Re: How to open Gnome Malaysia Usergroup
I didn't realize I was writing to all of you. Here's the same message in English. People in Malaysia already think that Free Software are free no need to pay anything and if need support it also free cause the software are free and no need to paid extra and no need to give any special treatment. The way to correct this is by teaching people free software berarti bebas, bukannya tanpa harga. (Free software means free as in freedom, not gratis.) This has to be spoken frequently. This happen several past years when other OSS community fight between FOSS community and FLOSS community and the result war hate each others and make our people afraid,hate, fear, crap How strange. FOSS is free and open source software. This is a way of supporting both free software and open source. FLOSS is another way to do the same thing. How strange to have a fight between the supporters of FLOSS and FOSS and OSS. We of the free software movement don't want to fight with the people who support open source. They are not our enemy. Our enemy is software that colonizes the users. We say that the philosophy of open source is not evil, just weak. We would use GNOME usergroup for Free Software term dont worry about that we will put our banner or bunting and design that GNOME was free software not using OSS/FOSS/FLOSS term. We will slowly adopt it to our culture about FREEDOM word to our community. That is very good -- thanks. User's freedom needs your help along with our help. -- Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org, www.gnu.org ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: How to open Gnome Malaysia Usergroup
Thanks RMS for good info about this. I will forward to our community what are we discuss in this long email. I`m sorry to others if this mail are disturb you all. On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Richard Stallman r...@gnu.org wrote: People in Malaysia already think that Free Software are free no need to pay anything and if need support it also free cause the software are free and no need to paid extra and no need to give any special treatment. The way to correct this is by teaching people free software berarti bebas, bukannya tanpa harga. Harus ulang diucap banyak kali. That now we are doing now. We do road tour to all University and any private events to tell them that OSS/FOSS/FLOSS are Freedom. This happen several past years when other OSS community fight between FOSS community and FLOSS community and the result war hate each others and make our people afraid,hate, fear, crap Aneh sekali. FOSS ialah free and open source software. Ini sesuatu cara untuk mendukung keduanya, software bebas dan sumber terbuka. FLOSS cara yang lain untuk itu. Aneh sekali ada pertempuran di antara FOSS dan OSS atau FLOSS. Yep. We know in not good for us if the community keep having war but now community are on sleep mode. I need to poke them all and create hype to wake of all them. Kami dari gerakan software bebas tidak mau tempur dengan pendukung sumber terbuka. Mereka bukan musuh kami. Musuh kamilah software penjajah. Kami berkata, falsafat sumber terbuka tidak jahat, melainkan lemah saja. We would use GNOME usergroup for Free Software term dont worry about that we will put our banner or bunting and design that GNOME was free software not using OSS/FOSS/FLOSS term. We will slowly adopt it to our culture about FREEDOM word to our community. Baik sekali, terima kasih. Kebebasan pengguna perlu bantuan anda dengan bantuan kami. Yes, we need GNOME, GNU, FSF or other related organisation to help us to build good communication and keep the relationship. Although your word some of it sound like indonesian :). Thank to you all -- Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org, www.gnu.org Regards, Mohd Fazli Azran Secretariat OSDCMY ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: How to open Gnome Malaysia Usergroup
Thanks for the great advice Frederic. We need guide from others experience people how to manage very good usergroup. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Frederic Muller fr...@gnome.org wrote: On 01/26/2011 11:02 AM, Mohd Fazli Azran wrote: [...] Yep. We know in not good for us if the community keep having war but now community are on sleep mode. I need to poke them all and create hype to wake of all them. [...] Yes, we need GNOME, GNU, FSF or other related organisation to help us to build good communication and keep the relationship. Although your word some of it sound like indonesian :). Thank to you all Dear Mohd (hope that's the right way to address you), I'm just reacting to those 2 statements of yours within the context of that long exchange we've had. I have been running and involved in user groups for quite some time and here is what I can offer as an advice: 1. you need to inspire your community, not create hype Yes, Agree with you!! 2. getting businesses seems to be a major focus of yours, however businesses compete, they do not collaborate well in general. Inspired people on the contrary share ideology and do things beyond money and companies interests, because they believe it's the right thing to do and they have fun doing it. This is why it's called a user group, and not a business group. Yes i agree with the statement for others. But not in Malaysia. People are here are more talk rather then do it something. In Malaysia people will not do for free and need something in return. We see many community die because of this. In this term we need backup by money or any business community for community survival. Without them our community like desert without human life. 3. you do not need GNOME, GNU, FSF: you can chose to be part of those communities and do what you believe should be done. A community is a flat organization where everyone is at the same level. We all do what we can at our level, and I would recommend you to do the same. This is the best way to strengthen the GNOME community. At this stage I wonder what else you need? We here just need support like any GNOME can give us something like freebies or any material that we can give away to our community like we did same like openSUSE, Fedora, FreeBSD, Ubuntu, Joomla Drupal. It like part of marketing strategy. 4. Getting involved in building a user group is easy (almost), you already have all the needed pointers: now you should lay out a plan and act upon it. From my experience a user group tends to cost time and money to its organizers, which seems to be what you lack of. Yeah we lack of leadership and on more important is lack of people that wanna to contribute. In Malaysia our culture more on big talk rather the implementation. We have this problem at many others community to. Doing for free or Doing for money. This will always delusion for who want to start up any project community in Malaysia. 5. Having so many FOSS projects under one umbrella might not be the best way to attract volunteers and contributors: I would personally doubt about the focus of such an organization and be afraid to come to learn about GNOME and be told about ...Drupal. We try that for many long time ago and we fail. In Malaysia the situation it not suitable for this. We are small country and we need to be together as one not to separate community. You can see many other OSS/FOSS/FLOSS community that we involve now like grave yard project from Malaysia especially. 6. What I've learned in my years as a contributor in the Free Software communities: when you want something to happen you need to start yourself and show the way, rather than expect people to do the work for you. People will usually have a different perspective and other opinions on how to execute. As a community leader your role is often to start and help combine all those energies towards a good direction for the project (not necessarily what you initially envisioned). Yes we put in my mind that everything we want to do something we need start 1st and doing something 1st. They lack of us in Malaysia now day are How to maintain it?. In this phase we lack of. Many people in Malaysia do for reason like hobby, interest, personal agenda, some maybe business purpose or create profit. Those who intend to do because of hobby, interest, personal agenda die 1st before reach the goal. Actually why this happen cause our education here not strength on community and Why we need sharing, involve contribute. The culture in Malaysia not yet that standards. We have many experience when we want do something related to community and we fall again again and many project never finish and just hang in out there. Now we dont want it like that. We now on phase to create more professional community rather just because of hobby. It would benefit everybody about what we want to do now. Those comments are really based on what I have learned and I hope
Re: How to open Gnome Malaysia Usergroup
On 01/26/2011 11:02 AM, Mohd Fazli Azran wrote: [...] Yep. We know in not good for us if the community keep having war but now community are on sleep mode. I need to poke them all and create hype to wake of all them. [...] Yes, we need GNOME, GNU, FSF or other related organisation to help us to build good communication and keep the relationship. Although your word some of it sound like indonesian :). Thank to you all Dear Mohd (hope that's the right way to address you), I'm just reacting to those 2 statements of yours within the context of that long exchange we've had. I have been running and involved in user groups for quite some time and here is what I can offer as an advice: 1. you need to inspire your community, not create hype 2. getting businesses seems to be a major focus of yours, however businesses compete, they do not collaborate well in general. Inspired people on the contrary share ideology and do things beyond money and companies interests, because they believe it's the right thing to do and they have fun doing it. This is why it's called a user group, and not a business group. 3. you do not need GNOME, GNU, FSF: you can chose to be part of those communities and do what you believe should be done. A community is a flat organization where everyone is at the same level. We all do what we can at our level, and I would recommend you to do the same. This is the best way to strengthen the GNOME community. At this stage I wonder what else you need? 4. Getting involved in building a user group is easy (almost), you already have all the needed pointers: now you should lay out a plan and act upon it. From my experience a user group tends to cost time and money to its organizers, which seems to be what you lack of. 5. Having so many FOSS projects under one umbrella might not be the best way to attract volunteers and contributors: I would personally doubt about the focus of such an organization and be afraid to come to learn about GNOME and be told about ...Drupal. 6. What I've learned in my years as a contributor in the Free Software communities: when you want something to happen you need to start yourself and show the way, rather than expect people to do the work for you. People will usually have a different perspective and other opinions on how to execute. As a community leader your role is often to start and help combine all those energies towards a good direction for the project (not necessarily what you initially envisioned). Those comments are really based on what I have learned and I hope they will benefit you and help you to get started. I have participated, lead and contributed to my local GNU/Linux User Group for years and I'd say it has been a wonderful experience. I've met great people, had fun and did stuff that I felt mattered. I hope you can experience the same as I did, or even more! Good luck and let us know when you're planning on your first meeting! Kind regards, Fred ps: also do subscribe to the gugmasters-list@ which is where GNOME User Group issues are being discussed. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: How to open Gnome Malaysia Usergroup
People in Malaysia already think that Free Software are free no need to pay anything and if need support it also free cause the software are free and no need to paid extra and no need to give any special treatment. The way to correct this is by teaching people free software berarti bebas, bukannya tanpa harga. Harus ulang diucap banyak kali. This happen several past years when other OSS community fight between FOSS community and FLOSS community and the result war hate each others and make our people afraid,hate, fear, crap Aneh sekali. FOSS ialah free and open source software. Ini sesuatu cara untuk mendukung keduanya, software bebas dan sumber terbuka. FLOSS cara yang lain untuk itu. Aneh sekali ada pertempuran di antara FOSS dan OSS atau FLOSS. Kami dari gerakan software bebas tidak mau tempur dengan pendukung sumber terbuka. Mereka bukan musuh kami. Musuh kamilah software penjajah. Kami berkata, falsafat sumber terbuka tidak jahat, melainkan lemah saja. We would use GNOME usergroup for Free Software term dont worry about that we will put our banner or bunting and design that GNOME was free software not using OSS/FOSS/FLOSS term. We will slowly adopt it to our culture about FREEDOM word to our community. Baik sekali, terima kasih. Kebebasan pengguna perlu bantuan anda dengan bantuan kami. -- Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org, www.gnu.org ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: How to open Gnome Malaysia Usergroup
Hi all, Thank for replying my email. Sorry for my late reply. I just got accident by motorcycle. Now i can use my right hand to type email cause my other hand injured i now on MC for one week. Thank for the information that you all give you give to me. I`m aware that gnome already have MS translation group but not aware that Malaysia already have Gnome user because i confuse with usergroup and sub usergroup. But i will check the FAQ. I will read the guideline, code of conduct and HOWTO about usergroups. http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-my-list --It this was Malaysia Usergroups or sub usergroup because i dont see it usergroup list. About the party launching we might be happy to make it also since we already make launch party Drupal and now to plan make for openSUSE party. FYI many OSS/FLOSS/FOSS community in Malaysia now in slow mode xtvt cause many people now have the own personnel commitment, busy with carrier, family and not have interest to active back. OSDCMY launch at 2009 by our former Malaysia Prime Minister to make our community live again. We now collaboration with all the community and united under one umbrella so we can move forward as one entity and represent them as one since many community have internal problem like money, people and management. So we use OSDCMY to be pilot project as our for OSS/FOSS/FLOSS community in Malaysia. You can visit all OSS/FOSS,FLOSS mailing list like fedora-my, ubuntu-my, opensuse-my, joomla-my, drupal-my, kde-my, firefox-my, foss-my and others. Hi RMS, Thank for remind me again about Free Software. When you want to come back to Malaysia after your last attend at FOSS.MY. If your have free time we would like to invite you to come to our MOSC2011 as our speakers :). We aware about term OSS, FOSS FLOSS. We now here because we want make people interest about Open Source Software neither it a free or free license. We make may awareness program about OSS because we want Malaysia people like and love to coding and programming. OSDCMY agenda is to produce and create programmer, coder developer. Before we can reach this agenda we need 1st to make people interest and have intension about OSS project. That why we make OSS Day and road tour at our public university and give them information and awareness about OSS use our own pocket money, time and energy to make it happen. It need a lot of commitment from us to make it happen sometime some of our member feel like waste their time to promote OSS in Malaysia and many of them withdraw from OSDCMY but we have other people not yet lose out the faith and we continue what we done so far with people that still have spirit. So far we got small sponsor from Redhat Malaysia, Novell Malaysia and others small company that donor to our project. We also ask IBM Malaysia, Oracle Malaysia and other Hardware company and MNC but we can see they not have interest to help us or support us. For them business is important not community or for FREE. The best part M$ are also donor to us if we have any events that we manage and their said M$ want help OSDCMY if others dont want to help. They dont want to know what the money goes or ask back their just donor. Went we give the report to our top government agency like MAMPU http://www.mampu.gov.my MDEChttp://www.mscmalaysia.mybecause their was higher agency government that in-charge about ICT movement in Malaysia they also surprise what the hell M$ doing in OSS community and why they just donor some money but others ICT company not interest to help out, Where the hell (Oracle, IBM,HP,Dell etc) in OSS community why they not give support and donor to local community that make OSS program that why i put remark *?* * * You know that without money involvement we cant go anywhere and we will stuck forever with this level. For make others business community have interest and get them involve we must make as many events and program about OSS and make track record that we are serious and we are also professional interm organize and manage OSS community. Hope RMS understand a short story about OSS/FOSS/FLOSS community in Malaysia. On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 4:15 AM, Richard Stallman r...@gnu.org wrote: See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point.html for more explanation of the difference between free software and open source. -- Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org, www.gnu.org Regards, Mohd Fazli Azran Secretariat OSDCMY ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: How to open Gnome Malaysia Usergroup
Thank for remind me again about Free Software. When you want to come back to Malaysia after your last attend at FOSS.MY. If your have free time we would like to invite you to come to our MOSC2011 as our speakers :). Thank you, but given that the name of that event says open source, my participation would give people the wrong idea. I give my support to events that fly the banner of free software, perangkat lunak bebas, ziyou ruanjian. Likewise, a GNOME User Group should advocate free software, not open source. I understand that you'd like to get business to contribute money for activities, and that's fine if you can do it, but _aiming_ for that does tend to alter the message. Our message is, You deserve freedom, and it should not be replaced with Do what business will support. -- Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org, www.gnu.org ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: How to open Gnome Malaysia Usergroup
Le mercredi 19 janvier 2011 à 20:28 +0800, Mohd Fazli Azran a écrit : Dear sir, I`m representative form Open Source Developer Club Malaysia (OSDCMY). We are the local community in Malaysia that promote and market OSS to Malaysia people. We now to ready to lead the OSS community in Malaysia s now we start many project for OSS any link with may OSS community in Malaysia like Ubuntu, Fedora, openSUSE, FreeBSD, Joomla, Drupal and etc. But in Malaysia i can see we not have any GNOME community. So think we better start one and we can start 1st translation project. Hi, For your information, there is a Malay translation team already: http://l10n.gnome.org/teams/ms Claude OSDC.My already manage the biggest open source conference almost 2 years already we call it Malaysia Open Source Conference (MOSC). We now are prepare to do our 3rd MOSC2011 for this years. Yeah need a lot of work to do now. But at least we can make people interest about OSS and perhaps we can be one of the contributor to the OSS community around the world. If we not start now others will not start. I`m also involve other OSS ambassador like Fedora, openSUSE PCBSD and OWASP. Hope GNOME ca help us how to start GNOME Malaysia. Thanks Regards, Mohd Fazli Azran Secretariat OSDCMY ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: How to open Gnome Malaysia Usergroup
I am ccing: gugmasters-l...@gnome.org which is a list for GNOME User Groups organizers worldwide. They will have some useful experience of how to build GNOME Users Group. We can discuss more in this mail list. Cheers, -Emily 2011/1/20 Brian Cameron brian.came...@oracle.com Also, look here: http://live.gnome.org/UserGroups There is even a FAQ. Brian On 01/19/11 10:18 PM, Frederic Muller wrote: Dear Mohd Fazli Azran, I think you already have a lot of good suggestions and pointers to start your new project. I'll recommend an excellent howto on running GNU/Linux User Groups which can be applied to GNOME User Groups right here: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/User-Group-HOWTO.html You have about 15+ years of people experience in one single document about what and what not to do to make your group successful. you just need to apply some of the topics to be GNOME specific but overall a great start for your group. See you soon either online or live! Fred On 01/20/2011 11:25 AM, Pockey Lam wrote: Dear Mohd, It's nice to see you so passionate about FOSS and GNOME! You can find a lot of useful information about how to start and run a local GNOME community at http://live.gnome.org/UserGroups As Brian mentioned, gugmasters and GNOME.Asia groups [1] are the right places for you to contact. As a core member of GNOME.Asia [2] , our aim is to grow the GNOME community in Asia. We have members from China, Hong Kong, Taiwan, India, Vietnam, Singapore, Philippines, Indonesia, etc. it would be nice if we can have representatives from Malyasia as well! We have been also helping local communities to start and grow their GNOME communities, we can definitely put you in touch with other Asian Gugs (GNOME User Groups), please do subscribe to the two mailing lists [1] and we can talk more over there! [1] http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-asia-list [1] http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gugmasters-list [2] http://live.gnome.org/GnomeAsia [2] http://gnome.asia One more thing! As the next major release, GNOME 3.0 is coming in early April, we highly encourage local communities to celebrate this big release, more information can be found at http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointZero/LaunchParty. By hosting activities, it can definitely help to boost GNOME awareness and users locally as well. There are indeed too much information to give regarding this topic and we are all excited to see you joining us! Cheers, Pockey On 01/20/2011 04:14 AM, Brian Cameron wrote: Mohd: Thank you for expressing an interest in setting up a GNOME Users Group. Note that The GNOME Foundation has official User's Groups sign the Trademark Agreement for Users Groups which you can find here: http://live.gnome.org/Trademark So, the first step would be to send bo...@gnome.org a signed copy of the form if you find it agreeable. Also the gugmasters mailing list is for people interested in GNOME User's Groups, so it would be a good forum to join and discuss further. Information about the list, including subscription information, is here: http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gugmasters-list http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gugmasters-list/ There is also a mailing list for GNOME users in Malaysia: http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-my-list Also, you might find the asia-summit-list to be a useful resource for general Asian GNOME topics: http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/asia-summit-list Brian I`m representative form Open Source Developer Club Malaysia (OSDCMY). We are the local community in Malaysia that promote and market OSS to Malaysia people. We now to ready to lead the OSS community in Malaysia s now we start many project for OSS any link with may OSS community in Malaysia like Ubuntu, Fedora, openSUSE, FreeBSD, Joomla, Drupal and etc. But in Malaysia i can see we not have any GNOME community. So think we better start one and we can start 1st translation project. OSDC.My already manage the biggest open source conference almost 2 years already we call it Malaysia Open Source Conference (MOSC http://conf.oss.my ). We now are prepare to do our 3rd MOSC2011 for this years. Yeah need a lot of work to do now. But at least we can make people interest about OSS and perhaps we can be one of the contributor to the OSS community around the world. If we not start now others will not start. I`m also involve other OSS ambassador like Fedora, openSUSE PCBSD and OWASP. Hope GNOME ca help us how to start GNOME Malaysia. Thanks ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list -- http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/board-list From time to time confidential and
Re: How to open Gnome Malaysia Usergroup
Mohd: On 01/19/11 06:28 AM, Mohd Fazli Azran wrote: Dear sir, I`m representative form Open Source Developer Club Malaysia (OSDCMY). We are the local community in Malaysia that promote and market OSS to Malaysia people. We now to ready to lead the OSS community in Malaysia s now we start many project for OSS any link with may OSS community in Malaysia like Ubuntu, Fedora, openSUSE, FreeBSD, Joomla, Drupal and etc. Note that GNOME is a Free Software project. There are some open source groups that do have a GNOME Users Group subgroup. According to the GNOME Users Group guidelines: http://live.gnome.org/UserGroups/Guidelines It is expected that GNOME Users Groups do make an effort to promote and foster both GNOME and free software. There is also a Code of Conduct and Speaker Guidelines that apply to GNOME Users Groups members when they are representing GNOME or at GNOME related functions. There are other details you should review in the Guidelines to fully understand. Just so you understand what a GNOME Users Group means. Brian ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: How to open Gnome Malaysia Usergroup
Mohd: Thank you for expressing an interest in setting up a GNOME Users Group. Note that The GNOME Foundation has official User's Groups sign the Trademark Agreement for Users Groups which you can find here: http://live.gnome.org/Trademark So, the first step would be to send bo...@gnome.org a signed copy of the form if you find it agreeable. Also the gugmasters mailing list is for people interested in GNOME User's Groups, so it would be a good forum to join and discuss further. Information about the list, including subscription information, is here: http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gugmasters-list http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gugmasters-list/ There is also a mailing list for GNOME users in Malaysia: http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-my-list Also, you might find the asia-summit-list to be a useful resource for general Asian GNOME topics: http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/asia-summit-list Brian I`m representative form Open Source Developer Club Malaysia (OSDCMY). We are the local community in Malaysia that promote and market OSS to Malaysia people. We now to ready to lead the OSS community in Malaysia s now we start many project for OSS any link with may OSS community in Malaysia like Ubuntu, Fedora, openSUSE, FreeBSD, Joomla, Drupal and etc. But in Malaysia i can see we not have any GNOME community. So think we better start one and we can start 1st translation project. OSDC.My already manage the biggest open source conference almost 2 years already we call it Malaysia Open Source Conference (MOSC http://conf.oss.my). We now are prepare to do our 3rd MOSC2011 for this years. Yeah need a lot of work to do now. But at least we can make people interest about OSS and perhaps we can be one of the contributor to the OSS community around the world. If we not start now others will not start. I`m also involve other OSS ambassador like Fedora, openSUSE PCBSD and OWASP. Hope GNOME ca help us how to start GNOME Malaysia. Thanks ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: How to open Gnome Malaysia Usergroup
Dear Mohd, It's nice to see you so passionate about FOSS and GNOME! You can find a lot of useful information about how to start and run a local GNOME community at http://live.gnome.org/UserGroups As Brian mentioned, gugmasters and GNOME.Asia groups [1] are the right places for you to contact. As a core member of GNOME.Asia [2] , our aim is to grow the GNOME community in Asia. We have members from China, Hong Kong, Taiwan, India, Vietnam, Singapore, Philippines, Indonesia, etc. it would be nice if we can have representatives from Malyasia as well! We have been also helping local communities to start and grow their GNOME communities, we can definitely put you in touch with other Asian Gugs (GNOME User Groups), please do subscribe to the two mailing lists [1] and we can talk more over there! [1] http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-asia-list [1] http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gugmasters-list [2] http://live.gnome.org/GnomeAsia [2] http://gnome.asia One more thing! As the next major release, GNOME 3.0 is coming in early April, we highly encourage local communities to celebrate this big release, more information can be found at http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointZero/LaunchParty. By hosting activities, it can definitely help to boost GNOME awareness and users locally as well. There are indeed too much information to give regarding this topic and we are all excited to see you joining us! Cheers, Pockey On 01/20/2011 04:14 AM, Brian Cameron wrote: Mohd: Thank you for expressing an interest in setting up a GNOME Users Group. Note that The GNOME Foundation has official User's Groups sign the Trademark Agreement for Users Groups which you can find here: http://live.gnome.org/Trademark So, the first step would be to send bo...@gnome.org a signed copy of the form if you find it agreeable. Also the gugmasters mailing list is for people interested in GNOME User's Groups, so it would be a good forum to join and discuss further. Information about the list, including subscription information, is here: http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gugmasters-list http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gugmasters-list/ There is also a mailing list for GNOME users in Malaysia: http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-my-list Also, you might find the asia-summit-list to be a useful resource for general Asian GNOME topics: http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/asia-summit-list Brian I`m representative form Open Source Developer Club Malaysia (OSDCMY). We are the local community in Malaysia that promote and market OSS to Malaysia people. We now to ready to lead the OSS community in Malaysia s now we start many project for OSS any link with may OSS community in Malaysia like Ubuntu, Fedora, openSUSE, FreeBSD, Joomla, Drupal and etc. But in Malaysia i can see we not have any GNOME community. So think we better start one and we can start 1st translation project. OSDC.My already manage the biggest open source conference almost 2 years already we call it Malaysia Open Source Conference (MOSC http://conf.oss.my). We now are prepare to do our 3rd MOSC2011 for this years. Yeah need a lot of work to do now. But at least we can make people interest about OSS and perhaps we can be one of the contributor to the OSS community around the world. If we not start now others will not start. I`m also involve other OSS ambassador like Fedora, openSUSE PCBSD and OWASP. Hope GNOME ca help us how to start GNOME Malaysia. Thanks ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: How to open Gnome Malaysia Usergroup
Dear Mohd Fazli Azran, I think you already have a lot of good suggestions and pointers to start your new project. I'll recommend an excellent howto on running GNU/Linux User Groups which can be applied to GNOME User Groups right here: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/User-Group-HOWTO.html You have about 15+ years of people experience in one single document about what and what not to do to make your group successful. you just need to apply some of the topics to be GNOME specific but overall a great start for your group. See you soon either online or live! Fred On 01/20/2011 11:25 AM, Pockey Lam wrote: Dear Mohd, It's nice to see you so passionate about FOSS and GNOME! You can find a lot of useful information about how to start and run a local GNOME community at http://live.gnome.org/UserGroups As Brian mentioned, gugmasters and GNOME.Asia groups [1] are the right places for you to contact. As a core member of GNOME.Asia [2] , our aim is to grow the GNOME community in Asia. We have members from China, Hong Kong, Taiwan, India, Vietnam, Singapore, Philippines, Indonesia, etc. it would be nice if we can have representatives from Malyasia as well! We have been also helping local communities to start and grow their GNOME communities, we can definitely put you in touch with other Asian Gugs (GNOME User Groups), please do subscribe to the two mailing lists [1] and we can talk more over there! [1] http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-asia-list [1] http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gugmasters-list [2] http://live.gnome.org/GnomeAsia [2] http://gnome.asia One more thing! As the next major release, GNOME 3.0 is coming in early April, we highly encourage local communities to celebrate this big release, more information can be found at http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointZero/LaunchParty. By hosting activities, it can definitely help to boost GNOME awareness and users locally as well. There are indeed too much information to give regarding this topic and we are all excited to see you joining us! Cheers, Pockey On 01/20/2011 04:14 AM, Brian Cameron wrote: Mohd: Thank you for expressing an interest in setting up a GNOME Users Group. Note that The GNOME Foundation has official User's Groups sign the Trademark Agreement for Users Groups which you can find here: http://live.gnome.org/Trademark So, the first step would be to send bo...@gnome.org a signed copy of the form if you find it agreeable. Also the gugmasters mailing list is for people interested in GNOME User's Groups, so it would be a good forum to join and discuss further. Information about the list, including subscription information, is here: http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gugmasters-list http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gugmasters-list/ There is also a mailing list for GNOME users in Malaysia: http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-my-list Also, you might find the asia-summit-list to be a useful resource for general Asian GNOME topics: http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/asia-summit-list Brian I`m representative form Open Source Developer Club Malaysia (OSDCMY). We are the local community in Malaysia that promote and market OSS to Malaysia people. We now to ready to lead the OSS community in Malaysia s now we start many project for OSS any link with may OSS community in Malaysia like Ubuntu, Fedora, openSUSE, FreeBSD, Joomla, Drupal and etc. But in Malaysia i can see we not have any GNOME community. So think we better start one and we can start 1st translation project. OSDC.My already manage the biggest open source conference almost 2 years already we call it Malaysia Open Source Conference (MOSC http://conf.oss.my). We now are prepare to do our 3rd MOSC2011 for this years. Yeah need a lot of work to do now. But at least we can make people interest about OSS and perhaps we can be one of the contributor to the OSS community around the world. If we not start now others will not start. I`m also involve other OSS ambassador like Fedora, openSUSE PCBSD and OWASP. Hope GNOME ca help us how to start GNOME Malaysia. Thanks ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
