwrote: On Wed, 26 Oct 2011 15:33:30 +0100, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: Can we make sure that any new generation Article Feedback tool is properly tested, and that testing includes: 1. Implementing it on a random group of articles and comparing them with a control sample to see which group of articles had the more edits from newbies; 2. Whether the collecting of feedback on ways to improve the article generates additional comments or diverts some editors away from actually fixing the article. 3. Which group of articles recruited the most new editors to the pedia. Please don't implement it if the testing shows that it diverts people from fixing articles to pointing out things that others can fix. And I think this time showing it to the Research Committee prior to running the tests would be a good idea. Cheers Yaroslav I'll bring these points up with the folks :). If you have any others, do come to office-hours. O. ___ ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Office Hours on the article feedback tool
On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 3:11 AM, Oliver Keyes scire.fac...@gmail.com wrote: To be clear, we're not talking about junking the idea; we will still have an Article Feedback Tool that lets readers provide feedback to editors. The goal is more to move away from a subjective rating system, and towards something the editors can look at and go huh, that's a reasonable suggestion as to how to fix the article, I'll go do that or aw, that's really nice! I'm glad they liked it so much And, the idea is to experiment with some alternative approaches in parallel with the existing deployment, not to scrap the existing deployment and start over immediately. We don't know yet which reader feedback mechanisms are going to be the most useful to meet the two core objectives (engaging readers as much and as usefully as possible in article development, and measuring change-over-time in quality). Initial wireframes to be tested against each other can be found here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Article_feedback/Version_5/Feature_Requirements -- Erik Möller VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Office Hours on the article feedback tool
The AFT v.4 data is documented here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Article_feedback/Data Dario On Oct 26, 2011, at 5:53 AM, Tom Morris wrote: On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:09, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: *slaps own forehead* So is the data to be thrown away too? (Is there anywhere to look up the data en masse?) It's all on the Toolserver and should be in the dumps too. If you have any specific requirements for retrieving certain subsets of the data, do ask and someone with Toolserver access can run queries against the data and provide the results. -- Tom Morris http://tommorris.org/ ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Office Hours on the article feedback tool
Hi WereSpielChequers, I worked on the data analysis for previous AFT versions and I believe I've already answered on a number of occasions your questions as to what we could test and what we couldn't in the previous phase, but I am happy to do this here and clarify what the research plans for the next version are. Subjective ratings We have definitely seen a lot of love/hate rating happen in the case of popular articles (e.g. Lady Gaga, Justin Bieber). Teasing apart ratings on the quality of the article and rater attitudes towards the topic of the article is pretty hard given the fact that an average enwiki article gets a very small number of ratings per day and articles that get a sufficient number of ratings tend to be attracting particularly opinionated or polarized visitors. To give you a measure of the problem: of the 3.7M articles in the main namespace of the English Wikipedia only 40 articles (0.001%) obtain 10 or more ratings per day. The vast majority of articles don't get any rating for several days or weeks or ever. FInding ways to increase the volume of ratings per article is one of the issues we're discussing in the context of v.5. The second problem is that we don't have enough observations on multiple ratings by the same user. Only 0.02% of unique raters rate more than one article and that means that on a single article basis we cannot easily filter out users who only rated a topic they love or hate and still have enough good data to process. This is unfortunate: the more rating data we can get per rater, the more we can identify gaming or rating biases and control them in public article feedback reports. Effects of AFT on participations I ran a number of pre/post analyses comparing editing activity before and after AFT was activated on a random sample of English Wikipedia articles, controlling for page views before and after the activation and found no statistically significant difference in the volume of edits. As I noted elsewhere the comparison between two random samples of articles is problematic because we cannot easily control for the multiple factors that affect editing activity in independent samples of articles so any result you may get out of this coarse analysis would be questionable. I agree that's a very important issue and the proper way to address it is by a/b testing different AFT interfaces (including no AFT widget whatsoever) for the same article and measuring the effects on edit activity for the same articles across different user groups: this is one of the plans we are considering for v.5 Another important limitation of AFT v.4 is that we only collected aggregate event counts for call to actions and we didn't mark edits or new accounts created via AFT, which means that we couldn't directly study the effects of AFT as an on-ramping tool for new editors (e.g. how many readers it is converting to registered users and what is the quality of edits generated via the AFT. i.e. how many users who create an account via AFT call to actions actually end up becoming editors? What is their survival compared to users who create an account in a standard way? And how many among the edits created via AFT are vandalism? How many are good faith tests that get reverted? These are all questions that we will be addressing as of v.5. We'll be still working on analyzing the current AFT data to support the design of v.5. In particular, we will be focusing on (1) correlations between consistent low ratings and poor quality or vandalism or the likelihood of an article to be nominated for deletion and (2) the relation between ratings and changes in other quality-related metrics on a per-article basis. I have also pitched the existing data to a number of external researchers interesting in article quality measurements and/or rating systems and I invite you to do the same. Hope this helps. I look forward to a more in-depth discussion during the office hours. Dario On Oct 26, 2011, at 7:33 AM, WereSpielChequers wrote: -- Message: 6 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 11:11:57 +0100 From: Oliver Keyes scire.fac...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Office Hours on the article feedback tool To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: capyupwa34cujyan_vv_chgyxwfct3ejnb4d-nrav_u20qej...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 No, the data will remain; you can find it at http://toolserver.org/~catrope/articlefeedback/ (we really need to advertise that more widely, actually). To be clear, we're not talking about junking the idea; we will still have an Article Feedback Tool that lets readers provide feedback to editors. The goal is more to move away from a subjective rating system, and towards something the editors can look at and go huh, that's a reasonable suggestion as to how to fix the article, I'll go do that or aw, that's
[Foundation-l] Office Hours with Executive Director Sue Gardner, today 18:00 UTC
Hi everyone, Today at 18:00 UTC will be IRC Office Hours with the Wikimedia Foundation's Executive Director, Sue Gardner. As usual it will take place in #wikimedia-office on irc.freenode.net. You can find links to time conversions and a guide to accessing IRC at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours Reflecting on the past few chat sessions, we've noticed that the most productive (in terms of most questions answered, most participants etc.) have been the ones with a little bit of prep work on the topic. The recent fundraising session, Sue's on Pending Changes, and interviews with new Wikimedia staff have all been extremely helpful. That's why we'd like to try something a little different for Sue's Office Hours today. We're going to devote the first 30 minutes for a structured topic discussion. During that 30 minutes attendees can write their questions on the Meta page mentioned above, and simultaneously !vote on/discuss the proposed questions. The 3-6 top questions will be answered during the second half of the hour. This way we actually answer the questions that interest the attendees, rather than miss really valuable questions and discussion. We hope you'll try this experiment with us. We're trying to find some balance between a free-flowing discussion and some structure that allows deeper conversation about topics important to Wikimedia. Thanks, -- Steven Walling Wikimedia Foundation Fellow (wikimediafoundation.org) ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Office Hours with Barry Newstead
Greetings all, The next IRC Office Hours will be with Barry Newstead, Chief Global Development Officer (CGDO) of the Wikimedia Foundation, on Friday October 15th, 17:00 UTC. As usual, this chat will be informal and in an open format. You can learn more about past Office Hours and how to connect at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours. See you in IRC! -- Steven Walling Wikimedia Foundation Fellow (wikimediafoundation.org) ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Office Hours with Sue Gardner (Tomorrow)
Hi all, I know Steven just sent out a note for Barry's Friday office hours but this is in addition.Sorry for the late notice and for sending them out of order. Sue Gardner, the Executive Director of the Wikimedia Foundation, will be having office hours this Thursday (Tomorrow) at 17:00 UTC (10:00 PDT, 13:00 EDT 19:00 CEST) on IRC in the #wikimedia-office channel. If you do not have an IRC client, there are two ways you can come chat using a web browser: First, using the Wikizine chat gateway at http://chatwikizine.memebot.com/cgi-bin/cgiirc/irc.cgi. Type a nickname, select irc.freenode.net from the top menu and #wikimedia-office from the following menu, then login to join. Or, you can access Freenode by going to http://webchat.freenode.net/, typing in the nickname of your choice and choosing #wikimedia-office as the channel. You may be prompted to click through a security warning, which you can click to accept. Please feel free to forward and translate this email to any list I may have missed and I hope to see everyone online! -- James Alexander Associate Community Officer Wikimedia Foundation ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Office Hours with Sue Gardner
Hi all, A reminder that Sue Gardner, the Executive Director of the Wikimedia Foundation, will be having office hours today (September 30) at 23:00 UTC (16:00 PT, 19:00 ET, 01:00 Friday CEST) on IRC in #wikimedia-office. If you do not have an IRC client, there are two ways you can come chat using a web browser: First, using the Wikizine chat gateway at http://chatwikizine.memebot.com/cgi-bin/cgiirc/irc.cgi. Type a nickname, select irc.freenode.net from the top menu and #wikimedia-office from the following menu, then login to join. Or, you can access Freenode by going tohttp://webchat.freenode.net/, typing in the nickname of your choice and choosing wikimedia-office as the channel. You may be prompted to click through a security warning, which you can click to accept. Please feel free to forward (and translate) this email to any other relevant email lists you happen to be on. -- Deniz Gültekin Community Associate Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge http://donate.wikimedia.org/ ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Office hours with Sue Gardner
Hi all, Sue Gardner, the Executive Director of the Wikimedia Foundation, will be having office hours this Thursday (September 30) at 23:00 UTC (16:00 PT, 19:00 ET, 01:00 Friday CEST) on IRC in #wikimedia-office. If you do not have an IRC client, there are two ways you can come chat using a web browser: First, using the Wikizine chat gateway at http://chatwikizine.memebot.com/cgi-bin/cgiirc/irc.cgi. Type a nickname, select irc.freenode.net from the top menu and #wikimedia-office from the following menu, then login to join. Or, you can access Freenode by going to http://webchat.freenode.net/, typing in the nickname of your choice and choosing wikimedia-office as the channel. You may be prompted to click through a security warning, which you can click to accept. Please feel free to forward (and translate!) this email to any other relevant email lists you happen to be on. Philippe Beaudette Head of Reader Relations Wikimedia Foundation phili...@wikimedia.org Imagine a world in which every human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Office hours with Danese Cooper
Just a reminder to all that this is upcoming. It's in #wikimedia- office on the freenode network: see below for connection info. Philippe On Sep 16, 2010, at 10:49 PM, Philippe Beaudette wrote: Hi all, Danese Cooper, the open source diva, and Wikimedia's very own Chief Technology Officer, will be our guest at office hours on Wednesday, 22 September at 23:00UTC (16:00 Pacific, 19:00 Eastern, 01:00 Thursday CET). This is a great opportunity to spend time with Danese and talk about her exciting plans for the future of Wikimedia's technological infrastructure. You can access the chat by going to https://webchat.freenode.net/ and filling in a username and the channel name (#wikimedia-office). You may be prompted to click through a security warning. It's fine. Another option is http://chat.wikizine.org. As always, the chat will be logged and put on meta for those who are unable to join. Look forward to seeing you there! Philippe Philippe Beaudette Head of Reader Relations Wikimedia Foundation phili...@wikimedia.org Imagine a world in which every human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Office hours with Danese Cooper
Hi all, Danese Cooper, the open source diva, and Wikimedia's very own Chief Technology Officer, will be our guest at office hours on Wednesday, 22 September at 23:00UTC (16:00 Pacific, 19:00 Eastern, 01:00 Thursday CET). This is a great opportunity to spend time with Danese and talk about her exciting plans for the future of Wikimedia's technological infrastructure. You can access the chat by going to https://webchat.freenode.net/ and filling in a username and the channel name (#wikimedia-office). You may be prompted to click through a security warning. It's fine. Another option is http://chat.wikizine.org. As always, the chat will be logged and put on meta for those who are unable to join. Look forward to seeing you there! Philippe Philippe Beaudette Head of Reader Relations Wikimedia Foundation phili...@wikimedia.org Imagine a world in which every human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Office hours with Sue Gardner
Hi all, Sue Gardner, the Executive Director of the Wikimedia Foundation, will be having office hours this Thursday (September 16) at 17:00 UTC (10:00 PT, 13:00 ET, 19:00 CEST) on IRC in #wikimedia-office. If you do not have an IRC client, there are two ways you can come chat using a web browser: First, using the Wikizine chat gateway at http://chatwikizine.memebot.com/cgi-bin/cgiirc/irc.cgi. Type a nickname, select irc.freenode.net from the top menu and #wikimedia-office from the following menu, then login to join. Or, you can access Freenode by going to http://webchat.freenode.net/, typing in the nickname of your choice and choosing wikimedia-office as the channel. You may be prompted to click through a security warning, which you can click to accept. Please feel free to forward (and translate!) this email to any other relevant email lists you happen to be on. Philippe Beaudette Head of Reader Relations Wikimedia Foundation phili...@wikimedia.org Imagine a world in which every human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Office hours with Sue Gardner
Just a reminder this is in about 11 hours :) Philippe On Aug 30, 2010, at 10:08 AM, Philippe Beaudette wrote: Hi all, Sue Gardner, the Executive Director of the Wikimedia Foundation, will be having office hours this Tuesday (Aug 31) at 23:00 UTC (16:00 PT, 19:00 ET) on IRC in #wikimedia-office. If you do not have an IRC client, there are two ways you can come chat using a web browser: First is using the Wikizine chat gateway at http://chatwikizine.memebot.com/cgi-bin/cgiirc/irc.cgi. Type a nickname, select irc.freenode.net from the top menu and #wikimedia-office from the following menu, then login to join. Also, you can access Freenode by going to http:// webchat.freenode.net/, typing in the nickname of your choice and choosing wikimedia-office as the channel. You may be prompted to click through a security warning, which you can click to accept. Please feel free to forward (and translate!) this email to any other relevant email lists you happen to be on. Philippe Beaudette Head of Reader Relations Wikimedia Foundation phili...@wikimedia.org Imagine a world in which every human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Office hours with Sue Gardner
Just a reminder about this, about 13 hours from now. :) On Aug 16, 2010, at 10:15 AM, Philippe Beaudette wrote: Hi all, Sue Gardner, the Executive Director of the Wikimedia Foundation, will be having office hours this Thursday at 17:00 UTC (10:00 PT, 13:00 ET) on IRC in #wikimedia-office. If you do not have an IRC client, there are two ways you can come chat using a web browser: First is using the Wikizine chat gateway at http://chatwikizine.memebot.com/cgi-bin/cgiirc/irc.cgi. Type a nickname, select irc.freenode.net from the top menu and #wikimedia-office from the following menu, then login to join. Also, you can access Freenode by going to http:// webchat.freenode.net/, typing in the nickname of your choice and choosing wikimedia-office as the channel. You may be prompted to click through a security warning, which you can click to accept. Please feel free to forward (and translate!) this email to any other relevant email lists you happen to be on. Philippe Beaudette Head of Reader Relations Wikimedia Foundation phili...@wikimedia.org Imagine a world in which every human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Office hours with Sue Gardner
Hi all, Sue Gardner, the Executive Director of the Wikimedia Foundation, will be having office hours this Thursday at 17:00 UTC (10:00 PT, 13:00 ET) on IRC in #wikimedia-office. If you do not have an IRC client, there are two ways you can come chat using a web browser: First is using the Wikizine chat gateway at http://chatwikizine.memebot.com/cgi-bin/cgiirc/irc.cgi. Type a nickname, select irc.freenode.net from the top menu and #wikimedia-office from the following menu, then login to join. Also, you can access Freenode by going to http://webchat.freenode.net/, typing in the nickname of your choice and choosing wikimedia-office as the channel. You may be prompted to click through a security warning, which you can click to accept. Please feel free to forward (and translate!) this email to any other relevant email lists you happen to be on. Philippe Beaudette Head of Reader Relations Wikimedia Foundation phili...@wikimedia.org Imagine a world in which every human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Office hours for Friday, February 12
Hey everyone! On Friday, Office Hour will be hosted by Mike Godwin, Legal counsel for the Wikimedia Foundation, who you can read about at http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/User:Mikegodwin Office hours are from 2330 to 0030 UTC (3:30 PM to 4:30 AM PST). If you do not have an IRC client, there are two ways you can come chat using a web browser: First is using the Wikizine chat gateway at http://chatwikizine.memebot.com/cgi-bin/cgiirc/irc.cgi. Type a nickname, select irc.freenode.net from the top menu and #wikimedia-office from the following menu, then login to join. Also, you can access Freenode by going to http://webchat.freenode.net/, typing in the nickname of your choice and choosing wikimedia-office as the channel. You may be prompted to click through a security warning. It should be all right. Please feel free to forward (and translate!) this email to any other relevant email lists you happen to be on. -- Cary Bass Volunteer Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Office hours *right now* Thursday, February 4
Hello all! Apologies for the very short notice! Today's office hours are featuring Guillaume Paumier, and Neil Kaandalgaonkar, who are Project Manager and Software Developer for the Multimedia Usability Project. Read more about them at: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/User:Guillom and http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/User:NeilK Office hours are from 1700 to 1800 UTC (9:00 AM to 10:00 AM PST). If you do not have an IRC client, there are two ways you can come chat using a web browser: First is using the Wikizine chat gateway at http://chatwikizine.memebot.com/cgi-bin/cgiirc/irc.cgi. Type a nickname, select irc.freenode.net from the top menu and #wikimedia-office from the following menu, then login to join. Also, you can access Freenode by going to http://webchat.freenode.net/, typing in the nickname of your choice and choosing wikimedia-office as the channel. You may be prompted to click through a security warning. It should be all right. Please feel free to forward (and translate!) this email to any other relevant email lists you happen to be on. -- Cary Bass Volunteer Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Office hours very shortly
Hello all! Sorry about the lack of email list notice--I'm trying to not barrage the email lists constantly with the same message. If you want longer notice, just be sure to keep your eyes on the page on meta: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours The first office hours for 2010 are from 1700 to 1800 UTC (9:00 AM - 10:00 AM PST) today and will feature once again, Rand Montoya, to talk about the annual fundraiser. If you do not have an IRC client, there are two ways you can come chat using a web browser: First is using the Wikizine chat gateway at http://chatwikizine.memebot.com/cgi-bin/cgiirc/irc.cgi. Type a nickname, select irc.freenode.net from the top menu and #wikimedia-office from the following menu, then login to join. Also, you can access Freenode by going to http://webchat.freenode.net/, typing in the nickname of your choice and choosing wikimedia-office as the channel. You may be prompted to click through a security warning. It should be all right. Please feel free to forward (and translate!) this email to any other relevant email lists you happen to be on. -- Cary Bass Volunteer Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Office hours Thursday, December 17
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 This Thursday's office hours will feature Sara Crouse, the Wikimedia Foundation's Head of Partnerships and Foundation Relations. Sara's biography is available at http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/User:Sara_Crouse. Office hours on Thursday are from 1700 to 1800 UTC (9:00 AM - 10:00 AM PST). *Please note: This will be the last office hours of 2009. Office hours will start back after the New Years!* If you do not have an IRC client, there are two ways you can come chat using a web browser: First is using the Wikizine chat gateway at http://chatwikizine.memebot.com/cgi-bin/cgiirc/irc.cgi. Type a nickname, select irc.freenode.net from the top menu and #wikimedia-office from the following menu, then login to join. Also, you can access Freenode by going to http://webchat.freenode.net/, typing in the nickname of your choice and choosing wikimedia-office as the channel. You may be prompted to click through a security warning. It should be all right. Please feel free to forward (and translate!) this email to any other relevant email lists you happen to be on. - -- Cary Bass Volunteer Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAksoGyQACgkQyQg4JSymDYk5ZgCgh8JyDfpDhEOf9PR8TzddWwyq CW4AnjRCzEoptTBvpm2h2V25hKp0/bjv =V6KW -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Office hours next Friday, December 11
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello all! Next Thursday's office hours will feature Frank Schulenberg, the Wikimedia Foundation's Head of Public Outreach. If you don't know Frank you can learn all about him at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Frank_Schulenburg. Office hours on Friday are from 2330 to 0030 UTC (3:30 PM - 4:30 PM PST). If you do not have an IRC client, there are two ways you can come chat using a web browser: First is using the Wikizine chat gateway at http://chatwikizine.memebot.com/cgi-bin/cgiirc/irc.cgi. Type a nickname, select irc.freenode.net from the top menu and #wikimedia-office from the following menu, then login to join. Also, you can access Freenode by going to http://webchat.freenode.net/, typing in the nickname of your choice and choosing wikimedia-office as the channel. You may be prompted to click through a security warning. It should be all right. Please feel free to forward (and translate!) this email to any other relevant email lists you happen to be on. - -- Cary Bass Volunteer Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAksf+UgACgkQyQg4JSymDYnTqgCdHYQde2Ihm+BhaQEOnteMPGbE /AQAoMPzapFkeimtSijqas9hDpLDvpc7 =4HdT -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Office hours next Friday, December 11
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I hope my inability to send these out without one single mistake is amply entertaining. The day is Friday (as indicated in the subject and the second paragraph), not Thursday (as carelessly left in the first line). Cary Cary Bass wrote: Hello all! Next Thursday's office hours will feature Frank Schulenberg, the Wikimedia Foundation's Head of Public Outreach. If you don't know Frank you can learn all about him at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Frank_Schulenburg. Office hours on Friday are from 2330 to 0030 UTC (3:30 PM - 4:30 PM PST). If you do not have an IRC client, there are two ways you can come chat using a web browser: First is using the Wikizine chat gateway at http://chatwikizine.memebot.com/cgi-bin/cgiirc/irc.cgi. Type a nickname, select irc.freenode.net from the top menu and #wikimedia-office from the following menu, then login to join. Also, you can access Freenode by going to http://webchat.freenode.net/, typing in the nickname of your choice and choosing wikimedia-office as the channel. You may be prompted to click through a security warning. It should be all right. Please feel free to forward (and translate!) this email to any other relevant email lists you happen to be on. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAksgAgwACgkQyQg4JSymDYkreACgzoSw3Y3K+qM+rgU6c0/+flJG 3ggAoOUVXpd3/f5runSOeNXVWopEDU73 =67cZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Office Hours
It's happening again :) Wikimedia Strategy Project office hours on IRC (#wikimedia-strategy at freenode) are Wednesday from 04:00-05:00 UTC, which is: Tuesday, 8-9pm PST Tuesday, 11pm-12am EST You can access the chat by going to https://webchat.freenode.net/ and filling in a username and the channel name (#wikimedia-strategy). You may be prompted to click through a security warning. It's fine. Another option is http://chat.wikizine.org. For more information about IRC clients, go to the Wikipedia entry on IRC or the Meta page on Wikimedia IRC. Philippe Beaudette Facilitator, Strategy Project Wikimedia Foundation phili...@wikimedia.org mobile: 918 200-WIKI (9454) Imagine a world in which every human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Office Hours
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 1:36 PM, Philippe Beaudette pbeaude...@wikimedia.org wrote: It's happening again :) Wikimedia Strategy Project office hours on IRC (#wikimedia-strategy at freenode) are Wednesday from 04:00-05:00 UTC, which is: Tuesday, 8-9pm PST Tuesday, 11pm-12am EST There's now a Question of the Week posted weekly on the strategy wiki. It highlights an important strategic question with some accompanying data. I'd very much like to see more participation. http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Question_of_the_week We'll also discuss tonight during office hours. Thanks! =Eugene -- == Eugene Eric Kim http://xri.net/=eekim Blue Oxen Associates http://www.blueoxen.com/ == ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Office hours next Thursday, December 3
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello all! Next Thursday's office hours will feature Jay Walsh, the Foundation's Head of Communications. If you don't know Jay you can learn all about him at http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/User:JayWalsh. Office hours on Thursday are from 1700 to 1800 UTC (9:00 AM - 10:00 AM PST). If you do not have an IRC client, there are two ways you can come chat using a web browser: First is using the Wikizine chat gateway at http://chatwikizine.memebot.com/cgi-bin/cgiirc/irc.cgi. Type a nickname, select irc.freenode.net from the top menu and #wikimedia-office from the following menu, then login to join. Also, you can access Freenode by going to http://webchat.freenode.net/, typing in the nickname of your choice and choosing wikimedia-office as the channel. You may be prompted to click through a security warning. It should be all right. Please feel free to forward (and translate!) this email to any other relevant email lists you happen to be on. - -- Cary Bass Volunteer Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAksVtagACgkQyQg4JSymDYlSTACfTd7zJwdm3Ja533jkQyFdIOqr m64An32bBAid2M4HpqANERYGFJehzeyc =+G24 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Office hours next Thursday, November 19
Forgive my poor math (in addition to my poor self-proofreading skills) but 3:00 PM Pacific time is actually 2300 and not 2100. Office hours are in 1:45 hours. Cary Cary Bass wrote: Hello all! Next Thursday's office hours will feature Véronique Kessler, the Foundation's Chief Financial Officer. If you don't know Véronique you can get to know her at http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/V%C3%A9ronique_Kessler. Office hours on Thursday are from 2100 to 2200 UTC (3:00 PM - 4:00 PM PDT). If you do not have an IRC client, there are two ways you can come chat using a web browser: First is using the Wikizine chat gateway at http://chatwikizine.memebot.com/cgi-bin/cgiirc/irc.cgi. Type a nickname, select irc.freenode.net from the top menu and #wikimedia-office from the following menu, then login to join. Also, you can access Freenode by going to http://webchat.freenode.net/, typing in the nickname of your choice and choosing wikimedia-office as the channel. You may be prompted to click through a security warning. It should be all right. Please feel free to forward (and translate!) this email to any other relevant email lists you happen to be on. Also note, this is Veronique's first foray into IRC, so lets show her how welcoming we can be! :-) ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Cary Bass Volunteer Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Office hours next Thursday, November 19
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello all! Next Thursday's office hours will feature Véronique Kessler, the Foundation's Chief Financial Officer. If you don't know Naoko, you can get to know her at http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/V%C3%A9ronique_Kessler. Office hours on Thursday are from 2100 to 2200 UTC (3:00 PM - 4:00 PM PDT). If you do not have an IRC client, there are two ways you can come chat using a web browser: First is using the Wikizine chat gateway at http://chatwikizine.memebot.com/cgi-bin/cgiirc/irc.cgi. Type a nickname, select irc.freenode.net from the top menu and #wikimedia-office from the following menu, then login to join. Also, you can access Freenode by going to http://webchat.freenode.net/, typing in the nickname of your choice and choosing wikimedia-office as the channel. You may be prompted to click through a security warning. It should be all right. Please feel free to forward (and translate!) this email to any other relevant email lists you happen to be on. Also note, this is Veronique's first foray into IRC, so lets show her how welcoming we can be! :-) - -- Cary Bass Volunteer Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAksDQcwACgkQyQg4JSymDYl+wACcCsTgIUtThC4agEUwC9533olx 61cAn1titMJqMmNt4GESgoQ9U5sQMFM7 =1DvA -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Office hours next Thursday, November 19
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Cary Bass wrote: Hello all! Next Thursday's office hours will feature Véronique Kessler, the Foundation's Chief Financial Officer. If you don't know Naoko, you can get to know her at http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/V%C3%A9ronique_Kessler. delete Naoko insert Véronique *blush* - -- Cary Bass Volunteer Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAksDQosACgkQyQg4JSymDYk9AgCgoaQ/4BT7OsT/gkjt333D2Fa0 bdIAoKLFjqVqZNsHlUpPcpzG+X4MeGg/ =ZXON -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Office hours starting in 30 minutes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Just a quick reminder about today's office hours with Naoko Komura and the usability team (from 1700 to 1800 UTC). If you do not have an IRC client, there are two ways you can come chat using a web browser: First is using the Wikizine chat gateway at http://chatwikizine.memebot.com/cgi-bin/cgiirc/irc.cgi. Type a nickname, select irc.freenode.net from the top menu and #wikimedia-office from the following menu, then login to join. Also, you can access Freenode by going to http://webchat.freenode.net/, typing in the nickname of your choice and choosing wikimedia-office as the channel. You may be prompted to click through a security warning. It should be all right. - -- Cary Bass Volunteer Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation Support free knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Support_Wikipedia -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkr8N4YACgkQyQg4JSymDYmiqACeLNvaipOSpav4QRey+hJl4Gji RDkAoJUCeaN6Xyv3rm1wo+NtSMRkAbke =qcZn -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Office hours this Friday, November 6
There's one Thursday in my previous message. It's going to definitely be on Friday, sorry if it caused any confusion. (Thanks James!) Cary Cary Bass wrote: Hello all! This Friday's office hours will once again feature Rand Montoya, Wikimedia Foundation's Head of Community Giving. If you don't know Rand, you can read about him at http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Rand_Montoya. Office hours on Thursday are from 2230 to 2330 UTC (3:30 PM - 4:30 PM PDT). If you do not have an IRC client, there are two ways you can come chat using a web browser: First is using the Wikizine chat gateway at http://chatwikizine.memebot.com/cgi-bin/cgiirc/irc.cgi. Type a nickname, select irc.freenode.net from the top menu and #wikimedia-office from the following menu, then login to join. Also, you can access Freenode by going to http://webchat.freenode.net/, typing in the nickname of your choice and choosing wikimedia-office as the channel. You may be prompted to click through a security warning. It should be all right. Please feel free to forward (and translate!) this email to any other relevant email lists you happen to be on. -- Cary Bass Volunteer Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Office hours this Friday, November 6
Hello all! This Friday's office hours will once again feature Rand Montoya, Wikimedia Foundation's Head of Community Giving. If you don't know Rand, you can read about him at http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Rand_Montoya. Office hours on Thursday are from 2230 to 2330 UTC (3:30 PM - 4:30 PM PDT). If you do not have an IRC client, there are two ways you can come chat using a web browser: First is using the Wikizine chat gateway at http://chatwikizine.memebot.com/cgi-bin/cgiirc/irc.cgi. Type a nickname, select irc.freenode.net from the top menu and #wikimedia-office from the following menu, then login to join. Also, you can access Freenode by going to http://webchat.freenode.net/, typing in the nickname of your choice and choosing wikimedia-office as the channel. You may be prompted to click through a security warning. It should be all right. Please feel free to forward (and translate!) this email to any other relevant email lists you happen to be on. -- Cary Bass Volunteer Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Office hours in 30 minutes (2009-10-29)
Greetings! Just a reminder that today's office hours will feature Kul Wadhwa, Wikimedia Foundation's Head of Business Development. If you don't know Kul, you can read about him at http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Kul_Wadhwa. Office hours today are from 1600 to 1700 UTC (9:00 AM - 10:00 AM PDT). If you do not have an IRC client, there are two ways you can come chat using a web browser: First is using the Wikizine chat gateway at http://chatwikizine.memebot.com/cgi-bin/cgiirc/irc.cgi. Type a nickname, select irc.freenode.net from the top menu and #wikimedia-office from the following menu, then login to join. Also, you can access Freenode by going to http://webchat.freenode.net/, typing in the nickname of your choice and choosing wikimedia-office as the channel. You may be prompted to click through a security warning. It should be all right. Please feel free to forward (and translate!) this email to any other relevant email lists you happen to be on. (Kul is able to speak English, Japanese and Portuguese with some degree of competancy!) -- Cary Bass Volunteer Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] Office hours next Thursday, October 29.
Hello all! Next Thursday's office hours will feature Kul Wadhwa, Wikimedia Foundation's Head of Business Development. If you don't know Kul, you can read about him at http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Kul_Wadhwa. Office hours on Thursday are from 1600 to 1700 UTC (9:00 AM - 10:00 AM PDT). If you do not have an IRC client, there are two ways you can come chat using a web browser: First is using the Wikizine chat gateway at http://chatwikizine.memebot.com/cgi-bin/cgiirc/irc.cgi. Type a nickname, select irc.freenode.net from the top menu and #wikimedia-office from the following menu, then login to join. Also, you can access Freenode by going to http://webchat.freenode.net/, typing in the nickname of your choice and choosing wikimedia-office as the channel. You may be prompted to click through a security warning. It should be all right. Please feel free to forward (and translate!) this email to any other relevant email lists you happen to be on. (Kul is able to speak English, Japanese and Portuguese with some degree of competancy!) -- Cary Bass Volunteer Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Office hours
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 04:02, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote: The WMF have already offered to do it at two timeslots and if these are sufficiently different from each other then that's about all that can be done. You're never going to be able to please everyone in this issue. Agreed, but having two slots which are convenient for noone does not really help :) So I would suggest to have one slot convenient for Europeans/Africans, one slot convenient for Asia/Oceania. Any of both will be convenient for the US West Coast, which in turn should make it relatively OK for the US East Coast and South America. I think it was along those lines that Angela said to move both times later. Delphine -- ~notafish NB. This gmail address is used for mailing lists. Personal emails will get lost. Intercultural musings: Ceci n'est pas une endive - http://blog.notanendive.org ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Office hours
There are people living in Asia and Australia as well actually ... you know! Oh wait they aren't Western people so why bother .. W Best option would be to have two sets, one for Europe and one for the Americas. From: Cary Bass c...@wikimedia.org To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 2:38:12 PM Subject: [Foundation-l] Office hours -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 It seems that I've gotten complaints that both sets of office hours times are difficult for Europeans. However, in the interest of having the broadest participation possible, I'm interested to know how people feel about one of the following: 1) Have the Friday office hours one hour earlier (from 21:30-22:30 UTC) 2) Have the Thursday office hours one hour later (from 17:00-18:00 UTC) 3) Keep two sets of office hours the same, we cannot please everyone possible! - -- Cary Bass Volunteer Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkrBLMAACgkQyQg4JSymDYnDcgCePVl4xtOW9DyWPKr7GETgkd8B ElwAn3zXiBebDJSFySML11qxIAL4BYsp =uuz/ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Office hours
2009/9/30 Waerth wae...@asianet.co.th: There are people living in Asia and Australia as well actually ... you know! Oh wait they aren't Western people so why bother .. I am well aware of the existence of Asia and Australia. I have been to several Asian countries - I definitely remember seeing people there. The time of 2130-2230 was proposed explicitly for the benefit of Europeans (see Cary's first email in this thread), so I pointed out that it actually doesn't work well for Europeans. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Office hours ... the concept of time zones
Basically if there is room for two sets of office hours it should still be possible to please most of the world. There are times when Europe/Africa and the Americas overlap. And there are times when East Asia/Australia and the Americas overlap There are no hours that all 3 of these rough zones would overlap really and West Asia/Middle East would be a bit tricky to fit in with these zones. Basically office hours for an Americas/East Asia/Australia zone would overlap best from 0300 to 0500 UTC (Evening Americas, Morning/afternoon East Asia/Australia and even west Asia could fit in) Office hours for an Americas/Europe zone could be something like 1900 UTC till 2100 UTC (Afternoon/morning Americas, Evening Europe) When you plan round and bout these hours most of the world would be satisfied and able to participate in either one or the other set of office hours! W I think having the thursday meeting one or two more hours later would work fine for Europe, so if that works also better for Australia... Not sure about the Friday one, although the next day is weekend. 2130 UTC sounds like a good time though. 2009/9/29 Angela bees...@gmail.com 1) Have the Friday office hours one hour earlier (from 21:30-22:30 UTC) 2) Have the Thursday office hours one hour later (from 17:00-18:00 UTC) 3) Keep two sets of office hours the same, we cannot please everyone possible! If you make the Friday one earlier, it becomes more inaccessible to people in Asia and Western Australia who will likely be sleeping through the Thursday one. What about making both of them a couple of hours later? Angela ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Office hours ... the concept of time zones
Thomas Dalton wrote: 2009/9/30 Waerth wae...@asianet.co.th: Basically if there is room for two sets of office hours it should still be possible to please most of the world. There are times when Europe/Africa and the Americas overlap. And there are times when East Asia/Australia and the Americas overlap There are no hours that all 3 of these rough zones would overlap really and West Asia/Middle East would be a bit tricky to fit in with these zones. Basically office hours for an Americas/East Asia/Australia zone would overlap best from 0300 to 0500 UTC (Evening Americas, Morning/afternoon East Asia/Australia and even west Asia could fit in) That's 8pm to 10pm in San Francisco (daylight saving time, 7pm to 9pm otherwise), I think this really needs to happen during business hours in SF, otherwise staff have to give up their free time for it. If they are willing to do that, then great, but we shouldn't expect them to. That is true ... but it would be awfully nice if they would do ... maybe change their hours for those particular days (instead of 9 to 17 work from 14 to 22?) otherwise it would be difficult to fit Asia/Australia in in any schedule really. The other option would be something like 0200 utc (though very early for India) or 1400/1500 utc (but this would be very late for Japan and Australia/New Zealand). Personally I would opt for 0200 utc then as that would squeeze by best I guess . I know I was being a tad aggressive but I get pretty upset when people plan things conveniently for the Europeans and Americans and forget that there are 3.5 billion people on other parts of the planet out there some of whom do participate . W ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Office hours ... the concept of time zones
Really, this all feels very simple to me. You take the earliest time in the morning and the latest time in the afternoon that people working in an office in San Francisco are will to accommodate. Will that satisfy everyone? No. However picking times at the start and the end of the business day is probably the most that it is reasonable to ask of the staff as an ongoing commitment. -Robert Rohde On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Waerth wae...@asianet.co.th wrote: Thomas Dalton wrote: 2009/9/30 Waerth wae...@asianet.co.th: Basically if there is room for two sets of office hours it should still be possible to please most of the world. There are times when Europe/Africa and the Americas overlap. And there are times when East Asia/Australia and the Americas overlap There are no hours that all 3 of these rough zones would overlap really and West Asia/Middle East would be a bit tricky to fit in with these zones. Basically office hours for an Americas/East Asia/Australia zone would overlap best from 0300 to 0500 UTC (Evening Americas, Morning/afternoon East Asia/Australia and even west Asia could fit in) That's 8pm to 10pm in San Francisco (daylight saving time, 7pm to 9pm otherwise), I think this really needs to happen during business hours in SF, otherwise staff have to give up their free time for it. If they are willing to do that, then great, but we shouldn't expect them to. That is true ... but it would be awfully nice if they would do ... maybe change their hours for those particular days (instead of 9 to 17 work from 14 to 22?) otherwise it would be difficult to fit Asia/Australia in in any schedule really. The other option would be something like 0200 utc (though very early for India) or 1400/1500 utc (but this would be very late for Japan and Australia/New Zealand). Personally I would opt for 0200 utc then as that would squeeze by best I guess . I know I was being a tad aggressive but I get pretty upset when people plan things conveniently for the Europeans and Americans and forget that there are 3.5 billion people on other parts of the planet out there some of whom do participate . W ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Office hours
I think having the thursday meeting one or two more hours later would work fine for Europe, so if that works also better for Australia... Not sure about the Friday one, although the next day is weekend. 2130 UTC sounds like a good time though. 2009/9/29 Angela bees...@gmail.com 1) Have the Friday office hours one hour earlier (from 21:30-22:30 UTC) 2) Have the Thursday office hours one hour later (from 17:00-18:00 UTC) 3) Keep two sets of office hours the same, we cannot please everyone possible! If you make the Friday one earlier, it becomes more inaccessible to people in Asia and Western Australia who will likely be sleeping through the Thursday one. What about making both of them a couple of hours later? Angela ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Office hours
2009/9/29 effe iets anders effeietsand...@gmail.com: I think having the thursday meeting one or two more hours later would work fine for Europe, so if that works also better for Australia... Not sure about the Friday one, although the next day is weekend. 2130 UTC sounds like a good time though. 2130 UTC sounds a little late to me if we want Europeans there. We're on daylight saving time for another month (ish), so in Western Europe, that is 2330, finishing at 0030. That's pretty late. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Office hours
on a friday? :S 2009/9/29 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com 2009/9/29 effe iets anders effeietsand...@gmail.com: I think having the thursday meeting one or two more hours later would work fine for Europe, so if that works also better for Australia... Not sure about the Friday one, although the next day is weekend. 2130 UTC sounds like a good time though. 2130 UTC sounds a little late to me if we want Europeans there. We're on daylight saving time for another month (ish), so in Western Europe, that is 2330, finishing at 0030. That's pretty late. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
