Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia domains, SOPA, Godaddy and MarkMonitor
Hello, Thanks MZMcBride for your reply here. On 10 Mar 2012, at 22:32, MZMcBride wrote: Michael Peel wrote: I'd like to see more information here. What activities are MarkMonitor involved in with the 'anti-piracy fight'? Are they involved in filtering all peer-to-peer traffic, or just the traffic that contravenes copyright law? As a domain name supplier, what is their relation to ISPs, and how do they practically provide this filtering? What evidence do they supply to copyright holders - I assume that this evidence is related to who has registered which domain, since (as domain name providers) they shouldn't be in a position to provide any other (non-public) information here? How do they monitor titles? Did you do any quick research before asking these questions? Yes. I've been aware of this planned transfer for a while, and I did some background research into MarkMonitor as time has permitted. Of particular relevance here, I've read the (English) Wikipedia article, and the WMF blog post. I'm still surprised at what Domas said here, though, and I want to understand this aspect of the issue. Both my last email and this one was/is sent in the hope of gaining a deeper understanding of this issue from knowledgable people, rather than just relying on a bit of quick research via a Google search. I'm asking this out of genuine interest. My understanding of domain name providers in general is that they provide a service that simply says this domain name points to the server at this IP address, rather than them having any role in filtering, providing evidence, or monitoring. I'm rather surprised to hear that their activities go beyond this. MarkMonitor isn't a typical domain registrar. It's a component of what they do, but they're quite explicitly a brand protection service. A very large part of Web brands just happens to be their domain names. I did some quick research. It looks like MarkMonitor has been involved with a lot of major companies, including Facebook (hi Domas!), Google, and now the Wikimedia Foundation (https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:MarkMonitor). There were rumors that MarkMonitor was also involved in the acquisition of mobileme.com and me.com for Apple. http://arst.ch/nu2 was an interesting take on one of the company's reports. I guess they pissed off RapidShare pretty badly at some point. That's interesting to hear, but I'm still curious about the logistics of how they operate, particularly in terms of how them being a domain name provider (which is a rather distinct role) but not an ISP (another rather distinct role) connects to them assisting in filtering content, and also how this link to them enforcing Creative Commons licensing. Speaking as someone that has contributed to the Wikimedia projects, I would be rather surprised if the WMF's domain name supplier started trying enforcing the copyright and licensing terms of the content that I have provided to the projects. I want to see more information here. Ideally, that information would be provided via the Wikipedia article on this organisation. But if Domas could provide links that back up his comments, then that would still be really useful. At the moment, though, I have to tag his whole email with [citation needed]... That's not to provide any sort of opposition to the move that WMF has made here; it's just to make an expression of interest in terms of seeing more information being made easily available (via the Wikimedia projects) on this topic. I'm all in favour of moving the Wikimedia domain names from GoDaddy to MarkMonitor (and, tbh, I'm rather puzzled by why the WMF decided to use GoDaddy in the first place), I'm just rather puzzled by your statements here. Byproduct of history, I imagine. It used to be that it didn't really matter where you registered a domain, as long as they were competent enough to keep it registered and handle your whois data. In most cases and for most people, this is still true. I vaguely recall some major site being interrupted within the past year because their domain registration password (on a site like GoDaddy or HostGator or wherever) was incredibly weak. You'd be surprised what kinds of domains are registered where. :-) Thinking about this further, I guess that this links all the way back to Nupedia being a Bomis project, which would explain why they an unethical domain name provider was used for the Wiki[p/m]edia domains... Thanks, Mike (personal viewpoint) ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia domains, SOPA, Godaddy and MarkMonitor
2012/3/10 Domas Mituzas midom.li...@gmail.com Hi! I hereby congratulate Wikimedia Foundation switching domains from pro-SOPA Godaddy to MarkMonitor. Not that many people know, but MarkMonitor is ahead of the industry in anti-piracy fight: * They have systems to do real-time content filtering for ISPs, that stop peer-to-peer piracy. * They provide evidence for largest media and entertainment copyright holders, that is accepted in civil and criminal courts. * They have state of the art systems to monitor millions of titles on peer to peer networks and send Cease and Desist letters. There're way more anti-piracy activities that MarkMonitor does, and I'm happy that WMF and MM are joining their forces. I hope it will lead to better Creative Commons license enforcing, as well as detecting illegal use of content on WMF sites too, some day. That real-time content filtering skills are definitely aligned with our image filter ambitions. Well played. BR, Domas ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia domains, SOPA, Godaddy and MarkMonitor
Hi Domas, I'd like to see more information here. What activities are MarkMonitor involved in with the 'anti-piracy fight'? Are they involved in filtering all peer-to-peer traffic, or just the traffic that contravenes copyright law? As a domain name supplier, what is their relation to ISPs, and how do they practically provide this filtering? What evidence do they supply to copyright holders - I assume that this evidence is related to who has registered which domain, since (as domain name providers) they shouldn't be in a position to provide any other (non-public) information here? How do they monitor titles? I'm asking this out of genuine interest. My understanding of domain name providers in general is that they provide a service that simply says this domain name points to the server at this IP address, rather than them having any role in filtering, providing evidence, or monitoring. I'm rather surprised to hear that their activities go beyond this. I'm all in favour of moving the Wikimedia domain names from GoDaddy to MarkMonitor (and, tbh, I'm rather puzzled by why the WMF decided to use GoDaddy in the first place), I'm just rather puzzled by your statements here. Thanks, Mike (NB: please note that although I'm subscribed to this list under my @wikimedia.org.uk address for the purposes of organising my incoming emails, I'm asking these questions on a personal basis.) On 10 Mar 2012, at 19:23, Domas Mituzas wrote: Hi! I hereby congratulate Wikimedia Foundation switching domains from pro-SOPA Godaddy to MarkMonitor. Not that many people know, but MarkMonitor is ahead of the industry in anti-piracy fight: * They have systems to do real-time content filtering for ISPs, that stop peer-to-peer piracy. * They provide evidence for largest media and entertainment copyright holders, that is accepted in civil and criminal courts. * They have state of the art systems to monitor millions of titles on peer to peer networks and send Cease and Desist letters. There're way more anti-piracy activities that MarkMonitor does, and I'm happy that WMF and MM are joining their forces. I hope it will lead to better Creative Commons license enforcing, as well as detecting illegal use of content on WMF sites too, some day. BR, Domas ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia domains, SOPA, Godaddy and MarkMonitor
Michael Peel, 10/03/2012 21:54: I'm all in favour of moving the Wikimedia domain names from GoDaddy to MarkMonitor (and, tbh, I'm rather puzzled by why the WMF decided to use GoDaddy in the first place), I'm just rather puzzled by your statements here. The official blog post says that «the Foundation was already utilizing MarkMonitor’s brand protection services».[1] It's nice that we've recovered some domains which were confusing users, and I hope we'll get more, I like the WIPO cases which were positive or the WMF; but I'm confident that brand protection can continue to be pursued in a balanced way, without joining the traditional copyright/intellectual property police. Nemo [1] https://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/03/09/transfer-of-wikipedia-sites-from-godaddy-complete/ ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia domains, SOPA, Godaddy and MarkMonitor
Michael Peel wrote: I'd like to see more information here. What activities are MarkMonitor involved in with the 'anti-piracy fight'? Are they involved in filtering all peer-to-peer traffic, or just the traffic that contravenes copyright law? As a domain name supplier, what is their relation to ISPs, and how do they practically provide this filtering? What evidence do they supply to copyright holders - I assume that this evidence is related to who has registered which domain, since (as domain name providers) they shouldn't be in a position to provide any other (non-public) information here? How do they monitor titles? Did you do any quick research before asking these questions? I'm asking this out of genuine interest. My understanding of domain name providers in general is that they provide a service that simply says this domain name points to the server at this IP address, rather than them having any role in filtering, providing evidence, or monitoring. I'm rather surprised to hear that their activities go beyond this. MarkMonitor isn't a typical domain registrar. It's a component of what they do, but they're quite explicitly a brand protection service. A very large part of Web brands just happens to be their domain names. I did some quick research. It looks like MarkMonitor has been involved with a lot of major companies, including Facebook (hi Domas!), Google, and now the Wikimedia Foundation (https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:MarkMonitor). There were rumors that MarkMonitor was also involved in the acquisition of mobileme.com and me.com for Apple. http://arst.ch/nu2 was an interesting take on one of the company's reports. I guess they pissed off RapidShare pretty badly at some point. I'm all in favour of moving the Wikimedia domain names from GoDaddy to MarkMonitor (and, tbh, I'm rather puzzled by why the WMF decided to use GoDaddy in the first place), I'm just rather puzzled by your statements here. Byproduct of history, I imagine. It used to be that it didn't really matter where you registered a domain, as long as they were competent enough to keep it registered and handle your whois data. In most cases and for most people, this is still true. I vaguely recall some major site being interrupted within the past year because their domain registration password (on a site like GoDaddy or HostGator or wherever) was incredibly weak. You'd be surprised what kinds of domains are registered where. :-) MZMcBride ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia domains at GoDaddy
John Du Hart, 23/12/2011 16:30: This is currently on the reddit front page http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/nnv9l/wikipediaorg_is_with_godaddy_jimmy_if_youre/ Why we're using GoDaddy in the first place is beyond me, surely there's better options available (Like ones that don't support SOPA or have CEOs that shoot elephants). @jimmy_wales: I am proud to announce that the Wikipedia domain names will move away from GoDaddy. Their position on #sopa is unacceptable to us. https://twitter.com/#!/jimmy_wales/status/150287579642740736 Nemo ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia domains at GoDaddy
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 4:09 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: John Du Hart, 23/12/2011 16:30: This is currently on the reddit front page http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/nnv9l/wikipediaorg_is_with_godaddy_jimmy_if_youre/ Why we're using GoDaddy in the first place is beyond me, surely there's better options available (Like ones that don't support SOPA or have CEOs that shoot elephants). @jimmy_wales: I am proud to announce that the Wikipedia domain names will move away from GoDaddy. Their position on #sopa is unacceptable to us. https://twitter.com/#!/jimmy_wales/status/150287579642740736 Nemo ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l And now Go Daddy no longer supports SOPA: http://www.godaddy.com/newscenter/release-view.aspx?news_item_id=378isc=smfb2 -- Patricio Molina ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia domains at GoDaddy
On 23 December 2011 15:30, John Du Hart compwhi...@gmail.com wrote: This is currently on the reddit front page http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/nnv9l/wikipediaorg_is_with_godaddy_jimmy_if_youre/ Why we're using GoDaddy in the first place is beyond me, surely there's better options available (Like ones that don't support SOPA or have CEOs that shoot elephants). http://twitter.com/#!/jimmy_wales/status/150287579642740736 GoDaddy have backed down - http://www.godaddy.com/newscenter/release-view.aspx?news_item_id=378 - but it's too ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia domains at GoDaddy
On 23 December 2011 19:20, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: http://twitter.com/#!/jimmy_wales/status/150287579642740736 GoDaddy have backed down - http://www.godaddy.com/newscenter/release-view.aspx?news_item_id=378 - but it's too ... it's too bloody late. - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia domains at GoDaddy
On 23/12/11 16:30, John Du Hart wrote: This is currently on the reddit front page http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/nnv9l/wikipediaorg_is_with_godaddy_jimmy_if_youre/ Everybody there seem to know whatever evil thoughts GoDaddy said, but there's no reference supporting that. Why we're using GoDaddy in the first place is beyond me, surely there's better options available (Like ones that don't support SOPA or have CEOs that shoot elephants). It may have been originally registered at GoDaddy 11 years ago, or could have provided a better deal than the pondered competitors at some point in the past. I remember that a long time ago there were different registrars for the domains, but they were later homogenized to a single one. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia domains at GoDaddy
On 23 December 2011 19:25, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote: On 23/12/11 16:30, John Du Hart wrote: This is currently on the reddit front page http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/nnv9l/wikipediaorg_is_with_godaddy_jimmy_if_youre/ Everybody there seem to know whatever evil thoughts GoDaddy said, but there's no reference supporting that. Until a few moments ago, http://support.godaddy.com/godaddy/go-daddys-position-on-sopa/ contained a strong statement of support for SOPA. I don't have a screen capture, but I quite definitely read it. - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia domains at GoDaddy
David Gerard, 23/12/2011 20:25: Until a few moments ago, http://support.godaddy.com/godaddy/go-daddys-position-on-sopa/ contained a strong statement of support for SOPA. I don't have a screen capture, but I quite definitely read it. Also, Go Daddy No Longer Supports SOPA (the title of their press release) implies they did before, doesn't it? Nemo ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia domains at GoDaddy
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Also, Go Daddy No Longer Supports SOPA (the title of their press release) implies they did before, doesn't it? Firmly: We contacted GoDaddy for comment. A spokesman declined to comment on the boycott specifically, but reiterated the firm's support for the legislation. Update (6:18 PM): GoDaddy seems unimpressed by the boycott so far. They made the following statement to Ars Technica: Go Daddy has received some emails that appear to stem from the boycott prompt, but we have not seen any impact to our business. We understand there are many differing opinions on the SOPA regulations. Update (December 23): Barely 24 hours after the boycott started, GoDaddy now says it has dropped its support for SOPA. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/12/godaddy-faces-december-29-boycott-over-sopa-support.ars -- Fajro ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
