Re: FrameMaker Evangelist
On 6 Apr 2006, at 10:02, RJ Jacquez wrote:\ Thank you and I consider myself very fortunate to be back and to be part of a great FrameMaker team, and in general I believe that this is a great time to be a FrameMaker user and one of my main goals in my new job is to promote the product both inside and outside the Adobe. I have to disagree with you there, RJ. For me, 1990 through 2003 was the most enjoyable time as a FrameMaker user. The first two years on NeXT FrameMaker; the remaining on Mac FrameMaker. Since Adobe killed Mac FrameMaker, it's been the most frustrating and depressing computing experience I can remember. Good luck in your new job, btw. Paul ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FrameMaker Evangelist
> Hallejuah! In my recollection (which goes back well > before Adobe bought FrameMaker), you are the first > evangelist ever to be appointed by Adobe for > FrameMaker. What about the Good Doctor? -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter http://techcommdood.blogspot.com
Re: FrameMaker Evangelist
Hi Dan, You're right on the money, the title means exactly that, so I will do my best to make this happen with FrameMaker. BTW, I will be in the San Diego office, making periodic trips to San Jose whenever needed and of course conferences and other places where we are needed. Thanks, RJ On Apr 5, 2006, at 5:56 PM, Daniel Emory wrote: --- RJ Jacquez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi All, Just wanted to introduce myself to the group and share with you that as of Monday, I'm now the > FrameMaker Evangelist for Adobe Systems and so I'm looking forward to contributing to this group and being as involved and supportive as I can to everyone who uses FrameMaker. = Hallejuah! In my recollection (which goes back well before Adobe bought FrameMaker), you are the first evangelist ever to be appointed by Adobe for FrameMaker. If Adobe's title of evangelist still means what it did in an earlier time, your job includes promoting the product both within and outside of Adobe. Both are urgently needed. Will you be based in San Jose or elsewhere? Dan Emory & Associates FrameMaker/FrameMaker+SGML Document Design & Database Publishing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker Evangelist
Hi Andrew, Thank you and I consider myself very fortunate to be back and to be part of a great FrameMaker team, and in general I believe that this is a great time to be a FrameMaker user and one of my main goals in my new job is to promote the product both inside and outside the Adobe. Sincerely, RJ Jacquez Sr. FrameMaker Evangelist Adobe Systems On Apr 5, 2006, at 5:40 PM, Andrew Becraft wrote: Hi RJ, This is excellent news! I'd been wondering where you'd land after the eHelp>Macromedia>Adobe series of mergers and acquisitions. As Peter said, I can't think of a better person for this position. Congratulations, and best of luck! Andrew Becraft Senior Technical Writer Singlestep Technologies P: 206.838.7982 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Apr 5, 2006, at 3:56 PM, RJ Jacquez wrote: Hi All, Just wanted to introduce myself to the group and share with you that as of Monday, I'm now the FrameMaker Evangelist for Adobe Systems and so I'm looking forward to contributing to this group and being as involved and supportive as I can to everyone who uses FrameMaker. Sincerely, RJ Jacquez Sr. FrameMaker Evangelist Adobe Systems ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers- [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rjjacquez %40mac.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker Evangelist
Hi Bill, Good to hear from you, too. This is actually the third question about my .mac domain, but no, it has nothing to do with FrameMaker, it's actually one of those emails you get when you own a mac and since I was already signed up to this group using my personal email, I just kept it, but I will probably be updating my profile to reflect my adobe email moving forward. Anyhow, it's good to hear from you and everyone else who's welcomed me offline, so it feels good to be in a familiar and friendly place. Sincerely, RJ Jacquez Sr. FrameMaker Evangelist Adobe Systems On Apr 5, 2006, at 5:10 PM, Bill Swallow wrote: Hi RJ, Good to hear from you again. So, does your new position have anything to do with your email domain? *hehe* Seriously though, nice to see your name on the list again. Bill On 4/5/06, RJ Jacquez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just wanted to introduce myself to the group and share with you that as of Monday, I'm now the FrameMaker Evangelist for Adobe Systems and so I'm looking forward to contributing to this group and being as involved and supportive as I can to everyone who uses FrameMaker. -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter http://techcommdood.blogspot.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FrameMaker Evangelist
Hi RJ, Good to hear from you again. So, does your new position have anything to do with your email domain? *hehe* Seriously though, nice to see your name on the list again. Bill On 4/5/06, RJ Jacquez wrote: > Just wanted to introduce myself to the group and share with you that > as of Monday, I'm now the FrameMaker Evangelist for Adobe Systems and > so I'm looking forward to contributing to this group and being as > involved and supportive as I can to everyone who uses FrameMaker. -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter http://techcommdood.blogspot.com
Re: FrameMaker Evangelist
> Hallejuah! In my recollection (which goes back well > before Adobe bought FrameMaker), you are the first > evangelist ever to be appointed by Adobe for > FrameMaker. What about the Good Doctor? -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter http://techcommdood.blogspot.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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FrameMaker Evangelist
> Just wanted to introduce myself to the group and share with you that as > of Monday, I'm now the FrameMaker Evangelist for Adobe Systems and so I'm > looking forward to contributing to this group and being as involved and > supportive as I can to everyone who uses FrameMaker. > > I have been a long-time fan of FrameMaker and a user since the first > version of the product. Along the way, I have spent many years > delivering training on both Frame, Acrobat, RoboHelp, Captivate and other > tools. I also worked for Quadralay (makers of WebWorks) for a couple of > years, and as Product Manager for eHelp-Macromedia (makers of RoboHelp) > my team and I built RoboHelp for FrameMaker. Hello, RJ...I was wondering where you went off to. We communicated with each other when I was a beta tester for Robohelp for FrameMaker. Between you and me, while I have gone over to WWeP, I think RH4FM was a better product. Anyway...I hope your presence will 1) do much to make FM more current, and 2) help dispel the FM is dead chorus. Good luck in your new position. BTW...I too am starting a new position, with EMC, a rather large FM customer, so I have a professional stake is seeing FM prosper. John Posada Senior Technical Writer
FrameMaker Evangelist
Hi, RJ! I can't think of anyone who'd be a better fit as a FrameMaker evangelist for Adobe. Congratulations and best wishes for continuing your track record of successes. Regards, Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices At 3:56 PM -0700 4/5/06, RJ Jacquez wrote: >Hi All, > >Just wanted to introduce myself to the group and share with you that >as of Monday, I'm now the FrameMaker Evangelist for Adobe Systems >and so I'm looking forward to contributing to this group and being >as involved and supportive as I can to everyone who uses FrameMaker.
Re: FrameMaker Evangelist
This is good news :) FM doesn't get anywhere near the promotion it needs in these parts. Maybe, RJ, you can squeeze in a working holiday to the Southern Hemisphere. Cheers Alan RJ Jacquez said: > Hi All, > > Just wanted to introduce myself to the group and share with you that as of > Monday, I'm now the FrameMaker Evangelist for Adobe Systems and so I'm > looking forward to contributing to this group and being as involved and > supportive as I can to everyone who uses FrameMaker. > -- Alan Litchfield MBus (Hons), MNZCS AlphaByte PO Box 1941, Auckland http://www.alphabyte.co.nz ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FrameMaker Evangelist
Hi Dan, You're right on the money, the title means exactly that, so I will do my best to make this happen with FrameMaker. BTW, I will be in the San Diego office, making periodic trips to San Jose whenever needed and of course conferences and other places where we are needed. Thanks, RJ On Apr 5, 2006, at 5:56 PM, Daniel Emory wrote: --- RJ Jacquez wrote: > Hi All, > Just wanted to introduce myself to the group and > share with you that as of Monday, I'm now the > FrameMaker Evangelist for Adobe Systems and > so I'm looking forward to contributing to this group > and being as involved and supportive as I can to > everyone who uses FrameMaker. = Hallejuah! In my recollection (which goes back well before Adobe bought FrameMaker), you are the first evangelist ever to be appointed by Adobe for FrameMaker. If Adobe's title of evangelist still means what it did in an earlier time, your job includes promoting the product both within and outside of Adobe. Both are urgently needed. Will you be based in San Jose or elsewhere? Dan Emory & Associates FrameMaker/FrameMaker+SGML Document Design & Database Publishing
FrameMaker Evangelist
Hi Andrew, Thank you and I consider myself very fortunate to be back and to be part of a great FrameMaker team, and in general I believe that this is a great time to be a FrameMaker user and one of my main goals in my new job is to promote the product both inside and outside the Adobe. Sincerely, RJ Jacquez Sr. FrameMaker Evangelist Adobe Systems On Apr 5, 2006, at 5:40 PM, Andrew Becraft wrote: Hi RJ, This is excellent news! I'd been wondering where you'd land after the eHelp>Macromedia>Adobe series of mergers and acquisitions. As Peter said, I can't think of a better person for this position. Congratulations, and best of luck! Andrew Becraft Senior Technical Writer Singlestep Technologies P: 206.838.7982 E: andrewb at singlestep.com On Apr 5, 2006, at 3:56 PM, RJ Jacquez wrote: > Hi All, > > Just wanted to introduce myself to the group and share with you > that as of Monday, I'm now the FrameMaker Evangelist for Adobe > Systems and so I'm looking forward to contributing to this group > and being as involved and supportive as I can to everyone who uses > FrameMaker. > > > > Sincerely, > > RJ Jacquez > Sr. FrameMaker Evangelist > Adobe Systems ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as rjjacquez at mac.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers- unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rjjacquez %40mac.com Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker Evangelist
--- RJ Jacquez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi All, > Just wanted to introduce myself to the group and > share with you that as of Monday, I'm now the > FrameMaker Evangelist for Adobe Systems and > so I'm looking forward to contributing to this group > and being as involved and supportive as I can to > everyone who uses FrameMaker. = Hallejuah! In my recollection (which goes back well before Adobe bought FrameMaker), you are the first evangelist ever to be appointed by Adobe for FrameMaker. If Adobe's title of evangelist still means what it did in an earlier time, your job includes promoting the product both within and outside of Adobe. Both are urgently needed. Will you be based in San Jose or elsewhere? Dan Emory & Associates FrameMaker/FrameMaker+SGML Document Design & Database Publishing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FrameMaker Evangelist
--- RJ Jacquez wrote: > Hi All, > Just wanted to introduce myself to the group and > share with you that as of Monday, I'm now the > FrameMaker Evangelist for Adobe Systems and > so I'm looking forward to contributing to this group > and being as involved and supportive as I can to > everyone who uses FrameMaker. = Hallejuah! In my recollection (which goes back well before Adobe bought FrameMaker), you are the first evangelist ever to be appointed by Adobe for FrameMaker. If Adobe's title of evangelist still means what it did in an earlier time, your job includes promoting the product both within and outside of Adobe. Both are urgently needed. Will you be based in San Jose or elsewhere? Dan Emory & Associates FrameMaker/FrameMaker+SGML Document Design & Database Publishing
Re: FrameMaker Evangelist
Hi RJ, This is excellent news! I'd been wondering where you'd land after the eHelp>Macromedia>Adobe series of mergers and acquisitions. As Peter said, I can't think of a better person for this position. Congratulations, and best of luck! Andrew Becraft Senior Technical Writer Singlestep Technologies P: 206.838.7982 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Apr 5, 2006, at 3:56 PM, RJ Jacquez wrote: Hi All, Just wanted to introduce myself to the group and share with you that as of Monday, I'm now the FrameMaker Evangelist for Adobe Systems and so I'm looking forward to contributing to this group and being as involved and supportive as I can to everyone who uses FrameMaker. Sincerely, RJ Jacquez Sr. FrameMaker Evangelist Adobe Systems ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FrameMaker Evangelist
Hi RJ, This is excellent news! I'd been wondering where you'd land after the eHelp>Macromedia>Adobe series of mergers and acquisitions. As Peter said, I can't think of a better person for this position. Congratulations, and best of luck! Andrew Becraft Senior Technical Writer Singlestep Technologies P: 206.838.7982 E: andrewb at singlestep.com On Apr 5, 2006, at 3:56 PM, RJ Jacquez wrote: > Hi All, > > Just wanted to introduce myself to the group and share with you that > as of Monday, I'm now the FrameMaker Evangelist for Adobe Systems and > so I'm looking forward to contributing to this group and being as > involved and supportive as I can to everyone who uses FrameMaker. > > > > Sincerely, > > RJ Jacquez > Sr. FrameMaker Evangelist > Adobe Systems
FrameMaker Evangelist
Hi Bill, Good to hear from you, too. This is actually the third question about my .mac domain, but no, it has nothing to do with FrameMaker, it's actually one of those emails you get when you own a mac and since I was already signed up to this group using my personal email, I just kept it, but I will probably be updating my profile to reflect my adobe email moving forward. Anyhow, it's good to hear from you and everyone else who's welcomed me offline, so it feels good to be in a familiar and friendly place. Sincerely, RJ Jacquez Sr. FrameMaker Evangelist Adobe Systems On Apr 5, 2006, at 5:10 PM, Bill Swallow wrote: Hi RJ, Good to hear from you again. So, does your new position have anything to do with your email domain? *hehe* Seriously though, nice to see your name on the list again. Bill On 4/5/06, RJ Jacquez wrote: > Just wanted to introduce myself to the group and share with you that > as of Monday, I'm now the FrameMaker Evangelist for Adobe Systems and > so I'm looking forward to contributing to this group and being as > involved and supportive as I can to everyone who uses FrameMaker. -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter http://techcommdood.blogspot.com
Re: FrameMaker Evangelist
Hi RJ, Good to hear from you again. So, does your new position have anything to do with your email domain? *hehe* Seriously though, nice to see your name on the list again. Bill On 4/5/06, RJ Jacquez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Just wanted to introduce myself to the group and share with you that > as of Monday, I'm now the FrameMaker Evangelist for Adobe Systems and > so I'm looking forward to contributing to this group and being as > involved and supportive as I can to everyone who uses FrameMaker. -- Bill Swallow HATT List Owner WWP-Users List Owner Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter http://techcommdood.blogspot.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker Evangelist
Hi, RJ! I can't think of anyone who'd be a better fit as a FrameMaker evangelist for Adobe. Congratulations and best wishes for continuing your track record of successes. Regards, Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices At 3:56 PM -0700 4/5/06, RJ Jacquez wrote: Hi All, Just wanted to introduce myself to the group and share with you that as of Monday, I'm now the FrameMaker Evangelist for Adobe Systems and so I'm looking forward to contributing to this group and being as involved and supportive as I can to everyone who uses FrameMaker. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Re: FrameMaker Evangelist
Just wanted to introduce myself to the group and share with you that as of Monday, I'm now the FrameMaker Evangelist for Adobe Systems and so I'm looking forward to contributing to this group and being as involved and supportive as I can to everyone who uses FrameMaker. I have been a long-time fan of FrameMaker and a user since the first version of the product. Along the way, I have spent many years delivering training on both Frame, Acrobat, RoboHelp, Captivate and other tools. I also worked for Quadralay (makers of WebWorks) for a couple of years, and as Product Manager for eHelp-Macromedia (makers of RoboHelp) my team and I built RoboHelp for FrameMaker. Hello, RJ...I was wondering where you went off to. We communicated with each other when I was a beta tester for Robohelp for FrameMaker. Between you and me, while I have gone over to WWeP, I think RH4FM was a better product. Anyway...I hope your presence will 1) do much to make FM more current, and 2) help dispel the FM is dead chorus. Good luck in your new position. BTW...I too am starting a new position, with EMC, a rather large FM customer, so I have a professional stake is seeing FM prosper. John Posada Senior Technical Writer ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Versioning software
We use Perforce, and having had the occasion to use both CVS and SourceSafe, I completely agree with Catherine. Betty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Catherine Woods Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:42 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Versioning software We used to use SourceSafe and CVS. They were okay. Then the company changed to Perforce, which I found so much easier to use and was a lot more user-friendly. Catherine -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gillian Flato Sent: April 5, 2006 1:36 PM To: Lorian Gans; Kevin Rusnak; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Versioning software I like CVS. Thanks, Gillian Flato -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lorian Gans Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:30 PM To: Kevin Rusnak; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Versioning software Hi, Kevin - We do use SourceSafe, not only for the fm files, but all the project and related files as well. It does have it's quirks, but seems to work well for us. hth Lorian Gans Technical Writer Cougar Mountain Software (208) 375-4455 ext. 147 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.cougarmtn.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Rusnak Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:54 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Versioning software What do you all like to use to backup and version your frame files? Is Source Safe an industry favorite? Kevin Kevin C. Rusnak, CDIA+ E-Learning Development Specialist, Technical Services Hyland Software, Inc. 440.788.5609 440.788.5709 (fax) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.onbase.com 28500 Clemens Road Westlake, OH 44145 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message and any attached documents may contain confidential information from Hyland Software, Inc. The information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for the delivery of this message to the intended recipient, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message or of any attached documents, or the taking of any action or omission to take any action in reliance on the contents of this message or of any attached documents, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail or telephone, at (440) 788-5000, and delete the original message immediately. Thank you. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/loriangans%40cougarm tn.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/gflato%40nanometrics .com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose. If you are not the intended recipient, delete this message. If you are not the intended recipient, disclosing, copying, distributing, or taking any action based on this message is strictly prohibited. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/catwood%40telus.net Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/blabine%40narus.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http
Versioning software
We use Perforce, and having had the occasion to use both CVS and SourceSafe, I completely agree with Catherine. Betty -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+blabine=narus@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+blabine=narus.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Catherine Woods Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:42 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Versioning software We used to use SourceSafe and CVS. They were okay. Then the company changed to Perforce, which I found so much easier to use and was a lot more user-friendly. Catherine -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+catwood=telus@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+catwood=telus.net at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Gillian Flato Sent: April 5, 2006 1:36 PM To: Lorian Gans; Kevin Rusnak; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Versioning software I like CVS. Thanks, Gillian Flato -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+gflato=nanometrics@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+gflato=nanometrics.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lorian Gans Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:30 PM To: Kevin Rusnak; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Versioning software Hi, Kevin - We do use SourceSafe, not only for the fm files, but all the project and related files as well. It does have it's quirks, but seems to work well for us. hth Lorian Gans Technical Writer Cougar Mountain Software (208) 375-4455 ext. 147 LorianGans at cougarmtn.com www.cougarmtn.com -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+loriangans=cougarmtn@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+loriangans=cougarmtn.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Rusnak Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:54 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Versioning software What do you all like to use to backup and version your frame files? Is Source Safe an industry favorite? Kevin Kevin C. Rusnak, CDIA+ E-Learning Development Specialist, Technical Services Hyland Software, Inc. 440.788.5609 440.788.5709 (fax) kevin.rusnak at onbase.com www.onbase.com 28500 Clemens Road Westlake, OH 44145 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message and any attached documents may contain confidential information from Hyland Software, Inc. The information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for the delivery of this message to the intended recipient, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message or of any attached documents, or the taking of any action or omission to take any action in reliance on the contents of this message or of any attached documents, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail or telephone, at (440) 788-5000, and delete the original message immediately. Thank you. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as loriangans at cougarmtn.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/loriangans%40cougarm tn.com Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as gflato at nanometrics.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/gflato%40nanometrics .com Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose. If you are not the intended recipient, delete this message. If you are not the intended recipient, disclosing, copying, distributing, or taking any action based on this message is strictly prohibited. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as catwood at telus.net. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/catwood%40telus.net Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as blabine at narus.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at
FrameMaker Evangelist
Hi All, Just wanted to introduce myself to the group and share with you that as of Monday, I'm now the FrameMaker Evangelist for Adobe Systems and so I'm looking forward to contributing to this group and being as involved and supportive as I can to everyone who uses FrameMaker. I have been a long-time fan of FrameMaker and a user since the first version of the product. Along the way, I have spent many years delivering training on both Frame, Acrobat, RoboHelp, Captivate and other tools. I also worked for Quadralay (makers of WebWorks) for a couple of years, and as Product Manager for eHelp-Macromedia (makers of RoboHelp) my team and I built RoboHelp for FrameMaker. Anyhow, just wanted to say hi and let you know that several members of the FrameMaker team will be in the Adobe booth at the WritersUA conference, so if you are there, please stop by and say hello. We will also be in Las Vegas for the STC conference, so I look forward to seeing you there as well. BTW, we just posted the FrameMaker 7.2 try out software, so feel free to download it at: http://www.adobe.com/products/tryadobe/ main.jsp#product=22 Sincerely, RJ Jacquez Sr. FrameMaker Evangelist Adobe Systems ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FrameMaker Evangelist
Hi All, Just wanted to introduce myself to the group and share with you that as of Monday, I'm now the FrameMaker Evangelist for Adobe Systems and so I'm looking forward to contributing to this group and being as involved and supportive as I can to everyone who uses FrameMaker. I have been a long-time fan of FrameMaker and a user since the first version of the product. Along the way, I have spent many years delivering training on both Frame, Acrobat, RoboHelp, Captivate and other tools. I also worked for Quadralay (makers of WebWorks) for a couple of years, and as Product Manager for eHelp-Macromedia (makers of RoboHelp) my team and I built RoboHelp for FrameMaker. Anyhow, just wanted to say hi and let you know that several members of the FrameMaker team will be in the Adobe booth at the WritersUA conference, so if you are there, please stop by and say hello. We will also be in Las Vegas for the STC conference, so I look forward to seeing you there as well. BTW, we just posted the FrameMaker 7.2 try out software, so feel free to download it at: http://www.adobe.com/products/tryadobe/ main.jsp#product=22 Sincerely, RJ Jacquez Sr. FrameMaker Evangelist Adobe Systems
Versioning software
What do you all like to use to backup and version your frame files? Is Source Safe an industry favorite? Kevin Kevin C. Rusnak, CDIA+ E-Learning Development Specialist, Technical Services Hyland Software, Inc. 440.788.5609 440.788.5709 (fax) kevin.rusnak at onbase.com www.onbase.com 28500 Clemens Road Westlake, OH 44145 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message and any attached documents may contain confidential information from Hyland Software, Inc. The information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for the delivery of this message to the intended recipient, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message or of any attached documents, or the taking of any action or omission to take any action in reliance on the contents of this message or of any attached documents, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail or telephone, at (440) 788-5000, and delete the original message immediately. Thank you.
Versioning software
Hi, Kevin - We do use SourceSafe, not only for the fm files, but all the project and related files as well. It does have it's quirks, but seems to work well for us. hth Lorian Gans Technical Writer Cougar Mountain Software (208) 375-4455 ext. 147 LorianGans at cougarmtn.com www.cougarmtn.com -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+loriangans=cougarmtn@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+loriangans=cougarmtn.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Rusnak Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:54 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Versioning software What do you all like to use to backup and version your frame files? Is Source Safe an industry favorite? Kevin Kevin C. Rusnak, CDIA+ E-Learning Development Specialist, Technical Services Hyland Software, Inc. 440.788.5609 440.788.5709 (fax) kevin.rusnak at onbase.com www.onbase.com 28500 Clemens Road Westlake, OH 44145 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message and any attached documents may contain confidential information from Hyland Software, Inc. The information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for the delivery of this message to the intended recipient, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message or of any attached documents, or the taking of any action or omission to take any action in reliance on the contents of this message or of any attached documents, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail or telephone, at (440) 788-5000, and delete the original message immediately. Thank you. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as loriangans at cougarmtn.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/loriangans%40cougarm tn.com Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Versioning software
I like Perforce, too. Jim Light -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Catherine Woods Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:42 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Versioning software We used to use SourceSafe and CVS. They were okay. Then the company changed to Perforce, which I found so much easier to use and was a lot more user-friendly. Catherine -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gillian Flato Sent: April 5, 2006 1:36 PM To: Lorian Gans; Kevin Rusnak; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Versioning software I like CVS. Thanks, Gillian Flato -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lorian Gans Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:30 PM To: Kevin Rusnak; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Versioning software Hi, Kevin - We do use SourceSafe, not only for the fm files, but all the project and related files as well. It does have it's quirks, but seems to work well for us. hth Lorian Gans Technical Writer Cougar Mountain Software (208) 375-4455 ext. 147 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.cougarmtn.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Rusnak Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:54 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Versioning software What do you all like to use to backup and version your frame files? Is Source Safe an industry favorite? Kevin Kevin C. Rusnak, CDIA+ E-Learning Development Specialist, Technical Services Hyland Software, Inc. 440.788.5609 440.788.5709 (fax) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.onbase.com 28500 Clemens Road Westlake, OH 44145 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message and any attached documents may contain confidential information from Hyland Software, Inc. The information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for the delivery of this message to the intended recipient, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message or of any attached documents, or the taking of any action or omission to take any action in reliance on the contents of this message or of any attached documents, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail or telephone, at (440) 788-5000, and delete the original message immediately. Thank you. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/loriangans%40cougarm tn.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/gflato%40nanometrics .com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose. If you are not the intended recipient, delete this message. If you are not the intended recipient, disclosing, copying, distributing, or taking any action based on this message is strictly prohibited. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/catwood%40telus.net Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jlight%40pillardata. com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Versioning software
I like Perforce, too. Jim Light -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+jlight=pillardata@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+jlight=pillardata.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Catherine Woods Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:42 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Versioning software We used to use SourceSafe and CVS. They were okay. Then the company changed to Perforce, which I found so much easier to use and was a lot more user-friendly. Catherine -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+catwood=telus@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+catwood=telus.net at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Gillian Flato Sent: April 5, 2006 1:36 PM To: Lorian Gans; Kevin Rusnak; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Versioning software I like CVS. Thanks, Gillian Flato -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+gflato=nanometrics@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+gflato=nanometrics.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lorian Gans Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:30 PM To: Kevin Rusnak; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Versioning software Hi, Kevin - We do use SourceSafe, not only for the fm files, but all the project and related files as well. It does have it's quirks, but seems to work well for us. hth Lorian Gans Technical Writer Cougar Mountain Software (208) 375-4455 ext. 147 LorianGans at cougarmtn.com www.cougarmtn.com -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+loriangans=cougarmtn@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+loriangans=cougarmtn.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Rusnak Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:54 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Versioning software What do you all like to use to backup and version your frame files? Is Source Safe an industry favorite? Kevin Kevin C. Rusnak, CDIA+ E-Learning Development Specialist, Technical Services Hyland Software, Inc. 440.788.5609 440.788.5709 (fax) kevin.rusnak at onbase.com www.onbase.com 28500 Clemens Road Westlake, OH 44145 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message and any attached documents may contain confidential information from Hyland Software, Inc. The information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for the delivery of this message to the intended recipient, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message or of any attached documents, or the taking of any action or omission to take any action in reliance on the contents of this message or of any attached documents, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail or telephone, at (440) 788-5000, and delete the original message immediately. Thank you. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as loriangans at cougarmtn.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/loriangans%40cougarm tn.com Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as gflato at nanometrics.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/gflato%40nanometrics .com Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose. If you are not the intended recipient, delete this message. If you are not the intended recipient, disclosing, copying, distributing, or taking any action based on this message is strictly prohibited. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as catwood at telus.net. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/catwood%40telus.net Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as jlight at pillardata.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/f
Blank pages [WAS: Framers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 23]
I think the problem here is that with technical manuals you are addressing people of different ethnic origins, languages etc. Many foreigners can read the "English jargon" they have learned that relates to their jobs and interests, but may have problem reading regular text or "jargon" relating to other technical fields such as publishing and printing. I have had questions from several people: "What does pagination mean?" "Intentionally Left Blank" serves the purpose of indicating in words comprehensible to most that there is no contents missing on that page -- that the page is not blank by accident, s.a. duplicate paper feed etc. So if we want to change this the text must be replaced by some other text easily understandable by foreigners that have only minor general konwledge in English. Bodvar Bjorgvinsson Supervisor Publishing, Flight Support Air Atlanta Icelandic On 3/24/06, Keith Smyth wrote: > >RE: Paragraph tag with Frame below >At my last contract (I am retired now), we put "This page added for >pagination purposes" on the otherwise blank page, headers and footers >included. Received compliments from the customers, as it made more sense to >them that "This page intentionally left blank" and no reason given. > > ...and of course I forgot to include the link the first time = ugh! > > [1]http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/alabaster/A676280 > > > The writer of this piece is close when they write 'Some theorise that it is a > * > koan*, a statement devoid of meaning designed to bring the minds of those that > read it to a higher state of being.' In fact, the point is that a completely > bl > ank page is representative of the Ultimate Void, a state of Complete > Nothingnes > s - and this scares those who have not yet reached the aforementioned higher > st > ate of being. A completely blank page just looks *wrong*, it's deeply > unsettlin > g. > > I have more than often been asked to add an 'intentionally left blank' logo, > be > cause 'otherwise our readers will think it's a mistake'. The issue arises > regul > arly with blank trailing pages of chapters of books where the chapter opener > fa > lls on a right-hand page. > > So, folks, don't terrify your readers - at least add a page number, which can > r > epresent the sound of one hand clapping in the Void ;-) > > If clients demand more, I suggest a legally-watertight non-contradictory > constr > uction along the lines of: > > 'This page is intentional left void of meaningful content other than this > parag > raph, which, for the avoidance of doubt, represents content that is intended > to > denote only the absence of content'. > > > -- > Keith L. Smyth > President > Smyth Consulting > - > Many times I really wonder whether a God > subtle enough to have invented Quantum > Mechanics would really be interested in having > people deliver rote prayers and swing incense > pots in his direction. > - > Technical Documentation Consultant > > References > >1. http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/alabaster/A676280 > ___ > >
RE: Versioning software
We used to use SourceSafe and CVS. They were okay. Then the company changed to Perforce, which I found so much easier to use and was a lot more user-friendly. Catherine -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gillian Flato Sent: April 5, 2006 1:36 PM To: Lorian Gans; Kevin Rusnak; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Versioning software I like CVS. Thanks, Gillian Flato -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lorian Gans Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:30 PM To: Kevin Rusnak; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Versioning software Hi, Kevin - We do use SourceSafe, not only for the fm files, but all the project and related files as well. It does have it's quirks, but seems to work well for us. hth Lorian Gans Technical Writer Cougar Mountain Software (208) 375-4455 ext. 147 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.cougarmtn.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Rusnak Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:54 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Versioning software What do you all like to use to backup and version your frame files? Is Source Safe an industry favorite? Kevin Kevin C. Rusnak, CDIA+ E-Learning Development Specialist, Technical Services Hyland Software, Inc. 440.788.5609 440.788.5709 (fax) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.onbase.com 28500 Clemens Road Westlake, OH 44145 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message and any attached documents may contain confidential information from Hyland Software, Inc. The information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for the delivery of this message to the intended recipient, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message or of any attached documents, or the taking of any action or omission to take any action in reliance on the contents of this message or of any attached documents, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail or telephone, at (440) 788-5000, and delete the original message immediately. Thank you. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/loriangans%40cougarm tn.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/gflato%40nanometrics .com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose. If you are not the intended recipient, delete this message. If you are not the intended recipient, disclosing, copying, distributing, or taking any action based on this message is strictly prohibited. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/catwood%40telus.net Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Versioning software
We used to use SourceSafe and CVS. They were okay. Then the company changed to Perforce, which I found so much easier to use and was a lot more user-friendly. Catherine -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+catwood=telus@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+catwood=telus.net at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Gillian Flato Sent: April 5, 2006 1:36 PM To: Lorian Gans; Kevin Rusnak; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Versioning software I like CVS. Thanks, Gillian Flato -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+gflato=nanometrics@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+gflato=nanometrics.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lorian Gans Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:30 PM To: Kevin Rusnak; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Versioning software Hi, Kevin - We do use SourceSafe, not only for the fm files, but all the project and related files as well. It does have it's quirks, but seems to work well for us. hth Lorian Gans Technical Writer Cougar Mountain Software (208) 375-4455 ext. 147 LorianGans at cougarmtn.com www.cougarmtn.com -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+loriangans=cougarmtn@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+loriangans=cougarmtn.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Rusnak Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:54 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Versioning software What do you all like to use to backup and version your frame files? Is Source Safe an industry favorite? Kevin Kevin C. Rusnak, CDIA+ E-Learning Development Specialist, Technical Services Hyland Software, Inc. 440.788.5609 440.788.5709 (fax) kevin.rusnak at onbase.com www.onbase.com 28500 Clemens Road Westlake, OH 44145 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message and any attached documents may contain confidential information from Hyland Software, Inc. The information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for the delivery of this message to the intended recipient, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message or of any attached documents, or the taking of any action or omission to take any action in reliance on the contents of this message or of any attached documents, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail or telephone, at (440) 788-5000, and delete the original message immediately. Thank you. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as loriangans at cougarmtn.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/loriangans%40cougarm tn.com Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as gflato at nanometrics.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/gflato%40nanometrics .com Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose. If you are not the intended recipient, delete this message. If you are not the intended recipient, disclosing, copying, distributing, or taking any action based on this message is strictly prohibited. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as catwood at telus.net. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/catwood%40telus.net Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Versioning software
I like CVS. Thanks, Gillian Flato -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lorian Gans Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:30 PM To: Kevin Rusnak; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Versioning software Hi, Kevin - We do use SourceSafe, not only for the fm files, but all the project and related files as well. It does have it's quirks, but seems to work well for us. hth Lorian Gans Technical Writer Cougar Mountain Software (208) 375-4455 ext. 147 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.cougarmtn.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Rusnak Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:54 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Versioning software What do you all like to use to backup and version your frame files? Is Source Safe an industry favorite? Kevin Kevin C. Rusnak, CDIA+ E-Learning Development Specialist, Technical Services Hyland Software, Inc. 440.788.5609 440.788.5709 (fax) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.onbase.com 28500 Clemens Road Westlake, OH 44145 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message and any attached documents may contain confidential information from Hyland Software, Inc. The information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for the delivery of this message to the intended recipient, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message or of any attached documents, or the taking of any action or omission to take any action in reliance on the contents of this message or of any attached documents, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail or telephone, at (440) 788-5000, and delete the original message immediately. Thank you. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/loriangans%40cougarm tn.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/gflato%40nanometrics .com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose. If you are not the intended recipient, delete this message. If you are not the intended recipient, disclosing, copying, distributing, or taking any action based on this message is strictly prohibited. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Versioning software
I like CVS. Thanks, Gillian Flato -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+gflato=nanometrics@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+gflato=nanometrics.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lorian Gans Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:30 PM To: Kevin Rusnak; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Versioning software Hi, Kevin - We do use SourceSafe, not only for the fm files, but all the project and related files as well. It does have it's quirks, but seems to work well for us. hth Lorian Gans Technical Writer Cougar Mountain Software (208) 375-4455 ext. 147 LorianGans at cougarmtn.com www.cougarmtn.com -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+loriangans=cougarmtn@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+loriangans=cougarmtn.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Rusnak Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:54 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Versioning software What do you all like to use to backup and version your frame files? Is Source Safe an industry favorite? Kevin Kevin C. Rusnak, CDIA+ E-Learning Development Specialist, Technical Services Hyland Software, Inc. 440.788.5609 440.788.5709 (fax) kevin.rusnak at onbase.com www.onbase.com 28500 Clemens Road Westlake, OH 44145 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message and any attached documents may contain confidential information from Hyland Software, Inc. The information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for the delivery of this message to the intended recipient, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message or of any attached documents, or the taking of any action or omission to take any action in reliance on the contents of this message or of any attached documents, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail or telephone, at (440) 788-5000, and delete the original message immediately. Thank you. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as loriangans at cougarmtn.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/loriangans%40cougarm tn.com Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as gflato at nanometrics.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/gflato%40nanometrics .com Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. This message (including any attachments) may contain confidential information intended for a specific individual and purpose. If you are not the intended recipient, delete this message. If you are not the intended recipient, disclosing, copying, distributing, or taking any action based on this message is strictly prohibited.
RE: Versioning software
Hi, Kevin - We do use SourceSafe, not only for the fm files, but all the project and related files as well. It does have it's quirks, but seems to work well for us. hth Lorian Gans Technical Writer Cougar Mountain Software (208) 375-4455 ext. 147 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.cougarmtn.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Rusnak Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 1:54 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Versioning software What do you all like to use to backup and version your frame files? Is Source Safe an industry favorite? Kevin Kevin C. Rusnak, CDIA+ E-Learning Development Specialist, Technical Services Hyland Software, Inc. 440.788.5609 440.788.5709 (fax) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.onbase.com 28500 Clemens Road Westlake, OH 44145 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message and any attached documents may contain confidential information from Hyland Software, Inc. The information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for the delivery of this message to the intended recipient, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message or of any attached documents, or the taking of any action or omission to take any action in reliance on the contents of this message or of any attached documents, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail or telephone, at (440) 788-5000, and delete the original message immediately. Thank you. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/loriangans%40cougarm tn.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Versioning software
What do you all like to use to backup and version your frame files? Is Source Safe an industry favorite? Kevin Kevin C. Rusnak, CDIA+ E-Learning Development Specialist, Technical Services Hyland Software, Inc. 440.788.5609 440.788.5709 (fax) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.onbase.com 28500 Clemens Road Westlake, OH 44145 CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This message and any attached documents may contain confidential information from Hyland Software, Inc. The information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for the delivery of this message to the intended recipient, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this message or of any attached documents, or the taking of any action or omission to take any action in reliance on the contents of this message or of any attached documents, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by e-mail or telephone, at (440) 788-5000, and delete the original message immediately. Thank you. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Blank pages
>A page with "Intentionally left blank" on it is a contradiction in terms: >as > soon as you put this phrase on the page, it is no longer blank, or is it? If you want to get technical (and literal), sure it still is. It is necessary to remember context. The context of the manual is, let's say, how to install a wizzie. That page has no wizzie installation content, therefore, it is blank. The "Intentionally left blank" statement is only describing the state of the page, not the state of the content. John Posada Senior Technical Writer
questions on XML export
Just two quick questions (FM 7.x , Windows). 1. After exporting to XML the Import of the same document gives validation error: Message: Notation 'epsi' was referenced but never declared Where should this be declared, in the EDD, DTD or Rules file? On export FrameMaker generates the notation: 2. When exporting to XML, the reference to DTD is stored with full path info: http://www.scriptware.nl tel : +31 (0)23 548 48 84 fax : +31 (0)23 548 48 85 http://www.scriptware.nl info at scriptware.nl info at scriptware.nl
re: Find in Frame
For more information and examples, also see the summary at http://www.microtype.com/resources/FTsearch.pdf (page 4 lists different wildcard combinations). Shlomo Perets MicroType, http://www.microtype.com * ToolbarPlus Express for FrameMaker FrameMaker/Acrobat training & consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants Template Design, Single Sourcing, FM-to-PDF & Technical Indexing seminars ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
questions on XML export
At 01:27 AM 4/5/2006, Wim Hooghwinkel \(Scriptware\) wrote:
>Just two quick questions (FM 7.x , Windows).
Wim,
Asking the questions may have been quick, but I'm afraid the answers
aren't as quick as you might think. See below!
>1. After exporting to XML the Import of the same document gives validation
>error:
>Message: Notation 'epsi' was referenced but never declared
>Where should this be declared, in the EDD, DTD or Rules file? On export
>FrameMaker generates the notation:
>
>
The notation should be declared in the DTD; either in the external
subset (the file often referred to as the DTD), or in the internal subset
at the beginning of the document. Given the two lines you quote (the
comment and the notation declaration), FM has done just that on export.
Unless you have removed that line on import, I don't see why you are
getting an error message.
By the way, as I write this, I have no Internet connection and can't
check, but if my memory is correct, XML public identifiers require a system
identifier. Although FM does not report an error given:
I believe it is incorrect and should be at least:
I suggest you avoid the issue by adding:
to your DTD.
And here is some relevant background. When you export a document that
uses a notation that is not declared in the DTD, FM generates a notation
declaration such as:
in the internal subset. Whenever you open an XML document that has notation
or entity declaration sin the internal subset, FM uses a reference page
called Entity Declarations to save enough information to regenerate those
declarations. Information about notation declarations is saved in a
three-column table. The notation name goes in the first column, the public
identifier in the second, and the system identifier in the third. The table
does not distinguish a system identifier that is present but contains no
characters from one that doesn't appear. When both columns 2 and 3 are
empty, it generates a public identifier, so the imported:
is exported as:
Again, avoid the issue by declaring the notation in your EDD.
>2. When exporting to XML, the reference to DTD is stored with full path
>info: ///E:/vijay/KOM107C-XML/FMApp/komori.dtd" - how can I make FM store only
>the DTD name, without full path? The XML files need to be processed on
>different systems that don't have access to the same server.
Good news, bad news on this one. There is a r/w rule that I believe should
do what you want:
writer {external dtd is "komori.dtd";}
Unfortunately, FM assumes that the specified file exists in the same folder
as the FM file being saved. Thus, the rule works if you save the XML file
to that folder. Suppose, however, that you have a main project folder with
two subfolders, one called fm and once called xml. If your FM file is in
the fm subfolder, and you save it as ..\xml\output.xml. FM uses
..\xml\komori.dtd as the external identifier. Since there's no need to
store the DTD there, such a file is not likely to exist. Short of using a
custom FDK client, the workaround is to keep both FM and XML versions in
the same folder.
--Lynne
Lynne A. Price
Text Structure Consulting, Inc.
Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development,
and training
lprice at txstruct.comhttp://www.txstruct.com
voice/fax: (510) 583-1505 cell phone: (510) 421-2284
Re: Blank pages
A page with "Intentionally left blank" on it is a contradiction in terms: as soon as you put this phrase on the page, it is no longer blank, or is it? If you want to get technical (and literal), sure it still is. It is necessary to remember context. The context of the manual is, let's say, how to install a wizzie. That page has no wizzie installation content, therefore, it is blank. The "Intentionally left blank" statement is only describing the state of the page, not the state of the content. John Posada Senior Technical Writer ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Blank pages [WAS: Framers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 23]
A page with "Intentionally left blank" on it is a contradiction in terms: as soon as you put this phrase on the page, it is no longer blank, or is it? ;-) -- Yves Barbion Technical Writer Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor U&I Learning nv (formerly ATeK nv) Molenaarsstraat 111 B-9000 Gent Belgium Tel.: +32 9 265 74 72 Fax: +32 9 265 74 84 www.uni-learning.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Blank pages [WAS: Framers Digest, Vol 5, Issue 23]
I think the problem here is that with technical manuals you are addressing people of different ethnic origins, languages etc. Many foreigners can read the "English jargon" they have learned that relates to their jobs and interests, but may have problem reading regular text or "jargon" relating to other technical fields such as publishing and printing. I have had questions from several people: "What does pagination mean?" "Intentionally Left Blank" serves the purpose of indicating in words comprehensible to most that there is no contents missing on that page -- that the page is not blank by accident, s.a. duplicate paper feed etc. So if we want to change this the text must be replaced by some other text easily understandable by foreigners that have only minor general konwledge in English. Bodvar Bjorgvinsson Supervisor Publishing, Flight Support Air Atlanta Icelandic On 3/24/06, Keith Smyth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >RE: Paragraph tag with Frame below >At my last contract (I am retired now), we put "This page added for >pagination purposes" on the otherwise blank page, headers and footers >included. Received compliments from the customers, as it made more sense to >them that "This page intentionally left blank" and no reason given. > > ...and of course I forgot to include the link the first time = ugh! > > [1]http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/alabaster/A676280 > > > The writer of this piece is close when they write 'Some theorise that it is a > * > koan*, a statement devoid of meaning designed to bring the minds of those that > read it to a higher state of being.' In fact, the point is that a completely > bl > ank page is representative of the Ultimate Void, a state of Complete > Nothingnes > s - and this scares those who have not yet reached the aforementioned higher > st > ate of being. A completely blank page just looks *wrong*, it's deeply > unsettlin > g. > > I have more than often been asked to add an 'intentionally left blank' logo, > be > cause 'otherwise our readers will think it's a mistake'. The issue arises > regul > arly with blank trailing pages of chapters of books where the chapter opener > fa > lls on a right-hand page. > > So, folks, don't terrify your readers - at least add a page number, which can > r > epresent the sound of one hand clapping in the Void ;-) > > If clients demand more, I suggest a legally-watertight non-contradictory > constr > uction along the lines of: > > 'This page is intentional left void of meaningful content other than this > parag > raph, which, for the avoidance of doubt, represents content that is intended > to > denote only the absence of content'. > > > -- > Keith L. Smyth > President > Smyth Consulting > - > Many times I really wonder whether a God > subtle enough to have invented Quantum > Mechanics would really be interested in having > people deliver rote prayers and swing incense > pots in his direction. > - > Technical Documentation Consultant > > References > >1. http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/alabaster/A676280 > ___ > > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
questions on XML export
Just two quick questions (FM 7.x , Windows). 1. After exporting to XML the Import of the same document gives validation error: Message: Notation 'epsi' was referenced but never declared Where should this be declared, in the EDD, DTD or Rules file? On export FrameMaker generates the notation: 2. When exporting to XML, the reference to DTD is stored with full path info: http://www.scriptware.nl tel : +31 (0)23 548 48 84 fax : +31 (0)23 548 48 85 http://www.scriptware.nl [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
