Two Frame Issues
On 1/25/06, Doug wrote: > > Also, sometimes when I use Notepad to edit my Maker.ini file, it > becomes corrupted. The EOL markers seem to vanish, the whole thing > becomes a jumble, and Frame doesn't work properly until I restore an > uncorrupted version of the file. What's up with this/ > Notepad, I guess. It is known to be not the best of editors, especially older verisions of it. Go for TextPad (shareware) or some other _real_ text editor. This one seems to be very good and is FOC: http://www.context.cx > Thanks, > > Doug > Bodvar
batch-upgrading documents 5.5.6 to 7.2?
Jeremy, On 25/01/06, Jeremy H. Griffith wrote: > On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:14:44 +0100, Jakob Fix > wrote: > > >I guess one could save the old files in MIF, and load them in 7.x, > >but how can this be automated? DZBatcher? Any other ideas? > > Sure. Download the free demo version of Mif2Go: > http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm > > Install it; you only need to copy the two plugin DLL files, > m2rbook.dll and m2gframe.dll, to the frame\fminit\plugins > directory, and delete .cache there. (If you also want to try > Mif2Go itself, do the full install per the User's Guide.) > > After you restart Frame, you'll see "Wash via MIF" in your > File menu. If you shift-File, it does all files in the book. > Really fast. Enjoy! > > HTH! > > -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. > http://www.omsys.com/ thanks, that seems perfect! I think we'll get eventually around being a licence. I've been using the free demo a couple of times for one-off tasks, but it appears to be constantly useful to me! Thanks to everybody else for responding, I appreciate it. -- cheers, Jakob.
batch convert to MIF
Hi all, would it be possible to write a (or use an existing) tool for saving FM files (any version) as MIF without the need of the FrameMaker application to be running? I know we can use DZbatcher or similar tools, but these require FrameMaker to be available. Met vriendelijke groet / kind regards, Wim Hooghwinkel wimh at scriptware.nl DTP and XML Management Scriptware bv http://www.scriptware.nl tel : +31 (0)23 548 48 84 fax : +31 (0)23 548 48 85 http://www.scriptware.nl info at scriptware.nl info at scriptware.nl
Comparing WebWorks versions
> Ideally, we'd like to upgrade to the latest version of all software, > including FrameMaker v7.2 and WebWorks ePublisher Pro. However, > Sourcerer (which we absolutely rely on) does not yet support FrameMaker > v7.2. So for now we'll stick with Frame v7.1. I've had several users verify that Sourcerer works with Frame 7.2. We have not tested it ourselves, so we are not yet listing 7.2. as officially being "supported" on our website (www.advantica.biz/sourcerer). I would recommend that you try it again and then contact me if you encounter any problems. > Two of our team members are about to learn how to use WebWorks Publisher > Pro to create and modify templates. (Current team members know only how > to apply existing WWP templates.) However, at least one vendor I've > consulted no longer offers training on WebWorks Publisher Pro version 7; > it's simply too old. I'm wondering if we should upgrade to WebWorks > Publisher Pro 2003 or WebWorks ePublisher Pro. I would not recommend ePublisher Pro -- it is not ready for use with structured FrameMaker. There are rumors that the next service release will fix at least one major bug regarding structured cross-references. However, support for element-based mappings, which was supported in past versions of WebWorks and is an essential feature if you use structured FrameMaker, seems to be a long way off. If you do decide to use ePublisher Pro, you need to base your EDD solely on paragraph and character formats, and not use EDD context rules to "override" those formats. > There is one downside to upgrading: While our desktop publishers will > have WebWorks Publisher Pro, our authors will have only the WebWorks > Standard v7 that is included with purchase of FrameMaker. We previously > found that if we created templates in WWP Pro 2003, authors using WWP > Standard 7 couldn't output HTML using those templates. (That's why we > "downgraded" our WebWorks Pro licenses to version 7.) Having authors > capable of outputting their own HTML is a luxury for us, but not an > absolute need. You don't necessarily need a WebWorks license for each user. We only have two copies -- one is for the person who maintains our templates, and the other is installed on a shared PC that is available to any writer. All our builds are done on the shared PC. So you might be able to set up something similar to that. Regards, Gary This e-mail, and any attachments are strictly confidential and intended for the addressee(s) only. The content may also contain legal, professional or other privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, by return of email, and then delete the e-mail and any attachments. You should not disclose, copy or take any action in reliance on this transmission. Please ensure you have adequate virus protection before you open or detach any documents from this transmission. __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
unavailable figures make Frame crash
Rick, Shlomo, thanks for your replies. On 25/01/06, Shlomo Perets wrote: > Jakob, > > You wrote: > > >we have the following problem on a couple of machines, with different > >documents: > > > >If, on opening a file with missing figures, the user chooses to skip > >this (and possibly all other figures), Frame crashes. > > > >Occurs on some machines, not all of them. Frame is +SGML 5.5.6, > >Windows is 2000 or XP. > > > >Any ideas why, and how to fix this? Thanks in advance. > > There is a known problem with FM6.0 or earlier used on Windows, causing > crashes related to missing graphics. > > A specific patch for FM6.0 is available for download from adobe.com: > http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=1420 > > There is a FM5.5.6 patch for this problem, offered by Systec. > See http://www.systec-gmbh.com/en/sites/downloads_epub.htm -- "Patches and > plug-ins", TOOLBOX plug-in for Adobe FrameMaker 5.5.6 under Windows XP > (free download). > I'm not sure whether the patch applies to FM+SGML 5.5.6 as well. > > > Shlomo Perets it turns out that the patch does work for +SGML 5.5.6 as well. At least, an additional menu entry shows up which simply (?) suppresses the missing figures dialogue box. thanks again for your responses. -- cheers, Jakob.
POLL RESULTS: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?
John, Did any of the 35 who said they use the Character Catalog, especially the adamant ones, say why this method is preferred? (Sorry, I wasn't following the thread). Thanks. Pearl Rosenberg TeleHealth Services - Original Message - From: John Wilcox Date: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 3:08 pm Subject: POLL RESULTS: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics? > > -Original Message- > > From: John Wilcox > > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 3:30 PM > > > This came up as a possible style standards issue here. > ... > > A. Click the B and I buttons, or press Ctrl+B and Ctrl+I. > > B. Select Bold and Emphasis from the Character Catalog. > > Of the 37 responses I got, 35 chose B or a variation thereof. > > Most of those 35 were so adamant that I doubt they will be > surprised at the > results, but I for one had no idea the vote would be so lop-sided. > > All of the variations mentioned involved creating and using use- > specificchar tags, such as BookTitle, VariableElement, NewTerm. > > Two people said that using WebWorks, the bold and italic > formatting would be > lost in the conversion, but I have not found this to be the case, > at least > in WWEP. > > Thanks to all who replied! As usual, the respondents comprise only > a tiny > fraction of the list membership, but I suppose they give a pretty good > snapshot of actual usage. > > > _ > Regards, > John Wilcox, Technical Writer > Zetron, Redmond > > > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as pearlrosenberg at nc.rr.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/pearlrosenberg% 40nc.rr.com > Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
POLL RESULTS: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?
Hi Pearl,
add Framers list to gmane.org?
Hello, for some of my recent Frame problems, I received very useful information through this mailing list. I would like to add references to these posts to our internal documentation, preferably just a URL per post. However, I'm not sure this is possible with the Lyris mailing list software (and its blasted, slow archive). Would it be a good idea to add this list to gmane.org? From the site: "This is what Gmane offers. Mailing lists are funneled into news groups. This isn't a new idea; several mail-to-news gateways exist. What's new with Gmane is that no messages are ever expired from the server, and the gateway is bidirectional. You can post to some of these mailing lists without being subscribed to them yourself, depending on whether the mailing lists allow non-subscribers to post or not. "In addition, Gmane does spam detection, cross-post handling, has a TMDA-fueled encryption/forwarding service, a web interface, respects X-No-Archive, supplies RSS feeds, uses SPF, features user-defined filters, gathers traffic statistics, and has a real-time indexing search engine." Obviously, email addresses are hidden from view and from harvesting. It's free. I have no relationship with gmane apart from being a very satisfied user. What do you think? Lisa? -- cheers, Jakob.
add Framers list to gmane.org?
Jakob, not to be a party-pooper, but I'm not real hot on the idea of my posts possibly making their way into someone's documentation. > for some of my recent Frame problems, I received very useful > information through this mailing list. I would like to add > references to these posts to our internal documentation, > preferably just a URL per post. However, I'm not sure this > is possible with the Lyris John Posada Senior Technical Writer "So long and thanks for all the fish."
add Framers list to gmane.org?
John, On 26/01/06, John Posada wrote: > Jakob, not to be a party-pooper, but I'm not real hot on the idea of > my posts possibly making their way into someone's documentation. ah, a misunderstanding: I intend to use these links just as references for internal howto documents to be shared with colleagues, not as an official documentation that will be distributed to clients, if that's your concern. -- cheers, Jakob.
add Framers list to gmane.org?
> ah, a misunderstanding: I intend to use these links > just as references for internal howto documents to be > shared with colleagues, not as an official documentation > that will be distributed to clients, if that's > your concern. Sorry, Jakob, there was no misunderstanding. Why? you may have every intention of not making them public, but once they are in documentation, anything can happen; somepone else recycles what you create not knowing the restrictions, you leave and someone takes over the stuff and doesn't know, it's just an issue I'd rather not be involved with. John Posada Senior Technical Writer "So long and thanks for all the fish."
add Framers list to gmane.org?
John wrote: -> Why? you may have every intention of not making them public, -> but once they are in documentation, anything can happen; -> somepone else recycles what you create not knowing the -> restrictions, you leave and someone takes over the stuff and -> doesn't know, it's just an issue I'd rather not be involved with. Would copying and pasting into internal documetation be any better? I don't think so. -Niels -> -Original Message- -> From: framers-bounces+nfa=maconomy.dk at lists.frameusers.com -> [mailto:framers-bounces+nfa=maconomy.dk at lists.frameusers.com] -> On Behalf Of John Posada -> Sent: 26. januar 2006 15:36 -> To: Jakob Fix; Framers List -> Subject: Re: add Framers list to gmane.org? -> -> > ah, a misunderstanding: I intend to use these links just -> as references -> > for internal howto documents to be shared with colleagues, -> not as an -> > official documentation that will be distributed to -> clients, if that's -> > your concern. -> -> Sorry, Jakob, there was no misunderstanding. -> -> Why? you may have every intention of not making them public, -> but once they are in documentation, anything can happen; -> somepone else recycles what you create not knowing the -> restrictions, you leave and someone takes over the stuff and -> doesn't know, it's just an issue I'd rather not be involved with. -> -> -> -> John Posada -> Senior Technical Writer -> -> "So long and thanks for all the fish." -> ___ -> -> -> You are currently subscribed to Framers as NFA at maconomy.dk. -> -> To unsubscribe send a blank email to -> framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com -> or visit -> http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/nfa%40maconomy.dk -> -> Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit -> http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ->
add Framers list to gmane.org?
> Would copying and pasting into internal documetation > be any better? > I don't think so. Chances are that if the information is copied and pasted, not everything ffrom the message is included...headers, sigs, and other attributes would be stripped out. A URL includes everything. I'm not going to justify why I don't like it. I just don't. I cannot stop it if it happens and I don't know about it and if I'm the only person that objects, I'm outvoted. I just said I don't like it. John Posada Senior Technical Writer "So long and thanks for all the fish."
add Framers list to gmane.org?
John, On 26/01/06, John Posada wrote: > > ah, a misunderstanding: I intend to use these links > > just as references for internal howto documents to be > > shared with colleagues, not as an official documentation > > that will be distributed to clients, if that's > > your concern. > > Sorry, Jakob, there was no misunderstanding. oops? > Why? you may have every intention of not making them public, but once > they are in documentation, anything can happen; somepone else > recycles what you create not knowing the restrictions, you leave and > someone takes over the stuff and doesn't know, it's just an issue I'd > rather not be involved with. So, in essence, it seems this has absolutely nothing to do with my original request as to whether or not to add the mailing list to site such as http://gmane.org/ ? If I'd simply asked for "easy access to previous posts via a simple one-URL-per-post scheme instead of a long and not always successful search in the mailing list archive", you would have agreed, or wouldn't you? Of course, even now I can cut and paste, or print, or "save as", or even screen capture your contributions to this mailing list, whether you like it or not. But this is not my intention. I just want to be able to do this (an extract of a Howto document): "Further information == "The main download site for these utilities is here: http://www.systec-gmbh.com/en/sites/downloads_epub.php "Adobe acknowledges this problem for FrameMaker 6 and provides a patch, but not for 5.5.6. Patch is available here: http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=1420 "See the Framers mailing list, search for the thread titled "unavailable figures make Frame crash"." The last phrase I'd like to replace by a URL to the original post of this thread. That's all. -- cheers, Jakob.
add Framers list to gmane.org?
> If I'd simply asked for "easy access to previous > posts via a simple one-URL-per-post scheme instead > of a long and not always successful > search in the mailing list archive", you would have > agreed, or wouldn't you? If it means a direct URL to a post by non-members out of the control of the list, no, I wouldn't. Jakob..I'm not going to break everything down to it's smallest detail. I don't know gmane and it doesn't matter. I simply saw your post and it made me uncomfortable. You can do what you want how you want it. I'm just not giving it my blessing and I'm not spending any more time debating it. = John Posada Senior Technical Writer "So long and thanks for all the fish."
add Framers list to gmane.org?
Jakob, I believe, if you read the copyright notice on frameusers.com, you will see that ownership of posts is retained by the author. And I would submit that because the content of the site is copyrighted as a body, that body-of-work further documents each posting as belonging to the author. I eagerly await your contract proposal for assigning rights (and the subsequent royalty checks) for usage of my posts off the list, as I'm sure most members do. ;- ) Cheers, Art On 1/26/06, Jakob Fix wrote: > Hello, > > for some of my recent Frame problems, I received very useful > information through this mailing list. I would like to add references > to these posts to our internal documentation, preferably just a URL > per post. However, I'm not sure this is possible with the Lyris > mailing list software (and its blasted, slow archive). > > Would it be a good idea to add this list to gmane.org? From the site: > > "This is what Gmane offers. Mailing lists are funneled into news > groups. This isn't a new idea; several mail-to-news gateways exist. > What's new with Gmane is that no messages are ever expired from the > server, and the gateway is bidirectional. You can post to some of > these mailing lists without being subscribed to them yourself, > depending on whether the mailing lists allow non-subscribers to post > or not. > > "In addition, Gmane does spam detection, cross-post handling, has a > TMDA-fueled encryption/forwarding service, a web interface, respects > X-No-Archive, supplies RSS feeds, uses SPF, features user-defined > filters, gathers traffic statistics, and has a real-time indexing > search engine." > > Obviously, email addresses are hidden from view and from harvesting. > It's free. I have no relationship with gmane apart from being a very > satisfied user. > > What do you think? Lisa? > > -- > cheers, > Jakob. -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358
batch convert to MIF
If I were you, I'd ping Jeremy at Omsys, publishers of MIF2Go. If anyone knows or could do it, they'd be the guys... Art On 1/26/06, Wim Hooghwinkel (Scriptware) wrote: > Hi all, > > would it be possible to write a (or use an existing) tool for saving FM files > (any version) as MIF without the need of the FrameMaker application to be > running? > > I know we can use DZbatcher or similar tools, but these require FrameMaker to > be available. > > > Met vriendelijke groet / kind regards, > > Wim Hooghwinkel wimh at scriptware.nl > DTP and XML Management > > Scriptware bv http://www.scriptware.nl > tel : +31 (0)23 548 48 84 > fax : +31 (0)23 548 48 85 > http://www.scriptware.nl > info at scriptware.nl info at scriptware.nl -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358
add Framers list to gmane.org?
Sorry, just found out that Framers is archived publicly with exactly what I need: http://www.mail-archive.com/framers at lists.frameusers.com/ All is well now (except maybe for John P. :-)) -- cheers, Jakob.
add Framers list to gmane.org?
Art, I know I should refrain from replying ... but ... can't ... must ... answer. :-) On 26/01/06, Art Campbell wrote: > Jakob, > > I believe, if you read the copyright notice on frameusers.com, you > will see that ownership of posts is retained by the author. And I > would submit that because the content of the site is copyrighted as a > body, that body-of-work further documents each posting as belonging to > the author. Let's see: http://www.mail-archive.com/framers at lists.frameusers.com/msg00795.html How much is this link worth? And who does it belong to? Rick? The Framers mailing list? The mail-archive.com people? Just talking about the link, mind you. These are really interesting questions, and I won't think we will find a satisfying answer ("42" anyone?), but I also think nobody will be able to tell whether or not I put these links in an internal document or not. So I think I'm safe, for the moment :-). -- cheers, Jakob.
add Framers list to gmane.org?
I'm so glad that the technical ability to do it has superceded the wishes of people who are taking their time to help other list members. I'm sure I can find instructions and links on the web to crack someone's IT enterprise. That must make it OK too. --- Jakob Fix wrote: > Sorry, just found out that Framers is archived publicly with > exactly what I need: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers at lists.frameusers.com/ > > All is well now (except maybe for John P. :-)) John Posada Senior Technical Writer "So long and thanks for all the fish."
Two Frame Issues
Doug, Although I don't recall a plug in (unless it's one of Microtype's customization tools), I think if you follow the directions in C:\Program Files\Adobe\FrameMaker7.0\OnlineManuals\Customizing_Frame_Products.pdf that detail how to modify the menu config files, you can remove whatever you want in a couple minutes. *** If Notepad corrupts your files, I'd suggest not using Notepad. Cheers, Art On 1/25/06, Doug wrote: > When I click the Format menu option in FrameMaker, the Font, Size, and > Style options are available. Obviously this can lead to applying > format overrides. I believe someone has created a plug-in that will > disable and/or remove these options...can someone remind me what the > name of it is? > > Also, sometimes when I use Notepad to edit my Maker.ini file, it > becomes corrupted. The EOL markers seem to vanish, the whole thing > becomes a jumble, and Frame doesn't work properly until I restore an > uncorrupted version of the file. What's up with this/ > > Thanks, > > Doug > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358
add Framers list to gmane.org?
I don't see anything in the archive site that implies that FM posts are not still copyright by the author. Art On 1/26/06, Jakob Fix wrote: > Art, > > I know I should refrain from replying ... but ... can't ... must ... answer. > :-) > > On 26/01/06, Art Campbell wrote: > > Jakob, > > > > I believe, if you read the copyright notice on frameusers.com, you > > will see that ownership of posts is retained by the author. And I > > would submit that because the content of the site is copyrighted as a > > body, that body-of-work further documents each posting as belonging to > > the author. > > Let's see: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers at lists.frameusers.com/msg00795.html > > How much is this link worth? And who does it belong to? Rick? The > Framers mailing list? The mail-archive.com people? Just talking about > the link, mind you. > > These are really interesting questions, and I won't think we will find > a satisfying answer ("42" anyone?), but I also think nobody will be > able to tell whether or not I put these links in an internal document > or not. So I think I'm safe, for the moment :-). > > -- > cheers, > Jakob. > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358
add Framers list to gmane.org?
I'm not a lawyer (and I don't play one on TV, either), but I don't see how publication in any medium of a URL to an item in a publicly available archive infringes on the original poster's copyright. It seems to me that publishing a URL is analogous to publishing the ISBN number for a work published in hard. All you are doing is facilitating someone's ability to access the original work which is already publicly available. If you want to carry the copyright thing to such an extreme, how about forbidding the inclusion of any portion of the original posting in all replies? That seems to be more of a rights violation to me than publishing a URL to a public archive. My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel (particularly on intellectual property issues...) Fred Ridder Intel Parsippany, NJ >From: Art Campbell >To: Jakob Fix >CC: Framers List >Subject: Re: add Framers list to gmane.org? >Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:43:53 -0500 > >I don't see anything in the archive site that implies that FM posts are not >still copyright by the author. > >Art > _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
add Framers list to gmane.org?
> a satisfying answer ("42" anyone?), but I also > think nobody will be able to tell whether or not >I put these links in an internal > document or not. So I think I'm safe, for the moment :-). Wrong. more than once I've received real voice phone calls from people who saw my name on a post, did some searching, and called me up. The most recent one was about a thread on PageMaker viewers that took place a couple of years ago. Or, I could get an email from someone at your company asking for more information. If that happens, I WILL be contacting your legal department on copyright infringement and I HAVE retained the posts on this thread as proof that I don't approve of my posts being used. Of course, you could sneak around the wishes that anyone else may have by remembering to just not use my post but ignore the wishes of anyone else, whether they've participated in thread or not. I don't think anyone else who practices copyright violation and gets caught expected to get caught either. John Posada Senior Technical Writer "So long and thanks for all the fish."
POLL RESULTS: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?
I can't think of a better reason than what the guide (via Rick) says. * Hi Pearl, * From the FrameMaker "User Guide" page 93: * "Applying formats from catalogs is the easiest way to change the look of * text and to ensure that your documents are formatted consistently. This * consistency simplifies making changes later as well as converting documents * to other formats such as HTML." * Rick Quatro * Carmen Publishing * 585-659-8267 * www.frameexpert.com > John, > > Did any of the 35 who said they use the Character Catalog, especially > the adamant ones, say why this method is preferred? (Sorry, I wasn't > following the thread). > > Thanks. > Pearl Rosenberg > TeleHealth Services ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as jonx.harvey at intel.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jonx.harvey%40intel. com Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Two Frame Issues
Hello Doug, > Format menu option in FrameMaker, the Font, Size, and Style options > disable and/or remove these options There's a free FrameScript RemoveFontMenu.fsl at http://www.itl.de/html/englisch/consulting/fsl/itl-pool.html#misc It removes the "Font" menu from the Format menu and all context menus. Kind regards, Klaus M?ller, itl AG --- Original Message --- From: Doug Date: 26.01.2006 00:14 > When I click the Format menu option in FrameMaker, the Font, Size, and > Style options are available. Obviously this can lead to applying > format overrides. I believe someone has created a plug-in that will > disable and/or remove these options...can someone remind me what the > name of it is? > > Also, sometimes when I use Notepad to edit my Maker.ini file, it > becomes corrupted. The EOL markers seem to vanish, the whole thing > becomes a jumble, and Frame doesn't work properly until I restore an > uncorrupted version of the file. What's up with this/ > > Thanks, > > Doug
Comparing WebWorks versions
Hello Eileen, Just today I was asked by the IT coordinator of a client, why there is an upgrade of the well-known FrameScript plug-in within just 10 months after the last version. You know the rule: "Never change a running system." Why do you want/need to upgrade at all? Are there any problems with your current setup? Some thoughts: Since you are working with Sourcerer you seem to work with structured documents: Webworks ePublisher (WWeP) does not support structured documents at the moment. Unless you want to redesign your WWP conversion templates from scratch using WWP2003 wouldn't make a big difference compared to version 7, because the inner workings (a.k.a. Webworks Macro Language) are the same. WWP7 and WWP2003 share a technology which is in a kind-of end-of-life phase -- nevertheless I have quite a lot of clients which benefit from projects with WWP6, WWP7, or WWP2003 (remember: "Never change..."). WWeP internally uses XML and XSL. You could do the same based on your structured FM documents: Save the content as XML and use custom XSL transformations to create HTML. In some situations it might be a better idea to learn XSL (not simple, but a W3C standard!) instead of WebWorks Macro Language (also not simple!). Kind regards, - Michael On 26.01.2006 01:40, Anderson, Eileen schrieb/wrote: > My team is using structured FrameMaker v7.1, Sourcerer v1.11, and > WebWorks Publisher v7.0.6 to create single-source documents to output > for different audiences and media (including print, PDF, and HTML). > > Ideally, we'd like to upgrade to the latest version of all software, > including FrameMaker v7.2 and WebWorks ePublisher Pro. However, > Sourcerer (which we absolutely rely on) does not yet support FrameMaker > v7.2. So for now we'll stick with Frame v7.1. > > Two of our team members are about to learn how to use WebWorks Publisher > Pro to create and modify templates. (Current team members know only how > to apply existing WWP templates.) However, at least one vendor I've > consulted no longer offers training on WebWorks Publisher Pro version 7; > it's simply too old. I'm wondering if we should upgrade to WebWorks > Publisher Pro 2003 or WebWorks ePublisher Pro. > > There is one downside to upgrading: While our desktop publishers will > have WebWorks Publisher Pro, our authors will have only the WebWorks > Standard v7 that is included with purchase of FrameMaker. We previously > found that if we created templates in WWP Pro 2003, authors using WWP > Standard 7 couldn't output HTML using those templates. (That's why we > "downgraded" our WebWorks Pro licenses to version 7.) Having authors > capable of outputting their own HTML is a luxury for us, but not an > absolute need. > > So, Framers, this is where I'd like to benefit from your experience and > advice. > > - Have you used WebWorks ePublisher Pro? Do you find it offers > significant enhancements over prior versions of WebWorks Publisher Pro? > Is it compatible with FrameMaker version 7.1? > - Do you see a significant advantage in using WebWorks Publisher Pro > 2003 as compared to WebWorks Publisher Pro version 7? > - Do you have other thoughts on our situation or lessons learned from > your experiences with different WebWorks Publisher versions? > > Thanks! > > - Eileen Anderson > Manager of Curriculum Editing & Desktop Publishing > T-Mobile Customer Care Learning & Development > eileen.anderson at t-mobile.com -- _ Michael M?ller-Hillebrand http://cap-studio.de/ WebWorks Publisher Support & Info http://wwp-support.info/ - Please make sure to send follow-up questions to the list. Contact me directly with business inquiries or comments. -
add Framers list to gmane.org?
Dear Jakob, I'm glad that you received useful information from the list. I have had exactly the same experience. I applaud your thought of sharing this bounty. However, using gmane.org, you can not do this fairly without contacting each person who signed up to Framers and asking each of them for permission to do it. If anyone refuses, you can not do it, period. I think other list users would agree. When anyone signs up for an e-mail list, they share information to that list. By doing that, they accept the list's privacy policy. I don't see a link to it on FrameUsers.com, but I'm sure one exists, if not in writing then in the minds of the lists' administrators. If you then put the e-mail list into any tool that exposes it beyond its intended audience, you've violated the privacy policy. I won't get into the legal aspects of this, since I'm sure another respondent will (if it hasn't happened already). Though your intentions are quite good, I am writing to remind you that you can't control gmane.org. If you want to publicize framers list, then publicize it and make individuals sign up for it. That forces them to break the barrier of anonymity. That is the right, honorable, and decent way to share information online. I hope that you will consider it in this light and do the right thing. Joe Joe Malin Technical Writer (408)625-1623 jmalin at tuvox.com www.tuvox.com The views expressed in this document are those of the sender, and do not necessarily reflect those of TuVox, Inc. -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+jmalin=tuvox@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+jmalin=tuvox.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jakob Fix Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 6:14 AM To: Framers List Subject: add Framers list to gmane.org? Hello, for some of my recent Frame problems, I received very useful information through this mailing list. I would like to add references to these posts to our internal documentation, preferably just a URL per post. However, I'm not sure this is possible with the Lyris mailing list software (and its blasted, slow archive).
MIF2Go Wash via MIF
Hi, guys...I must have missed something. What IS this MIF washing, anyway? What problem does it fix and what does it do? John Posada Senior Technical Writer "So long and thanks for all the fish."
add Framers list to gmane.org?
John Posada wrote: >I could get an email from > someone at your company asking for more information. > > If that happens, I WILL be contacting your legal department on > copyright infringement and I HAVE retained the posts on this thread > as proof that I don't approve of my posts being used. > > Of course, you could sneak around the wishes that anyone else may > have by remembering to just not use my post but ignore the wishes of > anyone else, whether they've participated in thread or not. > > I don't think anyone else who practices copyright violation and gets > caught expected to get caught either. John, If you are of such strong opinion that simply publishing a URL (which is nothing more than an address) constitutes copyright violation, why did you ask us all to do it for you? ( http://tinyurl.com/8dn69 ) Do you also plan to threaten legal action against Google, Yahoo, and all the other search engines that publish links to your postings in response to keyword searches? Or have you just missed Jakob's point altogether, that he is not reproducing a single word of your copyright-protected public postings but is simply telling others that they exist and pointing to their location? I do not understand your reaction. -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers at phoenix-geophysics dot com "Please reinstall the application you want to remove." --Microsoft Windows 'unInstall Specialist' Get Firefox! http://tinyurl.com/8q9c5
MIF2Go Wash via MIF
An automated version of the two-aspirin fix: Save your problem FM file as MIF and open that file to see if the problem-causing drek has been removed... Art On 1/26/06, John Posada wrote: > Hi, guys...I must have missed something. What IS this MIF washing, > anyway? What problem does it fix and what does it do? > > John Posada > Senior Technical Writer > > "So long and thanks for all the fish." > ___ -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358
add Framers list to gmane.org?
Stuart...that is not even close to what I object to. Posting a fully formed URL for easier use by list members within the approved list community and posting a URL in a source I know nothing about, for use by people I know nothing about, used in a way and context I know nothing about are two completely different things. I assume you said what you did to get a response, not because it made any sense. > nothing more than an address) constitutes copyright > violation, why did > you ask us all to do it for you? ( http://tinyurl.com/8dn69 ) John Posada Senior Technical Writer "So long and thanks for all the fish."
add Framers list to gmane.org?
Joe just said what I was thinking -- and more articulately than I think I might have been. Jakob's thought was good, but the implementation has risks that appear not to have been thouroughly considered. (No fault there; I suspect that we've all been in that position -- I know that I certainly have!) The fact that we are able to have this conversation shows a degree of consideration and civility that is really refreshing. Thanks! Grant ___ Grant Hogarth Equis International - A Reuters Company ghogarth at Equis.com / Grant.Hogarth at Reuters.com Direct: (+1) 801.270.3180 Main Fax: 801.265.3999 -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+grant.hogarth=reuters@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+grant.hogarth=reuters.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Joe Malin Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 10:11 AM To: Jakob Fix; Framers List Subject: RE: add Framers list to gmane.org? Dear Jakob, I'm glad that you received useful information from the list. I have had exactly the same experience. I applaud your thought of sharing this bounty. However, using gmane.org, you can not do this fairly without contacting each person who signed up to Framers and asking each of them for permission to do it. If anyone refuses, you can not do it, period. I think other list users would agree. When anyone signs up for an e-mail list, they share information to that list. By doing that, they accept the list's privacy policy. I don't see a link to it on FrameUsers.com, but I'm sure one exists, if not in writing then in the minds of the lists' administrators. If you then put the e-mail list into any tool that exposes it beyond its intended audience, you've violated the privacy policy. I won't get into the legal aspects of this, since I'm sure another respondent will (if it hasn't happened already). Though your intentions are quite good, I am writing to remind you that you can't control gmane.org. If you want to publicize framers list, then publicize it and make individuals sign up for it. That forces them to break the barrier of anonymity. That is the right, honorable, and decent way to share information online. I hope that you will consider it in this light and do the right thing. Joe Joe Malin
add Framers list to gmane.org?--Spam implications
Jakob Fix wrote: > Sorry, just found out that Framers is archived publicly with exactly what I > need: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers at lists.frameusers.com/ And to get back to my point from yesterday, if you click on any of these links, the email is shown as "<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> " so that spammers can't get the address... John
add Framers list to gmane.org?
This is probably all true and just a small maybe its not. However, I'll bet that Jakob's employers wouldn't want to be the subject of finding out if it is or not and should his corporate attorney receive correspondence from me, they'll going to make Jakob question how important the information in that post really was. --- Mark Levitt wrote: > John, > > It is highly unlikely you would have any success in suing for > copyright > infringement over an archive of a message you sent to a public > mailing list. John Posada Senior Technical Writer "So long and thanks for all the fish."
add Framers list to gmane.org?
If it gets that far, it is only because the request that I made on this forum was ignored. Besides...that isn't extortion. That would be if I came out of nowhere and threatened harm. I'd only be responding to what I perceive as harm made first to me. > > going to make Jakob question how important the information in > > that post really was. > > Yes, you can bully him into doing what you want by > threatening them with some sort of harm. That's usually > called extortion... John Posada Senior Technical Writer "So long and thanks for all the fish."
add Framers list to gmane.org?--Spam implications
> And to get back to my point from yesterday, if you > click on any of these links, the email is shown as > "<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> " so that spammers can't get the > address... I'm not concerned about spammers. I'm concerned about a solution or process being proposed internally with me being attributed as part of the solution, to find out that the solution was not exactly right for that problem. I check and recheck my internal documentation to make sure it is as accurate as I can make it and I stand behind it if something goes wrong. Becoming part of a solution for a problems I know nothing about and not being able to participate in making sure it is accurate is something I'd like to avoid. Remember...the purpose of his using the posts was for internal support documentation. Do you want your solutions to be the fixes to problems that you know nothing about? Trust me...chances are you can be contacted with blocked email addresses and all. Give you an example. I "think" I know where Jakob Fix is from, gmail address not withstanding. Almost anyone can be located with a name, some text strings from a post, and the will to find out. John Posada Senior Technical Writer "So long and thanks for all the fish."
Who cares? [was gmane.org ad naseum]
U, abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ `1234567890-= ~!@#$%^&*()_+ []\ {}| ;' :" ,./ <>? I think that's all the characters I can type. Now that I've typed them, put it into an email and sent it to the list, please do not ever use these characters or I will come after you in court, at your office and maybe even on the way to your appointment at 3:45 with the guy trying to help you with that issue related to your golf game. :) Google for this: "John Posada" frameusers 675 hits Yahoo: 147 hits Ask Jeeves 67 Alltheweb 103 search.aol.com 3 pages worth Teoma 67 Hopefully they all have permission :) I seriously think that this topic has gotten way goofy, even by my standards. If you don't want people to use what you write on the list either just send questions or send your answers directly to a person with the legal blather that says it's confidential. However, don't post to the group if you don't want them to use it. The whole purpose of this list is to make the life of Frame users better and this discussion doesn't do so. If it's in the public domain (which this list really is and so is the web at large) then it's likely tough to claim ownership. There are exceptions to the rule, but if someone links to a URL that is available to the public and wants to make it a reference point to go to for help, so be it. I think that most, if not all documentation carries the standard "if it works right, great, and if not then don't blame us" that legal wants. Relax people. It's just a link. It's just content that helps out people. If someone wants to connect to the list via a tool that is used internally or externally let them. I suggest that anyone who does not want to have content used by others stop sending suggestions to the list. Nice and easy. There's no point in posting the forum elsewhere as I get the results in a google search. (h, they have money, can we sue?) If people need to link to a valuable resource (read into that "postings on the list") then let them do so. That's what it is here for. Now, can we get back to doing real work? Bernard
Who cares? [was gmane.org ad naseum]
I do. I'm sure I can find issues that you feel are important, to be trivial. However, I'll be refraining from from saying so because I also believe that people are allowed to express their concerns even if I'm not concerned about it. John Posada Senior Technical Writer "So long and thanks for all the fish."
Who cares? [was gmane.org ad naseum]
Bernard, I think John's point (and mine, anyway) is that information on the forum is freely given. Some/most of us are professional writers who get paid for words; if we choose to give some away in this or other forumns, that's up to us. But they're still our words and we want them to be under our control as much as possible. I/we get upset when a site or individual steals, masssages, and presents the freely-given information to make a profit. Especially without letting me/us know. I don't have a problem accepting that you are willing to have others make a profit off your knowledge without $haring. But not all of us are that care free. Cheers, Art On 1/26/06, Bernard Aschwanden wrote: > U, > > abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz > ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ > `1234567890-= > ~!@#$%^&*()_+ > []\ > {}| > ;' > :" > ,./ > <>? -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358
Who cares? [was gmane.org ad naseum]
I'm totally self employed and count on the list, the users and Framers across the planet to pay me for what I do. If they don't I can't pay the bills. This list is one way to promote myself. Again, if you don't want your words used by others, then don't post to the list. It's really not that tough. Instead of sending to, cc'ing to or bcc'ing to the list, just send to, cc or bcc the people with the question. Or don't offer your input. Thanks by the way to the wide range of people who already pitched in to let me know "thanks for saying what we are thinking". For the record, I post a lot to this group. So do a lot of people who make their living selling the same support and services we offer here for free. To say that we don't get paid for it isn't totally true. It's good press. If you don't think that others should quote you it's really simple. Don't send to the list. Send to the individual. If your thoughts are worth that much, then hoard them and bottle it. Me, I post where and when I can and hope that the goodwill results in business. Generally it has. I guess that mean that I don't have a problem accepting that others make a profit (and I lose money) by posting here. If you aren't that care free then stop sending answers and just post your questions. Bernard -Original Message- From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 6:51 PM To: bernard at publishingsmarter.com Cc: Framers List Subject: Re: Who cares? [was gmane.org ad naseum] Bernard, I think John's point (and mine, anyway) is that information on the forum is freely given. Some/most of us are professional writers who get paid for words; if we choose to give some away in this or other forumns, that's up to us. But they're still our words and we want them to be under our control as much as possible. I/we get upset when a site or individual steals, masssages, and presents the freely-given information to make a profit. Especially without letting me/us know. I don't have a problem accepting that you are willing to have others make a profit off your knowledge without $haring. But not all of us are that care free. Cheers, Art On 1/26/06, Bernard Aschwanden wrote: > U, > > abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz > ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ > `1234567890-= > ~!@#$%^&*()_+ > []\ > {}| > ;' > :" > ,./ > <>? -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358
Who cares? [was gmane.org ad naseum]
Agreed. Freely given. Hence, if you get a penny it's a huge return on the investment. Besides, if people stay from others on a list like this it's pretty quickly known. There are several people on the list that I don't bother to reply to because off list others have mentioned issue that develop. By and large I trust to the 'good' in people and let it be at that. B -Original Message- From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 6:51 PM To: bernard at publishingsmarter.com Cc: Framers List Subject: Re: Who cares? [was gmane.org ad naseum] Bernard, I think John's point (and mine, anyway) is that information on the forum is freely given. Some/most of us are professional writers who get paid for words; if we choose to give some away in this or other forumns, that's up to us. But they're still our words and we want them to be under our control as much as possible. I/we get upset when a site or individual steals, masssages, and presents the freely-given information to make a profit. Especially without letting me/us know. I don't have a problem accepting that you are willing to have others make a profit off your knowledge without $haring. But not all of us are that care free. Cheers, Art On 1/26/06, Bernard Aschwanden wrote: > U, > > abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz > ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ > `1234567890-= > ~!@#$%^&*()_+ > []\ > {}| > ;' > :" > ,./ > <>? -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358
batch convert to MIF
On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:24:32 -0500, Art Campbell wrote: >If I were you, I'd ping Jeremy at Omsys, publishers of MIF2Go. If >anyone knows or could do it, they'd be the guys... Thanks, Art! The short answer is "No". You cannot convert Frame .fm files to .mif *without* running FrameMaker. It would be a violation of the DMCA to do so, since .fm is a proprietary binary format you'd have to reverse-engineer. Don't do it. ;-) That said, if you want to convert bunches of .fm files to .mif using FrameMaker, the easiest way is with the Mif2Go plugin. This feature is fully usable in the Demo version, both technically and legally: http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm MIF is one of the supported formats listed when you use Mif2Go; you can save to a different directory, and still have a MIF file (with an .fm extension if you want) that will load correctly in the original directory, which is not the case if you SaveAs MIF in Frame itself. (Frame changes any relative paths.) This is what you want if you are archiving the MIF in CVS, Subversion, or some other SCCS; that's what we designed the feature for. And as with all other formats, you can convert a book with one command. HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/
MIF2Go Wash via MIF
On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:28:32 -0800 (PST), John Posada wrote: >Hi, guys...I must have missed something. What IS this MIF washing, >anyway? What problem does it fix and what does it do? We didn't invent this, just made it a lot easier to do, as a public service (since you don't have to buy Mif2Go to use the feature, just download the demo). The process is to save .fm files as .mif, then re-open the .mif and re-save as .fm over the original. Why? Well, the .fm format is binary with lots of linked lists, and sometimes it loses something it needs, perhaps as a result of an optimization of some sort. This results in the file not behaving as documented. Something may disappear, or display very strangely. Often, but not always, saving as MIF, an ASCII format, produces a cleaned-up version of the doc; when you reload it, the original problem is gone. This is frequent enough that it pays to try it first, rather than rekeying the file, or trying to find the exact trouble spot and fix it. Doing the SaveAs, close, reopen is a bit of a PITA, especially if you want to do it to a big book. We got tired of doing it ourselves, so we added it to Mif2Go as "Wash via MIF". ;-) -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/
cross-reference problem
We are using unstructured FM 7.0. Our book contains several chapters. The files were moved from one location to another location. When the writer opened up the book, he received an "unresolved cross-reference" message. He did a Search on the unresolved-cross references and re-submitted the cross-references. He was able to generate the book, but the next time he opened the book, he received the "unresolved cross-reference" message again. It was the same cross-references. He corrected them again, and the whole cycle repeated itself. Does anyone have an idea of why this keeps happening and how we can resolve it? --- Janice Cadel Principal Technical Writer/Editor Hughes Network Systems, LLC 11717 Exploration Lane Germantown, MD 20876 301-601-7434 fax: 301-428-2801 ---
add Framers list to gmane.org?
Your intent is to post information or a link to that information that you know is protected, without consent from the owner. You ask how much the link is worth. How much is a clear conscience worth or your reputation with the folks on this list? > How much is this link worth? And who does it belong to? Rick? The > Framers mailing list? The mail-archive.com people? Just talking about > the link, mind you. > > These are really interesting questions, and I won't think we will find > a satisfying answer ("42" anyone?), but I also think nobody will be > able to tell whether or not I put these links in an internal document > or not. So I think I'm safe, for the moment :-). > > -- > cheers, > Jakob. > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail .com > > Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as jonx.harvey at intel.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jonx.harvey%40intel. com Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
add Framers list to gmane.org?
Wouldn't the issue be with mail-archive.com, not with anyone who happens to publish a URL pointing to mail-archive.com. If mail-archive.com is archiving posts and making them public without the permission of the Framers list owners, then they are the ones in violation of copyright. Someone posting a URL is not in violation of copyright. Regards, Seraphim ___ Seraphim Larsen CIG Operations / TPPE Senior Technical Writer Intel Corporation (480) 552-6504 Chandler, AZ The content of this message is my personal opinion only. Although I am an employee of Intel, the statements I make here in no way represent Intel's position on the issue, nor am I authorized to speak on behalf of Intel on this matter. ___ -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+theorem37=gmail@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+theorem37=gmail.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 8:44 AM To: Jakob Fix Cc: Framers List Subject: Re: add Framers list to gmane.org? I don't see anything in the archive site that implies that FM posts are not still copyright by the author. Art On 1/26/06, Jakob Fix wrote: > Art, > > I know I should refrain from replying ... but ... can't ... must ... answer. :-) > > On 26/01/06, Art Campbell wrote: > > Jakob, > > > > I believe, if you read the copyright notice on frameusers.com, you > > will see that ownership of posts is retained by the author. And I > > would submit that because the content of the site is copyrighted as a > > body, that body-of-work further documents each posting as belonging to > > the author. > > Let's see: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers at lists.frameusers.com/msg00795.html > > How much is this link worth? And who does it belong to? Rick? The > Framers mailing list? The mail-archive.com people? Just talking about > the link, mind you. > > These are really interesting questions, and I won't think we will find > a satisfying answer ("42" anyone?), but I also think nobody will be > able to tell whether or not I put these links in an internal document > or not. So I think I'm safe, for the moment :-). > > -- > cheers, > Jakob. > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail .com > > Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as theorem37 at gmail.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/theorem37%40gmail.co m Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
add Framers list to gmane.org?
I agree with John P.
add Framers list to gmane.org?--Spam implications
At 11:00 AM -0800 1/26/06, John Posada wrote: > > And to get back to my point from yesterday, if you >> click on any of these links, the email is shown as >> "<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> " so that spammers can't get the >> address... > >I'm not concerned about spammers. I'm concerned about a solution or >process being proposed internally with me being attributed as part of >the solution, to find out that the solution was not exactly right for >that problem. I check and recheck my internal documentation to make >sure it is as accurate as I can make it and I stand behind it if >something goes wrong. Becoming part of a solution for a problems I >know nothing about and not being able to participate in making sure >it is accurate is something I'd like to avoid Wow! I just can't relate to this perspective. Is this what living in a litigation-obsessed country does to one? >Remember...the purpose of his using the posts was for internal >support documentation. Do you want your solutions to be the fixes to >problems that you know nothing about? Trust me...chances are you can >be contacted with blocked email addresses and all. > >Give you an example. I "think" I know where Jakob Fix is from, gmail >address not withstanding. Almost anyone can be located with a name, >some text strings from a post, and the will to find out. The NSA is reading your mail and listening to your phone calls; Google, Yahoo and the like are building a profile on you. Is there anything of your privacy left to protect? - web
Spam from India?
I belong to the TWI (Technical Writers of India) group. Recently the moderator deplored that some spam came from the members, only to get reports from the members that their names and email addresses were used unkown to them for spamming. I can't say whether this is a case of assumed name/id. It would be a good idea to scramble our email addresses or cut off the last portion so that we do not become victims of spam. Also, a random message to the group from the moderator announcing not to advertise services to the group would help. Alas, not everyone knows netiquette. If the messages continue, we have the phone number :) Who do you call? Spambusters! Nandini __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
add Framers list to gmane.org?
John, It is highly unlikely you would have any success in suing for copyright infringement over an archive of a message you sent to a public mailing list. As the author of a text, you have certain rights regarding control over who can make copies, transcribe, etc. However copyright is not an absolute. There are circumstances in which someone can copy a text without the permission of the rights holder. At a glance, the two I can think of off the top of my head are fair use/fair dealing and implied license. First, people have a right to use a text under the fair use doctrine. There is no hard and fast rule over what constitutes fair use, but making an archival copy for providing access to others seems to fall within fair use. Google just won a case where they were being sued for copyright infringement over their archiving of web pages. They are a commercial company, they were archiving and displaying the entire page, not just a portion, and they still won on fair use grounds. Second, if you publish a text on a website, you retain the copyright, but when a person (in the use of a browser) requests that text and your web site sends it to them, you are, legally, granting an implied license to that person to make a copy of the text in order to display it on their screen (as making a copy is the only way for the browser to function). Similarly this is public mailing list. When you send a text to the mailing list, you are implicitly commanding that the text be copied and distributed to everyone on the list. Those copies are further copied into individual mailboxes, backup tapes, archives, etc. There is, along with that command, an implied licence for those copies to be made. Otherwise, you could send an e-mail to the list and then sue the list owner for copyright infringement for every copy of your message that was sent out. In short, RIAA and MPAA propaganda to the contrary, you as copyright holder don't have an absolute say over what happens to your text. All that being said, I'm not making a moral or ethical argument about this. I agree it might be good to respect the *wishes* of the list members about where their e-mails are archived, but that's not the same thing as having a *right* to prevent it. http://www.eff.org/IP/blake_v_google/google_nevada_order.pdf -- Mark > -Original Message- > From: > framers-bounces+mark.levitt=betfair.com at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces+mark.levitt=betfair.com at lists.frameuse > rs.com] On Behalf Of Stuart Rogers > Sent: 26 January 2006 17:43 > To: John Posada > Cc: Framers List > Subject: Re: add Framers list to gmane.org? > > John Posada wrote: > >I could get an email from > > someone at your company asking for more information. > > > > If that happens, I WILL be contacting your legal department on > > copyright infringement and I HAVE retained the posts on > this thread as > > proof that I don't approve of my posts being used. > > > > Of course, you could sneak around the wishes that anyone > else may have > > by remembering to just not use my post but ignore the > wishes of anyone > > else, whether they've participated in thread or not. > > > > I don't think anyone else who practices copyright violation > and gets > > caught expected to get caught either. > > John, > > If you are of such strong opinion that simply publishing a > URL (which is nothing more than an address) constitutes > copyright violation, why did you ask us all to do it for you? > ( http://tinyurl.com/8dn69 ) Do you also plan to threaten > legal action against Google, Yahoo, and all the other search > engines that publish links to your postings in response to > keyword searches? > > Or have you just missed Jakob's point altogether, that he is > not reproducing a single word of your copyright-protected > public postings but is simply telling others that they exist > and pointing to their location? > > I do not understand your reaction. > > -- > Stuart Rogers > Technical Communicator > Phoenix Geophysics Limited > Toronto, ON, Canada > +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 > > srogers at phoenix-geophysics dot com > > "Please reinstall the application you want to remove." > --Microsoft Windows 'unInstall Specialist' > > Get Firefox! > http://tinyurl.com/8q9c5 > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as mark.levitt at betfair.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/mark.levit > t%40betfair.com > > Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > __ > __ > In order to protect our email recipients, Betfair use SkyScan from > MessageLabs to scan all Incoming and Outgoing mail for viruses. > > _
add Framers list to gmane.org?
> From: John Posada [mailto:jposada01 at yahoo.com] > This is probably all true and just a small maybe its not. > However, I'll bet that Jakob's employers wouldn't want to be > the subject of finding out if it is or not and should his > corporate attorney receive correspondence from me, they'll > going to make Jakob question how important the information in > that post really was. Yes, you can bully him into doing what you want by threatening them with some sort of harm. That's usually called extortion...
AW: batch-upgrading documents 5.5.6 to 7.2?
Hi, > >So, to restate my question, is there a "silent option" to open files > >created in a previous version in 7.x? You might test Mif2Go. It has a feature to "Wash via MIF" which works also on book files and in demo mode. The description in the help file is below. Best regards Winfried --- Clean a single file To clean a FrameMaker binary file: with the file open and active, on the FrameMaker File menu click Wash Via MIF. Mif2Go does the following: 1. Saves the file as MIF with extension .tmb (for Temporary MIF Backup), to avoid conflict with any existing MIF file of the same name. 2. Closes the file without saving. 3. Opens the .tmb MIF file. 4. Saves the .tmb MIF file as .fm. 5. Deletes the .tmb MIF file. Clean all files in a book To clean all files in a FrameMaker book: with the book file active, hold down the Shift key, and on the FrameMaker File menu click Wash All Files in Book Via MIF. Mif2Go processes each file in the book as described for Wash Via MIF, afterward closing any file that was not open in the first place. Back-up copies are saved first If you have set up FrameMaker to save back-up files, when you "wash" files via MIF, Mif2Go saves the previous .fm or .book file as filename.backup.fm or filename.backup.book. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Two Frame Issues
On 1/25/06, Doug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Also, sometimes when I use Notepad to edit my Maker.ini file, it > becomes corrupted. The EOL markers seem to vanish, the whole thing > becomes a jumble, and Frame doesn't work properly until I restore an > uncorrupted version of the file. What's up with this/ > Notepad, I guess. It is known to be not the best of editors, especially older verisions of it. Go for TextPad (shareware) or some other _real_ text editor. This one seems to be very good and is FOC: http://www.context.cx > Thanks, > > Doug > Bodvar ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: batch-upgrading documents 5.5.6 to 7.2?
Jeremy, On 25/01/06, Jeremy H. Griffith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 25 Jan 2006 12:14:44 +0100, Jakob Fix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > >I guess one could save the old files in MIF, and load them in 7.x, > >but how can this be automated? DZBatcher? Any other ideas? > > Sure. Download the free demo version of Mif2Go: > http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm > > Install it; you only need to copy the two plugin DLL files, > m2rbook.dll and m2gframe.dll, to the frame\fminit\plugins > directory, and delete .cache there. (If you also want to try > Mif2Go itself, do the full install per the User's Guide.) > > After you restart Frame, you'll see "Wash via MIF" in your > File menu. If you shift-File, it does all files in the book. > Really fast. Enjoy! > > HTH! > > -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ thanks, that seems perfect! I think we'll get eventually around being a licence. I've been using the free demo a couple of times for one-off tasks, but it appears to be constantly useful to me! Thanks to everybody else for responding, I appreciate it. -- cheers, Jakob. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
batch convert to MIF
Hi all, would it be possible to write a (or use an existing) tool for saving FM files (any version) as MIF without the need of the FrameMaker application to be running? I know we can use DZbatcher or similar tools, but these require FrameMaker to be available. Met vriendelijke groet / kind regards, Wim Hooghwinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] DTP and XML Management Scriptware bv http://www.scriptware.nl tel : +31 (0)23 548 48 84 fax : +31 (0)23 548 48 85 http://www.scriptware.nl [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Comparing WebWorks versions
> Ideally, we'd like to upgrade to the latest version of all software, > including FrameMaker v7.2 and WebWorks ePublisher Pro. However, > Sourcerer (which we absolutely rely on) does not yet support FrameMaker > v7.2. So for now we'll stick with Frame v7.1. I've had several users verify that Sourcerer works with Frame 7.2. We have not tested it ourselves, so we are not yet listing 7.2. as officially being "supported" on our website (www.advantica.biz/sourcerer). I would recommend that you try it again and then contact me if you encounter any problems. > Two of our team members are about to learn how to use WebWorks Publisher > Pro to create and modify templates. (Current team members know only how > to apply existing WWP templates.) However, at least one vendor I've > consulted no longer offers training on WebWorks Publisher Pro version 7; > it's simply too old. I'm wondering if we should upgrade to WebWorks > Publisher Pro 2003 or WebWorks ePublisher Pro. I would not recommend ePublisher Pro -- it is not ready for use with structured FrameMaker. There are rumors that the next service release will fix at least one major bug regarding structured cross-references. However, support for element-based mappings, which was supported in past versions of WebWorks and is an essential feature if you use structured FrameMaker, seems to be a long way off. If you do decide to use ePublisher Pro, you need to base your EDD solely on paragraph and character formats, and not use EDD context rules to "override" those formats. > There is one downside to upgrading: While our desktop publishers will > have WebWorks Publisher Pro, our authors will have only the WebWorks > Standard v7 that is included with purchase of FrameMaker. We previously > found that if we created templates in WWP Pro 2003, authors using WWP > Standard 7 couldn't output HTML using those templates. (That's why we > "downgraded" our WebWorks Pro licenses to version 7.) Having authors > capable of outputting their own HTML is a luxury for us, but not an > absolute need. You don't necessarily need a WebWorks license for each user. We only have two copies -- one is for the person who maintains our templates, and the other is installed on a shared PC that is available to any writer. All our builds are done on the shared PC. So you might be able to set up something similar to that. Regards, Gary This e-mail, and any attachments are strictly confidential and intended for the addressee(s) only. The content may also contain legal, professional or other privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately, by return of email, and then delete the e-mail and any attachments. You should not disclose, copy or take any action in reliance on this transmission. Please ensure you have adequate virus protection before you open or detach any documents from this transmission. __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: unavailable figures make Frame crash
Rick, Shlomo, thanks for your replies. On 25/01/06, Shlomo Perets <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jakob, > > You wrote: > > >we have the following problem on a couple of machines, with different > >documents: > > > >If, on opening a file with missing figures, the user chooses to skip > >this (and possibly all other figures), Frame crashes. > > > >Occurs on some machines, not all of them. Frame is +SGML 5.5.6, > >Windows is 2000 or XP. > > > >Any ideas why, and how to fix this? Thanks in advance. > > There is a known problem with FM6.0 or earlier used on Windows, causing > crashes related to missing graphics. > > A specific patch for FM6.0 is available for download from adobe.com: > http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=1420 > > There is a FM5.5.6 patch for this problem, offered by Systec. > See http://www.systec-gmbh.com/en/sites/downloads_epub.htm -- "Patches and > plug-ins", TOOLBOX plug-in for Adobe FrameMaker 5.5.6 under Windows XP > (free download). > I'm not sure whether the patch applies to FM+SGML 5.5.6 as well. > > > Shlomo Perets it turns out that the patch does work for +SGML 5.5.6 as well. At least, an additional menu entry shows up which simply (?) suppresses the missing figures dialogue box. thanks again for your responses. -- cheers, Jakob. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: POLL RESULTS: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?
John, Did any of the 35 who said they use the Character Catalog, especially the adamant ones, say why this method is preferred? (Sorry, I wasn't following the thread). Thanks. Pearl Rosenberg TeleHealth Services - Original Message - From: John Wilcox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 3:08 pm Subject: POLL RESULTS: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics? > > -Original Message- > > From: John Wilcox > > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 3:30 PM > > > This came up as a possible style standards issue here. > ... > > A. Click the B and I buttons, or press Ctrl+B and Ctrl+I. > > B. Select Bold and Emphasis from the Character Catalog. > > Of the 37 responses I got, 35 chose B or a variation thereof. > > Most of those 35 were so adamant that I doubt they will be > surprised at the > results, but I for one had no idea the vote would be so lop-sided. > > All of the variations mentioned involved creating and using use- > specificchar tags, such as BookTitle, VariableElement, NewTerm. > > Two people said that using WebWorks, the bold and italic > formatting would be > lost in the conversion, but I have not found this to be the case, > at least > in WWEP. > > Thanks to all who replied! As usual, the respondents comprise only > a tiny > fraction of the list membership, but I suppose they give a pretty good > snapshot of actual usage. > > > _ > Regards, > John Wilcox, Technical Writer > Zetron, Redmond > > > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/pearlrosenberg% 40nc.rr.com > Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: POLL RESULTS: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?
Hi Pearl, From the FrameMaker "User Guide" page 93: "Applying formats from catalogs is the easiest way to change the look of text and to ensure that your documents are formatted consistently. This consistency simplifies making changes later as well as converting documents to other formats such as HTML." Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com John, Did any of the 35 who said they use the Character Catalog, especially the adamant ones, say why this method is preferred? (Sorry, I wasn't following the thread). Thanks. Pearl Rosenberg TeleHealth Services ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
add Framers list to gmane.org?
Hello, for some of my recent Frame problems, I received very useful information through this mailing list. I would like to add references to these posts to our internal documentation, preferably just a URL per post. However, I'm not sure this is possible with the Lyris mailing list software (and its blasted, slow archive). Would it be a good idea to add this list to gmane.org? From the site: "This is what Gmane offers. Mailing lists are funneled into news groups. This isn't a new idea; several mail-to-news gateways exist. What's new with Gmane is that no messages are ever expired from the server, and the gateway is bidirectional. You can post to some of these mailing lists without being subscribed to them yourself, depending on whether the mailing lists allow non-subscribers to post or not. "In addition, Gmane does spam detection, cross-post handling, has a TMDA-fueled encryption/forwarding service, a web interface, respects X-No-Archive, supplies RSS feeds, uses SPF, features user-defined filters, gathers traffic statistics, and has a real-time indexing search engine." Obviously, email addresses are hidden from view and from harvesting. It's free. I have no relationship with gmane apart from being a very satisfied user. What do you think? Lisa? -- cheers, Jakob. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: add Framers list to gmane.org?
Jakob, not to be a party-pooper, but I'm not real hot on the idea of my posts possibly making their way into someone's documentation. > for some of my recent Frame problems, I received very useful > information through this mailing list. I would like to add > references to these posts to our internal documentation, > preferably just a URL per post. However, I'm not sure this > is possible with the Lyris John Posada Senior Technical Writer "So long and thanks for all the fish." ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: add Framers list to gmane.org?
John, On 26/01/06, John Posada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jakob, not to be a party-pooper, but I'm not real hot on the idea of > my posts possibly making their way into someone's documentation. ah, a misunderstanding: I intend to use these links just as references for internal howto documents to be shared with colleagues, not as an official documentation that will be distributed to clients, if that's your concern. -- cheers, Jakob. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: add Framers list to gmane.org?
> ah, a misunderstanding: I intend to use these links > just as references for internal howto documents to be > shared with colleagues, not as an official documentation > that will be distributed to clients, if that's > your concern. Sorry, Jakob, there was no misunderstanding. Why? you may have every intention of not making them public, but once they are in documentation, anything can happen; somepone else recycles what you create not knowing the restrictions, you leave and someone takes over the stuff and doesn't know, it's just an issue I'd rather not be involved with. John Posada Senior Technical Writer "So long and thanks for all the fish." ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: add Framers list to gmane.org?
John wrote: -> Why? you may have every intention of not making them public, -> but once they are in documentation, anything can happen; -> somepone else recycles what you create not knowing the -> restrictions, you leave and someone takes over the stuff and -> doesn't know, it's just an issue I'd rather not be involved with. Would copying and pasting into internal documetation be any better? I don't think so. -Niels -> -Original Message- -> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -> On Behalf Of John Posada -> Sent: 26. januar 2006 15:36 -> To: Jakob Fix; Framers List -> Subject: Re: add Framers list to gmane.org? -> -> > ah, a misunderstanding: I intend to use these links just -> as references -> > for internal howto documents to be shared with colleagues, -> not as an -> > official documentation that will be distributed to -> clients, if that's -> > your concern. -> -> Sorry, Jakob, there was no misunderstanding. -> -> Why? you may have every intention of not making them public, -> but once they are in documentation, anything can happen; -> somepone else recycles what you create not knowing the -> restrictions, you leave and someone takes over the stuff and -> doesn't know, it's just an issue I'd rather not be involved with. -> -> -> -> John Posada -> Senior Technical Writer -> -> "So long and thanks for all the fish." -> ___ -> -> -> You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] -> -> To unsubscribe send a blank email to -> [EMAIL PROTECTED] -> or visit -> http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/nfa%40maconomy.dk -> -> Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit -> http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -> ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: add Framers list to gmane.org?
> Would copying and pasting into internal documetation > be any better? > I don't think so. Chances are that if the information is copied and pasted, not everything ffrom the message is included...headers, sigs, and other attributes would be stripped out. A URL includes everything. I'm not going to justify why I don't like it. I just don't. I cannot stop it if it happens and I don't know about it and if I'm the only person that objects, I'm outvoted. I just said I don't like it. John Posada Senior Technical Writer "So long and thanks for all the fish." ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: add Framers list to gmane.org?
John, On 26/01/06, John Posada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ah, a misunderstanding: I intend to use these links > > just as references for internal howto documents to be > > shared with colleagues, not as an official documentation > > that will be distributed to clients, if that's > > your concern. > > Sorry, Jakob, there was no misunderstanding. oops? > Why? you may have every intention of not making them public, but once > they are in documentation, anything can happen; somepone else > recycles what you create not knowing the restrictions, you leave and > someone takes over the stuff and doesn't know, it's just an issue I'd > rather not be involved with. So, in essence, it seems this has absolutely nothing to do with my original request as to whether or not to add the mailing list to site such as http://gmane.org/ ? If I'd simply asked for "easy access to previous posts via a simple one-URL-per-post scheme instead of a long and not always successful search in the mailing list archive", you would have agreed, or wouldn't you? Of course, even now I can cut and paste, or print, or "save as", or even screen capture your contributions to this mailing list, whether you like it or not. But this is not my intention. I just want to be able to do this (an extract of a Howto document): "Further information == "The main download site for these utilities is here: http://www.systec-gmbh.com/en/sites/downloads_epub.php "Adobe acknowledges this problem for FrameMaker 6 and provides a patch, but not for 5.5.6. Patch is available here: http://www.adobe.com/support/downloads/detail.jsp?ftpID=1420 "See the Framers mailing list, search for the thread titled "unavailable figures make Frame crash"." The last phrase I'd like to replace by a URL to the original post of this thread. That's all. -- cheers, Jakob. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: add Framers list to gmane.org?
> If I'd simply asked for "easy access to previous > posts via a simple one-URL-per-post scheme instead > of a long and not always successful > search in the mailing list archive", you would have > agreed, or wouldn't you? If it means a direct URL to a post by non-members out of the control of the list, no, I wouldn't. Jakob..I'm not going to break everything down to it's smallest detail. I don't know gmane and it doesn't matter. I simply saw your post and it made me uncomfortable. You can do what you want how you want it. I'm just not giving it my blessing and I'm not spending any more time debating it. = John Posada Senior Technical Writer "So long and thanks for all the fish." ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: add Framers list to gmane.org?
Jakob, I believe, if you read the copyright notice on frameusers.com, you will see that ownership of posts is retained by the author. And I would submit that because the content of the site is copyrighted as a body, that body-of-work further documents each posting as belonging to the author. I eagerly await your contract proposal for assigning rights (and the subsequent royalty checks) for usage of my posts off the list, as I'm sure most members do. ;- ) Cheers, Art On 1/26/06, Jakob Fix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > for some of my recent Frame problems, I received very useful > information through this mailing list. I would like to add references > to these posts to our internal documentation, preferably just a URL > per post. However, I'm not sure this is possible with the Lyris > mailing list software (and its blasted, slow archive). > > Would it be a good idea to add this list to gmane.org? From the site: > > "This is what Gmane offers. Mailing lists are funneled into news > groups. This isn't a new idea; several mail-to-news gateways exist. > What's new with Gmane is that no messages are ever expired from the > server, and the gateway is bidirectional. You can post to some of > these mailing lists without being subscribed to them yourself, > depending on whether the mailing lists allow non-subscribers to post > or not. > > "In addition, Gmane does spam detection, cross-post handling, has a > TMDA-fueled encryption/forwarding service, a web interface, respects > X-No-Archive, supplies RSS feeds, uses SPF, features user-defined > filters, gathers traffic statistics, and has a real-time indexing > search engine." > > Obviously, email addresses are hidden from view and from harvesting. > It's free. I have no relationship with gmane apart from being a very > satisfied user. > > What do you think? Lisa? > > -- > cheers, > Jakob. -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: batch convert to MIF
If I were you, I'd ping Jeremy at Omsys, publishers of MIF2Go. If anyone knows or could do it, they'd be the guys... Art On 1/26/06, Wim Hooghwinkel (Scriptware) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > > would it be possible to write a (or use an existing) tool for saving FM files > (any version) as MIF without the need of the FrameMaker application to be > running? > > I know we can use DZbatcher or similar tools, but these require FrameMaker to > be available. > > > Met vriendelijke groet / kind regards, > > Wim Hooghwinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] > DTP and XML Management > > Scriptware bv http://www.scriptware.nl > tel : +31 (0)23 548 48 84 > fax : +31 (0)23 548 48 85 > http://www.scriptware.nl > [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: add Framers list to gmane.org?
Sorry, just found out that Framers is archived publicly with exactly what I need: http://www.mail-archive.com/framers@lists.frameusers.com/ All is well now (except maybe for John P. :-)) -- cheers, Jakob. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: add Framers list to gmane.org?
Art, I know I should refrain from replying ... but ... can't ... must ... answer. :-) On 26/01/06, Art Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jakob, > > I believe, if you read the copyright notice on frameusers.com, you > will see that ownership of posts is retained by the author. And I > would submit that because the content of the site is copyrighted as a > body, that body-of-work further documents each posting as belonging to > the author. Let's see: http://www.mail-archive.com/framers@lists.frameusers.com/msg00795.html How much is this link worth? And who does it belong to? Rick? The Framers mailing list? The mail-archive.com people? Just talking about the link, mind you. These are really interesting questions, and I won't think we will find a satisfying answer ("42" anyone?), but I also think nobody will be able to tell whether or not I put these links in an internal document or not. So I think I'm safe, for the moment :-). -- cheers, Jakob. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: add Framers list to gmane.org?
I'm so glad that the technical ability to do it has superceded the wishes of people who are taking their time to help other list members. I'm sure I can find instructions and links on the web to crack someone's IT enterprise. That must make it OK too. --- Jakob Fix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sorry, just found out that Framers is archived publicly with > exactly what I need: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers@lists.frameusers.com/ > > All is well now (except maybe for John P. :-)) John Posada Senior Technical Writer "So long and thanks for all the fish." ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Two Frame Issues
Doug, Although I don't recall a plug in (unless it's one of Microtype's customization tools), I think if you follow the directions in C:\Program Files\Adobe\FrameMaker7.0\OnlineManuals\Customizing_Frame_Products.pdf that detail how to modify the menu config files, you can remove whatever you want in a couple minutes. *** If Notepad corrupts your files, I'd suggest not using Notepad. Cheers, Art On 1/25/06, Doug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > When I click the Format menu option in FrameMaker, the Font, Size, and > Style options are available. Obviously this can lead to applying > format overrides. I believe someone has created a plug-in that will > disable and/or remove these options...can someone remind me what the > name of it is? > > Also, sometimes when I use Notepad to edit my Maker.ini file, it > becomes corrupted. The EOL markers seem to vanish, the whole thing > becomes a jumble, and Frame doesn't work properly until I restore an > uncorrupted version of the file. What's up with this/ > > Thanks, > > Doug > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: add Framers list to gmane.org?
I don't see anything in the archive site that implies that FM posts are not still copyright by the author. Art On 1/26/06, Jakob Fix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Art, > > I know I should refrain from replying ... but ... can't ... must ... answer. > :-) > > On 26/01/06, Art Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Jakob, > > > > I believe, if you read the copyright notice on frameusers.com, you > > will see that ownership of posts is retained by the author. And I > > would submit that because the content of the site is copyrighted as a > > body, that body-of-work further documents each posting as belonging to > > the author. > > Let's see: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers@lists.frameusers.com/msg00795.html > > How much is this link worth? And who does it belong to? Rick? The > Framers mailing list? The mail-archive.com people? Just talking about > the link, mind you. > > These are really interesting questions, and I won't think we will find > a satisfying answer ("42" anyone?), but I also think nobody will be > able to tell whether or not I put these links in an internal document > or not. So I think I'm safe, for the moment :-). > > -- > cheers, > Jakob. > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: add Framers list to gmane.org?
I'm not a lawyer (and I don't play one on TV, either), but I don't see how publication in any medium of a URL to an item in a publicly available archive infringes on the original poster's copyright. It seems to me that publishing a URL is analogous to publishing the ISBN number for a work published in hard. All you are doing is facilitating someone's ability to access the original work which is already publicly available. If you want to carry the copyright thing to such an extreme, how about forbidding the inclusion of any portion of the original posting in all replies? That seems to be more of a rights violation to me than publishing a URL to a public archive. My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel (particularly on intellectual property issues...) Fred Ridder Intel Parsippany, NJ From: Art Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Jakob Fix <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: Framers List Subject: Re: add Framers list to gmane.org? Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:43:53 -0500 I don't see anything in the archive site that implies that FM posts are not still copyright by the author. Art _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: add Framers list to gmane.org?
> a satisfying answer ("42" anyone?), but I also > think nobody will be able to tell whether or not >I put these links in an internal > document or not. So I think I'm safe, for the moment :-). Wrong. more than once I've received real voice phone calls from people who saw my name on a post, did some searching, and called me up. The most recent one was about a thread on PageMaker viewers that took place a couple of years ago. Or, I could get an email from someone at your company asking for more information. If that happens, I WILL be contacting your legal department on copyright infringement and I HAVE retained the posts on this thread as proof that I don't approve of my posts being used. Of course, you could sneak around the wishes that anyone else may have by remembering to just not use my post but ignore the wishes of anyone else, whether they've participated in thread or not. I don't think anyone else who practices copyright violation and gets caught expected to get caught either. John Posada Senior Technical Writer "So long and thanks for all the fish." ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: POLL RESULTS: Which method do you use to apply bold and italics?
I can't think of a better reason than what the guide (via Rick) says. * Hi Pearl, * From the FrameMaker "User Guide" page 93: * "Applying formats from catalogs is the easiest way to change the look of * text and to ensure that your documents are formatted consistently. This * consistency simplifies making changes later as well as converting documents * to other formats such as HTML." * Rick Quatro * Carmen Publishing * 585-659-8267 * www.frameexpert.com > John, > > Did any of the 35 who said they use the Character Catalog, especially > the adamant ones, say why this method is preferred? (Sorry, I wasn't > following the thread). > > Thanks. > Pearl Rosenberg > TeleHealth Services ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jonx.harvey%40intel. com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Two Frame Issues
Hello Doug, > Format menu option in FrameMaker, the Font, Size, and Style options > disable and/or remove these options There's a free FrameScript RemoveFontMenu.fsl at http://www.itl.de/html/englisch/consulting/fsl/itl-pool.html#misc It removes the "Font" menu from the Format menu and all context menus. Kind regards, Klaus Müller, itl AG --- Original Message --- From: Doug Date: 26.01.2006 00:14 > When I click the Format menu option in FrameMaker, the Font, Size, and > Style options are available. Obviously this can lead to applying > format overrides. I believe someone has created a plug-in that will > disable and/or remove these options...can someone remind me what the > name of it is? > > Also, sometimes when I use Notepad to edit my Maker.ini file, it > becomes corrupted. The EOL markers seem to vanish, the whole thing > becomes a jumble, and Frame doesn't work properly until I restore an > uncorrupted version of the file. What's up with this/ > > Thanks, > > Doug ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Comparing WebWorks versions
Hello Eileen, Just today I was asked by the IT coordinator of a client, why there is an upgrade of the well-known FrameScript plug-in within just 10 months after the last version. You know the rule: "Never change a running system." Why do you want/need to upgrade at all? Are there any problems with your current setup? Some thoughts: Since you are working with Sourcerer you seem to work with structured documents: Webworks ePublisher (WWeP) does not support structured documents at the moment. Unless you want to redesign your WWP conversion templates from scratch using WWP2003 wouldn't make a big difference compared to version 7, because the inner workings (a.k.a. Webworks Macro Language) are the same. WWP7 and WWP2003 share a technology which is in a kind-of end-of-life phase -- nevertheless I have quite a lot of clients which benefit from projects with WWP6, WWP7, or WWP2003 (remember: "Never change..."). WWeP internally uses XML and XSL. You could do the same based on your structured FM documents: Save the content as XML and use custom XSL transformations to create HTML. In some situations it might be a better idea to learn XSL (not simple, but a W3C standard!) instead of WebWorks Macro Language (also not simple!). Kind regards, - Michael On 26.01.2006 01:40, Anderson, Eileen schrieb/wrote: > My team is using structured FrameMaker v7.1, Sourcerer v1.11, and > WebWorks Publisher v7.0.6 to create single-source documents to output > for different audiences and media (including print, PDF, and HTML). > > Ideally, we'd like to upgrade to the latest version of all software, > including FrameMaker v7.2 and WebWorks ePublisher Pro. However, > Sourcerer (which we absolutely rely on) does not yet support FrameMaker > v7.2. So for now we'll stick with Frame v7.1. > > Two of our team members are about to learn how to use WebWorks Publisher > Pro to create and modify templates. (Current team members know only how > to apply existing WWP templates.) However, at least one vendor I've > consulted no longer offers training on WebWorks Publisher Pro version 7; > it's simply too old. I'm wondering if we should upgrade to WebWorks > Publisher Pro 2003 or WebWorks ePublisher Pro. > > There is one downside to upgrading: While our desktop publishers will > have WebWorks Publisher Pro, our authors will have only the WebWorks > Standard v7 that is included with purchase of FrameMaker. We previously > found that if we created templates in WWP Pro 2003, authors using WWP > Standard 7 couldn't output HTML using those templates. (That's why we > "downgraded" our WebWorks Pro licenses to version 7.) Having authors > capable of outputting their own HTML is a luxury for us, but not an > absolute need. > > So, Framers, this is where I'd like to benefit from your experience and > advice. > > - Have you used WebWorks ePublisher Pro? Do you find it offers > significant enhancements over prior versions of WebWorks Publisher Pro? > Is it compatible with FrameMaker version 7.1? > - Do you see a significant advantage in using WebWorks Publisher Pro > 2003 as compared to WebWorks Publisher Pro version 7? > - Do you have other thoughts on our situation or lessons learned from > your experiences with different WebWorks Publisher versions? > > Thanks! > > - Eileen Anderson > Manager of Curriculum Editing & Desktop Publishing > T-Mobile Customer Care Learning & Development > [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- _ Michael Müller-Hillebrand http://cap-studio.de/ WebWorks Publisher Support & Info http://wwp-support.info/ - Please make sure to send follow-up questions to the list. Contact me directly with business inquiries or comments. - ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: add Framers list to gmane.org?
Dear Jakob, I'm glad that you received useful information from the list. I have had exactly the same experience. I applaud your thought of sharing this bounty. However, using gmane.org, you can not do this fairly without contacting each person who signed up to Framers and asking each of them for permission to do it. If anyone refuses, you can not do it, period. I think other list users would agree. When anyone signs up for an e-mail list, they share information to that list. By doing that, they accept the list's privacy policy. I don't see a link to it on FrameUsers.com, but I'm sure one exists, if not in writing then in the minds of the lists' administrators. If you then put the e-mail list into any tool that exposes it beyond its intended audience, you've violated the privacy policy. I won't get into the legal aspects of this, since I'm sure another respondent will (if it hasn't happened already). Though your intentions are quite good, I am writing to remind you that you can't control gmane.org. If you want to publicize framers list, then publicize it and make individuals sign up for it. That forces them to break the barrier of anonymity. That is the right, honorable, and decent way to share information online. I hope that you will consider it in this light and do the right thing. Joe Joe Malin Technical Writer (408)625-1623 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.tuvox.com The views expressed in this document are those of the sender, and do not necessarily reflect those of TuVox, Inc. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jakob Fix Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 6:14 AM To: Framers List Subject: add Framers list to gmane.org? Hello, for some of my recent Frame problems, I received very useful information through this mailing list. I would like to add references to these posts to our internal documentation, preferably just a URL per post. However, I'm not sure this is possible with the Lyris mailing list software (and its blasted, slow archive). ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
MIF2Go Wash via MIF
Hi, guys...I must have missed something. What IS this MIF washing, anyway? What problem does it fix and what does it do? John Posada Senior Technical Writer "So long and thanks for all the fish." ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: add Framers list to gmane.org?
John Posada wrote: I could get an email from someone at your company asking for more information. If that happens, I WILL be contacting your legal department on copyright infringement and I HAVE retained the posts on this thread as proof that I don't approve of my posts being used. Of course, you could sneak around the wishes that anyone else may have by remembering to just not use my post but ignore the wishes of anyone else, whether they've participated in thread or not. I don't think anyone else who practices copyright violation and gets caught expected to get caught either. John, If you are of such strong opinion that simply publishing a URL (which is nothing more than an address) constitutes copyright violation, why did you ask us all to do it for you? ( http://tinyurl.com/8dn69 ) Do you also plan to threaten legal action against Google, Yahoo, and all the other search engines that publish links to your postings in response to keyword searches? Or have you just missed Jakob's point altogether, that he is not reproducing a single word of your copyright-protected public postings but is simply telling others that they exist and pointing to their location? I do not understand your reaction. -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers at phoenix-geophysics dot com "Please reinstall the application you want to remove." --Microsoft Windows 'unInstall Specialist' Get Firefox! http://tinyurl.com/8q9c5 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: MIF2Go Wash via MIF
An automated version of the two-aspirin fix: Save your problem FM file as MIF and open that file to see if the problem-causing drek has been removed... Art On 1/26/06, John Posada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, guys...I must have missed something. What IS this MIF washing, > anyway? What problem does it fix and what does it do? > > John Posada > Senior Technical Writer > > "So long and thanks for all the fish." > ___ -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: add Framers list to gmane.org?
Stuart...that is not even close to what I object to. Posting a fully formed URL for easier use by list members within the approved list community and posting a URL in a source I know nothing about, for use by people I know nothing about, used in a way and context I know nothing about are two completely different things. I assume you said what you did to get a response, not because it made any sense. > nothing more than an address) constitutes copyright > violation, why did > you ask us all to do it for you? ( http://tinyurl.com/8dn69 ) John Posada Senior Technical Writer "So long and thanks for all the fish." ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: add Framers list to gmane.org?
Joe just said what I was thinking -- and more articulately than I think I might have been. Jakob's thought was good, but the implementation has risks that appear not to have been thouroughly considered. (No fault there; I suspect that we've all been in that position -- I know that I certainly have!) The fact that we are able to have this conversation shows a degree of consideration and civility that is really refreshing. Thanks! Grant ___ Grant Hogarth Equis International - A Reuters Company [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Direct: (+1) 801.270.3180 Main Fax: 801.265.3999 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe Malin Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 10:11 AM To: Jakob Fix; Framers List Subject: RE: add Framers list to gmane.org? Dear Jakob, I'm glad that you received useful information from the list. I have had exactly the same experience. I applaud your thought of sharing this bounty. However, using gmane.org, you can not do this fairly without contacting each person who signed up to Framers and asking each of them for permission to do it. If anyone refuses, you can not do it, period. I think other list users would agree. When anyone signs up for an e-mail list, they share information to that list. By doing that, they accept the list's privacy policy. I don't see a link to it on FrameUsers.com, but I'm sure one exists, if not in writing then in the minds of the lists' administrators. If you then put the e-mail list into any tool that exposes it beyond its intended audience, you've violated the privacy policy. I won't get into the legal aspects of this, since I'm sure another respondent will (if it hasn't happened already). Though your intentions are quite good, I am writing to remind you that you can't control gmane.org. If you want to publicize framers list, then publicize it and make individuals sign up for it. That forces them to break the barrier of anonymity. That is the right, honorable, and decent way to share information online. I hope that you will consider it in this light and do the right thing. Joe Joe Malin ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: add Framers list to gmane.org?--Spam implications
Jakob Fix wrote: Sorry, just found out that Framers is archived publicly with exactly what I need: http://www.mail-archive.com/framers@lists.frameusers.com/ And to get back to my point from yesterday, if you click on any of these links, the email is shown as "<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> " so that spammers can't get the address... John ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: add Framers list to gmane.org?
This is probably all true and just a small maybe its not. However, I'll bet that Jakob's employers wouldn't want to be the subject of finding out if it is or not and should his corporate attorney receive correspondence from me, they'll going to make Jakob question how important the information in that post really was. --- Mark Levitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > John, > > It is highly unlikely you would have any success in suing for > copyright > infringement over an archive of a message you sent to a public > mailing list. John Posada Senior Technical Writer "So long and thanks for all the fish." ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: add Framers list to gmane.org?
If it gets that far, it is only because the request that I made on this forum was ignored. Besides...that isn't extortion. That would be if I came out of nowhere and threatened harm. I'd only be responding to what I perceive as harm made first to me. > > going to make Jakob question how important the information in > > that post really was. > > Yes, you can bully him into doing what you want by > threatening them with some sort of harm. That's usually > called extortion... John Posada Senior Technical Writer "So long and thanks for all the fish." ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: add Framers list to gmane.org?--Spam implications
> And to get back to my point from yesterday, if you > click on any of these links, the email is shown as > "<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> " so that spammers can't get the > address... I'm not concerned about spammers. I'm concerned about a solution or process being proposed internally with me being attributed as part of the solution, to find out that the solution was not exactly right for that problem. I check and recheck my internal documentation to make sure it is as accurate as I can make it and I stand behind it if something goes wrong. Becoming part of a solution for a problems I know nothing about and not being able to participate in making sure it is accurate is something I'd like to avoid. Remember...the purpose of his using the posts was for internal support documentation. Do you want your solutions to be the fixes to problems that you know nothing about? Trust me...chances are you can be contacted with blocked email addresses and all. Give you an example. I "think" I know where Jakob Fix is from, gmail address not withstanding. Almost anyone can be located with a name, some text strings from a post, and the will to find out. John Posada Senior Technical Writer "So long and thanks for all the fish." ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Who cares? [was gmane.org ad naseum]
U, abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ `1234567890-= [EMAIL PROTECTED]&*()_+ []\ {}| ;' :" ,./ <>? I think that's all the characters I can type. Now that I've typed them, put it into an email and sent it to the list, please do not ever use these characters or I will come after you in court, at your office and maybe even on the way to your appointment at 3:45 with the guy trying to help you with that issue related to your golf game. :) Google for this: "John Posada" frameusers 675 hits Yahoo: 147 hits Ask Jeeves 67 Alltheweb 103 search.aol.com 3 pages worth Teoma 67 Hopefully they all have permission :) I seriously think that this topic has gotten way goofy, even by my standards. If you don't want people to use what you write on the list either just send questions or send your answers directly to a person with the legal blather that says it's confidential. However, don't post to the group if you don't want them to use it. The whole purpose of this list is to make the life of Frame users better and this discussion doesn't do so. If it's in the public domain (which this list really is and so is the web at large) then it's likely tough to claim ownership. There are exceptions to the rule, but if someone links to a URL that is available to the public and wants to make it a reference point to go to for help, so be it. I think that most, if not all documentation carries the standard "if it works right, great, and if not then don't blame us" that legal wants. Relax people. It's just a link. It's just content that helps out people. If someone wants to connect to the list via a tool that is used internally or externally let them. I suggest that anyone who does not want to have content used by others stop sending suggestions to the list. Nice and easy. There's no point in posting the forum elsewhere as I get the results in a google search. (h, they have money, can we sue?) If people need to link to a valuable resource (read into that "postings on the list") then let them do so. That's what it is here for. Now, can we get back to doing real work? Bernard ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Who cares? [was gmane.org ad naseum]
I do. I'm sure I can find issues that you feel are important, to be trivial. However, I'll be refraining from from saying so because I also believe that people are allowed to express their concerns even if I'm not concerned about it. John Posada Senior Technical Writer "So long and thanks for all the fish." ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Who cares? [was gmane.org ad naseum]
Bernard, I think John's point (and mine, anyway) is that information on the forum is freely given. Some/most of us are professional writers who get paid for words; if we choose to give some away in this or other forumns, that's up to us. But they're still our words and we want them to be under our control as much as possible. I/we get upset when a site or individual steals, masssages, and presents the freely-given information to make a profit. Especially without letting me/us know. I don't have a problem accepting that you are willing to have others make a profit off your knowledge without $haring. But not all of us are that care free. Cheers, Art On 1/26/06, Bernard Aschwanden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > U, > > abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz > ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ > `1234567890-= > [EMAIL PROTECTED]&*()_+ > []\ > {}| > ;' > :" > ,./ > <>? -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Who cares? [was gmane.org ad naseum]
I'm totally self employed and count on the list, the users and Framers across the planet to pay me for what I do. If they don't I can't pay the bills. This list is one way to promote myself. Again, if you don't want your words used by others, then don't post to the list. It's really not that tough. Instead of sending to, cc'ing to or bcc'ing to the list, just send to, cc or bcc the people with the question. Or don't offer your input. Thanks by the way to the wide range of people who already pitched in to let me know "thanks for saying what we are thinking". For the record, I post a lot to this group. So do a lot of people who make their living selling the same support and services we offer here for free. To say that we don't get paid for it isn't totally true. It's good press. If you don't think that others should quote you it's really simple. Don't send to the list. Send to the individual. If your thoughts are worth that much, then hoard them and bottle it. Me, I post where and when I can and hope that the goodwill results in business. Generally it has. I guess that mean that I don't have a problem accepting that others make a profit (and I lose money) by posting here. If you aren't that care free then stop sending answers and just post your questions. Bernard -Original Message- From: Art Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 6:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Framers List Subject: Re: Who cares? [was gmane.org ad naseum] Bernard, I think John's point (and mine, anyway) is that information on the forum is freely given. Some/most of us are professional writers who get paid for words; if we choose to give some away in this or other forumns, that's up to us. But they're still our words and we want them to be under our control as much as possible. I/we get upset when a site or individual steals, masssages, and presents the freely-given information to make a profit. Especially without letting me/us know. I don't have a problem accepting that you are willing to have others make a profit off your knowledge without $haring. But not all of us are that care free. Cheers, Art On 1/26/06, Bernard Aschwanden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > U, > > abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz > ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ > `1234567890-= > [EMAIL PROTECTED]&*()_+ > []\ > {}| > ;' > :" > ,./ > <>? -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Who cares? [was gmane.org ad naseum]
Agreed. Freely given. Hence, if you get a penny it's a huge return on the investment. Besides, if people stay from others on a list like this it's pretty quickly known. There are several people on the list that I don't bother to reply to because off list others have mentioned issue that develop. By and large I trust to the 'good' in people and let it be at that. B -Original Message- From: Art Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 6:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Framers List Subject: Re: Who cares? [was gmane.org ad naseum] Bernard, I think John's point (and mine, anyway) is that information on the forum is freely given. Some/most of us are professional writers who get paid for words; if we choose to give some away in this or other forumns, that's up to us. But they're still our words and we want them to be under our control as much as possible. I/we get upset when a site or individual steals, masssages, and presents the freely-given information to make a profit. Especially without letting me/us know. I don't have a problem accepting that you are willing to have others make a profit off your knowledge without $haring. But not all of us are that care free. Cheers, Art On 1/26/06, Bernard Aschwanden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > U, > > abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz > ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ > `1234567890-= > [EMAIL PROTECTED]&*()_+ > []\ > {}| > ;' > :" > ,./ > <>? -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: batch convert to MIF
On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:24:32 -0500, Art Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >If I were you, I'd ping Jeremy at Omsys, publishers of MIF2Go. If >anyone knows or could do it, they'd be the guys... Thanks, Art! The short answer is "No". You cannot convert Frame .fm files to .mif *without* running FrameMaker. It would be a violation of the DMCA to do so, since .fm is a proprietary binary format you'd have to reverse-engineer. Don't do it. ;-) That said, if you want to convert bunches of .fm files to .mif using FrameMaker, the easiest way is with the Mif2Go plugin. This feature is fully usable in the Demo version, both technically and legally: http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm MIF is one of the supported formats listed when you use Mif2Go; you can save to a different directory, and still have a MIF file (with an .fm extension if you want) that will load correctly in the original directory, which is not the case if you SaveAs MIF in Frame itself. (Frame changes any relative paths.) This is what you want if you are archiving the MIF in CVS, Subversion, or some other SCCS; that's what we designed the feature for. And as with all other formats, you can convert a book with one command. HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: MIF2Go Wash via MIF
On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 09:28:32 -0800 (PST), John Posada <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Hi, guys...I must have missed something. What IS this MIF washing, >anyway? What problem does it fix and what does it do? We didn't invent this, just made it a lot easier to do, as a public service (since you don't have to buy Mif2Go to use the feature, just download the demo). The process is to save .fm files as .mif, then re-open the .mif and re-save as .fm over the original. Why? Well, the .fm format is binary with lots of linked lists, and sometimes it loses something it needs, perhaps as a result of an optimization of some sort. This results in the file not behaving as documented. Something may disappear, or display very strangely. Often, but not always, saving as MIF, an ASCII format, produces a cleaned-up version of the doc; when you reload it, the original problem is gone. This is frequent enough that it pays to try it first, rather than rekeying the file, or trying to find the exact trouble spot and fix it. Doing the SaveAs, close, reopen is a bit of a PITA, especially if you want to do it to a big book. We got tired of doing it ourselves, so we added it to Mif2Go as "Wash via MIF". ;-) -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
cross-reference problem
We are using unstructured FM 7.0. Our book contains several chapters. The files were moved from one location to another location. When the writer opened up the book, he received an "unresolved cross-reference" message. He did a Search on the unresolved-cross references and re-submitted the cross-references. He was able to generate the book, but the next time he opened the book, he received the "unresolved cross-reference" message again. It was the same cross-references. He corrected them again, and the whole cycle repeated itself. Does anyone have an idea of why this keeps happening and how we can resolve it? --- Janice Cadel Principal Technical Writer/Editor Hughes Network Systems, LLC 11717 Exploration Lane Germantown, MD 20876 301-601-7434 fax: 301-428-2801 --- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.