Re: Minutes of the Board Meeting of February, 23th, 2016
I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed this. I started reading the link and got an intense feeling of deja vu! On 02/26/2016 04:46 PM, Debarshi Ray wrote: On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 04:48:18PM +0100, Andrea Veri wrote: * The item has been discussed during the meeting, details are available at https://mail.gnome.org/archives/foundation-announce/2016-February/msg3.html Very interesting. An email to a mailing list linking to itself in the archives! Maybe this has been done before, but this is the first time I noticed. I guess, since posts to the announcement list are controlled, it is possible to manually construct the would-be link. In that case, I applaud your effort. If you really have a time machine of some sort, then, well, I am speechless. Or am I hallucinating? Cheers, Rishi ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: OPW; Where does the 500$ for each GSoC goes?
On 09/16/2014 12:22 PM, Alexandre Franke wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Emmanuele Bassi eba...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 September 2014 16:09, Alexandre Franke alexandre.fra...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.gnome.org/foundation/reports/ is a bit outdated, but it exists. minor correction: it's not really outdated. the foundation publishes the reports for the previous fiscal year, as it's required by law. We're in September 2014. The latest financial report is for the period October 2010 – July 2011. I don't know when the fiscal year ends, but I guess we should at least see something for 2012, maybe even early 2013? So yes, this seems indeed *a bit* outdated. Note I already said a bit in my previous email, and I'm really not saying overly. :-) Page 12 in the 2013 annual report (http://www.gnome.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/GNOME-Annual-Report-2013.pdf) has financial information for 2010, 2011, 2012, and 2013. Is this not what you're looking for? ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Minutes of the Board meeting of March 25th, 2014
In regards to this issue: I hope the board, to stymie discontent demonstrate equity, will settle on an equal solution for both Diego and Sindhu, both outstanding members of our community. With that said I really don't care to argue, but since nobody else has called you out: nitpicks below inline. Zeeshan, I found your post to be very aggravating (even though you weren't speaking /to/ me) due to [what I interpreted as] your nitpicking condescending explanations (one might even use the term 'mansplaining'), nihilistic/keep-the-status-quo attitude. On 04/26/2014 11:10 AM, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) wrote: On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Sindhu S sind...@live.in wrote: On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 9:29 PM, Marina Zhurakhinskaya mari...@redhat.com wrote: This was done because Diego e-mailed the board with a special request and the majority of directors felt that it was reasonable to reimburse for visa expenses, when we will not be reimbursing for a larger amount we earlier approved that would be needed for the person to make the trip. I approached the board too. My visa expenses didn't exceed the sponsorship approved either. The email was sent to bo...@gnome.org and here's a screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/FivZRwB.png. Why didn't the rest of the board respond then? As you can see, this reimbursement was done by a separate vote as an exception to the current rule. I'm sorry an exception or a policy review were not considered when you were denied a visa. As you can see, the board also decided we should discuss amending the policy about reimbursement for rejected visas in the future. What is so special about Diego that his situation has provoked a policy change? Aren't you presuming that it was only because of Diego's case that board wants to rethink its policy and that your (and other people's) case wasn't part of the push to make them rethink? Logic™. Why was the reimbursement policies upheld in my case and relaxed in his? The current situation on GNOME's financials was very much made public and in between being low on cash, how is that board can make such an exception? If you follow those threads carefully, you'd realize that it was not the case of 'low on cash'. Yes quite obviously -- 'low on cash' is much shorter to type than a temporary lack of reserves due to processing the funds for the Outreach Program for Women (OPW) -- everyone knows what what Sindhu is referring to. https://wiki.gnome.org/FoundationBoard/CurrentBudgetFAQ If the board is going to make a policy change, then please bring it into working *first* and then entertain cases that occur after it not before. Otherwise it's just plain unfair. Since visa process is not in the hands of the board, I think any help that board offers is a big favour so IMO what is unfair here is for you to complain for not getting a favour while another person did. Sindhu does not harm anyone in pointing out the discrepancy between her treatment [re visa aid] and Diego's. To say that highlighting discrepancies is unfair serves to shame people for advocating for their own empowerment. I'm a bit sad to hear this from an ex-OPW participant as OPW is itself an unfair[1] advantage and you were one of the people to get that. If it makes you feel better, Diego will not get that favour. Are you implying that since Sindhu got paid $5k to work for 1 summer that she should be content with that, and that it is unfair and ungrateful of her to ask for more money (even if it is just to get equity with the aid others got)? Do you forget that you have the privilege to get funded by Red Hat to work on GNOME full time? (While most likely making 3x the payrate than what Sindhu received for her work.) [1] Don't get me wrong, being a big supporter of OPW, I understand the rationale for being unfair and in fact thats my point. It's not unfair, as if it's just a flip of a coin, and we just must live with the entropy of the universe. To say OPW is unfair is an insulting simplification of the the intersecting complexities involved. sarcasm oh what luck, Out of 181 applicants the GNOME project had for Google Summer of Code in 2006, none were women -- better not complain about it, or else that would be *unfair* /sarcasm http://opensource.com/life/13/4/increasing-foss-participation ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Valuable items for beginners
Perhaps there's some work in documentation that would fit into a 1-month period. CCing gnome-doc-list for this reason On 03/14/2014 01:41 PM, ChangSeok Oh wrote: Hi everyone. I’m looking for some interesting items for beginners to contribute to GNOME project. Long story short, I would get a chance to introduce GNOME project to sophomore class students in a university. If some of them are interested in GNOME, they will perform GNOME related tasks for 4 weeks. So I’m researching which part of GNOME need beginner's hands. Translation is the first thing poping up in my mind but I hope something more attractive, not too easy for them and which could be completed in 4 weeks. Any idea is welcome. ChangSeok ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Proposal: DNS change irc.gnome.org becomes A record and irc.gimpnet.org starts getting phased out.
True, it's good to be forward-thinking; still, radical love is more needed than radical hate. I don't think you're advocating outright bigotry, but you're advocating what the status quo is -- non-radical -- that is, the unchecked allowance for privileged groups to espouse their views regardless of the impact on others. On 05/11/2013 04:44 AM, Tristan Van Berkom wrote: On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 5:47 AM, Michael Hill mdhil...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Tristan Van Berkom t...@gnome.org wrote: People have common sense, they know that since we are at the zoo, there actually are monkeys to go see. Tristan, your analogy should have been based on a word whose legitimate use did *not* precede its use as an epithet. If the original authors of the software knew the meaning of the word and chose it anyway, who am I to excuse the name as anything better than an unfortunate choice? I agree with you about not getting carried away. However, in light of the fact that the target group of the slur is one of the target groups for GNOME, your defense seems misplaced. Alright, I suppose I can afford to write one last email. Many may look at my arguments and think that I am somehow promoting bigotry (although I doubt that most of you do see it this way)... this seems to always be the case whenever someone stands up for freedom of expression. So let me explain just a little, I did not jump into this debate to defend the term GIMPNet itself, but rather in an attempt to defend our position regarding freedom of expression, a defence which is always risky and racy, and an argument that is too seldom made. What the people who make up the GNOME community have in common is a beautiful thing, Free Software. Whether we do it for the freedom of users, or whether it be for the sake of writing software in public, sharing knowledge and consequently producing better, more stable/reliable software than software written in the confines of a lab/company, we are in this way forward/radical thinkers. What I'm getting at here, is that the very thing which brings us all together is an idea which goes against the grain. In a way, we are all revolutionaries of sorts to be partaking in this venture. Over the past decade, I've seen this community grow more stiff, more rigid and more conservative in what we deem 'acceptable' in public. This saddens me greatly. It is very difficult to express radical thinking, forward thinking in ways which are perfectly politically correct (possible, but difficult), and what I think is so beautiful about our community is exactly this forward radical thinking, this rebellious ideal of Free Software which brings us all together is what makes our community so vibrant and great. I just think that, in general, if we want our community to flourish and grow and thrive, we need to be more accepting, not more restrictive, about what we think is acceptable in public. Imagine how many radical/racy/forward thinking blog posts we've missed out on, just because the author thought it might be too difficult to express their ideas in a way that is perfectly politically correct ? Best Regards, -Tristan ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Proposal: DNS change irc.gnome.org becomes A record and irc.gimpnet.org starts getting phased out.
On 05/10/2013 12:27 PM, Tristan Van Berkom wrote: On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 12:24 AM, Sumana Harihareswara suma...@panix.com wrote: On 05/10/2013 10:17 AM, Rui Tiago Cação Matos wrote: Seriously, can everyone relax and not take every little detail so seriously? I'm all for advertising irc.gnome.org in our websites etc. But there's really no need to take down DNS entries and whatnot. It's sort of odd for a member of a software organization to advocate being less serious about details. We have a bug tracker because details matter. Asking others to relax implies that other people are working too hard or caring too much about an issue, as though it is unimportant. Different issues are important to different people and it's a bit annoying to be told to relax about what matters to you. On 10 May 2013 15:55, meg ford meg...@gmail.com wrote: I'm saying that it's an I18n issue. I recently read that the GNOME foot is insulting in Thailand so we are trying not to use it there. And this why you can't ever win. There will always be something that's offensive for someone in this planet so yeah just don't bother too much. If by win you mean get a special permanent I AM NOT OFFENSIVE designation from the United Nations, no, you can't win. However, as a person deciding where to spend my time and what organizations to take seriously, I will say that organizations that make some efforts to act sensitively win my time and attention. See here is a very interesting conflict. Some of us think that we should be very careful about what words we choose to represent GNOME, to the point of even renaming things in GNOME because someone might be offended. It's not just because there might exist one who is offended, it's about not being improper. Like it or not, the decisions we make at this scope has an undertone, what is appropriate for an IRC network name, eventually becomes what is appropriate for a program name, or even a program's release name, and eventually what is appropriate to write in emails on our mailing lists and what is appropriate to post in our blogs. Already there is a spectrum of what is and is not appropriate. It's not appropriate, for example, to name projects in ways that allude to abortion, the holocaust, slavery etc. GNOME is a Free Software community, and should stick to that. One the one hand, you have the theory that being very careful is an attitude which makes GNOME appear more welcoming, and on the other hand, being very careful is exactly the opposite. It makes GNOME more welcoming to some people, while simultaneously asking more of others. Would you like to join a community where everything you say is under strict scrutiny ? where you cannot freely express yourself in your blog without being really careful to make all of your comments gender neutral and politically correct ? This is the Internet. Everything you say is public and subject to strict scrutiny. Again there is a spectrum of what is and is not appropriate. The topic at hand is really getting at where to delineate this spectrum -- who gets to say what is appropriate, and whose sensibilities are taken into account. Or would you rather be a part of a community where people are a bit more relaxed and laid back, where you can just be yourself, express yourself freely, assume that people mean well and not be afraid that you will be accused for expressing yourself in a way that might be misconstrued ? If I was a casual racist, sexist, ableist, etc. it would probably be easiest to fit in a community that did not recognize such things as problematic. Should GNOME be yet another space for these people to fit in without being questioned, or should GNOME push its community to become better? If one were to say that irc.gimp.net refers to 'gimp' and is intentionally rude, that would definitely count as misconstrued, do we really want to set an example to gnome contributors that anything they say in our public infrastructure might be frowned upon, just because it could be taken out of context in some way ? It's not taken out of context, it's just inappropriate. Replace 'gimp' with a racial slur, and it may be easier to understand. We want to set an example that GNOME strives to be socially conscious and inclusive of all walks of life. Personally I am (obviously) of the camp which would rather have a relaxed and laid back attitude. relaxed seems to me to mean unchallenged. If the wrong aren't challenged, this is a problem. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
