ANN: FrameMaker/Acrobat Training, Ireland -- August 2006

[Shlomo Perets]

Dublin area, Ireland:
-- Acrobat: Designing Access to Information  Testing Your PDFs, August 14
-- Structured FrameMaker: Authoring, August 15
-- Structured FrameMaker: Developing EDDs, August 16-17
-- Technical Indexing with FrameMaker, August 18
-- FrameMaker Template Design, August 21-22
-- Single Sourcing with FrameMaker, August 23
-- FrameMaker-to-Acrobat Advanced Techniques, August 24-55

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RE: Framemaker and Translation

[Wim Hooghwinkel \(Scriptware\)]

What is this, a Trados exposure? I think we should not discuss translation 
tools (there are other lists). I have been working in the localization for over 
12 years now and it always comes down to the same: if the source files are not 
set up properly, meaning 'designed' and formatted with internationalization in 
mind, translation does not work out as expected and can cost a ot of money and 
effort - whatever tool or translation company you use.

The other way round the same: once you have set up your documentation properly, 
translation is no pain at all, whatever tool used. Complex translation 
instruction kits as mentioned before won't be neccessary.

My advise: keep it simple, standardize, re-use both content and formatting 
wherever possible.


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To be more precise, Trados (Trados 6.0 at least) can deal with the following 
formats :

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OT: Research Books

[Sharon Conroy]

Hi everyone,

I'm currently in my second year of the MA in Tech Comms in Sheffield Hallam
here in the UK and I was hoping to pick some of your brains :o) I'm sorry
this is off topic, but the Framers List is a good way to access a large
section of technical authors! :o)

I was wondering if any of you know of any good books or articles concerning
marginalisation of technical authors? I need to create a research portfolio
as a preparation for my Masters dissertation and I want to base them (my
research design portfolio and MA dissertation) on this topic.

To give you an idea of what I am looking for here's a link to the article
which gave me the idea in the first place:

http://www.assureconsulting.com/workplace/writer.shtml

Thanks in advance! Apologies again for this being off topic...

Sharon

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Re: Entire FM Help available as a PDF

[Steve Rickaby]

At 17:10 -0400 7/6/06, Art Campbell wrote:

Most recent posts by Monica Valdez
On-line help is now available as a downloadable PDF - 01:46pm Jun 7,
2006 Pacific - All,

After much cajoling and patience persistence, my contact at Adobe has
convinced the powers that be that it really would be helpful to
many, many FrameMaker users to have the entire on-line FrameMaker Help
as a downloadable PDF. Voila!

http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/pdfs/framemaker_help.pdf

Interesting to note that this document was created by 'Adobe Instructional 
Publishing' using FrameMaker 6 and Acrobat Distiller 5.0 for Mac ;-)

Thanks for the link, Art: a fantastic resource.

[Cross-posted to 'FrameMaker for OS X' as I know they'll find it useful too.]
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RE: Entire FM Help available as a PDF

[Phil Heron]

Also interesting that it was created in March 2002. Has it just been
sitting on a shelf unused since then?

Still, I'm very pleased to see it available now.

Phil Heron

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At 17:10 -0400 7/6/06, Art Campbell wrote:

Most recent posts by Monica Valdez
On-line help is now available as a downloadable PDF - 01:46pm Jun 7,
2006 Pacific - All,

After much cajoling and patience persistence, my contact at Adobe has 
convinced the powers that be that it really would be helpful to many,

many FrameMaker users to have the entire on-line FrameMaker Help as a 
downloadable PDF. Voila!

http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/pdfs/framemaker_help.pdf

Interesting to note that this document was created by 'Adobe
Instructional Publishing' using FrameMaker 6 and Acrobat Distiller 5.0
for Mac ;-)

Thanks for the link, Art: a fantastic resource.

[Cross-posted to 'FrameMaker for OS X' as I know they'll find it useful
too.]
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Re: Arabic Framemaker resource needed

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Robert,

What I did was to copy/paste the Arabic text from Word to FM, but in
order for it to work properly, I had to set the language settings (not
the keyboard settings, though) to Arabic. Then me and my Arabic expert
found out the keys and combinations for doing changes directly in FM.

However I do not recommend writing much text in Arabic in FM. Better
use Word og OpenOffice Writer or something else that handles Arabic
well.

How are you going to set up this book? We have a manual in different
languages, each language being a chapter on its own. That is one way
of doing it.

For dual language, you can also set a manual up using different flows,
A and B, which would allow you e.g. to share a graphic. You set the A
and B frames up on the master pages.

Good luck.

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
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Air Atlanta Icelandic

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I have a book project that will be 1/2 in English and 1/2 in Arabic. Any
thoughts on how to set up a FrameMaker flow to accommodate this
structure and what I'd need to do to Frame to compose pages in Arabic???

-bob
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re: Entire FM Help available as a PDF

[Shlomo Perets]

I am afraid that I do not understand why -- other than for printing 
purposes -- a single large PDF is more useful than the exact same 
information available from within FrameMaker as a topic-based online help 
(where the search is much more effective than Acrobat's Find function).


BTW, anyone with Acrobat can convert a web help system into a single PDF 
(through File  Create PDF  From Web Page, pointing to the help main menu 
page).



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Hiding Pages?

[Schoen, Brady]

I have a question for everyone. I work for a company that builds 4 pieces of
equipment that are all the same but are branded differently. The only
difference in the manuals for the different brands of equipment is the 2
pages showing decal placement. What I would like to do is to make one Book
file for this equipment (so I don't have 4 different books to update
everytime a change is made), and just change out the decal pages. Is it
possible to put all the decal pages for all the brands consecutively in a
chapter in a book and then just Hide the decal pages that I don't want
shown when it is time to print so I can keep all my page numbering and
formating intact?

Anyone have any ideas on this? We are using Adobe Framemaker 6.0.

Thanks,
Brady
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Re: Hiding Pages?

[Stuart Rogers]

Schoen, Brady wrote:

I have a question for everyone. I work for a company that builds 4 pieces of
equipment that are all the same but are branded differently. The only
difference in the manuals for the different brands of equipment is the 2
pages showing decal placement. What I would like to do is to make one Book
file for this equipment (so I don't have 4 different books to update
everytime a change is made), and just change out the decal pages. Is it
possible to put all the decal pages for all the brands consecutively in a
chapter in a book and then just Hide the decal pages that I don't want
shown when it is time to print so I can keep all my page numbering and
formating intact?

Anyone have any ideas on this? We are using Adobe Framemaker 6.0.

Thanks,
Brady


Brady,

Read the topics on Conditional Text in the FM Help and you will have the 
info you need to do exactly what you want.


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RE: Hiding Pages?

[Ridder, Fred]

Exactly. But the important concept is that it is content (text,
graphics)
that gets conditionalized to be hidden rather than the pages that
contain 
the content.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Intel
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Cc: 'framers@frameusers.com'
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Schoen, Brady wrote:
 I have a question for everyone. I work for a company that builds 4
pieces of
 equipment that are all the same but are branded differently. The only
 difference in the manuals for the different brands of equipment is the
2
 pages showing decal placement. What I would like to do is to make one
Book
 file for this equipment (so I don't have 4 different books to update
 everytime a change is made), and just change out the decal pages. Is
it
 possible to put all the decal pages for all the brands consecutively
in a
 chapter in a book and then just Hide the decal pages that I don't
want
 shown when it is time to print so I can keep all my page numbering and
 formating intact?
 
 Anyone have any ideas on this? We are using Adobe Framemaker 6.0.
 
 Thanks,
 Brady

Brady,

Read the topics on Conditional Text in the FM Help and you will have the

info you need to do exactly what you want.

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in 
moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification

for selfishness.

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The smartest export Canada ever sent to the United States.


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http://tinyurl.com/8q9c5
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RE: Hiding Pages?

[Anne Robotti]

 Exactly. But the important concept is that it is content (text,
 graphics)
 that gets conditionalized to be hidden rather than the pages 
 that contain the content.
 
 My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
 Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ

Which, of course, is even better because you can fine-tune the entire
book for a specific product.

I have a product that gets OEM'ed under four different names. NOTHING
changes except the name of the product and the faceplate (and the price,
I imagine, but I digress.)

So some of my lines look like Configuring the ProdAProdBProdCProdD for
Ethernet Access when you uncondition all the text. Hide the ProdB,
ProdC and ProdD condition tags, and it turns into Configuring the ProdA
for Ethernet Access.

(Just showing Brady an example of how it might work in a finer context
than a page.)

Anne
 


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HTML Help vs. Webhelp

[Gillian Flato]

Hey guys
 
I am trying to decide whether or not I should do Browser-based (Web)
help or compiled (.chm) help for my Windows software. What are the
advantages and disadvantages to both?
 
Is one better if the the software is memory intensive?
 
 

Thanks,

Gillian Flato

Technical Writer (Software)

NANOmetrics, Inc.

1550 Buckeye Dr.

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RE: HTML Help vs. Webhelp

[Linda G. Gallagher]

Gillian,

We should probably take this off this list, since it's not really a Frame
question, but here are some thoughts:

Browser-based help

- May permit more flexible design of buttons and other navigation.

- May be cross-browser, cross-platform if that's needed down the road.

- Can be served up from a server.

HTML Help (.chm)

- One compressed file to distribute and store.

- Works on all Windows systems.

- May be familiar to users.

If an application is Windows only and a desktop application, I tend to
suggest .chm.

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Hey guys

I am trying to decide whether or not I should do Browser-based (Web)
help or compiled (.chm) help for my Windows software. What are the
advantages and disadvantages to both?

Is one better if the the software is memory intensive?



Thanks,

Gillian Flato

Technical Writer (Software)

NANOmetrics, Inc.

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Re: Entire FM Help available as a PDF

[Paul Findon]

On 8 Jun 2006, at 14:51, Steve Rickaby wrote:

Well, it is to FrameMaker users on Mac, as my experience is that the 
FrameMaker 6 help reader is broken when used from Classic, and the 
help files cannot be reached. It typically produces messages such as 
'The file 'fm6.hlp' couldn't be opened or couldn't be found because of 
an error #-35' (-35 = 'file not found').


Could this be one of those Classic apps that breaks with 10.4 Tiger? 
Works OK for me with 10.3.9.


Also, in OS X, Apple's Preview application is a much nicer PDF reader 
for manuals than QuickHelp.


Ah! FrameMaker 6 does indeed use QuickHelp, as I'm sometimes reminded 
when I inadvertently press the Help key /-:


FrameMaker 7's help for Mac opens in Internet Explorer. Need I say 
more?


You can change this to any Web browser you like. I've set mine to 
Safari. See

http://www.fm4osx.org/classic.html for details.

Paul

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OT: Converting CGM to TIF

[Rick Quatro]

Hello All,

I am looking for a good way to convert CGMs to TIFs. It would be nice to 
have something that I could call with a command line so I can automate the 
conversion. Any recommendations would be appreciated. Thanks!


Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
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RE: Converting CGM to TIF

[Judy Keene]

Rick,
   Hi! Look at freeware Irfanview - it is very versatile, many format
conversions instantly, for a  single file or batches of files. You will
love it!  http://www.irfanview.com/

 Judy

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Hello All,

I am looking for a good way to convert CGMs to TIFs. It would be nice to

have something that I could call with a command line so I can automate
the 
conversion. Any recommendations would be appreciated. Thanks!

Rick Quatro
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RE: Converting CGM to TIF

[Spreadbury, David]

Rick,
You might try looking around http://www.cgmopen.org/webcgm/filters.html.

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Subject: OT: Converting CGM to TIF

Hello All,

I am looking for a good way to convert CGMs to TIFs. It would be nice to

have something that I could call with a command line so I can automate
the 
conversion. Any recommendations would be appreciated. Thanks!

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com

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RE: Converting CGM to TIF

[Spreadbury, David]

Nope. IrfanView doesn't convert to CGM. That was my first choice, until
I looked. Great tool, but unfortunately no CGM support.

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Rick,
   Hi! Look at freeware Irfanview - it is very versatile, many format
conversions instantly, for a  single file or batches of files. You will
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Changing the Figure Caption location

[Yvonne Mills]

Hello all.

I'm using FrameMaker (7.1p114, on PC with Win XP SP2) for my User's
Guides then converting to HTML using WebWorks (the STANDARD version, not
PRO).

In our template we have a Figure table that automatically puts Figure
n under the graphic (with n being the auto number) each time we
insert a figure table.

In the print guide, it looks normal to have the figure caption under
the graphic.  However, when converting to HTML, this doesn't seem right.
When the user clicks on a link to the graphic, they don't see the
graphic. This is because the link is pointed to the figure caption, not
the graphic. Sure, all the user has to do is scroll up, but I would like
to move the Figure caption to the top of the graphic.

I vaguely remember this being discussed before.  I tried to search the
archives, but didn't have much luck.  I'm sure it's something easy,
although I looked at the Table Designer and figured I would simply move
the table title from below the table to above, but found that there was
_no_ table title.  I even (briefly) checked the Master and Reference
pages and Frame's online help, but didn't find anything.

Thanks in advance for your help. 

Regards,
Yvonne Mills
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RE: Converting CGM to TIF

[Grant Hogarth]

Check out these converters:
http://www.cgmcentral.com/downloads.htm
http://www.sdicgm.com/sdi_convert.html 

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Nope. IrfanView doesn't convert to CGM. That was my first choice, until
I looked. Great tool, but unfortunately no CGM support.

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Subject: RE: Converting CGM to TIF

Rick,
   Hi! Look at freeware Irfanview - it is very versatile, many format
conversions instantly, for a  single file or batches of files. You will
love it!  http://www.irfanview.com/ 
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Re: Changing the Figure Caption location

[Art Campbell]

OK, three thoughts:

If you're using what would be the Table Title as your figure title,
the above/below
setting is a property on the Table Designer dialog box, Basic tab. Ctrl-t, then
Title Position.

If that's set to No Title, though, you're using an unrelated tag to
handle the title.
You should be able to just select it and move it...

If you can't select and move the tag, I'd suspect that whatever
paragraph tag you're
using to anchor the figure table is referencing a frame on a reference
page... In that
para designe window, is there a setting on the Advanced tab for frame
above or below?

Art

On 6/8/06, Yvonne Mills [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hello all.

I'm using FrameMaker (7.1p114, on PC with Win XP SP2) for my User's
Guides then converting to HTML using WebWorks (the STANDARD version, not
PRO).

In our template we have a Figure table that automatically puts Figure
n under the graphic (with n being the auto number) each time we
insert a figure table.

In the print guide, it looks normal to have the figure caption under
the graphic.  However, when converting to HTML, this doesn't seem right.
When the user clicks on a link to the graphic, they don't see the
graphic. This is because the link is pointed to the figure caption, not
the graphic. Sure, all the user has to do is scroll up, but I would like
to move the Figure caption to the top of the graphic.

I vaguely remember this being discussed before.  I tried to search the
archives, but didn't have much luck.  I'm sure it's something easy,
although I looked at the Table Designer and figured I would simply move
the table title from below the table to above, but found that there was
_no_ table title.  I even (briefly) checked the Master and Reference
pages and Frame's online help, but didn't find anything.

Thanks in advance for your help.

Regards,
Yvonne Mills
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RE: Hiding Pages?

[Combs, Richard]

Schoen, Brady wrote: 
 
 Is it at all possible to tag an entire page?
 
 What I have is a Parts Drawing on the left, and the Parts 
 Listing on the right for each brand. The entire page is 
 specific to each brand, not just a word or the drawing, the 
 entire page. What I did was put all 8 decal pages
 (1 Drawing page and 1 parts listing page for each brand x 4 
 brands)consecutively in the book. I then highlighted 
 everything on the pages and tagged everything I wanted shown 
 for each brand as a different tag. What happens is when I 
 hide 3 tags and show the 1 I want in the book, it leaves a 
 blank page for all the other brands decal pages that are now 
 hidden. If I delete the extra pages, I can't get it to show 
 the other three tagged items again. Any ideas?

The way you describe this, it almost sounds like your drawings and parts
lists aren't part of a text flow, but inserted directly onto pages. Is
that what you're doing? Or is everything in the main text flow, but
you're using custom master pages? 

In any case, the simplest solution is probably to forget about
conditions and set up multiple books instead, one for each brand. You
can do this very quickly using File  Save Book As. All four books would
be identical except for the 2-page chapter with the parts list and
drawing -- there'd be four of those. (I'm assuming the same generated
TOC, LOF, etc., will work in all 4 books, which should be true if all 4
brand-specific files have the same heading(s), e.g., Parts List, not
Acme Parts List.) 

You originally said: 

 decal placement. What I would like to do is to make one Book 
 file for this equipment (so I don't have 4 different books to 
 update everytime a change is made), and just change out the 

But there's no need for 4 updates. If the books are identical except for
one file, and that file is always 2 pages in each book, then pagination
will always be the same in all 4, and updating one book updates them
all. 

HTH!
Richard


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RE: Hiding Pages?

[LAnthone]

I had the same problem with multiple conditions and finally realized that 
you can't apply a condition at the chapter (file) level. I ended up using 
Structured FrameMaker with the Sourcerer plug-in. I used attributes at the 
top level (file or section) to condition entire files. This works very 
well, but of course, you have to use Structured FrameMaker. 
I never found a way around that problem  and was reluctant to maintain 
different versions of the book file. However, if you make your conditional 
content part of the previous chapter, you should be able to hide it when 
it's printing or conversion time, with page numbering intact.



Lauren Anthone, 
Senior Information Developer
Lead, Information Development Department

Gene Logic, Inc.
50 West Watkins
Gaithersburg, MD  20878
Ph:  240.364.7611
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Corporate Headquarters
610 Professional Drive
Gaithersburg, MD  20879



Combs, Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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06/08/2006 04:08 PM

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Subject
RE: Hiding Pages?






Schoen, Brady wrote: 
 
 Is it at all possible to tag an entire page?
 
 What I have is a Parts Drawing on the left, and the Parts 
 Listing on the right for each brand. The entire page is 
 specific to each brand, not just a word or the drawing, the 
 entire page. What I did was put all 8 decal pages
 (1 Drawing page and 1 parts listing page for each brand x 4 
 brands)consecutively in the book. I then highlighted 
 everything on the pages and tagged everything I wanted shown 
 for each brand as a different tag. What happens is when I 
 hide 3 tags and show the 1 I want in the book, it leaves a 
 blank page for all the other brands decal pages that are now 
 hidden. If I delete the extra pages, I can't get it to show 
 the other three tagged items again. Any ideas?

The way you describe this, it almost sounds like your drawings and parts
lists aren't part of a text flow, but inserted directly onto pages. Is
that what you're doing? Or is everything in the main text flow, but
you're using custom master pages? 

In any case, the simplest solution is probably to forget about
conditions and set up multiple books instead, one for each brand. You
can do this very quickly using File  Save Book As. All four books would
be identical except for the 2-page chapter with the parts list and
drawing -- there'd be four of those. (I'm assuming the same generated
TOC, LOF, etc., will work in all 4 books, which should be true if all 4
brand-specific files have the same heading(s), e.g., Parts List, not
Acme Parts List.) 

You originally said: 

 decal placement. What I would like to do is to make one Book 
 file for this equipment (so I don't have 4 different books to 
 update everytime a change is made), and just change out the 

But there's no need for 4 updates. If the books are identical except for
one file, and that file is always 2 pages in each book, then pagination
will always be the same in all 4, and updating one book updates them
all. 

HTH!
Richard


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Polycom, Inc.
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303-223-5111
--
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RE: Changing the Figure Caption location

[Yvonne Mills]

Tried the first one. There is No Title.
Checked the third one, None.
As far as the second one, I can't move it. I get a message saying
Cannot remove all body rows from a table that has heading or footing
rows. I don't see any selections for heading/footing rows in the Table
designer except for the ruling/shading selections.

Thanks,
Yvonne Mills
Technical Writer 2
540-378-1398


-Original Message-
From: Art Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 4:08 PM
To: Yvonne Mills
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Changing the Figure Caption location

OK, three thoughts:

If you're using what would be the Table Title as your figure title,
the above/below
setting is a property on the Table Designer dialog box, Basic tab.
Ctrl-t, then
Title Position.

If that's set to No Title, though, you're using an unrelated tag to
handle the title.
You should be able to just select it and move it...

If you can't select and move the tag, I'd suspect that whatever
paragraph tag you're
using to anchor the figure table is referencing a frame on a reference
page... In that
para designe window, is there a setting on the Advanced tab for frame
above or below?

Art

On 6/8/06, Yvonne Mills [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello all.

 I'm using FrameMaker (7.1p114, on PC with Win XP SP2) for my User's
 Guides then converting to HTML using WebWorks (the STANDARD version,
not
 PRO).

 In our template we have a Figure table that automatically puts Figure
 n under the graphic (with n being the auto number) each time we
 insert a figure table.

 In the print guide, it looks normal to have the figure caption under
 the graphic.  However, when converting to HTML, this doesn't seem
right.
 When the user clicks on a link to the graphic, they don't see the
 graphic. This is because the link is pointed to the figure caption,
not
 the graphic. Sure, all the user has to do is scroll up, but I would
like
 to move the Figure caption to the top of the graphic.

 I vaguely remember this being discussed before.  I tried to search the
 archives, but didn't have much luck.  I'm sure it's something easy,
 although I looked at the Table Designer and figured I would simply
move
 the table title from below the table to above, but found that there
was
 _no_ table title.  I even (briefly) checked the Master and Reference
 pages and Frame's online help, but didn't find anything.

 Thanks in advance for your help.

 Regards,
 Yvonne Mills
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RE: Hiding Pages?

[Ridder, Fred]

But the ability to use the same component files in multiple
different book files is one of the foundations of the FrameMaker 
book paradigm. There are some very good reasons for using 
structured FrameMaker, but it's really overkill if all you need 
to do is build several variant books that only have a few
components that differ between the various books. That's the
kind of situation FrameMaker books were designed to handle.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Intel
Parsippany, NJ

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 4:31 PM
To: Combs, Richard
Cc: framers@frameusers.com;
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Hiding Pages?

I had the same problem with multiple conditions and finally realized
that 
you can't apply a condition at the chapter (file) level. I ended up
using 
Structured FrameMaker with the Sourcerer plug-in. I used attributes at
the 
top level (file or section) to condition entire files. This works very 
well, but of course, you have to use Structured FrameMaker. 
I never found a way around that problem  and was reluctant to maintain 
different versions of the book file. However, if you make your
conditional 
content part of the previous chapter, you should be able to hide it when

it's printing or conversion time, with page numbering intact.



Lauren Anthone, 
Senior Information Developer
Lead, Information Development Department

Gene Logic, Inc.
50 West Watkins
Gaithersburg, MD  20878
Ph:  240.364.7611
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Corporate Headquarters
610 Professional Drive
Gaithersburg, MD  20879

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RE: Changing the Figure Caption location

[Ridder, Fred]

Is it possible that the figure title has been put in a footing row?
Do you have the ViewBorders option turned on? If so, do you
see a dotted box surrounding the figure title? That dotted border
would indicate that the paragraph is inside some *some* sort of 
table cell. And if that's the case, you'll need to select just the
contents rather than the whole cell (or row) when you attempt
to move the title. Then once you have the title where you want 
it (and if you have used a named style for the figure tables, my 
personal suggestion would be to use the Table Title frame since
you globally relocate all the titles from below the figures to above 
them just before you do your HTML conversion), you can delete 
the empty table row you left behind. 

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Intel
Parsippany, NJ



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Yvonne Mills
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 4:40 PM
To: Art Campbell
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Changing the Figure Caption location

Tried the first one. There is No Title.
Checked the third one, None.
As far as the second one, I can't move it. I get a message saying
Cannot remove all body rows from a table that has heading or footing
rows. I don't see any selections for heading/footing rows in the Table
designer except for the ruling/shading selections.

Thanks,
Yvonne Mills
Technical Writer 2
540-378-1398


-Original Message-
From: Art Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 4:08 PM
To: Yvonne Mills
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Changing the Figure Caption location

OK, three thoughts:

If you're using what would be the Table Title as your figure title,
the above/below
setting is a property on the Table Designer dialog box, Basic tab.
Ctrl-t, then
Title Position.

If that's set to No Title, though, you're using an unrelated tag to
handle the title.
You should be able to just select it and move it...

If you can't select and move the tag, I'd suspect that whatever
paragraph tag you're
using to anchor the figure table is referencing a frame on a reference
page... In that
para designe window, is there a setting on the Advanced tab for frame
above or below?

Art

On 6/8/06, Yvonne Mills [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello all.

 I'm using FrameMaker (7.1p114, on PC with Win XP SP2) for my User's
 Guides then converting to HTML using WebWorks (the STANDARD version,
not
 PRO).

 In our template we have a Figure table that automatically puts Figure
 n under the graphic (with n being the auto number) each time we
 insert a figure table.

 In the print guide, it looks normal to have the figure caption under
 the graphic.  However, when converting to HTML, this doesn't seem
right.
 When the user clicks on a link to the graphic, they don't see the
 graphic. This is because the link is pointed to the figure caption,
not
 the graphic. Sure, all the user has to do is scroll up, but I would
like
 to move the Figure caption to the top of the graphic.

 I vaguely remember this being discussed before.  I tried to search the
 archives, but didn't have much luck.  I'm sure it's something easy,
 although I looked at the Table Designer and figured I would simply
move
 the table title from below the table to above, but found that there
was
 _no_ table title.  I even (briefly) checked the Master and Reference
 pages and Frame's online help, but didn't find anything.

 Thanks in advance for your help.

 Regards,
 Yvonne Mills
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RE: Changing the Figure Caption location

[Yvonne Mills]

Yes, it is a footing row.  I found this when I attempted to delete the
figure caption. I got a message Cannot remove all body rows from a
table that has heading or footing rows.  So, I see one alternative:
change the Table Title to Above and add the figure caption there, and
change the paragraph type in the footing row to another paragraph type
(without any autonumber, such as Anchor or Body).

This is doable, but cumbersome.  I was hoping for an easier/automatic
way.

Thanks,
Yvonne Mills

-Original Message-
From: Ridder, Fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 4:55 PM
To: Yvonne Mills
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Changing the Figure Caption location

Is it possible that the figure title has been put in a footing row?
Do you have the ViewBorders option turned on? If so, do you
see a dotted box surrounding the figure title? That dotted border
would indicate that the paragraph is inside some *some* sort of 
table cell. And if that's the case, you'll need to select just the
contents rather than the whole cell (or row) when you attempt
to move the title. Then once you have the title where you want 
it (and if you have used a named style for the figure tables, my 
personal suggestion would be to use the Table Title frame since
you globally relocate all the titles from below the figures to above 
them just before you do your HTML conversion), you can delete 
the empty table row you left behind. 

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Intel
Parsippany, NJ



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Yvonne Mills
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 4:40 PM
To: Art Campbell
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Changing the Figure Caption location

Tried the first one. There is No Title.
Checked the third one, None.
As far as the second one, I can't move it. I get a message saying
Cannot remove all body rows from a table that has heading or footing
rows. I don't see any selections for heading/footing rows in the Table
designer except for the ruling/shading selections.

Thanks,
Yvonne Mills
Technical Writer 2
540-378-1398


-Original Message-
From: Art Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 4:08 PM
To: Yvonne Mills
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Changing the Figure Caption location

OK, three thoughts:

If you're using what would be the Table Title as your figure title,
the above/below
setting is a property on the Table Designer dialog box, Basic tab.
Ctrl-t, then
Title Position.

If that's set to No Title, though, you're using an unrelated tag to
handle the title.
You should be able to just select it and move it...

If you can't select and move the tag, I'd suspect that whatever
paragraph tag you're
using to anchor the figure table is referencing a frame on a reference
page... In that
para designe window, is there a setting on the Advanced tab for frame
above or below?

Art

On 6/8/06, Yvonne Mills [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello all.

 I'm using FrameMaker (7.1p114, on PC with Win XP SP2) for my User's
 Guides then converting to HTML using WebWorks (the STANDARD version,
not
 PRO).

 In our template we have a Figure table that automatically puts Figure
 n under the graphic (with n being the auto number) each time we
 insert a figure table.

 In the print guide, it looks normal to have the figure caption under
 the graphic.  However, when converting to HTML, this doesn't seem
right.
 When the user clicks on a link to the graphic, they don't see the
 graphic. This is because the link is pointed to the figure caption,
not
 the graphic. Sure, all the user has to do is scroll up, but I would
like
 to move the Figure caption to the top of the graphic.

 I vaguely remember this being discussed before.  I tried to search the
 archives, but didn't have much luck.  I'm sure it's something easy,
 although I looked at the Table Designer and figured I would simply
move
 the table title from below the table to above, but found that there
was
 _no_ table title.  I even (briefly) checked the Master and Reference
 pages and Frame's online help, but didn't find anything.

 Thanks in advance for your help.

 Regards,
 Yvonne Mills
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Re: Changing the Figure Caption location

[Art Campbell]

OK, at least you know what to do now.
You can mostly automate the conversion of the footing row to a body
with Rick Quatro's TableCleaner plugin (www.frameexpert.com).
Then if the figure caption is a unique tag... copy an empty anchor or
body paragraph to the clipboard, search for the figure caption tag and
replace it with the contents of the clipboard.

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On 6/8/06, Yvonne Mills [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Yes, it is a footing row.  I found this when I attempted to delete the
figure caption. I got a message Cannot remove all body rows from a
table that has heading or footing rows.  So, I see one alternative:
change the Table Title to Above and add the figure caption there, and
change the paragraph type in the footing row to another paragraph type
(without any autonumber, such as Anchor or Body).

This is doable, but cumbersome.  I was hoping for an easier/automatic
way.

Thanks,
Yvonne Mills

-Original Message-
From: Ridder, Fred [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 4:55 PM
To: Yvonne Mills
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Changing the Figure Caption location

Is it possible that the figure title has been put in a footing row?
Do you have the ViewBorders option turned on? If so, do you
see a dotted box surrounding the figure title? That dotted border
would indicate that the paragraph is inside some *some* sort of
table cell. And if that's the case, you'll need to select just the
contents rather than the whole cell (or row) when you attempt
to move the title. Then once you have the title where you want
it (and if you have used a named style for the figure tables, my
personal suggestion would be to use the Table Title frame since
you globally relocate all the titles from below the figures to above
them just before you do your HTML conversion), you can delete
the empty table row you left behind.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Intel
Parsippany, NJ



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Yvonne Mills
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 4:40 PM
To: Art Campbell
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Changing the Figure Caption location

Tried the first one. There is No Title.
Checked the third one, None.
As far as the second one, I can't move it. I get a message saying
Cannot remove all body rows from a table that has heading or footing
rows. I don't see any selections for heading/footing rows in the Table
designer except for the ruling/shading selections.

Thanks,
Yvonne Mills
Technical Writer 2
540-378-1398


-Original Message-
From: Art Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 4:08 PM
To: Yvonne Mills
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Changing the Figure Caption location

OK, three thoughts:

If you're using what would be the Table Title as your figure title,
the above/below
setting is a property on the Table Designer dialog box, Basic tab.
Ctrl-t, then
Title Position.

If that's set to No Title, though, you're using an unrelated tag to
handle the title.
You should be able to just select it and move it...

If you can't select and move the tag, I'd suspect that whatever
paragraph tag you're
using to anchor the figure table is referencing a frame on a reference
page... In that
para designe window, is there a setting on the Advanced tab for frame
above or below?

Art

On 6/8/06, Yvonne Mills [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello all.

 I'm using FrameMaker (7.1p114, on PC with Win XP SP2) for my User's
 Guides then converting to HTML using WebWorks (the STANDARD version,
not
 PRO).

 In our template we have a Figure table that automatically puts Figure
 n under the graphic (with n being the auto number) each time we
 insert a figure table.

 In the print guide, it looks normal to have the figure caption under
 the graphic.  However, when converting to HTML, this doesn't seem
right.
 When the user clicks on a link to the graphic, they don't see the
 graphic. This is because the link is pointed to the figure caption,
not
 the graphic. Sure, all the user has to do is scroll up, but I would
like
 to move the Figure caption to the top of the graphic.

 I vaguely remember this being discussed before.  I tried to search the
 archives, but didn't have much luck.  I'm sure it's something easy,
 although I looked at the Table Designer and figured I would simply
move
 the table title from below the table to above, but found that there
was
 _no_ table title.  I even (briefly) checked the Master and Reference
 pages and Frame's online help, but didn't find anything.

 Thanks in advance for your help.

 Regards,
 Yvonne Mills
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PageLabeler Plugin

[Lin Surasky]

Anyone use Rick Quatro's PageLabeler Plugin with Frame 7.2? Is it
compatible?
 
I'm trying to get page number prefixes on my Cover and Copyright pages
(a text prefix), but I can't seem to get it to work. Yes, I did RTM, but
either I'm not following directions properly or something else is wrong.
 
This is more a curiosity than a serious issue, but I thought I'd ask
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Thanks!
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Re: PageLabeler Plugin

[John Posada]

Yes, we all do in this group.

--- Lin Surasky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Anyone use Rick Quatro's PageLabeler Plugin with Frame 7.2? Is it
 compatible?
  
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Re: Hiding Pages?

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Why not maintain, as you say four books? Are the master pages
different? Do they show the different brands (logoes or different
text)?
If that is the case, then I would suggest four book files with four
sets of files which would be referencing by text inset the fifth (and
main) set of files or chunks. What is specific would then be added
directly into the type specific file (chapter?, section?).

I would also suggest with Fred Ridder to use variables.

Structured FM might be a good option here too. In many cases you can
use attributes insetad of variables in structured FM, just like with
XML. A lot of parts manuals are maintained in SGML/XML and/or
Structured FM.

But then I haven't seen your files, have I?

Good luck.

Bodvar

On 6/8/06, Schoen, Brady [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Is it at all possible to tag an entire page?

What I have is a Parts Drawing on the left, and the Parts Listing on the
right for each brand. The entire page is specific to each brand, not just a
word or the drawing, the entire page. What I did was put all 8 decal pages
(1 Drawing page and 1 parts listing page for each brand x 4
brands)consecutively in the book. I then highlighted everything on the pages
and tagged everything I wanted shown for each brand as a different tag. What
happens is when I hide 3 tags and show the 1 I want in the book, it leaves a
blank page for all the other brands decal pages that are now hidden. If I
delete the extra pages, I can't get it to show the other three tagged items
again. Any ideas?

Thanks,
Brady

-Original Message-
From: Anne Robotti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 10:48 AM
To: Schoen, Brady
Cc: framers@frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Hiding Pages?


 Exactly. But the important concept is that it is content (text,
 graphics)
 that gets conditionalized to be hidden rather than the pages
 that contain the content.

 My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
 Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ

Which, of course, is even better because you can fine-tune the entire
book for a specific product.

I have a product that gets OEM'ed under four different names. NOTHING
changes except the name of the product and the faceplate (and the price,
I imagine, but I digress.)

So some of my lines look like Configuring the ProdAProdBProdCProdD for
Ethernet Access when you uncondition all the text. Hide the ProdB,
ProdC and ProdD condition tags, and it turns into Configuring the ProdA
for Ethernet Access.

(Just showing Brady an example of how it might work in a finer context
than a page.)

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question re object properties in Frame 7.2

[Charles Grinnell]

The October newsletter of the UK Chapter of STC, has a
review of Frame 7.2 by Sarah O'Keefe:
http://www.stcuk.org/newsletters/October2005/index.htm

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RE: PageLabeler Plugin

[Don and Judy]

Hey, friend,

I've used it. Plugs in easy. Does it's thing slick and gives you exactly
what you got in FM doc. Just make sure you allow the first (cover) page to
be #1. As is mentioned somewhere in the documentation, Reader counts all
pages.

~ Don Spencer

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Anyone use Rick Quatro's PageLabeler Plugin with Frame 7.2? Is it
compatible?

I'm trying to get page number prefixes on my Cover and Copyright pages
(a text prefix), but I can't seem to get it to work. Yes, I did RTM, but
either I'm not following directions properly or something else is wrong.

This is more a curiosity than a serious issue, but I thought I'd ask
anyway
Thanks!
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RE: question re object properties in Frame 7.2

[Don and Judy]

One thing I've picked up, when struggling to highlight and manipulate
graphics or call out frames. By going to object properties, then canceling,
you highlight the object. Then call hold down the Alt key and tapping the
arrows, you can move objects with control.

Grouping call outs and graphics, however, I've had trouble with.

~ Don S.

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The October newsletter of the UK Chapter of STC, has a
review of Frame 7.2 by Sarah O'Keefe:
http://www.stcuk.org/newsletters/October2005/index.htm

Among other items, the reviewer mentions the new
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Entire FM Help available as a PDF

[rebecca officer]

In my Acrobat (5 Pro), I picked File > Open Web Page and pasted the URL into 
the dialog box. Acrobat cheerfully downloaded it for me.

It's a 14M file.

Cheers, Rebecca

>>> "Don and Judy"  8/06/06 14:01 >>>
Art:

That puppy is so huge, I can't view it. Where to I go to simply download it?
I tried backspacing the address but got a page not found.

~ Don Spencer

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Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 2:10 PM
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Subject: Entire FM Help available as a PDF


Recently posted on Adobe's FM User Forum:



Most recent posts by Monica Valdez
On-line help is now available as a downloadable PDF - 01:46pm Jun 7,
2006 Pacific - All,

After much cajoling and patience persistence, my contact at Adobe has
convinced the "powers that be" that it really would be helpful to
many, many FrameMaker users to have the entire on-line FrameMaker Help
as a downloadable PDF. Voila!

http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/pdfs/framemaker_help.pdf 

Yeah!!!..

***
It rocks. Thank you Monica!
Art

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Framemaker and Translation

[Wim Hooghwinkel (Scriptware)]

What is this, a Trados exposure? I think we should not discuss translation 
tools (there are other lists). I have been working in the localization for over 
12 years now and it always comes down to the same: if the source files are not 
set up properly, meaning 'designed' and formatted with internationalization in 
mind, translation does not work out as expected and can cost a ot of money and 
effort - whatever tool or translation company you use.

The other way round the same: once you have set up your documentation properly, 
translation is no pain at all, whatever tool used. Complex translation 
instruction kits as mentioned before won't be neccessary.

My advise: keep it simple, standardize, re-use both content and formatting 
wherever possible.


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Subject: RE: Framemaker and Translation


To be more precise, Trados (Trados 6.0 at least) can deal with the following 
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OT: Research Books

[Sharon Conroy]

Hi everyone,

I'm currently in my second year of the MA in Tech Comms in Sheffield Hallam
here in the UK and I was hoping to pick some of your brains :o) I'm sorry
this is off topic, but the Framers List is a good way to access a large
section of technical authors! :o)

I was wondering if any of you know of any good books or articles concerning
marginalisation of technical authors? I need to create a research portfolio
as a preparation for my Masters dissertation and I want to base them (my
research design portfolio and MA dissertation) on this topic.

To give you an idea of what I am looking for here's a link to the article
which gave me the idea in the first place:

http://www.assureconsulting.com/workplace/writer.shtml

Thanks in advance! Apologies again for this being off topic...

Sharon

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Entire FM Help available as a PDF

[Steve Rickaby]

At 17:10 -0400 7/6/06, Art Campbell wrote:

>Most recent posts by Monica Valdez
>On-line help is now available as a downloadable PDF - 01:46pm Jun 7,
>2006 Pacific - All,
>
>After much cajoling and patience persistence, my contact at Adobe has
>convinced the "powers that be" that it really would be helpful to
>many, many FrameMaker users to have the entire on-line FrameMaker Help
>as a downloadable PDF. Voila!
>
>http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/pdfs/framemaker_help.pdf

Interesting to note that this document was created by 'Adobe Instructional 
Publishing' using FrameMaker 6 and Acrobat Distiller 5.0 for Mac ;-)

Thanks for the link, Art: a fantastic resource.

[Cross-posted to 'FrameMaker for OS X' as I know they'll find it useful too.]
-- 
Steve

Entire FM Help available as a PDF

[Phil Heron]

Also interesting that it was created in March 2002. Has it just been
sitting on a shelf unused since then?

Still, I'm very pleased to see it available now.

Phil Heron

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Sent: 08 June 2006 10:09
To: framers at FrameUsers.com; fmforosx at yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Entire FM Help available as a PDF

At 17:10 -0400 7/6/06, Art Campbell wrote:

>Most recent posts by Monica Valdez
>On-line help is now available as a downloadable PDF - 01:46pm Jun 7,
>2006 Pacific - All,
>
>After much cajoling and patience persistence, my contact at Adobe has 
>convinced the "powers that be" that it really would be helpful to many,

>many FrameMaker users to have the entire on-line FrameMaker Help as a 
>downloadable PDF. Voila!
>
>http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/pdfs/framemaker_help.pdf

Interesting to note that this document was created by 'Adobe
Instructional Publishing' using FrameMaker 6 and Acrobat Distiller 5.0
for Mac ;-)

Thanks for the link, Art: a fantastic resource.

[Cross-posted to 'FrameMaker for OS X' as I know they'll find it useful
too.]
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Entire FM Help available as a PDF

[Steve Rickaby]

At 10:22 +0100 8/6/06, Phil Heron wrote:

>Also interesting that it was created in March 2002. Has it just been
>sitting on a shelf unused since then?

Ah, I missed that: forgot to look at the metadata. That makes the use of 
FrameMaker for Mac a lot less interesting than it might have been.
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Arabic Framemaker resource needed

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Robert,

What I did was to copy/paste the Arabic text from Word to FM, but in
order for it to work properly, I had to set the language settings (not
the keyboard settings, though) to Arabic. Then me and my Arabic expert
found out the keys and combinations for doing changes directly in FM.

However I do not recommend writing much text in Arabic in FM. Better
use Word og OpenOffice Writer or something else that handles Arabic
well.

How are you going to set up this book? We have a manual in different
languages, each language being a chapter on its own. That is one way
of doing it.

For dual language, you can also set a manual up using different flows,
A and B, which would allow you e.g. to share a graphic. You set the A
and B frames up on the master pages.

Good luck.

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
Supervisor Publishing
Flght Support
Air Atlanta Icelandic

On 6/7/06, Robert Kern  wrote:
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Entire FM Help available as a PDF

[Shlomo Perets]

I am afraid that I do not understand why -- other than for printing 
purposes -- a single large PDF is more useful than the exact same 
information available from within FrameMaker as a topic-based online help 
(where the search is much more effective than Acrobat's Find function).

BTW, anyone with Acrobat can convert a web help system into a single PDF 
(through File > Create PDF > From Web Page, pointing to the help main menu 
page).


Shlomo Perets

MicroType, http://www.microtype.com
Training, consulting & add-ons: FrameMaker, Structured FM and Acrobat

Entire FM Help available as a PDF

[Peter Gold]

At 2:47 PM +0300 6/8/06, Shlomo Perets wrote:
>I am afraid that I do not understand why -- other than for printing 
>purposes -- a single large PDF is more useful than the exact same 
>information available from within FrameMaker as a topic-based online 
>help (where the search is much more effective than Acrobat's Find 
>function).

I agree with Shlomo! I've been using the bookmark that I added to my 
browser's toolbar, and also a desktop shortcut, both of which point 
to the Help main menu page - help.html in the Help folder of the 
FrameMaker installation folder - to open the help system quickly, 
independent of FrameMaker being open.

>BTW, anyone with Acrobat can convert a web help system into a single 
>PDF (through File > Create PDF > From Web Page, pointing to the help 
>main menu page).

Regards,

Peter Gold
KnowHow ProServices

Entire FM Help available as a PDF

[Steve Rickaby]

At 14:47 +0300 8/6/06, Shlomo Perets wrote:

>I am afraid that I do not understand why -- other than for printing purposes 
>-- a single large PDF is more useful than the exact same information available 
>from within FrameMaker as a topic-based online help (where the search is much 
>more effective than Acrobat's Find function).

Hi Shlomo

Well, it is to FrameMaker users on Mac, as my experience is that the FrameMaker 
6 help reader is broken when used from Classic, and the help files cannot be 
reached. It typically produces messages such as 'The file 'fm6.hlp' couldn't be 
opened or couldn't be found because of an error #-35' (-35 = 'file not found').

Also, in OS X, Apple's Preview application is a much nicer PDF reader for 
manuals than QuickHelp.

FrameMaker 7's help for Mac opens in Internet Explorer. Need I say more?
-- 
Steve

Hiding Pages?

[Schoen, Brady]

I have a question for everyone. I work for a company that builds 4 pieces of
equipment that are all the same but are branded differently. The only
difference in the manuals for the different brands of equipment is the 2
pages showing decal placement. What I would like to do is to make one Book
file for this equipment (so I don't have 4 different books to update
everytime a change is made), and just change out the decal pages. Is it
possible to put all the decal pages for all the brands consecutively in a
chapter in a book and then just "Hide" the decal pages that I don't want
shown when it is time to print so I can keep all my page numbering and
formating intact?

Anyone have any ideas on this? We are using Adobe Framemaker 6.0.

Thanks,
Brady

Hiding Pages?

[Stuart Rogers]

Schoen, Brady wrote:
> I have a question for everyone. I work for a company that builds 4 pieces of
> equipment that are all the same but are branded differently. The only
> difference in the manuals for the different brands of equipment is the 2
> pages showing decal placement. What I would like to do is to make one Book
> file for this equipment (so I don't have 4 different books to update
> everytime a change is made), and just change out the decal pages. Is it
> possible to put all the decal pages for all the brands consecutively in a
> chapter in a book and then just "Hide" the decal pages that I don't want
> shown when it is time to print so I can keep all my page numbering and
> formating intact?
> 
> Anyone have any ideas on this? We are using Adobe Framemaker 6.0.
> 
> Thanks,
> Brady

Brady,

Read the topics on Conditional Text in the FM Help and you will have the 
info you need to do exactly what you want.

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in 
moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification 
for selfishness."

John Kenneth Galbraith, 1908-2006
"The smartest export Canada ever sent to the United States."


Get Firefox!
http://tinyurl.com/8q9c5

Hiding Pages?

[Ridder, Fred]

Exactly. But the important concept is that it is content (text,
graphics)
that gets conditionalized to be hidden rather than the pages that
contain 
the content.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Intel
Parsippany, NJ



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[mailto:framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Stuart Rogers
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 11:37 AM
To: Schoen, Brady
Cc: 'framers at frameusers.com'
Subject: Re: Hiding Pages?

Schoen, Brady wrote:
> I have a question for everyone. I work for a company that builds 4
pieces of
> equipment that are all the same but are branded differently. The only
> difference in the manuals for the different brands of equipment is the
2
> pages showing decal placement. What I would like to do is to make one
Book
> file for this equipment (so I don't have 4 different books to update
> everytime a change is made), and just change out the decal pages. Is
it
> possible to put all the decal pages for all the brands consecutively
in a
> chapter in a book and then just "Hide" the decal pages that I don't
want
> shown when it is time to print so I can keep all my page numbering and
> formating intact?
> 
> Anyone have any ideas on this? We are using Adobe Framemaker 6.0.
> 
> Thanks,
> Brady

Brady,

Read the topics on Conditional Text in the FM Help and you will have the

info you need to do exactly what you want.

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in 
moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification

for selfishness."

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"The smartest export Canada ever sent to the United States."


Get Firefox!
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Hiding Pages?

[Anne Robotti]

> Exactly. But the important concept is that it is content (text,
> graphics)
> that gets conditionalized to be hidden rather than the pages 
> that contain the content.
> 
> My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
> Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ

Which, of course, is even better because you can fine-tune the entire
book for a specific product.

I have a product that gets OEM'ed under four different names. NOTHING
changes except the name of the product and the faceplate (and the price,
I imagine, but I digress.)

So some of my lines look like "Configuring the ProdAProdBProdCProdD for
Ethernet Access" when you uncondition all the text. Hide the ProdB,
ProdC and ProdD condition tags, and it turns into "Configuring the ProdA
for Ethernet Access."

(Just showing Brady an example of how it might work in a finer context
than a page.)

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Hiding Pages?

[Ridder, Fred]

In a situation where only the name changes, I find that it is *much*
more maintainable to use a variable for the product name because
you only have to make a change in one place (the variable's value
definition) when one of the names changes or when a new variant
is added to the list. If you use conditional text for product names, 
you have to use Find/Change to locate and update every instance 
of any name that changes and you have to add a new condition
and explicitly add new conditionalized content in each appropriate
location when a new product name is added to the list. It's *much*
more time consuming and *much* more prone to errors (particularly 
considering the shortcomings of FrameMaker's Find/Change 
command).

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Intel
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[mailto:framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Anne Robotti
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 11:48 AM
To: Schoen, Brady
Cc: framers at frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Hiding Pages?

> Exactly. But the important concept is that it is content (text,
> graphics)
> that gets conditionalized to be hidden rather than the pages 
> that contain the content.
> 
> My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
> Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ

Which, of course, is even better because you can fine-tune the entire
book for a specific product.

I have a product that gets OEM'ed under four different names. NOTHING
changes except the name of the product and the faceplate (and the price,
I imagine, but I digress.)

So some of my lines look like "Configuring the ProdAProdBProdCProdD for
Ethernet Access" when you uncondition all the text. Hide the ProdB,
ProdC and ProdD condition tags, and it turns into "Configuring the ProdA
for Ethernet Access."

(Just showing Brady an example of how it might work in a finer context
than a page.)

Anne



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HTML Help vs. Webhelp

[Gillian Flato]

Hey guys

I am trying to decide whether or not I should do Browser-based (Web)
help or compiled (.chm) help for my Windows software. What are the
advantages and disadvantages to both?

Is one better if the the software is memory intensive?



Thanks,

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HTML Help vs. Webhelp

[Linda G. Gallagher]

Gillian,

We should probably take this off this list, since it's not really a Frame
question, but here are some thoughts:

Browser-based help

- May permit more flexible design of buttons and other navigation.

- May be cross-browser, cross-platform if that's needed down the road.

- Can be served up from a server.

HTML Help (.chm)

- One compressed file to distribute and store.

- Works on all Windows systems.

- May be familiar to users.

If an application is Windows only and a desktop application, I tend to
suggest .chm.

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Subject: HTML Help vs. Webhelp


Hey guys

I am trying to decide whether or not I should do Browser-based (Web)
help or compiled (.chm) help for my Windows software. What are the
advantages and disadvantages to both?

Is one better if the the software is memory intensive?



Thanks,

Gillian Flato

Technical Writer (Software)

NANOmetrics, Inc.

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Entire FM Help available as a PDF

[Paul Findon]

On 8 Jun 2006, at 14:51, Steve Rickaby wrote:

> Well, it is to FrameMaker users on Mac, as my experience is that the 
> FrameMaker 6 help reader is broken when used from Classic, and the 
> help files cannot be reached. It typically produces messages such as 
> 'The file 'fm6.hlp' couldn't be opened or couldn't be found because of 
> an error #-35' (-35 = 'file not found').

Could this be one of those Classic apps that breaks with 10.4 Tiger? 
Works OK for me with 10.3.9.

> Also, in OS X, Apple's Preview application is a much nicer PDF reader 
> for manuals than QuickHelp.

Ah! FrameMaker 6 does indeed use QuickHelp, as I'm sometimes reminded 
when I inadvertently press the Help key /-:

> FrameMaker 7's help for Mac opens in Internet Explorer. Need I say 
> more?

You can change this to any Web browser you like. I've set mine to 
Safari. See
 for details.

Paul

OT: Converting CGM to TIF

[Rick Quatro]

Hello All,

I am looking for a good way to convert CGMs to TIFs. It would be nice to 
have something that I could call with a command line so I can automate the 
conversion. Any recommendations would be appreciated. Thanks!

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com

Converting CGM to TIF

[Judy Keene]

Rick,
   Hi! Look at freeware Irfanview - it is very versatile, many format
conversions instantly, for a  single file or batches of files. You will
love it!  http://www.irfanview.com/

 Judy

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To: framers at FrameUsers.com; framers at omsys.com
Subject: OT: Converting CGM to TIF

Hello All,

I am looking for a good way to convert CGMs to TIFs. It would be nice to

have something that I could call with a command line so I can automate
the 
conversion. Any recommendations would be appreciated. Thanks!

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com

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Converting CGM to TIF

[Spreadbury, David]

Rick,
You might try looking around http://www.cgmopen.org/webcgm/filters.html.

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Subject: OT: Converting CGM to TIF

Hello All,

I am looking for a good way to convert CGMs to TIFs. It would be nice to

have something that I could call with a command line so I can automate
the 
conversion. Any recommendations would be appreciated. Thanks!

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com

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Converting CGM to TIF

[Spreadbury, David]

Nope. IrfanView doesn't convert to CGM. That was my first choice, until
I looked. Great tool, but unfortunately no CGM support.

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   Hi! Look at freeware Irfanview - it is very versatile, many format
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Hiding Pages?

[Schoen, Brady]

Is it at all possible to tag an entire page?

What I have is a "Parts Drawing" on the left, and the "Parts Listing" on the
right for each brand. The entire page is specific to each brand, not just a
word or the drawing, the entire page. What I did was put all 8 decal pages
(1 Drawing page and 1 parts listing page for each brand x 4
brands)consecutively in the book. I then highlighted everything on the pages
and tagged everything I wanted shown for each brand as a different tag. What
happens is when I hide 3 tags and show the 1 I want in the book, it leaves a
blank page for all the other brands decal pages that are now hidden. If I
delete the extra pages, I can't get it to show the other three tagged items
again. Any ideas?

Thanks,
Brady

-Original Message-
From: Anne Robotti [mailto:arobo...@journalregister.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 10:48 AM
To: Schoen, Brady
Cc: framers at frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Hiding Pages?


> Exactly. But the important concept is that it is content (text,
> graphics)
> that gets conditionalized to be hidden rather than the pages 
> that contain the content.
> 
> My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
> Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ

Which, of course, is even better because you can fine-tune the entire
book for a specific product.

I have a product that gets OEM'ed under four different names. NOTHING
changes except the name of the product and the faceplate (and the price,
I imagine, but I digress.)

So some of my lines look like "Configuring the ProdAProdBProdCProdD for
Ethernet Access" when you uncondition all the text. Hide the ProdB,
ProdC and ProdD condition tags, and it turns into "Configuring the ProdA
for Ethernet Access."

(Just showing Brady an example of how it might work in a finer context
than a page.)

Anne



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Hiding Pages?

[Spreadbury, David]

I haven't followed this from the beginning, so be easy on me.

How many pages are you talking about?

If it isn't 500 pages (doable but nasty), you could make a unique file
for each page, create a book file for each brand, and only call the
pages you want for each brand.

BrandA
  Page 1
  Page 5
  Page 7

BrandB
  Page 2
  Page 3
  Page 4
  Page 6

In those instances where both brands use the same page, call that page,
or those pages, in both (all?) books.

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[mailto:framers-bounces+david.spreadbury=tellabs.com at lists.frameusers.co
m] On Behalf Of Schoen, Brady
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 1:39 PM
To: 'Anne Robotti'
Cc: framers at frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Hiding Pages?

Is it at all possible to tag an entire page?

What I have is a "Parts Drawing" on the left, and the "Parts Listing" on
the
right for each brand. The entire page is specific to each brand, not
just a
word or the drawing, the entire page. What I did was put all 8 decal
pages
(1 Drawing page and 1 parts listing page for each brand x 4
brands)consecutively in the book. I then highlighted everything on the
pages
and tagged everything I wanted shown for each brand as a different tag.
What
happens is when I hide 3 tags and show the 1 I want in the book, it
leaves a
blank page for all the other brands decal pages that are now hidden. If
I
delete the extra pages, I can't get it to show the other three tagged
items
again. Any ideas?

Thanks,
Brady

-Original Message-
From: Anne Robotti [mailto:arobo...@journalregister.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 10:48 AM
To: Schoen, Brady
Cc: framers at frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Hiding Pages?


> Exactly. But the important concept is that it is content (text,
> graphics)
> that gets conditionalized to be hidden rather than the pages 
> that contain the content.
> 
> My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
> Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ

Which, of course, is even better because you can fine-tune the entire
book for a specific product.

I have a product that gets OEM'ed under four different names. NOTHING
changes except the name of the product and the faceplate (and the price,
I imagine, but I digress.)

So some of my lines look like "Configuring the ProdAProdBProdCProdD for
Ethernet Access" when you uncondition all the text. Hide the ProdB,
ProdC and ProdD condition tags, and it turns into "Configuring the ProdA
for Ethernet Access."

(Just showing Brady an example of how it might work in a finer context
than a page.)

Anne

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Changing the Figure Caption location

[Yvonne Mills]

Hello all.

I'm using FrameMaker (7.1p114, on PC with Win XP SP2) for my User's
Guides then converting to HTML using WebWorks (the STANDARD version, not
PRO).

In our template we have a Figure table that automatically puts "Figure
n" under the graphic (with "n" being the auto number) each time we
insert a figure table.

In the print guide, it looks "normal" to have the figure caption under
the graphic.  However, when converting to HTML, this doesn't seem right.
When the user clicks on a link to the graphic, they don't see the
graphic. This is because the link is pointed to the figure caption, not
the graphic. Sure, all the user has to do is scroll up, but I would like
to move the Figure caption to the top of the graphic.

I vaguely remember this being discussed before.  I tried to search the
archives, but didn't have much luck.  I'm sure it's something easy,
although I looked at the Table Designer and figured I would simply move
the table title from below the table to above, but found that there was
_no_ table title.  I even (briefly) checked the Master and Reference
pages and Frame's online help, but didn't find anything.

Thanks in advance for your help. 

Regards,
Yvonne Mills

OT: Converting CGM to TIF

[ihawk...@sundorne.com]

Try ImageMagick, http://imagemagick.org/script/index.php

It should be able to do what you need, including command line conversions.

Ian

> Hello All,
>
> I am looking for a good way to convert CGMs to TIFs. It would be nice to
>  have something that I could call with a command line so I can automate
> the  conversion. Any recommendations would be appreciated. Thanks!
>
> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing
> 585-659-8267
> www.frameexpert.com

Converting CGM to TIF

[Grant Hogarth]

Check out these converters:
http://www.cgmcentral.com/downloads.htm
http://www.sdicgm.com/sdi_convert.html 

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+grant.hogarth=reuters@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+grant.hogarth=reuters.com at lists.frameusers.com]
On Behalf Of Spreadbury, David
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 12:29 PM
To: Judy Keene; Rick Quatro; framers at frameusers.com; framers at omsys.com
Subject: RE: Converting CGM to TIF

Nope. IrfanView doesn't convert to CGM. That was my first choice, until
I looked. Great tool, but unfortunately no CGM support.

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+david.spreadbury=tellabs@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+david.spreadbury=tellabs.com at lists.frameusers.co
m] On Behalf Of Judy Keene
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 1:22 PM
To: Rick Quatro; framers at FrameUsers.com; framers at omsys.com
Subject: RE: Converting CGM to TIF

Rick,
   Hi! Look at freeware Irfanview - it is very versatile, many format
conversions instantly, for a  single file or batches of files. You will
love it!  http://www.irfanview.com/ 

Changing the Figure Caption location

[Art Campbell]

OK, three thoughts:

If you're using what would be the Table Title as your figure title,
the above/below
setting is a property on the Table Designer dialog box, Basic tab. Ctrl-t, then
Title Position.

If that's set to No Title, though, you're using an unrelated tag to
handle the title.
You should be able to just select it and move it...

If you can't select and move the tag, I'd suspect that whatever
paragraph tag you're
using to anchor the figure table is referencing a frame on a reference
page... In that
para designe window, is there a setting on the Advanced tab for frame
above or below?

Art

On 6/8/06, Yvonne Mills  wrote:
>
> Hello all.
>
> I'm using FrameMaker (7.1p114, on PC with Win XP SP2) for my User's
> Guides then converting to HTML using WebWorks (the STANDARD version, not
> PRO).
>
> In our template we have a Figure table that automatically puts "Figure
> n" under the graphic (with "n" being the auto number) each time we
> insert a figure table.
>
> In the print guide, it looks "normal" to have the figure caption under
> the graphic.  However, when converting to HTML, this doesn't seem right.
> When the user clicks on a link to the graphic, they don't see the
> graphic. This is because the link is pointed to the figure caption, not
> the graphic. Sure, all the user has to do is scroll up, but I would like
> to move the Figure caption to the top of the graphic.
>
> I vaguely remember this being discussed before.  I tried to search the
> archives, but didn't have much luck.  I'm sure it's something easy,
> although I looked at the Table Designer and figured I would simply move
> the table title from below the table to above, but found that there was
> _no_ table title.  I even (briefly) checked the Master and Reference
> pages and Frame's online help, but didn't find anything.
>
> Thanks in advance for your help.
>
> Regards,
> Yvonne Mills
> ___
>
>
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  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

Hiding Pages?

[Combs, Richard]

Schoen, Brady wrote: 

> Is it at all possible to tag an entire page?
> 
> What I have is a "Parts Drawing" on the left, and the "Parts 
> Listing" on the right for each brand. The entire page is 
> specific to each brand, not just a word or the drawing, the 
> entire page. What I did was put all 8 decal pages
> (1 Drawing page and 1 parts listing page for each brand x 4 
> brands)consecutively in the book. I then highlighted 
> everything on the pages and tagged everything I wanted shown 
> for each brand as a different tag. What happens is when I 
> hide 3 tags and show the 1 I want in the book, it leaves a 
> blank page for all the other brands decal pages that are now 
> hidden. If I delete the extra pages, I can't get it to show 
> the other three tagged items again. Any ideas?

The way you describe this, it almost sounds like your drawings and parts
lists aren't part of a text flow, but inserted directly onto pages. Is
that what you're doing? Or is everything in the main text flow, but
you're using custom master pages? 

In any case, the simplest solution is probably to forget about
conditions and set up multiple books instead, one for each brand. You
can do this very quickly using File > Save Book As. All four books would
be identical except for the 2-page chapter with the parts list and
drawing -- there'd be four of those. (I'm assuming the same generated
TOC, LOF, etc., will work in all 4 books, which should be true if all 4
brand-specific files have the same heading(s), e.g., "Parts List," not
"Acme Parts List.") 

You originally said: 

> decal placement. What I would like to do is to make one Book 
> file for this equipment (so I don't have 4 different books to 
> update everytime a change is made), and just change out the 

But there's no need for 4 updates. If the books are identical except for
one file, and that file is always 2 pages in each book, then pagination
will always be the same in all 4, and updating one book updates them
all. 

HTH!
Richard


--
Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-777-0436
--

Hiding Pages?

[lanth...@genelogic.com]

I had the same problem with multiple conditions and finally realized that 
you can't apply a condition at the chapter (file) level. I ended up using 
Structured FrameMaker with the Sourcerer plug-in. I used attributes at the 
top level (file or section) to condition entire files. This works very 
well, but of course, you have to use Structured FrameMaker. 
I never found a way around that problem  and was reluctant to maintain 
different versions of the book file. However, if you make your conditional 
content part of the previous chapter, you should be able to hide it when 
it's printing or conversion time, with page numbering intact.



Lauren Anthone, 
Senior Information Developer
Lead, Information Development Department

Gene Logic, Inc.
50 West Watkins
Gaithersburg, MD  20878
Ph:  240.364.7611
E-mail: lanthone at genelogic.com

Corporate Headquarters
610 Professional Drive
Gaithersburg, MD  20879



"Combs, Richard"  
Sent by: framers-bounces+lanthone=genelogic.com at lists.frameusers.com
06/08/2006 04:08 PM

To
"Schoen, Brady" 
cc
framers at frameusers.com
Subject
RE: Hiding Pages?






Schoen, Brady wrote: 

> Is it at all possible to tag an entire page?
> 
> What I have is a "Parts Drawing" on the left, and the "Parts 
> Listing" on the right for each brand. The entire page is 
> specific to each brand, not just a word or the drawing, the 
> entire page. What I did was put all 8 decal pages
> (1 Drawing page and 1 parts listing page for each brand x 4 
> brands)consecutively in the book. I then highlighted 
> everything on the pages and tagged everything I wanted shown 
> for each brand as a different tag. What happens is when I 
> hide 3 tags and show the 1 I want in the book, it leaves a 
> blank page for all the other brands decal pages that are now 
> hidden. If I delete the extra pages, I can't get it to show 
> the other three tagged items again. Any ideas?

The way you describe this, it almost sounds like your drawings and parts
lists aren't part of a text flow, but inserted directly onto pages. Is
that what you're doing? Or is everything in the main text flow, but
you're using custom master pages? 

In any case, the simplest solution is probably to forget about
conditions and set up multiple books instead, one for each brand. You
can do this very quickly using File > Save Book As. All four books would
be identical except for the 2-page chapter with the parts list and
drawing -- there'd be four of those. (I'm assuming the same generated
TOC, LOF, etc., will work in all 4 books, which should be true if all 4
brand-specific files have the same heading(s), e.g., "Parts List," not
"Acme Parts List.") 

You originally said: 

> decal placement. What I would like to do is to make one Book 
> file for this equipment (so I don't have 4 different books to 
> update everytime a change is made), and just change out the 

But there's no need for 4 updates. If the books are identical except for
one file, and that file is always 2 pages in each book, then pagination
will always be the same in all 4, and updating one book updates them
all. 

HTH!
Richard


--
Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-777-0436
--




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Changing the Figure Caption location

[Yvonne Mills]

Tried the first one. There is No Title.
Checked the third one, None.
As far as the second one, I can't move it. I get a message saying
"Cannot remove all body rows from a table that has heading or footing
rows." I don't see any selections for heading/footing rows in the Table
designer except for the ruling/shading selections.

Thanks,
Yvonne Mills
Technical Writer 2
540-378-1398


-Original Message-
From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 4:08 PM
To: Yvonne Mills
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Changing the Figure Caption location

OK, three thoughts:

If you're using what would be the Table Title as your figure title,
the above/below
setting is a property on the Table Designer dialog box, Basic tab.
Ctrl-t, then
Title Position.

If that's set to No Title, though, you're using an unrelated tag to
handle the title.
You should be able to just select it and move it...

If you can't select and move the tag, I'd suspect that whatever
paragraph tag you're
using to anchor the figure table is referencing a frame on a reference
page... In that
para designe window, is there a setting on the Advanced tab for frame
above or below?

Art

On 6/8/06, Yvonne Mills  wrote:
>
> Hello all.
>
> I'm using FrameMaker (7.1p114, on PC with Win XP SP2) for my User's
> Guides then converting to HTML using WebWorks (the STANDARD version,
not
> PRO).
>
> In our template we have a Figure table that automatically puts "Figure
> n" under the graphic (with "n" being the auto number) each time we
> insert a figure table.
>
> In the print guide, it looks "normal" to have the figure caption under
> the graphic.  However, when converting to HTML, this doesn't seem
right.
> When the user clicks on a link to the graphic, they don't see the
> graphic. This is because the link is pointed to the figure caption,
not
> the graphic. Sure, all the user has to do is scroll up, but I would
like
> to move the Figure caption to the top of the graphic.
>
> I vaguely remember this being discussed before.  I tried to search the
> archives, but didn't have much luck.  I'm sure it's something easy,
> although I looked at the Table Designer and figured I would simply
move
> the table title from below the table to above, but found that there
was
> _no_ table title.  I even (briefly) checked the Master and Reference
> pages and Frame's online help, but didn't find anything.
>
> Thanks in advance for your help.
>
> Regards,
> Yvonne Mills
> ___
>
>
> You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campbell at gmail.com.
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-- 
Art Campbell
art.campbell at gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

Hiding Pages?

[Ridder, Fred]

But the ability to use the same component files in multiple
different book files is one of the foundations of the FrameMaker 
book paradigm. There are some very good reasons for using 
structured FrameMaker, but it's really overkill if all you need 
to do is build several variant books that only have a few
components that differ between the various books. That's the
kind of situation FrameMaker books were designed to handle.

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Intel
Parsippany, NJ



-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of LAnthone at genelogic.com
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 4:31 PM
To: Combs, Richard
Cc: framers at frameusers.com;
framers-bounces+lanthone=genelogic.com at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Hiding Pages?

I had the same problem with multiple conditions and finally realized
that 
you can't apply a condition at the chapter (file) level. I ended up
using 
Structured FrameMaker with the Sourcerer plug-in. I used attributes at
the 
top level (file or section) to condition entire files. This works very 
well, but of course, you have to use Structured FrameMaker. 
I never found a way around that problem  and was reluctant to maintain 
different versions of the book file. However, if you make your
conditional 
content part of the previous chapter, you should be able to hide it when

it's printing or conversion time, with page numbering intact.



Lauren Anthone, 
Senior Information Developer
Lead, Information Development Department

Gene Logic, Inc.
50 West Watkins
Gaithersburg, MD  20878
Ph:  240.364.7611
E-mail: lanthone at genelogic.com

Corporate Headquarters
610 Professional Drive
Gaithersburg, MD  20879

Changing the Figure Caption location

[Ridder, Fred]

Is it possible that the figure title has been put in a footing row?
Do you have the View>Borders option turned on? If so, do you
see a dotted box surrounding the figure title? That dotted border
would indicate that the paragraph is inside some *some* sort of 
table cell. And if that's the case, you'll need to select just the
contents rather than the whole cell (or row) when you attempt
to move the title. Then once you have the title where you want 
it (and if you have used a named style for the figure tables, my 
personal suggestion would be to use the Table Title frame since
you globally relocate all the titles from below the figures to above 
them just before you do your HTML conversion), you can delete 
the empty table row you left behind. 

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Intel
Parsippany, NJ



-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Yvonne Mills
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 4:40 PM
To: Art Campbell
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Changing the Figure Caption location

Tried the first one. There is No Title.
Checked the third one, None.
As far as the second one, I can't move it. I get a message saying
"Cannot remove all body rows from a table that has heading or footing
rows." I don't see any selections for heading/footing rows in the Table
designer except for the ruling/shading selections.

Thanks,
Yvonne Mills
Technical Writer 2
540-378-1398


-Original Message-
From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 4:08 PM
To: Yvonne Mills
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Changing the Figure Caption location

OK, three thoughts:

If you're using what would be the Table Title as your figure title,
the above/below
setting is a property on the Table Designer dialog box, Basic tab.
Ctrl-t, then
Title Position.

If that's set to No Title, though, you're using an unrelated tag to
handle the title.
You should be able to just select it and move it...

If you can't select and move the tag, I'd suspect that whatever
paragraph tag you're
using to anchor the figure table is referencing a frame on a reference
page... In that
para designe window, is there a setting on the Advanced tab for frame
above or below?

Art

On 6/8/06, Yvonne Mills  wrote:
>
> Hello all.
>
> I'm using FrameMaker (7.1p114, on PC with Win XP SP2) for my User's
> Guides then converting to HTML using WebWorks (the STANDARD version,
not
> PRO).
>
> In our template we have a Figure table that automatically puts "Figure
> n" under the graphic (with "n" being the auto number) each time we
> insert a figure table.
>
> In the print guide, it looks "normal" to have the figure caption under
> the graphic.  However, when converting to HTML, this doesn't seem
right.
> When the user clicks on a link to the graphic, they don't see the
> graphic. This is because the link is pointed to the figure caption,
not
> the graphic. Sure, all the user has to do is scroll up, but I would
like
> to move the Figure caption to the top of the graphic.
>
> I vaguely remember this being discussed before.  I tried to search the
> archives, but didn't have much luck.  I'm sure it's something easy,
> although I looked at the Table Designer and figured I would simply
move
> the table title from below the table to above, but found that there
was
> _no_ table title.  I even (briefly) checked the Master and Reference
> pages and Frame's online help, but didn't find anything.
>
> Thanks in advance for your help.
>
> Regards,
> Yvonne Mills

Changing the Figure Caption location

[Yvonne Mills]

Yes, it is a footing row.  I found this when I attempted to delete the
figure caption. I got a message "Cannot remove all body rows from a
table that has heading or footing rows."  So, I see one alternative:
change the Table Title to "Above" and add the figure caption there, and
change the paragraph type in the footing row to another paragraph type
(without any autonumber, such as Anchor or Body).

This is doable, but cumbersome.  I was hoping for an easier/automatic
way.

Thanks,
Yvonne Mills

-Original Message-
From: Ridder, Fred [mailto:fred.rid...@intel.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 4:55 PM
To: Yvonne Mills
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Changing the Figure Caption location

Is it possible that the figure title has been put in a footing row?
Do you have the View>Borders option turned on? If so, do you
see a dotted box surrounding the figure title? That dotted border
would indicate that the paragraph is inside some *some* sort of 
table cell. And if that's the case, you'll need to select just the
contents rather than the whole cell (or row) when you attempt
to move the title. Then once you have the title where you want 
it (and if you have used a named style for the figure tables, my 
personal suggestion would be to use the Table Title frame since
you globally relocate all the titles from below the figures to above 
them just before you do your HTML conversion), you can delete 
the empty table row you left behind. 

My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
Intel
Parsippany, NJ



-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Yvonne Mills
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 4:40 PM
To: Art Campbell
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Changing the Figure Caption location

Tried the first one. There is No Title.
Checked the third one, None.
As far as the second one, I can't move it. I get a message saying
"Cannot remove all body rows from a table that has heading or footing
rows." I don't see any selections for heading/footing rows in the Table
designer except for the ruling/shading selections.

Thanks,
Yvonne Mills
Technical Writer 2
540-378-1398


-Original Message-
From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 4:08 PM
To: Yvonne Mills
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Changing the Figure Caption location

OK, three thoughts:

If you're using what would be the Table Title as your figure title,
the above/below
setting is a property on the Table Designer dialog box, Basic tab.
Ctrl-t, then
Title Position.

If that's set to No Title, though, you're using an unrelated tag to
handle the title.
You should be able to just select it and move it...

If you can't select and move the tag, I'd suspect that whatever
paragraph tag you're
using to anchor the figure table is referencing a frame on a reference
page... In that
para designe window, is there a setting on the Advanced tab for frame
above or below?

Art

On 6/8/06, Yvonne Mills  wrote:
>
> Hello all.
>
> I'm using FrameMaker (7.1p114, on PC with Win XP SP2) for my User's
> Guides then converting to HTML using WebWorks (the STANDARD version,
not
> PRO).
>
> In our template we have a Figure table that automatically puts "Figure
> n" under the graphic (with "n" being the auto number) each time we
> insert a figure table.
>
> In the print guide, it looks "normal" to have the figure caption under
> the graphic.  However, when converting to HTML, this doesn't seem
right.
> When the user clicks on a link to the graphic, they don't see the
> graphic. This is because the link is pointed to the figure caption,
not
> the graphic. Sure, all the user has to do is scroll up, but I would
like
> to move the Figure caption to the top of the graphic.
>
> I vaguely remember this being discussed before.  I tried to search the
> archives, but didn't have much luck.  I'm sure it's something easy,
> although I looked at the Table Designer and figured I would simply
move
> the table title from below the table to above, but found that there
was
> _no_ table title.  I even (briefly) checked the Master and Reference
> pages and Frame's online help, but didn't find anything.
>
> Thanks in advance for your help.
>
> Regards,
> Yvonne Mills

Changing the Figure Caption location

[Art Campbell]

OK, at least you know what to do now.
You can mostly automate the conversion of the footing row to a body
with Rick Quatro's TableCleaner plugin (www.frameexpert.com).
Then if the figure caption is a unique tag... copy an empty anchor or
body paragraph to the clipboard, search for the figure caption tag and
replace it with the contents of the clipboard.

Art


On 6/8/06, Yvonne Mills  wrote:
> Yes, it is a footing row.  I found this when I attempted to delete the
> figure caption. I got a message "Cannot remove all body rows from a
> table that has heading or footing rows."  So, I see one alternative:
> change the Table Title to "Above" and add the figure caption there, and
> change the paragraph type in the footing row to another paragraph type
> (without any autonumber, such as Anchor or Body).
>
> This is doable, but cumbersome.  I was hoping for an easier/automatic
> way.
>
> Thanks,
> Yvonne Mills
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ridder, Fred [mailto:fred.ridder at intel.com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 4:55 PM
> To: Yvonne Mills
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Changing the Figure Caption location
>
> Is it possible that the figure title has been put in a footing row?
> Do you have the View>Borders option turned on? If so, do you
> see a dotted box surrounding the figure title? That dotted border
> would indicate that the paragraph is inside some *some* sort of
> table cell. And if that's the case, you'll need to select just the
> contents rather than the whole cell (or row) when you attempt
> to move the title. Then once you have the title where you want
> it (and if you have used a named style for the figure tables, my
> personal suggestion would be to use the Table Title frame since
> you globally relocate all the titles from below the figures to above
> them just before you do your HTML conversion), you can delete
> the empty table row you left behind.
>
> My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
> Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com)
> Intel
> Parsippany, NJ
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
> Behalf Of Yvonne Mills
> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 4:40 PM
> To: Art Campbell
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Changing the Figure Caption location
>
> Tried the first one. There is No Title.
> Checked the third one, None.
> As far as the second one, I can't move it. I get a message saying
> "Cannot remove all body rows from a table that has heading or footing
> rows." I don't see any selections for heading/footing rows in the Table
> designer except for the ruling/shading selections.
>
> Thanks,
> Yvonne Mills
> Technical Writer 2
> 540-378-1398
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campbell at gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 4:08 PM
> To: Yvonne Mills
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Changing the Figure Caption location
>
> OK, three thoughts:
>
> If you're using what would be the Table Title as your figure title,
> the above/below
> setting is a property on the Table Designer dialog box, Basic tab.
> Ctrl-t, then
> Title Position.
>
> If that's set to No Title, though, you're using an unrelated tag to
> handle the title.
> You should be able to just select it and move it...
>
> If you can't select and move the tag, I'd suspect that whatever
> paragraph tag you're
> using to anchor the figure table is referencing a frame on a reference
> page... In that
> para designe window, is there a setting on the Advanced tab for frame
> above or below?
>
> Art
>
> On 6/8/06, Yvonne Mills  wrote:
> >
> > Hello all.
> >
> > I'm using FrameMaker (7.1p114, on PC with Win XP SP2) for my User's
> > Guides then converting to HTML using WebWorks (the STANDARD version,
> not
> > PRO).
> >
> > In our template we have a Figure table that automatically puts "Figure
> > n" under the graphic (with "n" being the auto number) each time we
> > insert a figure table.
> >
> > In the print guide, it looks "normal" to have the figure caption under
> > the graphic.  However, when converting to HTML, this doesn't seem
> right.
> > When the user clicks on a link to the graphic, they don't see the
> > graphic. This is because the link is pointed to the figure caption,
> not
> > the graphic. Sure, all the user has to do is scroll up, but I would
> like
> > to move the Figure caption to the top of the graphic.
> >
> > I vaguely remember this being discussed before.  I tried to search the
> > archives, but didn't have much luck.  I'm sure it's something easy,
> > although I looked at the Table Designer and figured I would simply
> move
> > the table title from below the table to above, but found that there
> was
> > _no_ table title.  I even (briefly) checked the Master and Reference
> > pages and Frame's online help, but didn't find anything.
> >
> > Thanks in advance for 

Hiding Pages?

[Gillian Flato]

When I had that problem I just created two book files. After I make one
book file, I do the following:

1. Highlight everything in the other book
2. Hit Cntrl F5 and set my conditions
3. Update my book.

That's it, simple, no problem maintaining two books. 

Thanks,

Gillian Flato


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Behalf Of LAnthone at genelogic.com
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 1:31 PM
To: Combs, Richard
Cc: framers at frameusers.com;
framers-bounces+lanthone=genelogic.com at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Hiding Pages?

I had the same problem with multiple conditions and finally realized
that 
you can't apply a condition at the chapter (file) level. I ended up
using 
Structured FrameMaker with the Sourcerer plug-in. I used attributes at
the 
top level (file or section) to condition entire files. This works very 
well, but of course, you have to use Structured FrameMaker. 
I never found a way around that problem  and was reluctant to maintain 
different versions of the book file. However, if you make your
conditional 
content part of the previous chapter, you should be able to hide it when

it's printing or conversion time, with page numbering intact.



Lauren Anthone, 
Senior Information Developer
Lead, Information Development Department

Gene Logic, Inc.
50 West Watkins
Gaithersburg, MD  20878
Ph:  240.364.7611
E-mail: lanthone at genelogic.com

Corporate Headquarters
610 Professional Drive
Gaithersburg, MD  20879



"Combs, Richard"  
Sent by: framers-bounces+lanthone=genelogic.com at lists.frameusers.com
06/08/2006 04:08 PM

To
"Schoen, Brady" 
cc
framers at frameusers.com
Subject
RE: Hiding Pages?






Schoen, Brady wrote: 

> Is it at all possible to tag an entire page?
> 
> What I have is a "Parts Drawing" on the left, and the "Parts 
> Listing" on the right for each brand. The entire page is 
> specific to each brand, not just a word or the drawing, the 
> entire page. What I did was put all 8 decal pages
> (1 Drawing page and 1 parts listing page for each brand x 4 
> brands)consecutively in the book. I then highlighted 
> everything on the pages and tagged everything I wanted shown 
> for each brand as a different tag. What happens is when I 
> hide 3 tags and show the 1 I want in the book, it leaves a 
> blank page for all the other brands decal pages that are now 
> hidden. If I delete the extra pages, I can't get it to show 
> the other three tagged items again. Any ideas?

The way you describe this, it almost sounds like your drawings and parts
lists aren't part of a text flow, but inserted directly onto pages. Is
that what you're doing? Or is everything in the main text flow, but
you're using custom master pages? 

In any case, the simplest solution is probably to forget about
conditions and set up multiple books instead, one for each brand. You
can do this very quickly using File > Save Book As. All four books would
be identical except for the 2-page chapter with the parts list and
drawing -- there'd be four of those. (I'm assuming the same generated
TOC, LOF, etc., will work in all 4 books, which should be true if all 4
brand-specific files have the same heading(s), e.g., "Parts List," not
"Acme Parts List.") 

You originally said: 

> decal placement. What I would like to do is to make one Book 
> file for this equipment (so I don't have 4 different books to 
> update everytime a change is made), and just change out the 

But there's no need for 4 updates. If the books are identical except for
one file, and that file is always 2 pages in each book, then pagination
will always be the same in all 4, and updating one book updates them
all. 

HTH!
Richard


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PageLabeler Plugin

[Lin Surasky]

Anyone use Rick Quatro's PageLabeler Plugin with Frame 7.2? Is it
compatible?

I'm trying to get page number prefixes on my Cover and Copyright pages
(a text prefix), but I can't seem to get it to work. Yes, I did RTM, but
either I'm not following directions properly or something else is wrong.

This is more a curiosity than a serious issue, but I thought I'd ask
anyway
Thanks!
-Lin

PageLabeler Plugin

[John Posada]

Yes, we all do in this group.

--- Lin Surasky  wrote:

> Anyone use Rick Quatro's PageLabeler Plugin with Frame 7.2? Is it
> compatible?

John Posada
Senior Technical Writer
EMC Corporation
 "where information lives"

Hiding Pages?

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Why not maintain, as you say four books? Are the master pages
different? Do they show the different brands (logoes or different
text)?
If that is the case, then I would suggest four book files with four
sets of files which would be referencing by text inset the fifth (and
main) set of files or chunks. What is specific would then be added
directly into the type specific file (chapter?, section?).

I would also suggest with Fred Ridder to use variables.

Structured FM might be a good option here too. In many cases you can
use attributes insetad of variables in structured FM, just like with
XML. A lot of parts manuals are maintained in SGML/XML and/or
Structured FM.

But then I haven't seen your files, have I?

Good luck.

Bodvar

On 6/8/06, Schoen, Brady  wrote:
> Is it at all possible to tag an entire page?
>
> What I have is a "Parts Drawing" on the left, and the "Parts Listing" on the
> right for each brand. The entire page is specific to each brand, not just a
> word or the drawing, the entire page. What I did was put all 8 decal pages
> (1 Drawing page and 1 parts listing page for each brand x 4
> brands)consecutively in the book. I then highlighted everything on the pages
> and tagged everything I wanted shown for each brand as a different tag. What
> happens is when I hide 3 tags and show the 1 I want in the book, it leaves a
> blank page for all the other brands decal pages that are now hidden. If I
> delete the extra pages, I can't get it to show the other three tagged items
> again. Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
> Brady
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Anne Robotti [mailto:arobotti at journalregister.com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 10:48 AM
> To: Schoen, Brady
> Cc: framers at frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Hiding Pages?
>
>
> > Exactly. But the important concept is that it is content (text,
> > graphics)
> > that gets conditionalized to be hidden rather than the pages
> > that contain the content.
> >
> > My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel.
> > Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ
>
> Which, of course, is even better because you can fine-tune the entire
> book for a specific product.
>
> I have a product that gets OEM'ed under four different names. NOTHING
> changes except the name of the product and the faceplate (and the price,
> I imagine, but I digress.)
>
> So some of my lines look like "Configuring the ProdAProdBProdCProdD for
> Ethernet Access" when you uncondition all the text. Hide the ProdB,
> ProdC and ProdD condition tags, and it turns into "Configuring the ProdA
> for Ethernet Access."
>
> (Just showing Brady an example of how it might work in a finer context
> than a page.)
>
> Anne
>
> 
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question re object properties in Frame 7.2

[Charles Grinnell]

The October newsletter of the UK Chapter of STC, has a
review of Frame 7.2 by Sarah O'Keefe:
http://www.stcuk.org/newsletters/October2005/index.htm

Among other items, the reviewer mentions the new
display object propeties in the formatting bar
as "extremely useful". Could FrameMaker 7.2 users
elaborate on this feature?  

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PageLabeler Plugin

[Don and Judy]

Hey, friend,

I've used it. Plugs in easy. Does it's thing slick and gives you exactly
what you got in FM doc. Just make sure you allow the first (cover) page to
be #1. As is mentioned somewhere in the documentation, Reader counts all
pages.

~ Don Spencer

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n Behalf Of Lin Surasky
Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 2:52 PM
To: Framers (E-mail)
Subject: PageLabeler Plugin


Anyone use Rick Quatro's PageLabeler Plugin with Frame 7.2? Is it
compatible?

I'm trying to get page number prefixes on my Cover and Copyright pages
(a text prefix), but I can't seem to get it to work. Yes, I did RTM, but
either I'm not following directions properly or something else is wrong.

This is more a curiosity than a serious issue, but I thought I'd ask
anyway
Thanks!
-Lin
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question re object properties in Frame 7.2

[Don and Judy]

One thing I've picked up, when struggling to highlight and manipulate
graphics or call out frames. By going to object properties, then canceling,
you highlight the object. Then call hold down the Alt key and tapping the
arrows, you can move objects with control.

Grouping call outs and graphics, however, I've had trouble with.

~ Don S.

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Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 2:59 PM
To: framers at frameusers.com
Subject: question re object properties in Frame 7.2


The October newsletter of the UK Chapter of STC, has a
review of Frame 7.2 by Sarah O'Keefe:
http://www.stcuk.org/newsletters/October2005/index.htm

Among other items, the reviewer mentions the new
display object propeties in the formatting bar
as "extremely useful". Could FrameMaker 7.2 users
elaborate on this feature?

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