Re: Hyphenation in Swedish FM 8

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

I believe there is no real support for Swedish, is it (I forget, as I
have not used FM8 since Beta testing)?

Did you try to set the language to None for the paragraph tags?
After that you can manually hyphenate.

I tried running Dashes Pro on rtf files and it worked except that
their support for Icelandic was not acceptable. You can try the
Swedish version, maybe that one is OK. Then import the rtf into FM8
(with all paragraph tags set to language None), and it should be OK.
Unless, of course, that FM8 should not recognize a-umlaut as a
regular character and mistake it for some kind of space or punctuation
as it does with eth and thorn.

What Dashes Pro does is basically to insert soft hyphens everywhere
allowed. Not nice to have all the extra characters, but an OK
workaround -- if it plays by the rules of the language. There is a 30
day full trial on it.

Really funny that Adobe does not support more languages in FM which
originates with the UNIX environment where you have both aspell and
ispell to work from. Both have excellent support for most languages.
Both have been GPL (General Public License) for a long time, but maybe
Adobe thinks that is stooping too low? Also Adobe have much better
language support in InDesign, but then, Adobe and Adobe, are they
really the same company after all? Often it really does seem they are
not.

Bodvar


On 10/1/07, Rolf Clausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 We have discovered that hyphenation in Swedish does not work in FrameMaker
 8.0. Words are randomly hyphenated and all settings in Paragraph Designer,
 Advanced tab, like Shortest prefix/suffix are ignored.

 Any work-around or other settings to do?

 /Rolf

 --
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 Mallverkstan AB E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Slöjdgatan 2Phone: +46 46 23 52 50
 SE-227 36 LUND  Fax: +46 46 23 52 51
 SWEDEN  http://www.mallverkstan.se
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SV: Hyphenation in Swedish FM 8

[Rolf Clausen]

Thanks for your answer! There has been a Swedish dictionary since version
2.1 (at least) and all previous versions of FrameMaker works as expected. 

Setting the language to None and hyphenate manually is a work-around, but
not acceptable if you have thousands of pages. And, on the other hand, the
Spelling checker will not work if you don't set a language.

It seems to me this is a major bug?

/Rolf

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-Ursprungligt meddelande-
Från: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Skickat: den 2 oktober 2007 11:42
Till: Rolf Clausen
Kopia: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Ämne: Re: Hyphenation in Swedish FM 8

I believe there is no real support for Swedish, is it (I forget, as I
have not used FM8 since Beta testing)?

Did you try to set the language to None for the paragraph tags?
After that you can manually hyphenate.

I tried running Dashes Pro on rtf files and it worked except that
their support for Icelandic was not acceptable. You can try the
Swedish version, maybe that one is OK. Then import the rtf into FM8
(with all paragraph tags set to language None), and it should be OK.
Unless, of course, that FM8 should not recognize a-umlaut as a
regular character and mistake it for some kind of space or punctuation
as it does with eth and thorn.

What Dashes Pro does is basically to insert soft hyphens everywhere
allowed. Not nice to have all the extra characters, but an OK
workaround -- if it plays by the rules of the language. There is a 30
day full trial on it.

Really funny that Adobe does not support more languages in FM which
originates with the UNIX environment where you have both aspell and
ispell to work from. Both have excellent support for most languages.
Both have been GPL (General Public License) for a long time, but maybe
Adobe thinks that is stooping too low? Also Adobe have much better
language support in InDesign, but then, Adobe and Adobe, are they
really the same company after all? Often it really does seem they are
not.

Bodvar


On 10/1/07, Rolf Clausen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 We have discovered that hyphenation in Swedish does not work in FrameMaker
 8.0. Words are randomly hyphenated and all settings in Paragraph Designer,
 Advanced tab, like Shortest prefix/suffix are ignored.

 Any work-around or other settings to do?

 /Rolf

 --
 Rolf Clausen
 Mallverkstan AB E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Slöjdgatan 2Phone: +46 46 23 52 50
 SE-227 36 LUND  Fax: +46 46 23 52 51
 SWEDEN  http://www.mallverkstan.se
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Why are column breaks are ignored after generating?

[Natalie Bircher]

For some reason column breaks are intermittently ignored and text gets
pushed back to column one after generating. Subsequently the next xref link
that appears after the column break, gets broken.sometimes. :-) Any ideas
why this is happening? We have resorted to making the space before the place
we want the column break to be like 300 pts. so it doesn't get screwed up.

 

Natalie Bircher

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RE: Conditional Build Expression

[Lester C. Smalley]

Personally I would include parentheses to clearly indicate what the NOT
clause applies to.  For example,

( Condition A OR Condition B OR Condition C OR Condition D ) NOT
Condition E

is quite different than
 
Condition A OR Condition B OR Condition C OR ( Condition D NOT
Condition E )

I suspect that Frame is generating the message because of the ambiguity
of what NOT applies to.

On  Monday, October 01, 2007 07:20 PM, Flato, Gillian wrote:
 
| I am trying to create a build expression but Frame keeps telling me
that
| I am building an invalid build expression. What is invalid about the
| following expression:
|  
| Condition A OR Condition B OR Condition  C OR Condition D NOT
| Condition E
|  
| Thank you,
|  
| 
| Gillian Flato
| Technical Writer (Software)
| nanometrics
| 1550 Buckeye Dr. 
| Milpitas, CA. 95035
| (408.545.6316
| 7  408.232.5911
| * [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Re: Conditional Build Expression

[Scott Prentice]

That *would* be sensible, but FM doesn't seem to allow parens in these 
expressions. It turns out that the NOT, when used within an expression, 
must be followed by AND .. and they must not be separated by a space. As 
in ..


Condition A OR Condition B OR Condition C OR Condition D ANDNOT 
Condition E

Nice, eh?

...soctt



Lester C. Smalley wrote:

Personally I would include parentheses to clearly indicate what the NOT
clause applies to.  For example,

( Condition A OR Condition B OR Condition C OR Condition D ) NOT
Condition E

is quite different than
 
Condition A OR Condition B OR Condition C OR ( Condition D NOT

Condition E )

I suspect that Frame is generating the message because of the ambiguity
of what NOT applies to.

On  Monday, October 01, 2007 07:20 PM, Flato, Gillian wrote:
 
| I am trying to create a build expression but Frame keeps telling me

that
| I am building an invalid build expression. What is invalid about the
| following expression:
|  
| Condition A OR Condition B OR Condition  C OR Condition D NOT

| Condition E
|  
| Thank you,
|  
| 
| Gillian Flato

| Technical Writer (Software)
| nanometrics
| 1550 Buckeye Dr. 
| Milpitas, CA. 95035

| (408.545.6316
| 7  408.232.5911
| * [EMAIL PROTECTED]


- Lester 
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Re: Conditional Build Expression

[Peter Gold]

On 10/2/07, Scott Prentice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 That *would* be sensible, but FM doesn't seem to allow parens in these
 expressions. It turns out that the NOT, when used within an expression,
 must be followed by AND .. and they must not be separated by a space. As
 in ..

 Condition A OR Condition B OR Condition C OR Condition D 
 ANDNOT Condition E

 Nice, eh?

NICENOT!!! ANDNOT in HelpG

Regards,

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RE: Adobe Technical Communication Suite

[jobs]

The retail price is $1599 (purchased separately, the same tools would
cost $3600). If you currently own one of these Adobe products, you can
upgrade to the Suite for only $999! 

Adobe is also offering a 10% discount on their new Technical Communication
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Re: Adobe Technical Communication Suite

[Bill Swallow]

 The retail price is $1599 (purchased separately, the same tools would
 cost $3600). If you currently own one of these Adobe products, you can
 upgrade to the Suite for only $999!

And it's important to note that the versions of FrameMaker and
RoboHelp in the Suite are different than the stand-alone versions. The
Suite versions have been modified to allow more dynamic linking of
FrameMaker content from within RoboHelp.

That is, even if you already have FM 8, it's in your best interest to
upgrade to the Suite if you're looking at RH 7. Just buying RH 7 will
not get you dynamic linking between the two products.

I've captured Michael Hu's remarks to this effect in my blog (linked
below in my sig).

-- 
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WWP-Users List Owner
Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter
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Re: Adobe Technical Communication Suite

[Bill Swallow]

 The retail price is $1599 (purchased separately, the same tools would
 cost $3600). If you currently own one of these Adobe products, you can
 upgrade to the Suite for only $999!

And it's important to note that the versions of FrameMaker and
RoboHelp in the Suite are different than the stand-alone versions. The
Suite versions have been modified to allow more dynamic linking of
FrameMaker content from within RoboHelp.

That is, even if you already have FM 8, it's in your best interest to
upgrade to the Suite if you're looking at RH 7. Just buying RH 7 will
not get you dynamic linking between the two products.

I've captured Michael Hu's remarks to this effect in my blog (linked
below in my sig).

-- 
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HATT List Owner
WWP-Users List Owner
Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter
STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager
http://techcommdood.blogspot.com
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MadCap software

[John Hedtke]

I just found out third-hand that there's going to be some kind of 
discounted promotional pricing on MadCap software at Lavacon.  They're also 
working out a deal to donate $100 to Habitat for Humanity for every unit 
they sell there, which is one of my favorite charities and I why I'm pumped 
about this.   So if you're in the market for MadCap software and you're 
going to LavaCon, now's the time to get it.


Yours truly,

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Structured questions

[Joel]

Preface: I am trying to learn Structured Frame, XML and DITA - it's all new
to me.

1. I am using one of Frame 8's structured templates, and I inserted a
graphic. Now I want to add a caption, and I tried using a text line. the
Structure View window goes blank when I click on the text line. Do I need to
create an element to reflect this text line?

2. A general, dumb Frame question: How do I ensure that lines aren't
breaking, other than Ctrl + Spacebar between words?

Thanks,

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Hyphenation in Swedish FM 8

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

I believe there is no real support for Swedish, is it (I forget, as I
have not used FM8 since Beta testing)?

Did you try to set the language to "None" for the paragraph tags?
After that you can manually hyphenate.

I tried running Dashes Pro on rtf files and it worked except that
their support for Icelandic was not acceptable. You can try the
Swedish version, maybe that one is OK. Then import the rtf into FM8
(with all paragraph tags set to language "None"), and it should be OK.
Unless, of course, that FM8 should not recognize "a-umlaut" as a
regular character and mistake it for some kind of space or punctuation
as it does with "eth" and "thorn".

What Dashes Pro does is basically to insert soft hyphens everywhere
allowed. Not nice to have all the extra characters, but an OK
workaround -- if it plays by the rules of the language. There is a 30
day full trial on it.

Really funny that Adobe does not support more languages in FM which
originates with the UNIX environment where you have both aspell and
ispell to work from. Both have excellent support for most languages.
Both have been GPL (General Public License) for a long time, but maybe
Adobe thinks that is stooping too low? Also Adobe have much better
language support in InDesign, but then, Adobe and Adobe, are they
really the same company after all? Often it really does seem they are
not.

Bodvar


On 10/1/07, Rolf Clausen  wrote:
> We have discovered that hyphenation in Swedish does not work in FrameMaker
> 8.0. Words are randomly hyphenated and all settings in Paragraph Designer,
> Advanced tab, like "Shortest prefix/suffix" are ignored.
>
> Any work-around or other settings to do?
>
> /Rolf
>
> --
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> Mallverkstan AB E-mail: rolf at mallverkstan.se
> Sl?jdgatan 2Phone: +46 46 23 52 50
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SV: Hyphenation in Swedish FM 8

[Rolf Clausen]

Thanks for your answer! There has been a Swedish dictionary since version
2.1 (at least) and all previous versions of FrameMaker works as expected. 

Setting the language to "None" and hyphenate manually is a work-around, but
not acceptable if you have thousands of pages. And, on the other hand, the
Spelling checker will not work if you don't set a language.

It seems to me this is a major bug?

/Rolf

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Sl?jdgatan 2Phone: +46 46 23 52 50
SE-227 36 LUND  Fax: +46 46 23 52 51
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-Ursprungligt meddelande-
Fr?n: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [mailto:bodvar at gmail.com] 
Skickat: den 2 oktober 2007 11:42
Till: Rolf Clausen
Kopia: framers at lists.frameusers.com
?mne: Re: Hyphenation in Swedish FM 8

I believe there is no real support for Swedish, is it (I forget, as I
have not used FM8 since Beta testing)?

Did you try to set the language to "None" for the paragraph tags?
After that you can manually hyphenate.

I tried running Dashes Pro on rtf files and it worked except that
their support for Icelandic was not acceptable. You can try the
Swedish version, maybe that one is OK. Then import the rtf into FM8
(with all paragraph tags set to language "None"), and it should be OK.
Unless, of course, that FM8 should not recognize "a-umlaut" as a
regular character and mistake it for some kind of space or punctuation
as it does with "eth" and "thorn".

What Dashes Pro does is basically to insert soft hyphens everywhere
allowed. Not nice to have all the extra characters, but an OK
workaround -- if it plays by the rules of the language. There is a 30
day full trial on it.

Really funny that Adobe does not support more languages in FM which
originates with the UNIX environment where you have both aspell and
ispell to work from. Both have excellent support for most languages.
Both have been GPL (General Public License) for a long time, but maybe
Adobe thinks that is stooping too low? Also Adobe have much better
language support in InDesign, but then, Adobe and Adobe, are they
really the same company after all? Often it really does seem they are
not.

Bodvar


On 10/1/07, Rolf Clausen  wrote:
> We have discovered that hyphenation in Swedish does not work in FrameMaker
> 8.0. Words are randomly hyphenated and all settings in Paragraph Designer,
> Advanced tab, like "Shortest prefix/suffix" are ignored.
>
> Any work-around or other settings to do?
>
> /Rolf
>
> --
> Rolf Clausen
> Mallverkstan AB E-mail: rolf at mallverkstan.se
> Sl?jdgatan 2Phone: +46 46 23 52 50
> SE-227 36 LUND  Fax: +46 46 23 52 51
> SWEDEN  http://www.mallverkstan.se
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Why are column breaks are ignored after generating?

[Natalie Bircher]

For some reason column breaks are intermittently ignored and text gets
pushed back to column one after generating. Subsequently the next xref link
that appears after the column break, gets broken.sometimes. :-) Any ideas
why this is happening? We have resorted to making the space before the place
we want the column break to be like 300 pts. so it doesn't get screwed up.



Natalie Bircher

Technical Writer

BackStreet Media

Phone: 320-843-4337 

Fax: 320-842-4236

Email:   natalieb at backstreetmedia.com

Conditional Build Expression

[Lester C. Smalley]

Personally I would include parentheses to clearly indicate what the NOT
clause applies to.  For example,

( "Condition A" OR "Condition B" OR "Condition C" OR "Condition D" ) NOT
"Condition E"

is quite different than

"Condition A" OR "Condition B" OR "Condition C" OR ( "Condition D" NOT
"Condition E" )

I suspect that Frame is generating the message because of the ambiguity
of what NOT applies to.

On  Monday, October 01, 2007 07:20 PM, Flato, Gillian wrote:

| I am trying to create a build expression but Frame keeps telling me
that
| I am building an invalid build expression. What is invalid about the
| following expression:
|  
| "Condition A" OR "Condition B" OR "Condition  C" OR "Condition D" NOT
| "Condition E"
|  
| Thank you,
|  
| 
| Gillian Flato
| Technical Writer (Software)
| nanometrics
| 1550 Buckeye Dr. 
| Milpitas, CA. 95035
| (408.545.6316
| 7  408.232.5911
| * gflato at nanometrics.com


- Lester 
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Conditional Build Expression

[Scott Prentice]

That *would* be sensible, but FM doesn't seem to allow parens in these 
expressions. It turns out that the NOT, when used within an expression, 
must be followed by AND .. and they must not be separated by a space. As 
in ..

"Condition A" OR "Condition B" OR "Condition C" OR "Condition D" ANDNOT 
"Condition E"

Nice, eh?

...soctt



Lester C. Smalley wrote:
> Personally I would include parentheses to clearly indicate what the NOT
> clause applies to.  For example,
>
> ( "Condition A" OR "Condition B" OR "Condition C" OR "Condition D" ) NOT
> "Condition E"
>
> is quite different than
>  
> "Condition A" OR "Condition B" OR "Condition C" OR ( "Condition D" NOT
> "Condition E" )
>
> I suspect that Frame is generating the message because of the ambiguity
> of what NOT applies to.
>
> On  Monday, October 01, 2007 07:20 PM, Flato, Gillian wrote:
>  
> | I am trying to create a build expression but Frame keeps telling me
> that
> | I am building an invalid build expression. What is invalid about the
> | following expression:
> |  
> | "Condition A" OR "Condition B" OR "Condition  C" OR "Condition D" NOT
> | "Condition E"
> |  
> | Thank you,
> |  
> | 
> | Gillian Flato
> | Technical Writer (Software)
> | nanometrics
> | 1550 Buckeye Dr. 
> | Milpitas, CA. 95035
> | (408.545.6316
> | 7  408.232.5911
> | * gflato at nanometrics.com
>
>
> - Lester 
> ---
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> Information Consultants, Inc.  Phone: 302-239-2942 FAX: 302-239-1712  
> Yorklyn, DE  19736   Web: www.infocon.com 
> ---
>
>
>
>   

Conditional Build Expression

[Peter Gold]

On 10/2/07, Scott Prentice  wrote:
> That *would* be sensible, but FM doesn't seem to allow parens in these
> expressions. It turns out that the NOT, when used within an expression,
> must be followed by AND .. and they must not be separated by a space. As
> in ..
>
> "Condition A" OR "Condition B" OR "Condition C" OR "Condition D" 
> ANDNOT "Condition E"
>
> Nice, eh?

NICENOT!!! ANDNOT in Help

Regards,

Peter
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Adobe Technical Communication Suite

[jobs]

>The retail price is $1599 (purchased separately, the same tools would
>cost $3600). If you currently own one of these Adobe products, you can
>upgrade to the Suite for only $999! 

Adobe is also offering a 10% discount on their new Technical Communication
Suite to LavaCon attendees.  Details at www.lavacon.org

Adobe Technical Communication Suite

[Bill Swallow]

> The retail price is $1599 (purchased separately, the same tools would
> cost $3600). If you currently own one of these Adobe products, you can
> upgrade to the Suite for only $999!

And it's important to note that the versions of FrameMaker and
RoboHelp in the Suite are different than the stand-alone versions. The
Suite versions have been modified to allow more dynamic linking of
FrameMaker content from within RoboHelp.

That is, even if you already have FM 8, it's in your best interest to
upgrade to the Suite if you're looking at RH 7. Just buying RH 7 will
not get you dynamic linking between the two products.

I've captured Michael Hu's remarks to this effect in my blog (linked
below in my sig).

-- 
Bill Swallow
HATT List Owner
WWP-Users List Owner
Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter
STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager
http://techcommdood.blogspot.com

Adobe Technical Communication Suite

[Bill Swallow]

> The retail price is $1599 (purchased separately, the same tools would
> cost $3600). If you currently own one of these Adobe products, you can
> upgrade to the Suite for only $999!

And it's important to note that the versions of FrameMaker and
RoboHelp in the Suite are different than the stand-alone versions. The
Suite versions have been modified to allow more dynamic linking of
FrameMaker content from within RoboHelp.

That is, even if you already have FM 8, it's in your best interest to
upgrade to the Suite if you're looking at RH 7. Just buying RH 7 will
not get you dynamic linking between the two products.

I've captured Michael Hu's remarks to this effect in my blog (linked
below in my sig).

-- 
Bill Swallow
HATT List Owner
WWP-Users List Owner
Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter
STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager
http://techcommdood.blogspot.com

MadCap software

[John Hedtke]

I just found out third-hand that there's going to be some kind of 
discounted promotional pricing on MadCap software at Lavacon.  They're also 
working out a deal to donate $100 to Habitat for Humanity for every unit 
they sell there, which is one of my favorite charities and I why I'm pumped 
about this.   So if you're in the market for MadCap software and you're 
going to LavaCon, now's the time to get it.

Yours truly,

John Hedtke
Author/Consultant/Contract Writer
www.hedtke.com <-- website
541-685-5000 (office landline)
541-554-2189 (cell)
john at hedtke.com (primary email)
johnhedtke at aol.com (secondary email) 

Structured questions

[Joel]

Preface: I am trying to learn Structured Frame, XML and DITA - it's all new
to me.

1. I am using one of Frame 8's structured templates, and I inserted a
graphic. Now I want to add a caption, and I tried using a text line. the
Structure View window goes blank when I click on the text line. Do I need to
create an element to reflect this text line?

2. A general, dumb Frame question: How do I ensure that lines aren't
breaking, other than  + Spacebar between words?

Thanks,

JW