Re: [fpc-pascal] Feature announcement: Management Operators
2017-02-28 21:50 GMT+01:00 Graeme Geldenhuys : > Records - well, I use them like they were defined > in Delphi 7 and earlier. I really don't see the need for Records with > Methods (ie: TP Objects) and such. > Go with modern times! It's the 21st century now ;-) (For inspiration have e.g. a look at Julia [1] and how they develop incl. syntax changes. - Many discussions/decisions are being done using github issues, here e.g. a quite fundamental keyword change [2, 3]. As you see in this issue, it is often not easy to find *the* good solution, but it's great, how opinions have a place to flow in and can be considered/integrated by the core or other talented devs. - There are branches: people can help but are also told to wait if the timing is not good [4]. - There is a manual, stdlib, devdoc [5] which gets you started quickly and one can easily contribute small things like typos. - A one-stop discourse based forum [6] which is a joy to use and much easier than e.g. the multitude of fpc-maillist, lazarus-forum, newpascal-/mse--lists. - There's a one-stop binary download location [7] and/or install master from source, just a ~ 'git clone, make install' away (llvm is not as fast as fpc though;). - In general uniform syntax (even with `end` like in pascal:) which doesn't make you guess which style/convention to choose. - Organisations which integrate people interested in a specific subject. e.g. [8]. - Package management is currently a bit 'suboptimal' but a new one is being developed, here the propositions [9] where interested people can give input in the design phase, and later while implementing. --- Of course one cannot and should not compare !!! Julia doesn't have a 25+ year long legacy with many (partly a bit obscure) platforms to conserve and maintain. (It 'stole' the compiler, à la MSElang;-) It has developers which work since ~7 years ~professionally and there is quite some funding and many many contributors. But as a maybe longterm inspiration, why not? Maybe some parts are worth stealing? And, with tool-support, maybe possible to steal?) (Ähem, I digressed a bit from the Delphi 7 record topic... I am sorry (more so, considering I forked from you)) (I agree with what you wrote about 'polluting pascal code'. But what can one do? For me, atm, it is super-important that fpc is very compatible with delphi, e.g. generics (and that they work well). Thus, very grateful to people who contribute such things). [1]: http://julialang.org, [2]: https://github.com/JuliaLang/julia/issues/19157, [3]: https://github.com/JuliaLang/julia/pull/20418, [4]: https://github.com/JuliaLang/julia/pull/20885, [5]: https://github.com/JuliaLang/julia/tree/master/doc/src, [6]: http://discourse.julialang.org/ (discourse has mailling list integration nowadays...), [7]: http://julialang.org/downloads/, [8]: https://github.com/JuliaGPU, [9]: https://github.com/JuliaLang/Juleps/blob/master/Pkg3.md ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] Manual sources? Some doc questions.
@Michael and @Marco, Very helpful comments, thank you! Regarding, > > in subversion. See > http://www.freepascal.org/develop.var > Section 'Other repositories' Yes, found it. (Tex, I thought so (considering the nicely formatted pdf)). - In prog.pdf there is a section about "Compiler and RTL source tree >> structure". Is there some documentation about the (not-mentioned but huge) >> 'package' folder? >> > > No, this is on my todo list (since ages :/ ) No worries, the docu is huge, and I suppose the todo list also ;) I found many interesting infos already and it certainly was a lot of work to write! > the fpmake executables are exactly meant to enable this > github-package-project, without falling back on make. > There are 2 motivations for using fpmake: > 1. Make does not understand dependencies as FPC understands them. > 2. fpmake is pascal code. Anyone writing pascal code can create a fpmake > file, >no extra tools need to be learned. This is the main motivation. > 3. fpmake is more complete and performs a lot of operations which make needs external binaries, which are a maintenance hazard on non *nix Ok. - I would have some remarks but wait if/until I better understand some technical details. It works and is fast and at least I now know the connection between the two 'makers' and some rationals. ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
[fpc-pascal] Manual sources? Some doc questions.
I couldn't find the source for the manuals, e.g. [prog.pdf]( http://www.freepascal.org/docs.var). Does someone know where I can find them? Some other questions: - In prog.pdf there is a section about "Compiler and RTL source tree structure". Is there some documentation about the (not-mentioned but huge) 'package' folder? - (I suppose 'rtl' folder is the base for the compiler and 'package' kind of an extended standard library? In 'package' there are folders like 'fcl_', 'rtl_' and (many) , how is this motivated? - There is wiki docu about fpcmake and FPMake. But I'm still a bit ignorant about the purpose of the latter. Could it be ignored? When I looked up source code installation instructions, in the forum it was mentioned to get the code and then ~ `make distclean; make all; make install`. This sounds more familiar to me than compiling code into a binary FPMake-package - With FPMake I see the aim to split the code up into packages (with units, binaries, examples and documentation). But I don't (yet) understand why it builds fpmake-executables to do so? (Really ignorant: and why e.g. there isn't 'just a hypothetical github-package-project' which can be cloned, built and installed)? Is there any docu, discussion about this subject? Thanks a lot. ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] MSEide+MSEgui version 4.0 for FPC 3.0.0
Congratulations! I'm very interested in your llvm based compiler project. I don't know how you find the energy to build so many exciting things. Take care and thanks a lot!! 2015-11-13 10:47 GMT+01:00 Martin Schreiber : > Hi, > > MSEide+MSEgui 4.0 for FPC 3.0.0 has been released! > https://sourceforge.net/projects/mseide-msegui/ > > There are also new versions for MSEgit, MSEspice and MSErun: > https://sourceforge.net/projects/mseuniverse/ > > Have a lot of fun! > > Martin > ___ > fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org > http://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal > ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] [OT] which editor - emacs?
2010/1/10 dmitry boyarintsev : > I use Lazarus as my primary IDE (i have to use Delphi in windows sometimes). > Lazarus is the only IDE i'm using on Mac OS X. Just installed Lazarus and it's much better than I expected. Simple things like 'navigating around' are great. Didn't (yet) debug and still call the make script from the terminal though. What I miss, is the TextMate ability to drag a folder containing subfolders with .pas code files into the (libray) project. Cheers, Hans-Peter PS: thanks also to the other suggestions! And if somebody uses Emacs I am still interested to hear about how it goes. Thanks again! ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
Re: [fpc-pascal] [OT] which editor - emacs?
2010/1/10 Marco van de Voort : > In our previous episode, Hans-Peter Suter said: >> Is Emacs a good choice? Does it work well with FPC? > > Maybe, but what would you use as editor? :_) ;-) What do you (and/or the other FreePascal authors) use? Cheers, Hans-Peter ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
[fpc-pascal] [OT] which editor - emacs?
I'm on a mac and use TextMate currently. As it doesn't jump between declaration and implementation and ist mac-only, I am looking for a replacement. Is Emacs a good choice? Does it work well with FPC? Thanks, Hans-Peter ___ fpc-pascal maillist - fpc-pascal@lists.freepascal.org http://lists.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/fpc-pascal
