Re: Deja Vu?? Was: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0

2006-07-18 Thread rebecca officer
According to Shlomo Perets' website
(http://www.microtype.com/FM_bugs.html) people have reported issues
with FM7.x and Save As PDF when using Win98, or tagged PDF, or custom
page sizes, or Acrobat 6.x.

We seem to be fine with it, but we're not using any of the above. ;-)

Cheers, Rebecca


 Diane Gaskill [EMAIL PROTECTED] 18/07/06 17:45 
During the years before Frame 7.0 was released, there were many, many
messages on this list regarding using Save As PDF in FM 6.0.  It worked
for
a few people who happened to have the right printer driver set up but
many
people complained that they were not getting the results they needed. 
A
certain Adobe employee who sometimes posts on this list said many
times,
DON'T USE Save As PDF in FM 6.0 because it is badly broken and usually
gives
undesired results.  When FM 7.0 was released, that same employee did
announce on this list that Save As PDF works correctly in FM 7.0 and
was OK
to use.

Personally, however, I still print to postscript and then distill.  It
always works.

Diane

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 But, in a nutshell, Save As PDF is problematic in all versions of
 FrameMaker. You may, or may not, experience problems. Using Print to
 File and then Distilling eliminates all of these problems.

I have not had issues since 7.0. I believe it to be finally fixed. But
yes, 6.x and earlier was problemmatic and best to print to file.

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Re: Deja Vu?? Was: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0

2006-07-18 Thread Shlomo Perets

Rebecca Officer wrote:


According to Shlomo Perets' website
(http://www.microtype.com/FM_bugs.html) people have reported issues
with FM7.x and Save As PDF when using Win98, or tagged PDF, or custom
page sizes, or Acrobat 6.x.

We seem to be fine with it, but we're not using any of the above. ;-)


Some additional issues related to Save as PDF are listed in FrameMaker 
Annoyances -- under different FM releases, such as:


* The Save as PDF function does not report switching of drivers – output 
may not match current FrameMaker layout (line breaks, page breaks) or 
reflect missing fonts. (unless Adobe PDF is the default printer driver)


* The combination of Save as PDF and Tagged PDF may result in some 
anomalies, such as missing text in shaded table cells.


Other issues have been mentioned in the mailing list, see below.

However way the PDF is produced, it should be thoroughly tested.

Shlomo



Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 07:14:55 +0200
To: Martin Polley [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Shlomo Perets [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Rename PDF, xrefs stop working (more)
Cc: Framers@FrameUsers.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED], 
[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Martin,

You wrote:


With some of the PDFs that I create, if I rename them, the
cross-references stop working, giving this error:

The specified file old file name does not exist.

Does anyone have any idea why this is happening? Is there a workaround?
(Other than don't rename the file...)


As I mentioned earlier, some of the older FrameMaker 5.x versions specify 
internal links with a file name target, in which case renaming the PDF 
causes bad links (even when the PDF is stand-alone, with no links pointing 
to it from other PDFs).


Upon further examination, I was able to reproduce the creation of PDF 
links which use a filename even though the link is internal in FrameMaker 
7.0, 7.1 and 7.2, but only when Save as PDF was used.  In the same 
tests, the problem was not encountered even once when printing books to a 
.ps file and then distilling to PDF.


Given this FrameMaker bug, we may have yet another reason to stick to the 
original PDF file names, yet another reason to print to .ps rather than 
Save as PDF, and yet another reason to test PDF links carefully...



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What is a media technical writer?

2006-07-18 Thread Nandini G
I got a call today from a recruiter and he wanted to know what a media 
technical writer is. I am not sure whether it was a test of  my knowledge or 
whether he was looking for information himself.
   
  Here is the total job description I received minus his name (to protect 
identity):
   
  The Company  is an  World’s Top Most  Web Portal Firm, 
  Company is an  World’s  Fortune 500 Listed Company,
  When you work with this Company ( Our Direct Client),
   
  You'll work with great people, exciting technologies,
  and contribute to the success of an innovative 
  By  working with an  Highly Skilled Professionals Team. 
   
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1. RE: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0 (Paul Grigg)
2. RE: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0 (Spreadbury, David)
3. RE: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0 (Beck, Charles)
4. Re: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0 (Doug)
5. Re: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0 (Bill Swallow)
6. RE: FM cannot find file message (Phil Heron)
7. Re: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0 (John Posada)
8. Re: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0 (Bill Swallow)
9. RE: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0 (Spreadbury, David)
10. Re: FM cannot find file message (Art Campbell)
11. Structured Table (Indents) from SGML structtired/tagged data
(Richard Doll)
12. Re: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0 (Stuart Rogers)
13. RE: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0 (Joe Malin)
14. RE: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0 (John Posada)
15. Deja Vu?? Was: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0
(Diane Gaskill)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:05:52 +0300
From: Paul Grigg 

Subject: RE: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0
To: , 
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

Hi,

Are there any advantages/disadvantages to using the SAVE AS PDF function
over printing to a postscript file and then distilling?

Thanks, Paul 






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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:07:55 -0500
From: Spreadbury, David 
Subject: RE: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0
To: Paul Grigg 
, ,

Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

There are numerous articles and threads on this subject in the archives,
if they are working this morning.

But, in a nutshell, Save As PDF is problematic in all versions of
FrameMaker. You may, or may not, experience problems. Using Print to
File and then Distilling eliminates all of these problems.

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Hi,

Are there any advantages/disadvantages to using the SAVE AS PDF function
over printing to a postscript file and then distilling?

Thanks, Paul 

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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:17:49 -0400
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Subject: RE: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0
To: Spreadbury, David , Paul Grigg

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You don't even need to Print to file if you use an Adobe printer
driver when printing to PDF. In versions 7.x, the printer driver is
Adobe PDF. (I forget just now which one it is in version 6.x--Acrobat
Distiller, maybe?) 

When you do it this way (making sure to *clear* the Print to file
check box), you don't have to later look up the file and distill it. The
print process prompts you for a PDF file name, and then proceeds to
print and distill to PDF wherever you tell it to put the output. 

I've never had a problem doing it this way in Frame 6 or 7--though I

Re: What is a media technical writer?

2006-07-18 Thread Bill Swallow

If a recruiter doesn't know what the job is, time to find a new recruiter.

Most ads for media tech writer I've seen are exactly the same as what
you'd expect from a tech writer. Why they add media to the title, I
don't know. Maybe for flair? Pizzazz?

On 7/18/06, Nandini G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I got a call today from a recruiter and he wanted to know what a media 
technical writer is. I am not sure whether it was a test of  my knowledge or 
whether he was looking for information himself.


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RE: Looking for a technique for applying conditionals

2006-07-18 Thread Combs, Richard
John Posada wrote: 
 
 My issue: I have some instances where they are listed in a 
 bullet list, which makes it easy to apply the conditionals as 
 I need them.
 However, some instances use OS specific references in a sentence.
 Following is an example of one.
 
 -
 This utility collects version information and saves
 the /conf, /local, /rules, and /setup directories to 
 a .tar file (UNIX) or a .zip file (Windows).
 -
 
 I'm looking for a way to apply conditionals so that when 
 applied, the sentence becomes:
 
 -
This utility collects version information and saves
the /conf, /local, /rules, and /setup directories to 
a .tar file (UNIX).
 
 and 
 
This utility collects version information and saves
the /conf, /local, /rules, and /setup directories to 
a .zip file (Windows).
 ---
 
 The tricky part is the word or. When both OSs are used, the 'or
 has its place. However, when either OS is used to the 
 exclusion of the other, the or should be removed.

My advice: Use three conditions, Win, Unix, and Both, and three
_complete_ paragraphs, one for each condition. Applying conditions to a
word here and there is just asking for trouble -- extra spaces or spaces
missing, etc. 

Conditionalize at the pgf level (or at least, at the sentence level).
Even though you end up repeating some of each pgf 3 times, it's much
cleaner, easier to maintain, and less error-prone. 

It's my opinion and it's very true. ;-) 

Richard


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RE: What is a media technical writer?

2006-07-18 Thread Chapa, Kate
Besides publishing, advertising, and print media, this terms is also use
in the IT environment for services or products that are web portal
technology.

This recruiter may not have a clear understanding of the clients product
offering.

Kate Chapa

Technical Recruiter, Human Resources

(877) 393-2020 ext. 399 toll-free

(949) 859-6219 Fax 

IntraLase(r) Corp.

New Shape of Vision(r)

www.intralase.com

 

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Subject: Re: What is a media technical writer?

If a recruiter doesn't know what the job is, time to find a new
recruiter.

Most ads for media tech writer I've seen are exactly the same as what
you'd expect from a tech writer. Why they add media to the title, I
don't know. Maybe for flair? Pizzazz?

On 7/18/06, Nandini G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I got a call today from a recruiter and he wanted to know what a media
technical writer is. I am not sure whether it was a test of  my
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RE: Looking for a technique for applying conditionals

2006-07-18 Thread Joe Malin
This is rather off-topic:

You're not working for Oracle by any chance, are you?

At Oracle I had to deal with all four OSes: Win32, Solaris, Linux, and
HP-UX. I didn't bother with conditionals, though. We had one manual to
cover everything, and put all four in the same manual. I also discovered
that the three variations of UN*X had enough differences between them
that conditionals within a paragraph or even section wouldn't have been
that useful.

Just a note. Also, this meant that the technical marketing team decided
to list each OS separately instead of just saying UN*X. This may not
be what Linux or HP-UX people want to hear, but I think it's a useful
distinction.


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 My advice: Use three conditions, Win, Unix, and Both, and three 
 _complete_ paragraphs, one for each condition. Applying conditions to 
 a word here and there is just asking for trouble -- extra spaces or 
 spaces missing, etc.

The problem with this part is that we have some applications that run on
Solaris and Linux only, some that run on Solaris and HP-UX only, some
that run only on Solaris...you get the idea.

However, I do agree about the problms with conditionalizing at the word
level...just hoping that someone will come out with an ah HAH!
technique. 
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Deja Vu?? Was: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0

2006-07-18 Thread rebecca officer
According to Shlomo Perets' website
(http://www.microtype.com/FM_bugs.html) people have reported issues
with FM7.x and Save As PDF when using Win98, or tagged PDF, or custom
page sizes, or Acrobat 6.x.

We seem to be fine with it, but we're not using any of the above. ;-)

Cheers, Rebecca


>>> "Diane Gaskill"  18/07/06 17:45 >>>
During the years before Frame 7.0 was released, there were many, many
messages on this list regarding using Save As PDF in FM 6.0.  It worked
for
a few people who happened to have the right printer driver set up but
many
people complained that they were not getting the results they needed. 
A
certain Adobe employee who sometimes posts on this list said many
times,
DON'T USE Save As PDF in FM 6.0 because it is badly broken and usually
gives
undesired results.  When FM 7.0 was released, that same employee did
announce on this list that Save As PDF works correctly in FM 7.0 and
was OK
to use.

Personally, however, I still print to postscript and then distill.  It
always works.

Diane

==

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Behalf Of Bill Swallow
Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 8:29 AM
To: Spreadbury, David
Cc: framers at omsys.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com 
Subject: Re: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0


> But, in a nutshell, Save As PDF is problematic in all versions of
> FrameMaker. You may, or may not, experience problems. Using Print to
> File and then Distilling eliminates all of these problems.

I have not had issues since 7.0. I believe it to be finally fixed. But
yes, 6.x and earlier was problemmatic and best to print to file.

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Deja Vu?? Was: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0

2006-07-18 Thread Shlomo Perets
Rebecca Officer wrote:

>According to Shlomo Perets' website
>(http://www.microtype.com/FM_bugs.html) people have reported issues
>with FM7.x and Save As PDF when using Win98, or tagged PDF, or custom
>page sizes, or Acrobat 6.x.
>
>We seem to be fine with it, but we're not using any of the above. ;-)

Some additional issues related to "Save as PDF" are listed in "FrameMaker 
Annoyances" -- under different FM releases, such as:

* The Save as PDF function does not report switching of drivers ? output 
may not match current FrameMaker layout (line breaks, page breaks) or 
reflect missing fonts. (unless "Adobe PDF" is the default printer driver)

* The combination of "Save as PDF" and Tagged PDF may result in some 
anomalies, such as missing text in shaded table cells.

Other issues have been mentioned in the mailing list, see below.

However way the PDF is produced, it should be thoroughly tested.

Shlomo


>Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 07:14:55 +0200
>To: Martin Polley 
>From: Shlomo Perets 
>Subject: Re: Rename PDF, xrefs stop working (more)
>Cc: Framers at FrameUsers.com, frame2acrobat at yahoogroups.com, 
>Kathy.Bowman at saabsystems.com.au, james.brandal at c2i.net
>
>Martin,
>
>You wrote:
>
>>With some of the PDFs that I create, if I rename them, the
>>cross-references stop working, giving this error:
>>
>> The specified file  does not exist.
>>
>>Does anyone have any idea why this is happening? Is there a workaround?
>>(Other than "don't rename the file"...)
>
>As I mentioned earlier, some of the older FrameMaker 5.x versions specify 
>internal links with a file name target, in which case renaming the PDF 
>causes bad links (even when the PDF is stand-alone, with no links pointing 
>to it from other PDFs).
>
>Upon further examination, I was able to reproduce the creation of PDF 
>links which use a filename even though the link is internal in FrameMaker 
>7.0, 7.1 and 7.2, but only when "Save as PDF" was used.  In the same 
>tests, the problem was not encountered even once when printing books to a 
>.ps file and then distilling to PDF.
>
>Given this FrameMaker bug, we may have yet another reason to stick to the 
>original PDF file names, yet another reason to print to .ps rather than 
>Save as PDF, and yet another reason to test PDF links carefully...
>
>
>Shlomo Perets
>
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What is a media technical writer?

2006-07-18 Thread Nandini G
I got a call today from a recruiter and he wanted to know what a media 
technical writer is. I am not sure whether it was a test of  my knowledge or 
whether he was looking for information himself.

  Here is the total job description I received minus his name (to protect 
identity):

  The Company  is an  World???s Top Most  Web Portal Firm, 
  Company is an  World???s  Fortune 500 Listed Company,
  When you work with this Company ( Our Direct Client),

  You'll work with great people, exciting technologies,
  and contribute to the success of an innovative 
  By  working with an  Highly Skilled Professionals Team. 

  Nandini

  Please send a copy to me at nandinioneoneoneatyahoo.com because I subscribe 
to the Digest.



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1. RE: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0 (Paul Grigg)
2. RE: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0 (Spreadbury, David)
3. RE: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0 (Beck, Charles)
4. Re: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0 (Doug)
5. Re: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0 (Bill Swallow)
6. RE: FM "cannot find file" message (Phil Heron)
7. Re: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0 (John Posada)
8. Re: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0 (Bill Swallow)
9. RE: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0 (Spreadbury, David)
10. Re: FM "cannot find file" message (Art Campbell)
11. Structured Table (Indents) from SGML structtired/tagged data
(Richard Doll)
12. Re: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0 (Stuart Rogers)
13. RE: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0 (Joe Malin)
14. RE: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0 (John Posada)
15. Deja Vu?? Was: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0
(Diane Gaskill)


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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:05:52 +0300
From: "Paul Grigg" 

Subject: RE: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0
To: , 
Message-ID: <200607170705.k6H75rRk017134 at michael.checkpoint.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"

Hi,

Are there any advantages/disadvantages to using the SAVE AS PDF function
over printing to a postscript file and then distilling?

Thanks, Paul 






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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:07:55 -0500
From: "Spreadbury, David" 
Subject: RE: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0
To: "Paul Grigg" 
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There are numerous articles and threads on this subject in the archives,
if they are working this morning.

But, in a nutshell, Save As PDF is problematic in all versions of
FrameMaker. You may, or may not, experience problems. Using Print to
File and then Distilling eliminates all of these problems.

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Subject: RE: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0

Hi,

Are there any advantages/disadvantages to using the SAVE AS PDF function
over printing to a postscript file and then distilling?

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Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:17:49 -0400
From: "Beck, Charles" 
Subject: RE: Using SAVE AS PDF in FrameMaker 6.0
To: "Spreadbury, David" , "Paul Grigg"

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You don't even need to "Print to file" if you use an Adobe printer
driver when printing to PDF. In versions 7.x, the printer driver is
"Adobe PDF." (I forget just now which one it is in version 6.x--"Acrobat
Distiller", maybe?) 

When you do 

What is a media technical writer?

2006-07-18 Thread Bill Swallow
If a recruiter doesn't know what the job is, time to find a new recruiter.

Most ads for media tech writer I've seen are exactly the same as what
you'd expect from a tech writer. Why they add "media" to the title, I
don't know. Maybe for flair? Pizzazz?

On 7/18/06, Nandini G  wrote:
> I got a call today from a recruiter and he wanted to know what a media 
> technical writer is. I am not sure whether it was a test of  my knowledge or 
> whether he was looking for information himself.

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Looking for a technique for applying conditionals

2006-07-18 Thread John Posada
Hi, guys...I'm reworking our boilerplate to allow a more accurate
application of our conditional settings from the perspective of
operating systems.

Our applications support anywhere from one to four operatings systems
(Window, Solaris, Linux, and HP-UX). Sometimes we are specific
between the four and sometimes we group the last three under the
catch-all of UNIX. (sorry, open sourcers...this aint gonna change)

My issue: I have some instances where they are listed in a bullet
list, which makes it easy to apply the conditionals as I need them.
However, some instances use OS specific references in a sentence.
Following is an example of one.

-
This utility collects version information and saves
the /conf, /local, /rules, and /setup directories to 
a .tar file (UNIX) or a .zip file (Windows).
-

I'm looking for a way to apply conditionals so that when applied, the
sentence becomes:

-
   This utility collects version information and saves
   the /conf, /local, /rules, and /setup directories to 
   a .tar file (UNIX).

and 

   This utility collects version information and saves
   the /conf, /local, /rules, and /setup directories to 
   a .zip file (Windows).
---

The tricky part is the word "or". When both OSs are used, the 'or"
has its place. However, when either OS is used to the exclusion of
the other, the "or" should be removed.

Short of rewriting the paragraph, has anyone worked out how to deal
with this situation?


John Posada
Senior Technical Writer

"I think the problem, to be quite honest with you, is that you've never 
actually known what the question is."



Looking for a technique for applying conditionals

2006-07-18 Thread Combs, Richard
John Posada wrote: 

> My issue: I have some instances where they are listed in a 
> bullet list, which makes it easy to apply the conditionals as 
> I need them.
> However, some instances use OS specific references in a sentence.
> Following is an example of one.
> 
> -
> This utility collects version information and saves
> the /conf, /local, /rules, and /setup directories to 
> a .tar file (UNIX) or a .zip file (Windows).
> -
> 
> I'm looking for a way to apply conditionals so that when 
> applied, the sentence becomes:
> 
> -
>This utility collects version information and saves
>the /conf, /local, /rules, and /setup directories to 
>a .tar file (UNIX).
> 
> and 
> 
>This utility collects version information and saves
>the /conf, /local, /rules, and /setup directories to 
>a .zip file (Windows).
> ---
> 
> The tricky part is the word "or". When both OSs are used, the 'or"
> has its place. However, when either OS is used to the 
> exclusion of the other, the "or" should be removed.

My advice: Use three conditions, Win, Unix, and Both, and three
_complete_ paragraphs, one for each condition. Applying conditions to a
word here and there is just asking for trouble -- extra spaces or spaces
missing, etc. 

Conditionalize at the pgf level (or at least, at the sentence level).
Even though you end up repeating some of each pgf 3 times, it's much
cleaner, easier to maintain, and less error-prone. 

"It's my opinion and it's very true." ;-) 

Richard


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What is a media technical writer?

2006-07-18 Thread Chapa, Kate
Besides publishing, advertising, and print media, this terms is also use
in the IT environment for services or products that are web portal
technology.

This recruiter may not have a clear understanding of the clients product
offering.

Kate Chapa

Technical Recruiter, Human Resources

(877) 393-2020 ext. 399 toll-free

(949) 859-6219 Fax 

IntraLase(r) Corp.

New Shape of Vision(r)

www.intralase.com



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Behalf Of Bill Swallow
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 1:40 PM
To: Nandini G
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: What is a media technical writer?

If a recruiter doesn't know what the job is, time to find a new
recruiter.

Most ads for media tech writer I've seen are exactly the same as what
you'd expect from a tech writer. Why they add "media" to the title, I
don't know. Maybe for flair? Pizzazz?

On 7/18/06, Nandini G  wrote:
> I got a call today from a recruiter and he wanted to know what a media
technical writer is. I am not sure whether it was a test of  my
knowledge or whether he was looking for information himself.

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HATT List Owner
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Looking for a technique for applying conditionals

2006-07-18 Thread John Posada
> My advice: Use three conditions, Win, Unix, and Both, and three
> _complete_ paragraphs, one for each condition. Applying conditions
> to a word here and there is just asking for trouble -- extra spaces
> or spaces missing, etc. 

The problem with this part is that we have some applications that run
on Solaris and Linux only, some that run on Solaris and HP-UX only,
some that run only on Solaris...you get the idea.

However, I do agree about the problms with conditionalizing at the
word level...just hoping that someone will come out with an "ah HAH!"
technique. 

John Posada
Senior Technical Writer

"I think the problem, to be quite honest with you, is that you've never 
actually known what the question is."



Looking for a technique for applying conditionals

2006-07-18 Thread eric.d...@ca.transport.bombardier.com
framers-bounces+eric.dunn=ca.transport.bombardier.com at lists.frameusers.com 
wrote on 07/18/2006 05:05:52 PM:
> However, I do agree about the problms with conditionalizing at the
> word level...just hoping that someone will come out with an "ah HAH!"
> technique.

> John Posada
> Senior Technical Writer

As long as FrameMaker is limited to OR logic only for show/hide, I doubt 
there is an "ah HAH!" technique. :(

If your number of conditions is limited enough, I've found that in many 
cases it is easier to rewrite and conditionalise paragraphs or at a 
minimum sentences to avoid word level conditions.

But eventually, in my experience, every attempt and conditionalising 
becomes too complex very quickly.

Eric L. Dunn
Senior Technical Writer

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Looking for a technique for applying conditionals

2006-07-18 Thread Joe Malin
This is rather off-topic:

You're not working for Oracle by any chance, are you?

At Oracle I had to deal with all four OSes: Win32, Solaris, Linux, and
HP-UX. I didn't bother with conditionals, though. We had one manual to
cover everything, and put all four in the same manual. I also discovered
that the three variations of UN*X had enough differences between them
that conditionals within a paragraph or even section wouldn't have been
that useful.

Just a note. Also, this meant that the technical marketing team decided
to list each OS separately instead of just saying "UN*X". This may not
be what Linux or HP-UX people want to hear, but I think it's a useful
distinction.


 Joe Malin
Technical Writer
(408)625-1623
jmalin at tuvox.com 
www.tuvox.com
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necessarily reflect those of TuVox, Inc.

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From: framers-bounces+jmalin=tuvox@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+jmalin=tuvox.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
Of John Posada
Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 2:06 PM
To: Combs, Richard; List, Framers
Subject: RE: Looking for a technique for applying conditionals

> My advice: Use three conditions, Win, Unix, and Both, and three 
> _complete_ paragraphs, one for each condition. Applying conditions to 
> a word here and there is just asking for trouble -- extra spaces or 
> spaces missing, etc.

The problem with this part is that we have some applications that run on
Solaris and Linux only, some that run on Solaris and HP-UX only, some
that run only on Solaris...you get the idea.

However, I do agree about the problms with conditionalizing at the word
level...just hoping that someone will come out with an "ah HAH!"
technique.