Re: Board of Directors Elections 2014 - Candidacy - Emily Gonyer
On Wed, 2014-05-21 at 07:24 -0400, Emily Gonyer wrote: Yes, you're part of the community. But you're being paid by a large corporation to work on it, and as a result are beholden to them at least as much as to the rest of the community. Red Hat is not the only thing that matters in the GNOME world. Or, it shouldn't be. Why do you think it is the only thing that matters? What gives you that impression? But for the last several years, Red Hat's wants/needs have trumped what anyone else wants/needs, Are you saying that Red Hat employees mostly worked on features that Red Hat thought were important to GNOME? That's hardly a surprise, but I'd be interested to know why you think it should it be any different. If you refer to particular technical decisions, such as our shift towards systemd, I think the events of recent months have proven us right. If you're talking about some new features that might appear useless to you, note that there will always be others for which those features are important. (I've actually read that people thought the Wacom tablet integration wasn't something we should have been working on. Turns out we now have the best Wacom integration across any platform, even proprietary ones, and it's pushing designers towards using GNOME). including the larger user base of GNOME which is what (I believe) has driven it to fracture into so many DE's over the last 3-4 years. We need to make sure that people who aren't working for Red Hat have a say. Make sure that people who aren't being paid to work on free software have a voice. Sure, those of us who are not currently paid can speak up on mailing lists, but we're (mostly) roundly ignored. This is what has driven the community apart. This is the problem. That's because GNOME is a meritocracy. You don't get to steer GNOME's development simply by saying something on IRC or a mailing-list. You need to actually do. And there are plenty of community members and non-Red Hat employees that actually do, a lot of them working on both core desktop infrastructure and some of our new applications. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Question for candidates
On Wed, 2014-05-21 at 23:35 -0400, Richard Stallman wrote: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] To cooperate formally with a Linux Foundation event would run into a problem -- they would probably want to call the GNU/Linux system Linux, and we should not accept that. I look forward to the FSF's financial contributions to GNOME conferences. The truth is not for sale. GNOME was launched by the GNU Project to be part of the GNU system. That system is still GNU, and calling it Linux is bad for GNU, including GNOME. Care to expand on that? Miguel's history of the GNOME project doesn't make a lot of mention of GNU: https://web.archive.org/web/20131106035732/http://primates.ximian.com/~miguel/gnome-history.html Namely, a discussion with you about his plans, the use of GNU licenses, and an announcement on a GNU mailing-list. What else did the GNU project and/or the FSF do for GNOME? One thing that it could do though, is update the screenshot of some ancient version of GNOME on the front page: http://www.gnu.org/ Where the stock GNOME logo used for the menu has been replaced by some sort of Celtic knot. I'd definitely want the GNOME Foundation Board to accept one of its sponsors using Linux I agree, but that is a different subject. We were talking about holding GUADEC in combination with a Linux Foundation event -- not about merely accepting sponsorship. Guess I wasn't clear enough for you, and I'll rephrase so it's clearer: I'd definitely want the GNOME Foundation Board to accept co-hosting an event with one of its sponsors that uses Linux and not GNU/Linux if it meant the durability of those GNOME conferences. They support Free Software as well. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Question for candidates
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] Care to expand on that? Miguel's history of the GNOME project doesn't make a lot of mention of GNU: Considering the history of Miguel, that is not surprising. He started a company supposedly to develop free software, then came out with proprietary products. Ultimately he more or less went to Microsoft. Namely, a discussion with you about his plans, the use of GNU licenses, and an announcement on a GNU mailing-list. What else did the GNU project and/or the FSF do for GNOME? You've got it the wrong way around. GNOME was started as a contribution to GNU -- that is what GNU packages are. The GNU Project consists of many software projects, one being GNOME. In general, each GNU package is developed separately -- but we urge GNU packages to support each other, so we urge developers of other packages to make them work with GNOME. One of the bad things that Miguel did in the first few years of GNOME development was not to pass these ideas on to the other people he brought into GNOME development. From that experience, I learned that I need to discuss these issues explicitly with the people responsible for GNU packages. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: About possible participation in Rest the Net campaign
I have now asked the board to take a decision in this matter. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Oliver Propst oliver.pro...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, its great to see the all the activities around the upcoming Board election, I hope we still are able to focus on day-today things. There is right now a campaign, Reset the Net [1] about remind people about government surveillance and the the importance of privacy on June 5 [2], one year after the NSA/Snowden revelations. Some participants include: Demand progress, Freepress.net, Free Software Foundation, Open Technology Institute, Reddit and Duck Duck Go. With our commitment to privacy and recently improved tools in this area (the new privacy setting panel and new privacy features in Web for exemple) [3] I think its makes sense for GNOME to participate. This would include: Display a banner on GNOME.org, 5 June with link to https://www.resetthenet.org/ Promote our participation on the campaign website Promote our our participation and our work in this area in our own channels (gnome.org och twitter). On the last Engagement Team Meeting [4] we agreed that this something interesting. What do you foundation members think? If there is no serious concerns I plan to ask the Board for approval. 1 https://www.resetthenet.org/ 2http://resetthenet.tumblr.com/?t=dXNlcmlkPTU0MzA3MDcxLGVtYWlsaWQ9NzU1MQ== 3 https://www.resetthenet.org/#add-yourself 4 https://etherpad.gnome.org/p/etm-2014-05-08 -- -mvh Oliver Propst ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
