How many FM users are there?
Hi all, I know Adobe keeps all of their numbers a Big Secret, but I am creating a comparison spreadsheet in my research on FM vs AT and I need to have a general idea of how many FM seats have been installed. FM has been in use since the late 1980s and I would estimate at least 100K seats. If anyone on the list can provide an more accurate number, I'd really appreciate the information. Incidentally, PTC says they have 20K installed seats. Thanks, Diane ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
How many FM users are there?
Hi all, I know Adobe keeps all of their numbers a Big Secret, but I am creating a comparison spreadsheet in my research on FM vs AT and I need to have a general idea of how many FM seats have been installed. FM has been in use since the late 1980s and I would estimate at least 100K seats. If anyone on the list can provide an more accurate number, I'd really appreciate the information. Incidentally, PTC says they have 20K installed seats. Thanks, Diane
xref help
Hi Joanne... This process may be different if your "structured" files were XML-sourced or structured FM binary files .. and if you still have the structured version or if it has already been flattened. I have some plugin code that processes cross-refs (to and from structure) that could probably be tweaked to do what you need .. it would depend on how much of the "link" still exists in the files. If its too far gone you may need to do some processing of MIF files to reconnect the broken references. If you're still in need of help with this feel free to send me an email off-list and we can talk more about what may be needed. ...scott Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 That Darned Writer wrote: > Thanks, Art. As I wrote to Fred, we are grasping for anything at this > point - there are so many now-broken references and (of course) little > time. We do use IXGen here, so we can give that a try. > > > Art Campbell wrote: > >> I think Fred's comments are accurate, but if you do decide you want to >> muck with markers, IXGen accomodates all types of FM markers, not just >> index markers. So that would be my tool of choice... >> >> Art >> >> On 5/8/07, Ridder, Fred wrote: >> >>> I think you may be under a (common) misconception about >>> the marker/paragraph option in the Cross-Reference dialog. >>> That option does *not* change anything about the cross- >>> references themselves. The option only changes the >>> information that is displayed in the dialog. In the one case, >>> the dialog presents you with a list of existing x-ref markers > > >
Re: xref help
Hi Joanne... This process may be different if your "structured" files were XML-sourced or structured FM binary files .. and if you still have the structured version or if it has already been flattened. I have some plugin code that processes cross-refs (to and from structure) that could probably be tweaked to do what you need .. it would depend on how much of the "link" still exists in the files. If its too far gone you may need to do some processing of MIF files to reconnect the broken references. If you're still in need of help with this feel free to send me an email off-list and we can talk more about what may be needed. ...scott Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 That Darned Writer wrote: Thanks, Art. As I wrote to Fred, we are grasping for anything at this point - there are so many now-broken references and (of course) little time. We do use IXGen here, so we can give that a try. Art Campbell wrote: I think Fred's comments are accurate, but if you do decide you want to muck with markers, IXGen accomodates all types of FM markers, not just index markers. So that would be my tool of choice... Art On 5/8/07, Ridder, Fred <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think you may be under a (common) misconception about the marker/paragraph option in the Cross-Reference dialog. That option does *not* change anything about the cross- references themselves. The option only changes the information that is displayed in the dialog. In the one case, the dialog presents you with a list of existing x-ref markers ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
More Elegant Indexing Solution
It looks like this question has already been answered. This Index Mark only affects the specific occurence of its page number. Order in the document does not matter. -- B = On 5/8/07, Reng, Winfried Dr. wrote: > > Hi, > > Just curious: Does this also work when the emphasis page is > the first of the two? Will both of the two page numbers have > emphasis assigned or only the first one? > > Best regards > > Winfried > >
Re: More Elegant Indexing Solution
It looks like this question has already been answered. This Index Mark only affects the specific occurence of its page number. Order in the document does not matter. -- B = On 5/8/07, Reng, Winfried Dr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, Just curious: Does this also work when the emphasis page is the first of the two? Will both of the two page numbers have emphasis assigned or only the first one? Best regards Winfried ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Arabic translations from English FrameMaker files
We are currently doing both the Arabic & Persian languages in Framemaker due to our English source files origin. The method that we are using is the "reverse-mirroring" process in which all the text insertion plus layouts have to be in a mirrored format. The other issues you need to take care of aside from the "mirror mode" are the fonts, illustrations, etc... they too have to be in the mirror format. Though it takes great pain to create these two languages, we can say that the final delivery is still a good one. If your source data can be in Indesign, you might want to consider getting the Adobe Indesign ME (Middle Eastern) version which can handle the Arabic language pretty well coz it can perform a reverse layout from the English with just a click of a button. :) Hope it helps. Regards, Ric Quoting Tanya.Griffin at codan.com.au: > FrameMaker V7.1 (English) > Windows XP Pro SP2 Multi-lingual in Arabic language environment > > I am unable to access the archives to view any previous discussions on this > matter. > > There are websites out there that suggest you can force FrameMaker to play > the game with Arabic text. I am currently massaging English templates to > use with Arabic text, and having to overcome many obstacles; so far I have > discovered some workarounds to achieve the same end, so I have kept going. > Our biggest obstacle is the random insertion of text (not at the cursor > point), and application of character tags and conditional tags that change > the selected text to something completely different. I am assuming that > this is due to the lack of support for unicode characters. This appears to > be a show-stopper. Has anyone had any success in this field? Are there any > plug-ins available? Is it time to abandon commonsense and resort to Word? > > If it can work, does anyone know of an Arabic dictionary that can be > slotted into the file system for use with FrameMaker? Currently I have > assigned None as the language in all paragraph and character tags, but it > would be most useful to assign an Arabic dictionary. > > Regards, > > Tanya Griffin > Technical Documentation Manager > Codan Limited > > 81 Graves Street > NEWTON SA 5074 > > Phone: +61 8 8305 0457 > Fax: +61 8 8305 0411 > Email: tanya.griffin at codan.com.au > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as ric at ssds.com.sg. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/ric%40ssds.com.sg > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
Arabic translations from English FrameMaker files
Hi Tanya, FM does not work well with Arabic (or other without extended ASCII languages). However, for small jobs I have been able to do this by adding settings the environments on my computer to Arabic (except for the keyboard settings -- you should be able to toggle between your regular locale now and the Arabic) and copy the Arabic text from Word or Open Office Writer (and do the necessary changes in there) to a ready FM frame flow. You can even do some changes in FM by finding out the key combinations for the different forms of the arabic letters. The last thing I had done by one of our staff whose native language is Arabic etc. Hope this is of some help. For bigger jobs you would certainly need some outside help. I believe there are several people on the list that could help you there. Bodvar On 5/7/07, Tanya.Griffin at codan.com.au wrote: > FrameMaker V7.1 (English) > Windows XP Pro SP2 Multi-lingual in Arabic language environment > > I am unable to access the archives to view any previous discussions on this > matter. > > There are websites out there that suggest you can force FrameMaker to play > the game with Arabic text. I am currently massaging English templates to > use with Arabic text, and having to overcome many obstacles; so far I have > discovered some workarounds to achieve the same end, so I have kept going. > Our biggest obstacle is the random insertion of text (not at the cursor > point), and application of character tags and conditional tags that change > the selected text to something completely different. I am assuming that > this is due to the lack of support for unicode characters. This appears to > be a show-stopper. Has anyone had any success in this field? Are there any > plug-ins available? Is it time to abandon commonsense and resort to Word? > > If it can work, does anyone know of an Arabic dictionary that can be > slotted into the file system for use with FrameMaker? Currently I have > assigned None as the language in all paragraph and character tags, but it > would be most useful to assign an Arabic dictionary. > > Regards, > > Tanya Griffin > Technical Documentation Manager > Codan Limited > > 81 Graves Street > NEWTON SA 5074 > > Phone: +61 8 8305 0457 > Fax: +61 8 8305 0411 > Email: tanya.griffin at codan.com.au > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as bodvar at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bodvar%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
xref help
I think Fred's comments are accurate, but if you do decide you want to muck with markers, IXGen accomodates all types of FM markers, not just index markers. So that would be my tool of choice... Art On 5/8/07, Ridder, Fred wrote: > I think you may be under a (common) misconception about > the marker/paragraph option in the Cross-Reference dialog. > That option does *not* change anything about the cross- > references themselves. The option only changes the > information that is displayed in the dialog. In the one case, > the dialog presents you with a list of existing x-ref markers > in the target file so that you can choose to refer to an existing > logically marked location. In the other case, the dialog presents > you with a list of all paragraphs with a specified tag so that > you can refer to any arbitrary piece of content regardless of > whether there is already an x-ref marker in that location. > > When using the paragraph list option, if there is already a > marker in the target location, FrameMaker uses it. If there > is not an existing marker, FrameMaker creates a new marker. > And if you then toggle back to the marker list display you > will see that new marker included in the list. But the end > result is the same either way: an x-ref marker in the target > paragraph so that the referring location can find that location. > > If your cross-references got clobbered in the transition from > structured to unstructured, it's because XML handles cross- > references very differently than FrameMaker does internally. > It has nothing to do with the item listing option that is set > in the Cross-Reference dialog. > > My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel. > Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) > Intel > Parsippany, NJ > > > > > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com] On > Behalf Of That Darned Writer > Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 12:27 AM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: xref help > > Hi, all, > > I checked the archives and the power tools list, but didn't find > anything. > > Does anyone of a plugin (or is this a job for Framescript?) that > would crawl through a document and change cross references from a > reference to a type=marker to type=paragraph? > > We have a reference guide that went from structured to unstructured, > and now we have several thousand cross references that are looking > for a marker that's not there. > > Surely someone's run into this. Is there any workaround? > > Thanks, as always! > > > > joanne grey j_grey at writeangles.com > Principal writerwww.writeangles.com -- Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358
parameters from Framemaker to Trados
Hi We have hundreds of parameters like SO2, ctO(x) where some letters are subscript and superscript and some italic. How do we make sure that these parameters are easily converted to Trados and output correctly in the various language translations at the other end. Right now we are creating variables for each parameter and trying to pass them through Trados. Is this the easiest way? Verner Andersen Technical Writer Radiometer Medical ApS ?kandevej 21 ? 2700 Br?nsh?j ? Denmark Tel. +45 38 27 36 12 Mobile. + 45 60 62 27 90 E-mail: verner.andersen at radiometer.dk Web: www.radiometer.com This message (including any attachments) contains confidential and/or proprietary information intended only for the addressee. Any unauthorized disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may constitute a violation of law. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by responding to this e-mail, and delete the message from your system. If you have any questions about this e-mail please notify the sender immediately.
Re: xref help
Thanks, Art. As I wrote to Fred, we are grasping for anything at this point - there are so many now-broken references and (of course) little time. We do use IXGen here, so we can give that a try. Art Campbell wrote: I think Fred's comments are accurate, but if you do decide you want to muck with markers, IXGen accomodates all types of FM markers, not just index markers. So that would be my tool of choice... Art On 5/8/07, Ridder, Fred <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think you may be under a (common) misconception about the marker/paragraph option in the Cross-Reference dialog. That option does *not* change anything about the cross- references themselves. The option only changes the information that is displayed in the dialog. In the one case, the dialog presents you with a list of existing x-ref markers -- Joanne Grey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Write Angles www.writeangles.com Mirrors should reflect a little before throwing back images. -Jean Cocteau ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Fw: More Elegant Indexing Solution
Fred Ridder pointed out that my solution italicizes the whole entry, not just the page number. I haven't tested it, but he claims that putting the at the end of the entry will italicize the page number. I stand corrected. Miriam - Original Message - From: "Miriam Lezak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Brian Weis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 7:16 AM Subject: Re: More Elegant Indexing Solution Of course! Why didn't I remember that? To simplify things a little further, create the following character tags: I -- Italic (Angle = Italic, everything else set to As Is) B -- Bold (Weight = Bold, everything else As Is) D -- Default Para Font (Angle, Weight, and Variation = Regular) Then you can enter the following: Distribution Rules:creating new distribution rules I have found that this just makes my life a little easier (and reduces the number of typos). Miriam ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Automating the application of Master Pages
Thanks for the responses - I'm just back from the long UK holiday weekend. It had never occurred to me that having all master pages defined in a single template (I inherited it some years ago and have added to it occasionally, but have never had to set a template up from scratch) could be disadvantageous so it was interesting to look at it in that light. I see that if I separated the various custom master pages into appropriate templates, defining the standard Left and Right pages in each template accordingly, I would get Apply Master Pages to work. Rick also pointed out about the benefit of this approach regarding deletion of blank master pages on save and correct application of master pages for new content. And yet, my instinct is still to keep the master pages together - resistance to change, I suppose, and the knowledge that there is just a single template to maintain. Coincidentally, this Apply Master Pages issue arose in the first place because I used to have a separate template for landscape chapters, but now I need to cater for the possibility of mixed portrait and landscape pages in the same chapter, so I thought it would be sensible to bring the landscape pages into the standard template and save having to think about separate templates, and then I thought that whilst I was at it I'd take a look at Apply Master Pages. Turns out perhaps I should have been heading the other way all along! I'll mull over all this for the future rather than leap in straight away with a few new templates as it wasn't a big deal to do the master pages manually. But I now know more about custom master pages which is really useful, so thank you. Alexandra Wilowska
Fw: More Elegant Indexing Solution
Fred Ridder pointed out that my solution italicizes the whole entry, not just the page number. I haven't tested it, but he claims that putting the at the end of the entry will italicize the page number. I stand corrected. Miriam - Original Message - From: "Miriam Lezak" To: "Brian Weis" ; Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 7:16 AM Subject: Re: More Elegant Indexing Solution Of course! Why didn't I remember that? To simplify things a little further, create the following character tags: I -- Italic (Angle = Italic, everything else set to As Is) B -- Bold (Weight = Bold, everything else As Is) D -- Default Para Font (Angle, Weight, and Variation = Regular) Then you can enter the following: Distribution Rules:creating new distribution rules I have found that this just makes my life a little easier (and reduces the number of typos). Miriam
xref help
I think you may be under a (common) misconception about the marker/paragraph option in the Cross-Reference dialog. That option does *not* change anything about the cross- references themselves. The option only changes the information that is displayed in the dialog. In the one case, the dialog presents you with a list of existing x-ref markers in the target file so that you can choose to refer to an existing logically marked location. In the other case, the dialog presents you with a list of all paragraphs with a specified tag so that you can refer to any arbitrary piece of content regardless of whether there is already an x-ref marker in that location. When using the paragraph list option, if there is already a marker in the target location, FrameMaker uses it. If there is not an existing marker, FrameMaker creates a new marker. And if you then toggle back to the marker list display you will see that new marker included in the list. But the end result is the same either way: an x-ref marker in the target paragraph so that the referring location can find that location. If your cross-references got clobbered in the transition from structured to unstructured, it's because XML handles cross- references very differently than FrameMaker does internally. It has nothing to do with the item listing option that is set in the Cross-Reference dialog. My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel. Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of That Darned Writer Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 12:27 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: xref help Hi, all, I checked the archives and the power tools list, but didn't find anything. Does anyone of a plugin (or is this a job for Framescript?) that would crawl through a document and change cross references from a reference to a type=marker to type=paragraph? We have a reference guide that went from structured to unstructured, and now we have several thousand cross references that are looking for a marker that's not there. Surely someone's run into this. Is there any workaround? Thanks, as always! joanne grey j_grey at writeangles.com Principal writerwww.writeangles.com
More Elegant Indexing Solution
Hi, Just curious: Does this also work when the emphasis page is the first of the two? Will both of the two page numbers have emphasis assigned or only the first one? Best regards Winfried > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces+wreng=tycoint.com at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces+wreng=tycoint.com at lists.frameusers.com > ]On Behalf > Of Brian Weis > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 10:43 PM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: More Elegant Indexing Solution > > > I've already responded to Kevin, and we have a solution that works. > > > When inserting an index marker for Kevin's "tutorial" > passages, you need to > append the marker text with . This would be the > only difference > between the regular (or standard) reference and the tutorial > references. For > example, using the index entries from Kevin's initial email, > the text of the > index marker for the "creating new distribution rules" > tutorial would be: > > Distribution Rules:creating new distribution rules > > > I tested this in my own doc by trying to create index entries > for a report > description. The first index marker was placed where the description > started. Then I inserted the "" marker where a > sample screenshot > occurred. The resulting Index entry looked like this: > > sales > return detail lookup 36, *37* > > (Yes, the "37" is italicized, but the "36" is not). > > > -- > Brian > > > > From: Kevin Hunter < kevinh at excelsystems.com> > Date: May 5, 2007 2:03 PM > Subject: More Elegant Indexing Solution > To: " framers at lists.frameusers.com" > > Hi everyone, > > I have a series of user guides where the first few chapters typically > include a tutorial, and the rest of the guide includes > reference information > (like for each option on each screen, that type of thing). So > the first > section and the last part may have overlapping topics, where > in the first > section it's more of a how-to approach, and in the last, it > just tells you > what it does. > > What I want to do is reflect this elegantly in the index, > perhaps by having > one type of reference in italics, and the standard references (to the > reference section of the guide) in normal type. Currently I > have a bit of a > cumbersome approach, where in the actual index entries I just > put the word > (tutorial) into the ref. > > So what I want is tha instead of having this type of thing: > > Distribution Rules > creating new distribution rules, 345 > creating new distribution rules (tutorial), 47 > > to have something like > > Distribution Rules > creating new distribution rules, 47, 345 > > (where the 47 is in italics, not sure if that'll come through > when I send > this email). > > Then, in my How to Use this Guide section, I'd just have to > say once that > the italics indicate references to the tutorial sections. > > thanks! > > Kevin > > Kevin Hunter > ExcelSystems Software Development, Inc. > BCD International, Inc. > www.bcdsoftware.com > kevinh at excelsystems.com > (250) 655-1766 > Fax: (250) 655-1733 > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as wreng at tycoint.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/wreng%40ty coint.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
More Elegant Indexing Solution
Character formatting that is specified with a building block at the end of an individual index marker affects only the page number that corresponds to that particular marker. Note that you can use any named character format, not just the predefined Emphasis tag, so you can make the semantics of the page number emphasis as complex as you need to. My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel. Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+fred.ridder=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Reng, Winfried Dr. Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 2:38 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: More Elegant Indexing Solution Hi, Just curious: Does this also work when the emphasis page is the first of the two? Will both of the two page numbers have emphasis assigned or only the first one? Best regards Winfried > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces+wreng=tycoint.com at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces+wreng=tycoint.com at lists.frameusers.com > ]On Behalf > Of Brian Weis > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 10:43 PM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: More Elegant Indexing Solution > > > I've already responded to Kevin, and we have a solution that works. > > > When inserting an index marker for Kevin's "tutorial" > passages, you need to > append the marker text with . This would be the > only difference > between the regular (or standard) reference and the tutorial > references. For > example, using the index entries from Kevin's initial email, > the text of the > index marker for the "creating new distribution rules" > tutorial would be: > > Distribution Rules:creating new distribution rules > > > I tested this in my own doc by trying to create index entries > for a report > description. The first index marker was placed where the description > started. Then I inserted the "" marker where a > sample screenshot > occurred. The resulting Index entry looked like this: > > sales > return detail lookup 36, *37* > > (Yes, the "37" is italicized, but the "36" is not). > > > -- > Brian
xref help
Thanks, Art. As I wrote to Fred, we are grasping for anything at this point - there are so many now-broken references and (of course) little time. We do use IXGen here, so we can give that a try. Art Campbell wrote: > I think Fred's comments are accurate, but if you do decide you want to > muck with markers, IXGen accomodates all types of FM markers, not just > index markers. So that would be my tool of choice... > > Art > > On 5/8/07, Ridder, Fred wrote: > >> I think you may be under a (common) misconception about >> the marker/paragraph option in the Cross-Reference dialog. >> That option does *not* change anything about the cross- >> references themselves. The option only changes the >> information that is displayed in the dialog. In the one case, >> the dialog presents you with a list of existing x-ref markers -- Joanne Grey j_grey at writeangles.com Write Angles www.writeangles.com Mirrors should reflect a little before throwing back images. -Jean Cocteau
Re: xref help
I think Fred's comments are accurate, but if you do decide you want to muck with markers, IXGen accomodates all types of FM markers, not just index markers. So that would be my tool of choice... Art On 5/8/07, Ridder, Fred <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I think you may be under a (common) misconception about the marker/paragraph option in the Cross-Reference dialog. That option does *not* change anything about the cross- references themselves. The option only changes the information that is displayed in the dialog. In the one case, the dialog presents you with a list of existing x-ref markers in the target file so that you can choose to refer to an existing logically marked location. In the other case, the dialog presents you with a list of all paragraphs with a specified tag so that you can refer to any arbitrary piece of content regardless of whether there is already an x-ref marker in that location. When using the paragraph list option, if there is already a marker in the target location, FrameMaker uses it. If there is not an existing marker, FrameMaker creates a new marker. And if you then toggle back to the marker list display you will see that new marker included in the list. But the end result is the same either way: an x-ref marker in the target paragraph so that the referring location can find that location. If your cross-references got clobbered in the transition from structured to unstructured, it's because XML handles cross- references very differently than FrameMaker does internally. It has nothing to do with the item listing option that is set in the Cross-Reference dialog. My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel. Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of That Darned Writer Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 12:27 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: xref help Hi, all, I checked the archives and the power tools list, but didn't find anything. Does anyone of a plugin (or is this a job for Framescript?) that would crawl through a document and change cross references from a reference to a type=marker to type=paragraph? We have a reference guide that went from structured to unstructured, and now we have several thousand cross references that are looking for a marker that's not there. Surely someone's run into this. Is there any workaround? Thanks, as always! joanne grey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Principal writerwww.writeangles.com -- Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
More Elegant Indexing Solution
Of course! Why didn't I remember that? To simplify things a little further, create the following character tags: I -- Italic (Angle = Italic, everything else set to As Is) B -- Bold (Weight = Bold, everything else As Is) D -- Default Para Font (Angle, Weight, and Variation = Regular) Then you can enter the following: Distribution Rules:creating new distribution rules I have found that this just makes my life a little easier (and reduces the number of typos). Miriam - Original Message - From: "Brian Weis" To: Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 4:43 PM Subject: Re: More Elegant Indexing Solution I've already responded to Kevin, and we have a solution that works. When inserting an index marker for Kevin's "tutorial" passages, you need to append the marker text with . This would be the only difference between the regular (or standard) reference and the tutorial references. For example, using the index entries from Kevin's initial email, the text of the index marker for the "creating new distribution rules" tutorial would be: Distribution Rules:creating new distribution rules I tested this in my own doc by trying to create index entries for a report description. The first index marker was placed where the description started. Then I inserted the "" marker where a sample screenshot occurred. The resulting Index entry looked like this: sales return detail lookup 36, *37* (Yes, the "37" is italicized, but the "36" is not). -- Brian From: Kevin Hunter < kev...@excelsystems.com> Date: May 5, 2007 2:03 PM Subject: More Elegant Indexing Solution To: " framers at lists.frameusers.com" Hi everyone, I have a series of user guides where the first few chapters typically include a tutorial, and the rest of the guide includes reference information (like for each option on each screen, that type of thing). So the first section and the last part may have overlapping topics, where in the first section it's more of a how-to approach, and in the last, it just tells you what it does. What I want to do is reflect this elegantly in the index, perhaps by having one type of reference in italics, and the standard references (to the reference section of the guide) in normal type. Currently I have a bit of a cumbersome approach, where in the actual index entries I just put the word (tutorial) into the ref. So what I want is tha instead of having this type of thing: Distribution Rules creating new distribution rules, 345 creating new distribution rules (tutorial), 47 to have something like Distribution Rules creating new distribution rules, 47, 345 (where the 47 is in italics, not sure if that'll come through when I send this email). Then, in my How to Use this Guide section, I'd just have to say once that the italics indicate references to the tutorial sections. thanks! Kevin Kevin Hunter ExcelSystems Software Development, Inc. BCD International, Inc. www.bcdsoftware.com kevinh at excelsystems.com (250) 655-1766 Fax: (250) 655-1733 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as mlezak at marzak.org. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/mlezak%40marzak.org Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info
RE: xref help
I think you may be under a (common) misconception about the marker/paragraph option in the Cross-Reference dialog. That option does *not* change anything about the cross- references themselves. The option only changes the information that is displayed in the dialog. In the one case, the dialog presents you with a list of existing x-ref markers in the target file so that you can choose to refer to an existing logically marked location. In the other case, the dialog presents you with a list of all paragraphs with a specified tag so that you can refer to any arbitrary piece of content regardless of whether there is already an x-ref marker in that location. When using the paragraph list option, if there is already a marker in the target location, FrameMaker uses it. If there is not an existing marker, FrameMaker creates a new marker. And if you then toggle back to the marker list display you will see that new marker included in the list. But the end result is the same either way: an x-ref marker in the target paragraph so that the referring location can find that location. If your cross-references got clobbered in the transition from structured to unstructured, it's because XML handles cross- references very differently than FrameMaker does internally. It has nothing to do with the item listing option that is set in the Cross-Reference dialog. My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel. Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of That Darned Writer Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 12:27 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: xref help Hi, all, I checked the archives and the power tools list, but didn't find anything. Does anyone of a plugin (or is this a job for Framescript?) that would crawl through a document and change cross references from a reference to a type=marker to type=paragraph? We have a reference guide that went from structured to unstructured, and now we have several thousand cross references that are looking for a marker that's not there. Surely someone's run into this. Is there any workaround? Thanks, as always! joanne grey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Principal writerwww.writeangles.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: More Elegant Indexing Solution
Of course! Why didn't I remember that? To simplify things a little further, create the following character tags: I -- Italic (Angle = Italic, everything else set to As Is) B -- Bold (Weight = Bold, everything else As Is) D -- Default Para Font (Angle, Weight, and Variation = Regular) Then you can enter the following: Distribution Rules:creating new distribution rules I have found that this just makes my life a little easier (and reduces the number of typos). Miriam - Original Message - From: "Brian Weis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 4:43 PM Subject: Re: More Elegant Indexing Solution I've already responded to Kevin, and we have a solution that works. When inserting an index marker for Kevin's "tutorial" passages, you need to append the marker text with . This would be the only difference between the regular (or standard) reference and the tutorial references. For example, using the index entries from Kevin's initial email, the text of the index marker for the "creating new distribution rules" tutorial would be: Distribution Rules:creating new distribution rules I tested this in my own doc by trying to create index entries for a report description. The first index marker was placed where the description started. Then I inserted the "" marker where a sample screenshot occurred. The resulting Index entry looked like this: sales return detail lookup 36, *37* (Yes, the "37" is italicized, but the "36" is not). -- Brian From: Kevin Hunter < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: May 5, 2007 2:03 PM Subject: More Elegant Indexing Solution To: " framers@lists.frameusers.com" Hi everyone, I have a series of user guides where the first few chapters typically include a tutorial, and the rest of the guide includes reference information (like for each option on each screen, that type of thing). So the first section and the last part may have overlapping topics, where in the first section it's more of a how-to approach, and in the last, it just tells you what it does. What I want to do is reflect this elegantly in the index, perhaps by having one type of reference in italics, and the standard references (to the reference section of the guide) in normal type. Currently I have a bit of a cumbersome approach, where in the actual index entries I just put the word (tutorial) into the ref. So what I want is tha instead of having this type of thing: Distribution Rules creating new distribution rules, 345 creating new distribution rules (tutorial), 47 to have something like Distribution Rules creating new distribution rules, 47, 345 (where the 47 is in italics, not sure if that'll come through when I send this email). Then, in my How to Use this Guide section, I'd just have to say once that the italics indicate references to the tutorial sections. thanks! Kevin Kevin Hunter ExcelSystems Software Development, Inc. BCD International, Inc. www.bcdsoftware.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] (250) 655-1766 Fax: (250) 655-1733 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/mlezak%40marzak.org Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Arabic translations from English FrameMaker files
We are currently doing both the Arabic & Persian languages in Framemaker due to our English source files origin. The method that we are using is the "reverse-mirroring" process in which all the text insertion plus layouts have to be in a mirrored format. The other issues you need to take care of aside from the "mirror mode" are the fonts, illustrations, etc... they too have to be in the mirror format. Though it takes great pain to create these two languages, we can say that the final delivery is still a good one. If your source data can be in Indesign, you might want to consider getting the Adobe Indesign ME (Middle Eastern) version which can handle the Arabic language pretty well coz it can perform a reverse layout from the English with just a click of a button. :) Hope it helps. Regards, Ric Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: FrameMaker V7.1 (English) Windows XP Pro SP2 Multi-lingual in Arabic language environment I am unable to access the archives to view any previous discussions on this matter. There are websites out there that suggest you can force FrameMaker to play the game with Arabic text. I am currently massaging English templates to use with Arabic text, and having to overcome many obstacles; so far I have discovered some workarounds to achieve the same end, so I have kept going. Our biggest obstacle is the random insertion of text (not at the cursor point), and application of character tags and conditional tags that change the selected text to something completely different. I am assuming that this is due to the lack of support for unicode characters. This appears to be a show-stopper. Has anyone had any success in this field? Are there any plug-ins available? Is it time to abandon commonsense and resort to Word? If it can work, does anyone know of an Arabic dictionary that can be slotted into the file system for use with FrameMaker? Currently I have assigned None as the language in all paragraph and character tags, but it would be most useful to assign an Arabic dictionary. Regards, Tanya Griffin Technical Documentation Manager Codan Limited 81 Graves Street NEWTON SA 5074 Phone: +61 8 8305 0457 Fax: +61 8 8305 0411 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/ric%40ssds.com.sg Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
xref help
Hi, all, I checked the archives and the power tools list, but didn't find anything. Does anyone of a plugin (or is this a job for Framescript?) that would crawl through a document and change cross references from a reference to a type=marker to type=paragraph? We have a reference guide that went from structured to unstructured, and now we have several thousand cross references that are looking for a marker that's not there. Surely someone's run into this. Is there any workaround? Thanks, as always! joanne grey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Principal writerwww.writeangles.com When one tugs at a single thing in nature, he finds it attached to the rest of the world. -John Muir ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: More Elegant Indexing Solution
Character formatting that is specified with a building block at the end of an individual index marker affects only the page number that corresponds to that particular marker. Note that you can use any named character format, not just the predefined Emphasis tag, so you can make the semantics of the page number emphasis as complex as you need to. My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel. Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Reng, Winfried Dr. Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2007 2:38 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: More Elegant Indexing Solution Hi, Just curious: Does this also work when the emphasis page is the first of the two? Will both of the two page numbers have emphasis assigned or only the first one? Best regards Winfried > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > ]On Behalf > Of Brian Weis > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2007 10:43 PM > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: More Elegant Indexing Solution > > > I've already responded to Kevin, and we have a solution that works. > > > When inserting an index marker for Kevin's "tutorial" > passages, you need to > append the marker text with . This would be the > only difference > between the regular (or standard) reference and the tutorial > references. For > example, using the index entries from Kevin's initial email, > the text of the > index marker for the "creating new distribution rules" > tutorial would be: > > Distribution Rules:creating new distribution rules > > > I tested this in my own doc by trying to create index entries > for a report > description. The first index marker was placed where the description > started. Then I inserted the "" marker where a > sample screenshot > occurred. The resulting Index entry looked like this: > > sales > return detail lookup 36, *37* > > (Yes, the "37" is italicized, but the "36" is not). > > > -- > Brian ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Acrobat 8, as part of CS3 Package
Well, the solution to my problem turned out to be a simple one. I erred in saying nothing changed on my system. Monday morning I finally received my registration number for the CS3 package. I activated my CS3. That's when the problems started. The source of the problem was a copy of the evaluation version of Acrobat 8. I had installed this a few weeks ago to look at the new features in Acrobat 8 and see how it would change our workflow. I didn't delete the evaluation version before installing the CS3 version. Apparently the eval print driver and the CS3 print driver clashed causing the strange behavior. I deleted the eval version and CS3 versions of Acrobat 8. Reinstalled the CS3 versions. Doing this apparently deleted the Adobe PDF print driver, so I had to manually reinstall the driver. Once all that was complete I tested and everything seems to be working just fine now. Thanks to those who offered suggestions. - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Acrobat 8, as part of CS3 Package
Well, the solution to my problem turned out to be a simple one. I erred in saying nothing changed on my system. Monday morning I finally received my registration number for the CS3 package. I activated my CS3. That's when the problems started. The source of the problem was a copy of the evaluation version of Acrobat 8. I had installed this a few weeks ago to look at the new features in Acrobat 8 and see how it would change our workflow. I didn't delete the evaluation version before installing the CS3 version. Apparently the eval print driver and the CS3 print driver clashed causing the strange behavior. I deleted the eval version and CS3 versions of Acrobat 8. Reinstalled the CS3 versions. Doing this apparently deleted the Adobe PDF print driver, so I had to manually reinstall the driver. Once all that was complete I tested and everything seems to be working just fine now. Thanks to those who offered suggestions. - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.
Re: Arabic translations from English FrameMaker files
Hi Tanya, FM does not work well with Arabic (or other without extended ASCII languages). However, for small jobs I have been able to do this by adding settings the environments on my computer to Arabic (except for the keyboard settings -- you should be able to toggle between your regular locale now and the Arabic) and copy the Arabic text from Word or Open Office Writer (and do the necessary changes in there) to a ready FM frame flow. You can even do some changes in FM by finding out the key combinations for the different forms of the arabic letters. The last thing I had done by one of our staff whose native language is Arabic etc. Hope this is of some help. For bigger jobs you would certainly need some outside help. I believe there are several people on the list that could help you there. Bodvar On 5/7/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: FrameMaker V7.1 (English) Windows XP Pro SP2 Multi-lingual in Arabic language environment I am unable to access the archives to view any previous discussions on this matter. There are websites out there that suggest you can force FrameMaker to play the game with Arabic text. I am currently massaging English templates to use with Arabic text, and having to overcome many obstacles; so far I have discovered some workarounds to achieve the same end, so I have kept going. Our biggest obstacle is the random insertion of text (not at the cursor point), and application of character tags and conditional tags that change the selected text to something completely different. I am assuming that this is due to the lack of support for unicode characters. This appears to be a show-stopper. Has anyone had any success in this field? Are there any plug-ins available? Is it time to abandon commonsense and resort to Word? If it can work, does anyone know of an Arabic dictionary that can be slotted into the file system for use with FrameMaker? Currently I have assigned None as the language in all paragraph and character tags, but it would be most useful to assign an Arabic dictionary. Regards, Tanya Griffin Technical Documentation Manager Codan Limited 81 Graves Street NEWTON SA 5074 Phone: +61 8 8305 0457 Fax: +61 8 8305 0411 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bodvar%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Automating the application of Master Pages
Thanks for the responses - I'm just back from the long UK holiday weekend. It had never occurred to me that having all master pages defined in a single template (I inherited it some years ago and have added to it occasionally, but have never had to set a template up from scratch) could be disadvantageous so it was interesting to look at it in that light. I see that if I separated the various custom master pages into appropriate templates, defining the standard Left and Right pages in each template accordingly, I would get Apply Master Pages to work. Rick also pointed out about the benefit of this approach regarding deletion of blank master pages on save and correct application of master pages for new content. And yet, my instinct is still to keep the master pages together - resistance to change, I suppose, and the knowledge that there is just a single template to maintain. Coincidentally, this Apply Master Pages issue arose in the first place because I used to have a separate template for landscape chapters, but now I need to cater for the possibility of mixed portrait and landscape pages in the same chapter, so I thought it would be sensible to bring the landscape pages into the standard template and save having to think about separate templates, and then I thought that whilst I was at it I'd take a look at Apply Master Pages. Turns out perhaps I should have been heading the other way all along! I'll mull over all this for the future rather than leap in straight away with a few new templates as it wasn't a big deal to do the master pages manually. But I now know more about custom master pages which is really useful, so thank you. Alexandra Wilowska ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
parameters from Framemaker to Trados
Hi We have hundreds of parameters like SO2, ctO(x) where some letters are subscript and superscript and some italic. How do we make sure that these parameters are easily converted to Trados and output correctly in the various language translations at the other end. Right now we are creating variables for each parameter and trying to pass them through Trados. Is this the easiest way? Verner Andersen Technical Writer Radiometer Medical ApS Åkandevej 21 ● 2700 Brønshøj ● Denmark Tel. +45 38 27 36 12 Mobile. + 45 60 62 27 90 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.radiometer.com This message (including any attachments) contains confidential and/or proprietary information intended only for the addressee. Any unauthorized disclosure, copying, distribution or reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may constitute a violation of law. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by responding to this e-mail, and delete the message from your system. If you have any questions about this e-mail please notify the sender immediately. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
