Re: [Foundation-l] POV in Chechen Wikipedia
Hoi, Thanks for bringing this up, Yaroslav. If it turns out to be a really solid claim, we would need someone neutral with language competence to figure out what is going on there... Any ideas? I have a retired professor in mind who speaks the language fairly well (Johanna Nichols from UC Berkeley), but that could involve costs for the WMF. I don't know anyone else who is not from Chechnya and still speaks Chechen. Th. 2012/1/27 Yaroslav M. Blanter : > I opened a RFC request on Meta, > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/POV_in_Chechen_Wikipedia > > In my view, this is a situation similar to the one in Acehnese Wikipedia, > which we had recently - when a group of users basically "hijack" a WMF > project and start to promote goals incompatible with the WMF mission. > Whereas we still need to listen to all sides of the conflict and I might be > wrong on that, I still find the situation alarming and I would like to get > reactions. Note that I was not involved (and I would prefer not to be > involved), I am just an observer. > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] POV in Chechen Wikipedia
On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 11:58:02 +0100, Thomas Goldammer wrote: > Hoi, > > Thanks for bringing this up, Yaroslav. If it turns out to be a really > solid claim, we would need someone neutral with language competence to > figure out what is going on there... Any ideas? I have a retired > professor in mind who speaks the language fairly well (Johanna Nichols > from UC Berkeley), but that could involve costs for the WMF. I don't > know anyone else who is not from Chechnya and still speaks Chechen. > > > Th. > I see http://ce.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%BD:Contributions/62.235.129.170 that today in all articles Russian Federation was again replaced with Chechnya as the state in the infobox. Which means, I am afraid, that the claim is serious. Indeed, I think we should be looking for people who are not ethnic Chechens but still speak the language to some extent. May be the Language Committee has better ideas. If we could not find any reasonable solution, may be one needs just to close down the project, because currently it seems to be just a POV website. Cheers Yaroslav ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] POV in Chechen Wikipedia
Hm, I think closing it is no option we should really consider. Maybe we must try to share apart those who have understood the principles and abide by them and those who don't and - well - remove sysop rights of the latter group and encourage the first group to have the wiki cleaned up and to enforce the basic principles... But, as I said, someone trustworthy with language abilities will be needed. Th. > > I see > http://ce.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%85%D0%B0%D0%BD:Contributions/62.235.129.170 > that today in all articles Russian Federation was again replaced with > Chechnya as the state in the infobox. Which means, I am afraid, that the > claim is serious. Indeed, I think we should be looking for people who are > not ethnic Chechens but still speak the language to some extent. May be the > Language Committee has better ideas. If we could not find any reasonable > solution, may be one needs just to close down the project, because > currently it seems to be just a POV website. > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] POV in Chechen Wikipedia
On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 15:23:22 +0100, Thomas Goldammer wrote: > Hm, I think closing it is no option we should really consider. Maybe > we must try to share apart those who have understood the principles > and abide by them and those who don't and - well - remove sysop rights > of the latter group and encourage the first group to have the wiki > cleaned up and to enforce the basic principles... But, as I said, > someone trustworthy with language abilities will be needed. > > Th. > Right, I do not think closing would be any good. I think we should hear the sides first. I mailed Umar Dagirov a link (he did not respond yet), and I would appreciate if one of the stewards would inform the other party in Chechen Wikipedia. (I am hesitant to do it, since I may be immediately blocked there, and this would really complicate things). This can hopefully be all done without a language expert. At the next stage, we would indeed need to see who has understood the principles and is willing to follow them - and afterwards we might need a language expert. Cheers Yaroslav ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] POV in Chechen Wikipedia
I haven't read the RFC carefully, but since it is opened, so I informed Sasan700 and Dagger on their talk page. Also emailed Sasan700. Best regards, Benjamin Chen / User:Bencmq On Friday, January 27, 2012 at 10:32 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: > On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 15:23:22 +0100, Thomas Goldammer > mailto:tho...@googlemail.com)> wrote: > > Hm, I think closing it is no option we should really consider. Maybe > > we must try to share apart those who have understood the principles > > and abide by them and those who don't and - well - remove sysop rights > > of the latter group and encourage the first group to have the wiki > > cleaned up and to enforce the basic principles... But, as I said, > > someone trustworthy with language abilities will be needed. > > > > Th. > > Right, I do not think closing would be any good. I think we should hear > the sides first. I mailed Umar Dagirov a link (he did not respond yet), and > I would appreciate if one of the stewards would inform the other party in > Chechen Wikipedia. (I am hesitant to do it, since I may be immediately > blocked there, and this would really complicate things). This can hopefully > be all done without a language expert. At the next stage, we would indeed > need to see who has understood the principles and is willing to follow them > - and afterwards we might need a language expert. > > Cheers > Yaroslav > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org (mailto:foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org) > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] POV in Chechen Wikipedia
On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 23:14:40 +0800, Benjamin Chen wrote: > I haven't read the RFC carefully, but since it is opened, so I informed > Sasan700 and Dagger on their talk page. Also emailed Sasan700. > > Best regards, > Benjamin Chen / User:Bencmq > > Great, thanks, Benjamin. Cheers Yaroslav ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] POV in Chechen Wikipedia
As for the article on Ramzan Kadyrov, I just checked and the only editor was Дагиров Умар plus a bot (Luckas-bot) Best regards, Benjamin Chen / User:Bencmq On Friday, January 27, 2012 at 10:32 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: > On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 15:23:22 +0100, Thomas Goldammer > mailto:tho...@googlemail.com)> wrote: > > Hm, I think closing it is no option we should really consider. Maybe > > we must try to share apart those who have understood the principles > > and abide by them and those who don't and - well - remove sysop rights > > of the latter group and encourage the first group to have the wiki > > cleaned up and to enforce the basic principles... But, as I said, > > someone trustworthy with language abilities will be needed. > > > > Th. > > Right, I do not think closing would be any good. I think we should hear > the sides first. I mailed Umar Dagirov a link (he did not respond yet), and > I would appreciate if one of the stewards would inform the other party in > Chechen Wikipedia. (I am hesitant to do it, since I may be immediately > blocked there, and this would really complicate things). This can hopefully > be all done without a language expert. At the next stage, we would indeed > need to see who has understood the principles and is willing to follow them > - and afterwards we might need a language expert. > > Cheers > Yaroslav > > ___ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org (mailto:foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org) > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
