Re: [fpc-pascal] Proposal for new Free Pascal logo
On 2018-04-02 14:05, Mr Bee via fpc-pascal wrote: > Perhaps I should make the whiskers a bit less visible? Thinner perhaps? Exactly what I suggested. Overall, your logo 2nd logo looks "less" kitten like than the first one. So it is heading in the right direction. I think almost invisible whiskers is what you should be aiming for. I think that will help. Regards, Graeme -- fpGUI Toolkit - a cross-platform GUI toolkit using Free Pascal http://fpgui.sourceforge.net/ My public PGP key: http://tinyurl.com/graeme-pgp ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Proposal for new Free Pascal logo
Mark Morgan Lloyd schrieb am Mo., 2. Apr. 2018, 15:13: > On 02/04/18 09:45, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: > > > remove the whiskers. > > As an exercise I have done the job for you. See here: > > http://www.freepascal.org/~michael/pascal_logo2.png > > It's of course better to improve the original, I am not an artist.(I > > even would get rid of more elements, but let's start with this) > > If we're talking branding anyway (a subject I loathe), then a logo > > should represent the company/product group, whatever. > > So, the FPC logo should exhale maturity, strength, prowess, > > self-confidence. > > Hardly things one associates with a kitten. > > FPC is an open-source project dating back to the days the word "open > > source" did not exist. So maturity is important. > > Using marketing/branding talk:Given that I think your version looks like > > a kitten, you will understand that for the reasons explained above, I > > would not want to be "associated" with the logo as you proposed it now. > > More to the point, why is a Cheetah logo being discussed in the context > of Free Pascal? > Because the cheetah *is* FPC's logo. Why do you think we have that animated cheetah on the FPC parts of the site, but not the Lazarus ones? Regards, Sven > ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Proposal for new Free Pascal logo
On 02/04/18 09:45, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: remove the whiskers. As an exercise I have done the job for you. See here: http://www.freepascal.org/~michael/pascal_logo2.png It's of course better to improve the original, I am not an artist.(I even would get rid of more elements, but let's start with this) If we're talking branding anyway (a subject I loathe), then a logo should represent the company/product group, whatever. So, the FPC logo should exhale maturity, strength, prowess, self-confidence. Hardly things one associates with a kitten. FPC is an open-source project dating back to the days the word "open source" did not exist. So maturity is important. Using marketing/branding talk:Given that I think your version looks like a kitten, you will understand that for the reasons explained above, I would not want to be "associated" with the logo as you proposed it now. More to the point, why is a Cheetah logo being discussed in the context of Free Pascal? If FPC is to have a logo it should be distinct from Lazarus since it's a separate project, although ideally they'd be complementary: an expanse of bushveldt with a couple of trees or similar (but please, no prey animals). There's also the important question of whether an image selected as a logo can be scaled down to be used as an icon. -- Mark Morgan Lloyd markMLl .AT. telemetry.co .DOT. uk [Opinions above are the author's, not those of his employers or colleagues] ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Proposal for new Free Pascal logo
2018-04-02 16:36 GMT+07:00 Michael Van Canneyt : > Please look at the lazarus logo/icon. It has no whiskers. > I opened lazarus.freepascal.org and I found it's using a paw as its logo. Did I miss something? Sorry… I haven't been following Lazarus news for quite a while, so I don't know the current logo. > It looks much more like a cheetah, not like a kitten. > So you can do something about it: remove the whiskers. > But cheetah do have whiskers. Other people complained the old logo weren't really look like a cheetah's face. > As an exercise I have done the job for you. See here: > http://www.freepascal.org/~michael/pascal_logo2.png > Perhaps I should make the whiskers a bit less visible? Thinner perhaps? > It's of course better to improve the original, I am not an artist. > (I even would get rid of more elements, but let's start with this) > I'm not a professional artist either, but I love art and I do drawings for a hobby. > If we're talking branding anyway (a subject I loathe), then a logo should > represent the company/product group, whatever. > So, the FPC logo should exhale maturity, strength, prowess, > self-confidence. > Modern logo doesn't necessarily have to represent the WHOLE values of a company/product, because a company/product should be dynamic that could/should change over time. So is the logo. Take a look at most modern logo of big companies today, i.e. Microsoft, Google, Apple, etc. For example, I can't see any of Apple's values (both the company and the products) got represented on a bitten gray apple fruit. It looks dull, at least to me. But the Apple brand image is so powerful and what people think about Apple is far from dull. Or… what values can we see from a G shaped with four bright colors of Google's logo? It looks like a letter toy. Or Linux logo, Swift logo, Kotlin logo, etc. Hardly things one associates with a kitten. > I don't think it looks like a kitten, especially the updated one. But of course it looks like a cat, because cheetah is a cat. > FPC is an open-source project dating back to the days the word "open > source" did not exist. So maturity is important. > How do we put "maturity" onto a cheetah's face? Cheetah is known as the fastest animal on land. That's what the most recognizable value of a cheetah logo. And that's what people should think about (Free) Pascal: it's FAST. By making the logo looks more modern, it also brings modernity value. So, the new logo should represent something that's fast and modern. And cheetah is also cute as a mascot. And cuteness is attracting young people. :) Using marketing/branding talk: > Given that I think your version looks like a kitten, you will understand > that for the reasons explained above, I would not want to be "associated" > with the logo as you proposed it now. I understand. But I'm not fully agree with you either. The main reason I'm proposing new logo for Free Pascal –or even Pascal language in general– is I want to bring Pascal to the young people. I want these kids know that Pascal today is as modern, fast, and dynamic as other well-known programming languages. I hate it when I told them I'm writing a software using Pascal and they look at me like I'm a dinosaur. Some of them even asking me, "how do you make a web app using Turbo Pascal?" :D In fact, I'm currently designing of another Pascal logo that's more abstract, simpler, friendlier, and more colorful. It's still based on cheetah's face though. I'll present it as second alternative, once I'm done with it. :) -- Regards, –Mr Bee ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Proposal for new Free Pascal logo
On Mon, 2 Apr 2018, Mr Bee via fpc-pascal wrote: The proposed logo is updated. What's new: - it has eye balls. - more rounded face. - more rounded ears. - more visible whiskers. Cheetah is a member of cat big family. So, of course it will look like a cat or kitten. Nothing I can do about it. Are there more suggestions? Thank you. Please look at the lazarus logo/icon. It has no whiskers. It looks much more like a cheetah, not like a kitten. So you can do something about it: remove the whiskers. As an exercise I have done the job for you. See here: http://www.freepascal.org/~michael/pascal_logo2.png It's of course better to improve the original, I am not an artist. (I even would get rid of more elements, but let's start with this) If we're talking branding anyway (a subject I loathe), then a logo should represent the company/product group, whatever. So, the FPC logo should exhale maturity, strength, prowess, self-confidence. Hardly things one associates with a kitten. FPC is an open-source project dating back to the days the word "open source" did not exist. So maturity is important. Using marketing/branding talk: Given that I think your version looks like a kitten, you will understand that for the reasons explained above, I would not want to be "associated" with the logo as you proposed it now. Michael. ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Proposal for new Free Pascal logo
On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 3:34 AM, Mr Bee via fpc-pascal wrote: > The proposed logo is updated. I think it's a nice logo. Bart ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
