Re: Searching for empty paragraphs

[Yves Barbion]

Hi Pat,

Mekon has a plug-in called "mTools". It can remove empty paragraphs, but I'm
not sure what it does with the formatting of the paragraphs you want to
keep. It has been a while since I've used it.

You can find more information about mTools here:

http://www.mekon.com/Technology/A-Z/MTools/index.jsp

Kind regards

-- 
Yves Barbion
Documentation Architect
Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor



On 10/5/07, Pat Christenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The problem with that is when you replace it with \p (to get rid of
> the empty), you lose the paragraph formatting you want to keep unless
> both paragraphs (the "good" one and the empty one) use the same
> format. That's what made ^\p such a good solution - you could replace
> it with nothing.
>
> Pat
>
> On Oct 4, 2007, at 7:32 PM, Rick Quatro wrote:
>
> > Hi Pat,
> >
> > How about \P\p
> >
> > Rick Quatro
> > Carmen Publishing
> > 585-659-8267
> > www.frameexpert.com
> >
> >> Hi all -
> >> For years I've used the following wildcat search string to locate
> >> empty paragraphs:
> >> ^\p
> >> (start of line followed by paragraph ending)
> >> It stopped working a couple releases ago (I believe in FM 7,
> >> maybe  earlier). Any suggestions?
> >> If this doesn't work in FM, does anyone know a way of getting rid
> >> of  them in Word? I have a bunch of conversion work coming up.
> >> Thanks.
> >> Pat Christenson
> >
>
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RE: Frame 8 - Acrobat 8 crash

[Dov Isaacs]

Based upon what we know, it is highly unlikely that the Acrobat 8.1
update has anything to do with the problems of "save as PDF" with
FrameMaker 8. Problems appear to be in FrameMaker 8. Update for 
FrameMaker 8 under development now.

- Dov


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> Subject: Re: Frame 8 - Acrobat 8 crash
> 
> > Have you applied the Acrobat 8.1 upgrade / patch?
> 
> In my experience and in the experience of several writers I work with,
> this is the very culprit. Revert back to Acrobat 8.0.
> 
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Frame 8 - Acrobat 8 crash

[Dov Isaacs]

Based upon what we know, it is highly unlikely that the Acrobat 8.1
update has anything to do with the problems of "save as PDF" with
FrameMaker 8. Problems appear to be in FrameMaker 8. Update for 
FrameMaker 8 under development now.

- Dov


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Swallow
> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 6:02 PM
> To: Art Campbell
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Frame 8 - Acrobat 8 crash
> 
> > Have you applied the Acrobat 8.1 upgrade / patch?
> 
> In my experience and in the experience of several writers I work with,
> this is the very culprit. Revert back to Acrobat 8.0.
> 
> --
> Bill Swallow

Searching for empty paragraphs

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Pat,

How about \P\p

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com

> Hi all -
> 
> For years I've used the following wildcat search string to locate  
> empty paragraphs:
> 
> ^\p
> (start of line followed by paragraph ending)
> 
> It stopped working a couple releases ago (I believe in FM 7, maybe  
> earlier). Any suggestions?
> 
> If this doesn't work in FM, does anyone know a way of getting rid of  
> them in Word? I have a bunch of conversion work coming up.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Pat Christenson

Frame 8 - Acrobat 8 crash

[Bill Swallow]

> Have you applied the Acrobat 8.1 upgrade / patch?

In my experience and in the experience of several writers I work with,
this is the very culprit. Revert back to Acrobat 8.0.

-- 
Bill Swallow
HATT List Owner
WWP-Users List Owner
Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter
STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager
http://techcommdood.blogspot.com

Re: Searching for empty paragraphs

[Pat Christenson]

The problem with that is when you replace it with \p (to get rid of  
the empty), you lose the paragraph formatting you want to keep unless  
both paragraphs (the "good" one and the empty one) use the same  
format. That's what made ^\p such a good solution - you could replace  
it with nothing.


Pat

On Oct 4, 2007, at 7:32 PM, Rick Quatro wrote:


Hi Pat,

How about \P\p

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


Hi all -
For years I've used the following wildcat search string to locate   
empty paragraphs:

^\p
(start of line followed by paragraph ending)
It stopped working a couple releases ago (I believe in FM 7,  
maybe  earlier). Any suggestions?
If this doesn't work in FM, does anyone know a way of getting rid  
of  them in Word? I have a bunch of conversion work coming up.

Thanks.
Pat Christenson




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Searching for empty paragraphs

[Pat Christenson]

The problem with that is when you replace it with \p (to get rid of  
the empty), you lose the paragraph formatting you want to keep unless  
both paragraphs (the "good" one and the empty one) use the same  
format. That's what made ^\p such a good solution - you could replace  
it with nothing.

Pat

On Oct 4, 2007, at 7:32 PM, Rick Quatro wrote:

> Hi Pat,
>
> How about \P\p
>
> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing
> 585-659-8267
> www.frameexpert.com
>
>> Hi all -
>> For years I've used the following wildcat search string to locate   
>> empty paragraphs:
>> ^\p
>> (start of line followed by paragraph ending)
>> It stopped working a couple releases ago (I believe in FM 7,  
>> maybe  earlier). Any suggestions?
>> If this doesn't work in FM, does anyone know a way of getting rid  
>> of  them in Word? I have a bunch of conversion work coming up.
>> Thanks.
>> Pat Christenson
>

Re: Searching for empty paragraphs

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Pat,

How about \P\p

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


Hi all -

For years I've used the following wildcat search string to locate  
empty paragraphs:


^\p
(start of line followed by paragraph ending)

It stopped working a couple releases ago (I believe in FM 7, maybe  
earlier). Any suggestions?


If this doesn't work in FM, does anyone know a way of getting rid of  
them in Word? I have a bunch of conversion work coming up.


Thanks.

Pat Christenson


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Searching for empty paragraphs

[Pat Christenson]

Hi all -

For years I've used the following wildcat search string to locate  
empty paragraphs:


^\p
(start of line followed by paragraph ending)

It stopped working a couple releases ago (I believe in FM 7, maybe  
earlier). Any suggestions?


If this doesn't work in FM, does anyone know a way of getting rid of  
them in Word? I have a bunch of conversion work coming up.


Thanks.

Pat Christenson
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Re: Frame 8 - Acrobat 8 crash

[Bill Swallow]

> Have you applied the Acrobat 8.1 upgrade / patch?

In my experience and in the experience of several writers I work with,
this is the very culprit. Revert back to Acrobat 8.0.

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Frame 8 - Acrobat 8 crash

[Art Campbell]

What happens when you print it to the Adobe PDF printer instance?
And there are a bunch of templates... is it an individual file, or a
book with components, or something else?
Have you applied the Acrobat 8.1 upgrade / patch?

Art

On 10/4/07, Joel  wrote:
> Here is my situation:
> Windows XP
> Frame 8
> Acrobat Distiller
> Acrobat 8 Pro
>
> I am using a template from the Frame 5 template pack that I modified in
> Frame 8. I attempt a 'Save As PDF' and Frame immediately crashes - no error,
> no nothing. Any clues as to what is going on?
>


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   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
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Structured questions

[Joel]

Thanks (belatedly) very much Kay.

On 10/3/07, Sales at Bright Path  wrote:
>
> Hi Joel:
>
> 1. If you click in a text line, it goes blank because the text lines are
> not
> attached to structure.  Rather than using a text line or text frame, you
> should keep everything connected in the structure.  That means adding
> elements when more content is needed.  If you can clarify which of the
> Frame
> 8 templates you are using, I'd be happy to help you figure out the
> structure
> and which element will produce the caption.  Our team made the templates
> so
> I am familiar with most of the structures.
>
> 2. FrameMaker allows lines to break, unless you use the "hard space" you
> mention below.  I don't know of a control.  You can control text spacing
> and
> things like that to manually modify the text flow.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Kay
>
> 
> Kay Whatley
> kay at brightpathsolutions.com (NEW EMAIL)
> Bright Path Solutions
> 1.919.244.8559
> Website: http://www.brightpathsolutions.com
> Conferences website: http://conf.travelthepath.com
> SKYPE = kayper
> 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Joel
> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 5:12 PM
> To: framers at frameusers.com
> Subject: Structured questions
>
> Preface: I am trying to learn Structured Frame, XML and DITA - it's all
> new
> to me.
>
> 1. I am using one of Frame 8's structured templates, and I inserted a
> graphic. Now I want to add a caption, and I tried using a text line. the
> Structure View window goes blank when I click on the text line. Do I need
> to
> create an element to reflect this text line?
>
> 2. A general, dumb Frame question: How do I ensure that lines aren't
> breaking, other than  + Spacebar between words?
>
> Thanks,
>
> JW
>
>

Frame 8 - Acrobat 8 crash

[Joel]

Here is my situation:
Windows XP
Frame 8
Acrobat Distiller
Acrobat 8 Pro

I am using a template from the Frame 5 template pack that I modified in
Frame 8. I attempt a 'Save As PDF' and Frame immediately crashes - no error,
no nothing. Any clues as to what is going on?

JW

A delicate question

[Art Campbell]

To figure a contract rate / range, I'd use your salary and add about
1/3 for the bennies that you'll have to pay. Then figure the number of
hours you want to work and how many weeks (or the number of days
you'll be employed). And that's the number with which you divide the
salary sum

Art

On 10/4/07, Art Campbell  wrote:
> I'd check the STC salary survey...  stc.org, although it may be in a
> protected area and you'd have to have a member send you a copy.
>
> Art
>
> On 10/4/07, Christine Beck  wrote:
> >
> > I hope this is an appropriate forum for this, but who else do I ask?
> >
> > Does anyone know the current going rate (contract/hourly) for a Sr. Tech
> > Writer (20 yrs. experience) in the San Francisco Bay area these
> > days?
> >
> > Thanks everyone.
> >
> > BTW, I love this forum!
> >
> > Chris Beck
> >
> >
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   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

Searching for empty paragraphs

[Pat Christenson]

Hi all -

For years I've used the following wildcat search string to locate  
empty paragraphs:

^\p
(start of line followed by paragraph ending)

It stopped working a couple releases ago (I believe in FM 7, maybe  
earlier). Any suggestions?

If this doesn't work in FM, does anyone know a way of getting rid of  
them in Word? I have a bunch of conversion work coming up.

Thanks.

Pat Christenson

A delicate question

[Art Campbell]

I'd check the STC salary survey...  stc.org, although it may be in a
protected area and you'd have to have a member send you a copy.

Art

On 10/4/07, Christine Beck  wrote:
>
> I hope this is an appropriate forum for this, but who else do I ask?
>
> Does anyone know the current going rate (contract/hourly) for a Sr. Tech
> Writer (20 yrs. experience) in the San Francisco Bay area these
> days?
>
> Thanks everyone.
>
> BTW, I love this forum!
>
> Chris Beck
>
>
>
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Re: Frame 8 - Acrobat 8 crash

[Art Campbell]

What happens when you print it to the Adobe PDF printer instance?
And there are a bunch of templates... is it an individual file, or a
book with components, or something else?
Have you applied the Acrobat 8.1 upgrade / patch?

Art

On 10/4/07, Joel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here is my situation:
> Windows XP
> Frame 8
> Acrobat Distiller
> Acrobat 8 Pro
>
> I am using a template from the Frame 5 template pack that I modified in
> Frame 8. I attempt a 'Save As PDF' and Frame immediately crashes - no error,
> no nothing. Any clues as to what is going on?
>


-- 
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   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
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Re: Structured questions

[Joel]

Thanks (belatedly) very much Kay.

On 10/3/07, Sales at Bright Path <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi Joel:
>
> 1. If you click in a text line, it goes blank because the text lines are
> not
> attached to structure.  Rather than using a text line or text frame, you
> should keep everything connected in the structure.  That means adding
> elements when more content is needed.  If you can clarify which of the
> Frame
> 8 templates you are using, I'd be happy to help you figure out the
> structure
> and which element will produce the caption.  Our team made the templates
> so
> I am familiar with most of the structures.
>
> 2. FrameMaker allows lines to break, unless you use the "hard space" you
> mention below.  I don't know of a control.  You can control text spacing
> and
> things like that to manually modify the text flow.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Kay
>
> 
> Kay Whatley
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (NEW EMAIL)
> Bright Path Solutions
> 1.919.244.8559
> Website: http://www.brightpathsolutions.com
> Conferences website: http://conf.travelthepath.com
> SKYPE = kayper
> 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Joel
> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 5:12 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Structured questions
>
> Preface: I am trying to learn Structured Frame, XML and DITA - it's all
> new
> to me.
>
> 1. I am using one of Frame 8's structured templates, and I inserted a
> graphic. Now I want to add a caption, and I tried using a text line. the
> Structure View window goes blank when I click on the text line. Do I need
> to
> create an element to reflect this text line?
>
> 2. A general, dumb Frame question: How do I ensure that lines aren't
> breaking, other than  + Spacebar between words?
>
> Thanks,
>
> JW
>
>
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Frame 8 - Acrobat 8 crash

[Joel]

Here is my situation:
Windows XP
Frame 8
Acrobat Distiller
Acrobat 8 Pro

I am using a template from the Frame 5 template pack that I modified in
Frame 8. I attempt a 'Save As PDF' and Frame immediately crashes - no error,
no nothing. Any clues as to what is going on?

JW
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Why am I losing page and column breaks?

[Stuart Rogers]

Natalie Bircher wrote:
> First, I apologize for my knee-jerk response...to Stuart and all of you.

Oh all right then, since we've both apologized, I won't keep to myself 
after all.  (We're in the middle of an election campaign in Ontario, so 
making promises that won't be kept is the sport-du-jour anyway ;-)

I accept your apology.

> 
> I really, truly had no idea what type of information you would need to
> answer such a question. A polite request for that information would have
> been appropriate, and appreciated.

Well, for hints on how to pose future questions, I suggest you just have 
a look through the archives, or simply read the posts from others that 
will appear in the interim.  The ones that got or will get the fastest, 
most accurate responses are good examples of well-described situations 
and clearly stated problems.

People tell us what their layout is (side-heads or no, multiple master 
pages or no, etc.), what the problem page consists of ("a big table that 
continues overleaf"), what happened immediately before the problem 
occurred (updated the book, imported a text inset, re-opened a file 
saved on a server, etc.), and any other details that make the situation 
unusual (or not).  And of course, as I mentioned before, your OS and FM 
version are important because in many cases the answer is dead simple: 
such-and-such a version of FM for Windoze has a known bug, and here's 
the work-around.

For your own situation, you might have told us about your page layout 
(number of columns, feathered/balanced, proximity to straddling 
paragraphs), whether the problem occurred on every page/column or just 
in certain circumstances, the characteristics of the tags on affected 
paragraphs, how the breaks were applied in the first place, what you did 
that seemed to cause them to fail, and so on.  Think about how you quiz 
your SMEs when you're researching for your documentation, and you will 
have put yourself in the shoes of framers who need information from you 
in order to help.  Too much information is better than too little, and 
much better than none.

Best regards,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

"On the contrary."
-- Henrik Ibsen (last words, after a nurse said he "seemed a little 
better.")

RE: A delicate question

[Karen L. Zorn]

Better than STC salary survey, which I believe is sadly out of date, check
www.salary.com or the US labor department web site. Those numbers seem more
accurate.

Karen L. Zorn
Zorn Technologies, Inc.
Mesa, AZ

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Of Art Campbell
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:56 AM
To: Christine Beck
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: A delicate question

I'd check the STC salary survey...  stc.org, although it may be in a
protected area and you'd have to have a member send you a copy.

Art

On 10/4/07, Christine Beck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I hope this is an appropriate forum for this, but who else do I ask?
>
> Does anyone know the current going rate (contract/hourly) for a Sr. Tech
> Writer (20 yrs. experience) in the San Francisco Bay area these
> days?
>
> Thanks everyone.
>
> BTW, I love this forum!
>
> Chris Beck
>
>
>
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>
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registered in The People's Republic of China and Xyratex Japan Limited
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A delicate question

[Karen L. Zorn]

Better than STC salary survey, which I believe is sadly out of date, check
www.salary.com or the US labor department web site. Those numbers seem more
accurate.

Karen L. Zorn
Zorn Technologies, Inc.
Mesa, AZ

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+k.zorn=zorntech@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+k.zorn=zorntech.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
Of Art Campbell
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:56 AM
To: Christine Beck
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com; framers at omsys.com
Subject: Re: A delicate question

I'd check the STC salary survey...  stc.org, although it may be in a
protected area and you'd have to have a member send you a copy.

Art

On 10/4/07, Christine Beck  wrote:
>
> I hope this is an appropriate forum for this, but who else do I ask?
>
> Does anyone know the current going rate (contract/hourly) for a Sr. Tech
> Writer (20 yrs. experience) in the San Francisco Bay area these
> days?
>
> Thanks everyone.
>
> BTW, I love this forum!
>
> Chris Beck
>
>
>
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Bermuda, Xyratex International Inc, registered in California, Xyratex
(Malaysia) Sdn Bhd registered in Malaysia, Xyratex Technology (Wuxi) Co Ltd
registered in The People's Republic of China and Xyratex Japan Limited
registered in Japan.
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Re: A delicate question

[Art Campbell]

To figure a contract rate / range, I'd use your salary and add about
1/3 for the bennies that you'll have to pay. Then figure the number of
hours you want to work and how many weeks (or the number of days
you'll be employed). And that's the number with which you divide the
salary sum

Art

On 10/4/07, Art Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'd check the STC salary survey...  stc.org, although it may be in a
> protected area and you'd have to have a member send you a copy.
>
> Art
>
> On 10/4/07, Christine Beck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > I hope this is an appropriate forum for this, but who else do I ask?
> >
> > Does anyone know the current going rate (contract/hourly) for a Sr. Tech
> > Writer (20 yrs. experience) in the San Francisco Bay area these
> > days?
> >
> > Thanks everyone.
> >
> > BTW, I love this forum!
> >
> > Chris Beck
> >
> >
> >
> > __
> > This email may contain privileged or confidential information, which should 
> > only be used for the purpose for which it was sent by Xyratex. No further 
> > rights or licenses are granted to use such information. If you are not the 
> > intended recipient of this message, please notify the sender by return and 
> > delete it. You may not use, copy, disclose or rely on the information 
> > contained in it.
> >
> > Internet email is susceptible to data corruption, interception and 
> > unauthorised amendment for which Xyratex does not accept liability. While 
> > we have taken reasonable precautions to ensure that this email is free of 
> > viruses, Xyratex does not accept liability for the presence of any computer 
> > viruses in this email, nor for any losses caused as a result of viruses.
> >
> > Xyratex Technology Limited (03134912), Registered in England & Wales, 
> > Registered Office, Langstone Road, Havant, Hampshire, PO9 1SA.
> >
> > The Xyratex group of companies also includes, Xyratex Ltd, registered in 
> > Bermuda, Xyratex International Inc, registered in California, Xyratex 
> > (Malaysia) Sdn Bhd registered in Malaysia, Xyratex Technology (Wuxi) Co Ltd 
> > registered in The People's Republic of China and Xyratex Japan Limited 
> > registered in Japan.
> > __
> >
>
>
> --
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Why am I losing page and column breaks?

[Stuart Rogers]

Natalie Bircher wrote:
> Stuart!!
> Where do you get off busting my chops? 
> 
> You apparently need more help than the others that have answered my question
> with the information I gave. I didn't need to give them my OS or FM version
> to answer this question. 
> 
> Your tone is arrogant and self-serving.
> 
> You would do better to keep to yourself.
> 
> Natalie
> 

My apologies, Natalie; I did not mean to offend.  Obviously I should 
have sprinkled the posting liberally with winking emoticons, as the 
intended friendly jibe apparently didn't make it through cyberspace.

I admit it is a pet peeve of mine that so often people who are 
supposedly "professional communicators" post (on this and other lists) 
questions that border on the insulting, they are so haphazardly and 
carelessly formed.  Surely our peers deserve a little more effort on the 
part of the questioners, out of simple respect (and self-respect).

If you didn't know what was causing your problem, how did you know that 
no-one would need your OS and version information to solve it?  Have you 
never encountered version- or platform-specific bugs?  It is 
long-established netiquette to include such basic information as a 
matter of course, though you are not by any means alone in omitting it.

I am happy that the psychics on this list were able to identify the 
cause of your problem so quickly.  Please do share the solution.  I 
promise to keep to myself in regard to any future postings from you.

(And thank you, Peter, Rick, Kelly, Richard, and Art, for your 
supportive remarks.)


-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

"On the contrary."
-- Henrik Ibsen (last words, after a nurse said he "seemed a little 
better.")

Re: A delicate question

[Art Campbell]

I'd check the STC salary survey...  stc.org, although it may be in a
protected area and you'd have to have a member send you a copy.

Art

On 10/4/07, Christine Beck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I hope this is an appropriate forum for this, but who else do I ask?
>
> Does anyone know the current going rate (contract/hourly) for a Sr. Tech
> Writer (20 yrs. experience) in the San Francisco Bay area these
> days?
>
> Thanks everyone.
>
> BTW, I love this forum!
>
> Chris Beck
>
>
>
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> only be used for the purpose for which it was sent by Xyratex. No further 
> rights or licenses are granted to use such information. If you are not the 
> intended recipient of this message, please notify the sender by return and 
> delete it. You may not use, copy, disclose or rely on the information 
> contained in it.
>
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> unauthorised amendment for which Xyratex does not accept liability. While we 
> have taken reasonable precautions to ensure that this email is free of 
> viruses, Xyratex does not accept liability for the presence of any computer 
> viruses in this email, nor for any losses caused as a result of viruses.
>
> Xyratex Technology Limited (03134912), Registered in England & Wales, 
> Registered Office, Langstone Road, Havant, Hampshire, PO9 1SA.
>
> The Xyratex group of companies also includes, Xyratex Ltd, registered in 
> Bermuda, Xyratex International Inc, registered in California, Xyratex 
> (Malaysia) Sdn Bhd registered in Malaysia, Xyratex Technology (Wuxi) Co Ltd 
> registered in The People's Republic of China and Xyratex Japan Limited 
> registered in Japan.
> __
>


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Why am I losing page and column breaks?

[Art Campbell]

Ditto. Stuart's comment was fair; you can't help much if you don't
know the context.
I was sorely tempted to hit Reply to the OP and just say "yes."

Art

On 10/4/07, Rick Quatro  wrote:
> In fairness to Stuart (his "tone" notwithstanding), I didn't attempt to
> answer the original question because it wasn't clear to me either. Also, if
> you did receive satisfactory answers from others, please share them with the
> list. Thanks.
>
> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing
> 585-659-8267
> www.frameexpert.com
>
>
> > Stuart!!
> > Where do you get off busting my chops?
> >
> > You apparently need more help than the others that have answered my
> > question
> > with the information I gave. I didn't need to give them my OS or FM
> > version
> > to answer this question.
> >
> > Your tone is arrogant and self-serving.
> >
> > You would do better to keep to yourself.
> >
> > Natalie
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:srogers at phoenix-geophysics.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:53 AM
> > To: natalieb at backstreetmedia.com
> > Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: Re: Why am I losing page and column breaks?
> >
> > Natalie Bircher wrote:
> >> Does anyone know why I would lose page and column breaks?
> >>
> >
> >
> > In the words of a favourite reference librarian of mine, when speaking
> > to patrons with ill-formed questions:
> >
> > "Could you please be a little more vague?"
> >
> > Natalie!!  You are a technical writer.  Please provide some context,
> > lots of details, your OS and FM version, etc. so your audience knows
> > what the heck you are talking about.
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > --
> > Stuart Rogers
> > Technical Communicator
> > Phoenix Geophysics Limited
> > Toronto, ON, Canada
> > +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325
> >

-- 
Art Campbell art.campbell at 
gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

Why am I losing page and column breaks?

[Rick Quatro]

In fairness to Stuart (his "tone" notwithstanding), I didn't attempt to 
answer the original question because it wasn't clear to me either. Also, if 
you did receive satisfactory answers from others, please share them with the 
list. Thanks.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


> Stuart!!
> Where do you get off busting my chops?
>
> You apparently need more help than the others that have answered my 
> question
> with the information I gave. I didn't need to give them my OS or FM 
> version
> to answer this question.
>
> Your tone is arrogant and self-serving.
>
> You would do better to keep to yourself.
>
> Natalie
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:srogers at phoenix-geophysics.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:53 AM
> To: natalieb at backstreetmedia.com
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Why am I losing page and column breaks?
>
> Natalie Bircher wrote:
>> Does anyone know why I would lose page and column breaks?
>>
>
>
> In the words of a favourite reference librarian of mine, when speaking
> to patrons with ill-formed questions:
>
> "Could you please be a little more vague?"
>
> Natalie!!  You are a technical writer.  Please provide some context,
> lots of details, your OS and FM version, etc. so your audience knows
> what the heck you are talking about.
>
> thanks,
>
> -- 
> Stuart Rogers
> Technical Communicator
> Phoenix Geophysics Limited
> Toronto, ON, Canada
> +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325
>
> srogers phoenix-geophysics com
>
> "On the contrary."
> -- Henrik Ibsen (last words, after a nurse said he "seemed a little
> better.")
>

Why am I losing page and column breaks?

[Natalie Bircher]

First, I apologize for my knee-jerk response...to Stuart and all of you.

I really, truly had no idea what type of information you would need to
answer such a question. A polite request for that information would have
been appropriate, and appreciated.



-Original Message-
From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:13 AM
To: natalieb at backstreetmedia.com
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Why am I losing page and column breaks?

Natalie Bircher wrote:
> Stuart!!
> Where do you get off busting my chops? 
> 
> You apparently need more help than the others that have answered my
question
> with the information I gave. I didn't need to give them my OS or FM
version
> to answer this question. 
> 
> Your tone is arrogant and self-serving.
> 
> You would do better to keep to yourself.
> 
> Natalie
> 

My apologies, Natalie; I did not mean to offend.  Obviously I should 
have sprinkled the posting liberally with winking emoticons, as the 
intended friendly jibe apparently didn't make it through cyberspace.

I admit it is a pet peeve of mine that so often people who are 
supposedly "professional communicators" post (on this and other lists) 
questions that border on the insulting, they are so haphazardly and 
carelessly formed.  Surely our peers deserve a little more effort on the 
part of the questioners, out of simple respect (and self-respect).

If you didn't know what was causing your problem, how did you know that 
no-one would need your OS and version information to solve it?  Have you 
never encountered version- or platform-specific bugs?  It is 
long-established netiquette to include such basic information as a 
matter of course, though you are not by any means alone in omitting it.

I am happy that the psychics on this list were able to identify the 
cause of your problem so quickly.  Please do share the solution.  I 
promise to keep to myself in regard to any future postings from you.

(And thank you, Peter, Rick, Kelly, Richard, and Art, for your 
supportive remarks.)


-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

"On the contrary."
-- Henrik Ibsen (last words, after a nurse said he "seemed a little 
better.")

Why am I losing page and column breaks?

[Gagne, Bernard (Bolton)]

Just a shot in the dark here, but were your page and column breaks
applied via manual overrides (using Special>Page Break), and did you
recently re-import your document formats? If so, you blew them away by
re-importing the template.
Manual overrides are rarely the way to go if you want any kind of
formatting consistency. You need to create paragraph tags with the
column break and page break built-in.

Berny Gagne
Lead Writer
Husky Injection Molding Systems Ltd.
Bolton, Ontario, Canada


-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+bgagne=husky...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+bgagne=husky.ca at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf
Of Stuart Rogers
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:53 AM
To: natalieb at backstreetmedia.com
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Why am I losing page and column breaks?

Natalie Bircher wrote:
> Does anyone know why I would lose page and column breaks? 
> 


In the words of a favourite reference librarian of mine, when speaking
to patrons with ill-formed questions:

"Could you please be a little more vague?"

Natalie!!  You are a technical writer.  Please provide some context,
lots of details, your OS and FM version, etc. so your audience knows
what the heck you are talking about.

thanks,

--
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

"On the contrary."
-- Henrik Ibsen (last words, after a nurse said he "seemed a little 
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Why am I losing page and column breaks?

[Stuart Rogers]

Natalie Bircher wrote:
> Does anyone know why I would lose page and column breaks? 
> 


In the words of a favourite reference librarian of mine, when speaking 
to patrons with ill-formed questions:

"Could you please be a little more vague?"

Natalie!!  You are a technical writer.  Please provide some context, 
lots of details, your OS and FM version, etc. so your audience knows 
what the heck you are talking about.

thanks,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

"On the contrary."
-- Henrik Ibsen (last words, after a nurse said he "seemed a little 
better.")

Re: Why am I losing page and column breaks?

[Stuart Rogers]

Natalie Bircher wrote:

Stuart!!
Where do you get off busting my chops? 


You apparently need more help than the others that have answered my question
with the information I gave. I didn't need to give them my OS or FM version
to answer this question. 


Your tone is arrogant and self-serving.

You would do better to keep to yourself.

Natalie



My apologies, Natalie; I did not mean to offend.  Obviously I should 
have sprinkled the posting liberally with winking emoticons, as the 
intended friendly jibe apparently didn't make it through cyberspace.


I admit it is a pet peeve of mine that so often people who are 
supposedly "professional communicators" post (on this and other lists) 
questions that border on the insulting, they are so haphazardly and 
carelessly formed.  Surely our peers deserve a little more effort on the 
part of the questioners, out of simple respect (and self-respect).


If you didn't know what was causing your problem, how did you know that 
no-one would need your OS and version information to solve it?  Have you 
never encountered version- or platform-specific bugs?  It is 
long-established netiquette to include such basic information as a 
matter of course, though you are not by any means alone in omitting it.


I am happy that the psychics on this list were able to identify the 
cause of your problem so quickly.  Please do share the solution.  I 
promise to keep to myself in regard to any future postings from you.


(And thank you, Peter, Rick, Kelly, Richard, and Art, for your 
supportive remarks.)



--
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

"On the contrary."
-- Henrik Ibsen (last words, after a nurse said he "seemed a little 
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Why am I losing page and column breaks?

[Kelly McDaniel]

Wow, I sure missed Stuart's subtext.
Disclaimer: I do not know Stuart.

With over 36 years in computers and data wrangling, yep, pardner, over
36...since back in the steam-powered days of the big iron...
There was not enough information in the original question for me to
provide you with a response that was any better than a few targeted
guesses. I have come to the conclusion that the self-ascribed condition
is common amongst those with a bit of grey at the temples, or at least
enough trail dust in the nostrils, to have seen much of life.

My Dad used to irritate the living daylights out of me with his
protracted replies to questions I asked when I just wanted a quick nudge
over a hump in the fork of the road. Later in life, I understood what he
meant when he said, "I told you that to tell you this...so you'll
understand what I'm about to tell you."...then he'd go on. Time dragged.
I remember distinctly, the day in our garage when I was 12 years old and
asked Dad how it felt, what it was like to be "old" like he was? My
wisened, 33 year old Dad looked back and said, "I asked my Dad the same
question, and I have the same answer for you that he gave me: I still
feel like a kid inside. I'm just more careful when I play."

Let's all lean back in the saddle, let the reins go slack a minute, give
the pony a little break, and just take a deep breath...happy trails
y'all, Kelly.







-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces+kmcdaniel=pavtech@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces+kmcdaniel=pavtech.com at lists.frameusers.com] On
Behalf Of Natalie Bircher
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:14 AM
To: 'Stuart Rogers'
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Why am I losing page and column breaks?

Stuart!!
Where do you get off busting my chops? 

You apparently need more help than the others that have answered my
question
with the information I gave. I didn't need to give them my OS or FM
version
to answer this question. 

Your tone is arrogant and self-serving.

You would do better to keep to yourself.

Natalie

-Original Message-
From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:53 AM
To: natalieb at backstreetmedia.com
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Why am I losing page and column breaks?

Natalie Bircher wrote:
> Does anyone know why I would lose page and column breaks? 
> 


In the words of a favourite reference librarian of mine, when speaking 
to patrons with ill-formed questions:

"Could you please be a little more vague?"

Natalie!!  You are a technical writer.  Please provide some context, 
lots of details, your OS and FM version, etc. so your audience knows 
what the heck you are talking about.

thanks,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

"On the contrary."
-- Henrik Ibsen (last words, after a nurse said he "seemed a little 
better.")

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Re: Why am I losing page and column breaks?

[Stuart Rogers]

Natalie Bircher wrote:

First, I apologize for my knee-jerk response...to Stuart and all of you.


Oh all right then, since we've both apologized, I won't keep to myself 
after all.  (We're in the middle of an election campaign in Ontario, so 
making promises that won't be kept is the sport-du-jour anyway ;-)


I accept your apology.



I really, truly had no idea what type of information you would need to
answer such a question. A polite request for that information would have
been appropriate, and appreciated.


Well, for hints on how to pose future questions, I suggest you just have 
a look through the archives, or simply read the posts from others that 
will appear in the interim.  The ones that got or will get the fastest, 
most accurate responses are good examples of well-described situations 
and clearly stated problems.


People tell us what their layout is (side-heads or no, multiple master 
pages or no, etc.), what the problem page consists of ("a big table that 
continues overleaf"), what happened immediately before the problem 
occurred (updated the book, imported a text inset, re-opened a file 
saved on a server, etc.), and any other details that make the situation 
unusual (or not).  And of course, as I mentioned before, your OS and FM 
version are important because in many cases the answer is dead simple: 
such-and-such a version of FM for Windoze has a known bug, and here's 
the work-around.


For your own situation, you might have told us about your page layout 
(number of columns, feathered/balanced, proximity to straddling 
paragraphs), whether the problem occurred on every page/column or just 
in certain circumstances, the characteristics of the tags on affected 
paragraphs, how the breaks were applied in the first place, what you did 
that seemed to cause them to fail, and so on.  Think about how you quiz 
your SMEs when you're researching for your documentation, and you will 
have put yourself in the shoes of framers who need information from you 
in order to help.  Too much information is better than too little, and 
much better than none.


Best regards,

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Bad Autonumbers

[Fred Ridder]

Ahh, based on this description, I think you need to look for some rogue 
paragraph that is formatted with the same numbering series label (P) that you 
are using in your document, but with some other definition. But because finding 
such a rogue paragraph can be a real PITA, the easiest solution may be to 
change the label in the tag(s) you are actually using so that there will no 
longer be any interference. 

Fred Ridder


Subject: RE: Bad AutonumbersDate: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 10:26:39 -0400From: 
randall.reed at forceprotection.netTo: docudoc at hotmail.com; richard.combs at 
polycom.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com



Good point Fred. My craziness is due to the fact that some are working 
continuously, then another file comes up and BANG, I'm back to 001 again.  Not 
good...

Thanks!

R.


From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docudoc at hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 04, 
2007 10:23 AMTo: Combs, Richard; Randall C. Reed; 
framers@lists.frameusers.comSubject: RE: Bad Autonumbers
richard.combs at Polycom.com wrote:> But the autonumber isn't a page number, 
it's a paragraph number. You> need to set paragraph numbering to continue. 
Note, however, that this> affects all paragraph autonumber series; you can't 
have, for instance,> figure numbers restart while your package numbers 
continue.   Just to amplify a bit: If you set a file's paragraph numbering 
properties to "Restart", you cannot have a mixture of continuing and resetting 
counter values. The "Restart" setting affects *all* paragraph numbering series 
and there is no way for any of them to continue from the preceding file's 
value.  But if you set the properties to "Continue", it *is* possible to reset 
a specific paragraph numbering series by formatting a paragraph with an 
autonumber formula that explicitly sets the appropriate counter elements in the 
series definition to the desired values. Fred Ridder  

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Why am I losing page and column breaks?

[Peter Gold]

On 10/4/07, Rick Quatro  wrote:
> In fairness to Stuart (his "tone" notwithstanding), I didn't attempt to
> answer the original question because it wasn't clear to me either.

Same here.

The context you provide helps those list volunteers who may be able to help you.

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Bad Autonumbers

[Randall C. Reed]

Good point Fred. My craziness is due to the fact that some are working
continuously, then another file comes up and BANG, I'm back to 001
again.  Not good...

Thanks!

R.



From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:23 AM
To: Combs, Richard; Randall C. Reed; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Bad Autonumbers




richard.combs at Polycom.com wrote:

> But the autonumber isn't a page number, it's a paragraph number. You
> need to set paragraph numbering to continue. Note, however, that this
> affects all paragraph autonumber series; you can't have, for instance,
> figure numbers restart while your package numbers continue. 


Just to amplify a bit:

If you set a file's paragraph numbering properties to "Restart", you 
cannot have a mixture of continuing and resetting counter values. 
The "Restart" setting affects *all* paragraph numbering series and 
there is no way for any of them to continue from the preceding 
file's value. 

But if you set the properties to "Continue", it *is* possible to reset 
a specific paragraph numbering series by formatting a paragraph 
with an autonumber formula that explicitly sets the appropriate 
counter elements in the series definition to the desired values.

Fred Ridder 





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Correction: Bad Autonumbers

[Randall C. Reed]

 Ouch! Can you tell I am exhausted??? Replace "page" with "paragraph",
please. Does that make any more sense, or am I totally burned out beyond
all belief? 

R.

PS: Excellent point: I should have realized that ALL flavors of
autonumbers will be treated the same. That doesn't solve my package
number problem. But it is good to know. Thanks!

---
Randall C. Reed wrote:

> I cannot get a "work package number" autonumber to work properly in 
> the files at the beginning of the book.
> "P:000" just returns "0001".
> I've gone into the document menu on both the book and individual files

> and set the "Page" numbering feature to "Continue."

But the autonumber isn't a page number, it's a paragraph number. You
need to set paragraph numbering to continue. Note, however, that this
affects all paragraph autonumber series; you can't have, for instance,
figure numbers restart while your package numbers continue. 

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Bad Autonumbers

[Fred Ridder]

richard.combs at Polycom.com wrote:
> But the autonumber isn't a page number, it's a paragraph number. You
> need to set paragraph numbering to continue. Note, however, that this
> affects all paragraph autonumber series; you can't have, for instance,
> figure numbers restart while your package numbers continue. 


Just to amplify a bit:

If you set a file's paragraph numbering properties to "Restart", you 
cannot have a mixture of continuing and resetting counter values. 
The "Restart" setting affects *all* paragraph numbering series and 
there is no way for any of them to continue from the preceding 
file's value. 

But if you set the properties to "Continue", it *is* possible to reset 
a specific paragraph numbering series by formatting a paragraph 
with an autonumber formula that explicitly sets the appropriate 
counter elements in the series definition to the desired values.

Fred Ridder 

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Structured questions

[Marcus Carr]

Joel wrote:

> Preface: I am trying to learn Structured Frame, XML and DITA - it's 
> all new to me.

Then trying to learn them concurrently with probably result in a poor 
outcome. You should consider learning XML first, then how FrameMaker is 
able to deal with XML data, then learn how DITA can be one type of XML 
that FrameMaker can deal with. The third one might be some way down the 
track though, if at all. Also, if you're only using DITA because it 
means that you don't have to fiddle with the setup too much, then I 
doubt if you need XML at all.

Why don't you tell us what you're trying to achieve instead of how 
you're trying to do it?


Marcus Carr

Why am I losing page and column breaks?

[Natalie Bircher]

Stuart!!
Where do you get off busting my chops? 

You apparently need more help than the others that have answered my question
with the information I gave. I didn't need to give them my OS or FM version
to answer this question. 

Your tone is arrogant and self-serving.

You would do better to keep to yourself.

Natalie

-Original Message-
From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:srog...@phoenix-geophysics.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:53 AM
To: natalieb at backstreetmedia.com
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Why am I losing page and column breaks?

Natalie Bircher wrote:
> Does anyone know why I would lose page and column breaks? 
> 


In the words of a favourite reference librarian of mine, when speaking 
to patrons with ill-formed questions:

"Could you please be a little more vague?"

Natalie!!  You are a technical writer.  Please provide some context, 
lots of details, your OS and FM version, etc. so your audience knows 
what the heck you are talking about.

thanks,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

"On the contrary."
-- Henrik Ibsen (last words, after a nurse said he "seemed a little 
better.")

Why am I losing page and column breaks?

[Combs, Richard]

Natalie Bircher wrote:

> Stuart!!
> Where do you get off busting my chops? 
> 
> You apparently need more help than the others that have 
> answered my question with the information I gave. I didn't 
> need to give them my OS or FM version to answer this question. 
> 
> Your tone is arrogant and self-serving.
> 
> You would do better to keep to yourself.

My answer to your question was based on pure guesswork and included a
parenthetical note that more info would help. Berny called his response
"a shot in the dark." 

I think Stuart's recommendation that you explain yourself more clearly
was dead on, and it was politely phrased, not arrogant. (I don't
understand at all what you mean by "self-serving" -- even if you thought
he was rude, how is it self-serving?)

I suspect that your angry outburst has had this result: in the future
when you ask a question, many of us will remember your admonition, "You
would do better to keep to yourself" -- and will do so. 

Richard


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Bad Autonumbers

[Fred Ridder]

randall.reed at forceprotection.net describes the following issue:
> 
> Unstructured Frame 7.2 on XP V2002 SP2: I've got 400 files in the book.
> I cannot get a "work package number" autonumber to work properly in the
> files at the beginning of the book. "P:000" just returns "0001".
> I've gone into the document menu on both the book and individual files
> and set the "Page" numbering feature to "Continue." Updated book
> numerous times. Re-imported formats. When I add a hard number to the
> autonumber in an individual file, it immediately responds with the
> correct value on the page, so apparently the tag and function are
> working properly.
> 
> - What will fix these random "bad" autonumbers?
> > - If I "hardwire" the bad autonumber (change it from "P:000" to
> "P:0008", for example) with the following  numbers pick up normally
> ("P:0009", etc., in this example)?
> > This is crazy. It is just an autonumber. I've been using FM for 13 years
> and I know it is not suppose to be this hard to troubleshoot an
> autonumber problem. Except for digesting 400 files in the book, it
> should work like a champ, but it is not. What stupid thing am I doing
>wrong?
I'm a little confused about what it is you are trying to do. You are talking
about a paragraph autonumber format, yet you are trying to control it
using the numbering properties setting for the Page numbering, which
is totally independent. The Page numbering properties settings only
affect the page number elements on the Master Pages, while paragraph
numbering formats only operate on Body Pages. Are you trying to use
paragraph numbering in a header or footer frame on a Master Page? If
so, that's your problem, because the header and footer frames are not
part of any Body Page flow.

If you need to specify a particular starting value for a paragraph 
numbering series, you either do it from the Paragraph tab of the 
Numbering Properties window, or else by using a hard-coded 
autonumber definitions using the form "P:000<=8>" to implement 
the example you mention. The next paragraph that uses the "P"
numbering series with the formula "P:000" will then increment
the number to 0009, and the next one after that will increment it 
to 00010 (which may not be what you relly want, I'm guessing...).

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Why am I losing page and column breaks?

[Natalie Bircher]

Does anyone know why I would lose page and column breaks? 



Natalie Bircher

Technical Writer

BackStreet Media

Phone: 320-843-4337 

Fax: 320-842-4236

Email:   natalieb at backstreetmedia.com

Bad Autonumbers

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

I am not quite sure I understand what you are trying to do. It seems
to me you are mixing methods. On one hand you are using an
autonumbering of a paragraph and on the other hand you want to control
it with a system variable for page numbering. That, to my knowledge,
cannot be done. This is one of the things we are missing in FM: the
ability to assign leading zeros to the numbering. If you add leading
zeros like text in the autonumbering or before a page number the
number of zeros will always be the same.

One workaround would be to assign different set of master pages to
each given number of leading zeros (as I think I recall there was a
discussion about earlier this year). Whether you would have to
manually assign these master pages or you could make a [fake?]
paragraph or element that you put on the page starting the next level
(from 0009 to 0010 -- using the ref page master page assignment
system), would depend on your set of files.

There might be a possible solution doing this automatically with FrameScript.

Bodvar

On 10/3/07, Randall C. Reed  wrote:
> Listers:
>
> Unstructured Frame 7.2 on XP V2002 SP2: I've got 400 files in the book.
> I cannot get a "work package number" autonumber to work properly in the
> files at the beginning of the book. "P:000" just returns "0001".
> I've gone into the document menu on both the book and individual files
> and set the "Page" numbering feature to "Continue."  Updated book
> numerous times. Re-imported formats. When I add a hard number to the
> autonumber in an individual file, it immediately responds with the
> correct value on the page, so apparently the tag and function are
> working properly.
>
> - What will fix these random "bad" autonumbers?
>
> - If I "hardwire" the bad autonumber (change it from "P:000" to
> "P:0008", for example) with the following  numbers pick up normally
> ("P:0009", etc., in this example)?
>
> This is crazy. It is just an autonumber. I've been using FM for 13 years
> and I know it is not suppose to be this hard to troubleshoot an
> autonumber problem. Except for digesting 400 files in the book, it
> should work like a champ, but it is not. What stupid thing am I doing
> wrong?
>
> TIA,
>
> Randall C. Reed
> Senior Technical Writer
> Force Protection Industries, Inc.
>
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RE: Why am I losing page and column breaks?

[Natalie Bircher]

First, I apologize for my knee-jerk response...to Stuart and all of you.

I really, truly had no idea what type of information you would need to
answer such a question. A polite request for that information would have
been appropriate, and appreciated.



-Original Message-
From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:13 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Why am I losing page and column breaks?

Natalie Bircher wrote:
> Stuart!!
> Where do you get off busting my chops? 
> 
> You apparently need more help than the others that have answered my
question
> with the information I gave. I didn't need to give them my OS or FM
version
> to answer this question. 
> 
> Your tone is arrogant and self-serving.
> 
> You would do better to keep to yourself.
> 
> Natalie
> 

My apologies, Natalie; I did not mean to offend.  Obviously I should 
have sprinkled the posting liberally with winking emoticons, as the 
intended friendly jibe apparently didn't make it through cyberspace.

I admit it is a pet peeve of mine that so often people who are 
supposedly "professional communicators" post (on this and other lists) 
questions that border on the insulting, they are so haphazardly and 
carelessly formed.  Surely our peers deserve a little more effort on the 
part of the questioners, out of simple respect (and self-respect).

If you didn't know what was causing your problem, how did you know that 
no-one would need your OS and version information to solve it?  Have you 
never encountered version- or platform-specific bugs?  It is 
long-established netiquette to include such basic information as a 
matter of course, though you are not by any means alone in omitting it.

I am happy that the psychics on this list were able to identify the 
cause of your problem so quickly.  Please do share the solution.  I 
promise to keep to myself in regard to any future postings from you.

(And thank you, Peter, Rick, Kelly, Richard, and Art, for your 
supportive remarks.)


-- 
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Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
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Why am I losing page and column breaks?

[Combs, Richard]

Natalie Bircher wrote:

> Does anyone know why I would lose page and column breaks? 

Kinda depends on how they were created (it never hurts to describe the
situation in a bit more detail, including software version, etc.). 

IIRC, there's a Page Break menu item (I don't have it because I've
disabled all ad hoc formatting controls) that creates breaks by applying
overrides to pgf formats. If you subsequently import formats to the
document (from another doc or itself), you can optionally (and perhaps
unintentionally) remove those overrides. 

Or, if the breaks came from pgf format definitions (Start or Keep With
settings, etc.), maybe importing formats or making changes in Paragraph
Designer and choosing Update All removed the relevant settings. 

In my template, the pgf definitions (Start, Keep With, and Widow/Orphan
settings) take care of 98% of page breaks without any manual
intervention. For the occasional awkward exception, I use a small
PageBreak pgf set to 600 pt. Space Below. I find that easier to manage,
search for, etc., than pgf overrides. And it suits my compulsive need to
avoid overrides. :-) 

HTH!
Richard


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RE: Why am I losing page and column breaks?

[Combs, Richard]

Natalie Bircher wrote:
 
> Stuart!!
> Where do you get off busting my chops? 
> 
> You apparently need more help than the others that have 
> answered my question with the information I gave. I didn't 
> need to give them my OS or FM version to answer this question. 
> 
> Your tone is arrogant and self-serving.
> 
> You would do better to keep to yourself.

My answer to your question was based on pure guesswork and included a
parenthetical note that more info would help. Berny called his response
"a shot in the dark." 

I think Stuart's recommendation that you explain yourself more clearly
was dead on, and it was politely phrased, not arrogant. (I don't
understand at all what you mean by "self-serving" -- even if you thought
he was rude, how is it self-serving?)

I suspect that your angry outburst has had this result: in the future
when you ask a question, many of us will remember your admonition, "You
would do better to keep to yourself" -- and will do so. 

Richard


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Re: Why am I losing page and column breaks?

[Art Campbell]

Ditto. Stuart's comment was fair; you can't help much if you don't
know the context.
I was sorely tempted to hit Reply to the OP and just say "yes."

Art

On 10/4/07, Rick Quatro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In fairness to Stuart (his "tone" notwithstanding), I didn't attempt to
> answer the original question because it wasn't clear to me either. Also, if
> you did receive satisfactory answers from others, please share them with the
> list. Thanks.
>
> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing
> 585-659-8267
> www.frameexpert.com
>
>
> > Stuart!!
> > Where do you get off busting my chops?
> >
> > You apparently need more help than the others that have answered my
> > question
> > with the information I gave. I didn't need to give them my OS or FM
> > version
> > to answer this question.
> >
> > Your tone is arrogant and self-serving.
> >
> > You would do better to keep to yourself.
> >
> > Natalie
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:53 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: Re: Why am I losing page and column breaks?
> >
> > Natalie Bircher wrote:
> >> Does anyone know why I would lose page and column breaks?
> >>
> >
> >
> > In the words of a favourite reference librarian of mine, when speaking
> > to patrons with ill-formed questions:
> >
> > "Could you please be a little more vague?"
> >
> > Natalie!!  You are a technical writer.  Please provide some context,
> > lots of details, your OS and FM version, etc. so your audience knows
> > what the heck you are talking about.
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > --
> > Stuart Rogers
> > Technical Communicator
> > Phoenix Geophysics Limited
> > Toronto, ON, Canada
> > +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325
> >

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Bad Autonumbers

[Combs, Richard]

Fred Ridder wrote: 

> But if you set the properties to "Continue", it *is* possible 
> to reset a specific paragraph numbering series by formatting 
> a paragraph with an autonumber formula that explicitly sets 
> the appropriate counter elements in the series definition to 
> the desired values.

Of course -- good point. It's been so long since I used old-style
(pre-FM6) numbering series with FigureFirst tags, etc., that I didn't
think of that. So, Randall has one more thing to check besides the
file-level and book-level numbering settings: every friggin' pgf tag's
autonumber setting, looking for one that resets this counter. 

Have fun with that, R. :-}

Richard


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RE: Why am I losing page and column breaks?

[Kelly McDaniel]

Wow, I sure missed Stuart's subtext.
Disclaimer: I do not know Stuart.

With over 36 years in computers and data wrangling, yep, pardner, over
36...since back in the steam-powered days of the big iron...
There was not enough information in the original question for me to
provide you with a response that was any better than a few targeted
guesses. I have come to the conclusion that the self-ascribed condition
is common amongst those with a bit of grey at the temples, or at least
enough trail dust in the nostrils, to have seen much of life.

My Dad used to irritate the living daylights out of me with his
protracted replies to questions I asked when I just wanted a quick nudge
over a hump in the fork of the road. Later in life, I understood what he
meant when he said, "I told you that to tell you this...so you'll
understand what I'm about to tell you."...then he'd go on. Time dragged.
I remember distinctly, the day in our garage when I was 12 years old and
asked Dad how it felt, what it was like to be "old" like he was? My
wisened, 33 year old Dad looked back and said, "I asked my Dad the same
question, and I have the same answer for you that he gave me: I still
feel like a kid inside. I'm just more careful when I play."

Let's all lean back in the saddle, let the reins go slack a minute, give
the pony a little break, and just take a deep breath...happy trails
y'all, Kelly.





 

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Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Why am I losing page and column breaks?

Stuart!!
Where do you get off busting my chops? 

You apparently need more help than the others that have answered my
question
with the information I gave. I didn't need to give them my OS or FM
version
to answer this question. 

Your tone is arrogant and self-serving.

You would do better to keep to yourself.

Natalie

-Original Message-
From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:53 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Why am I losing page and column breaks?

Natalie Bircher wrote:
> Does anyone know why I would lose page and column breaks? 
> 


In the words of a favourite reference librarian of mine, when speaking 
to patrons with ill-formed questions:

"Could you please be a little more vague?"

Natalie!!  You are a technical writer.  Please provide some context, 
lots of details, your OS and FM version, etc. so your audience knows 
what the heck you are talking about.

thanks,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

"On the contrary."
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Re: Why am I losing page and column breaks?

[Peter Gold]

On 10/4/07, Rick Quatro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In fairness to Stuart (his "tone" notwithstanding), I didn't attempt to
> answer the original question because it wasn't clear to me either.

Same here.

The context you provide helps those list volunteers who may be able to help you.

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Re: Why am I losing page and column breaks?

[Rick Quatro]

In fairness to Stuart (his "tone" notwithstanding), I didn't attempt to 
answer the original question because it wasn't clear to me either. Also, if 
you did receive satisfactory answers from others, please share them with the 
list. Thanks.


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Stuart!!
Where do you get off busting my chops?

You apparently need more help than the others that have answered my 
question
with the information I gave. I didn't need to give them my OS or FM 
version

to answer this question.

Your tone is arrogant and self-serving.

You would do better to keep to yourself.

Natalie

-Original Message-
From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:53 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Why am I losing page and column breaks?

Natalie Bircher wrote:

Does anyone know why I would lose page and column breaks?




In the words of a favourite reference librarian of mine, when speaking
to patrons with ill-formed questions:

"Could you please be a little more vague?"

Natalie!!  You are a technical writer.  Please provide some context,
lots of details, your OS and FM version, etc. so your audience knows
what the heck you are talking about.

thanks,

--
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

"On the contrary."
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RE: Why am I losing page and column breaks?

[Natalie Bircher]

Stuart!!
Where do you get off busting my chops? 

You apparently need more help than the others that have answered my question
with the information I gave. I didn't need to give them my OS or FM version
to answer this question. 

Your tone is arrogant and self-serving.

You would do better to keep to yourself.

Natalie

-Original Message-
From: Stuart Rogers [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:53 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Why am I losing page and column breaks?

Natalie Bircher wrote:
> Does anyone know why I would lose page and column breaks? 
> 


In the words of a favourite reference librarian of mine, when speaking 
to patrons with ill-formed questions:

"Could you please be a little more vague?"

Natalie!!  You are a technical writer.  Please provide some context, 
lots of details, your OS and FM version, etc. so your audience knows 
what the heck you are talking about.

thanks,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

"On the contrary."
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"Times Font" - fixed in FM 8.0?

[Combs, Richard]

Brad Simmons wrote:

> Has Adobe finally gotten around to fixing that blasted "Times Font"
> problem? You know, the one where FrameMaker looks in vain for 
> the "Times font", and it will tell you that you don't have it 
> - even when it's on your PC? 

There's never been a "Times Font" bug that I'm aware of, and I can't
find any reference to one at Microtype's list of bugs and issues
(http://www.microtype.com/FM_bugs.html). 

Are you referring to the fact that FM's templates use a font named
Times, while your Windows PC ships with Microsoft's TrueType
semi-equivalent, Times New Roman? They aren't the same font. It would be
nice if FM had more user-friendly ways to resolve such issues than
editing the Fonts section of maker.ini, but the existing behavior
certainly isn't a bug. 

It's not really a problem either, if you know how to deal with it. The
mapping from Times to Times New Roman is already present in your default
maker.ini. So, if you turn off Remember Missing Font Names (in File >
Preferences), you'll only get the missing font warning one more time for
each doc using Times. FM will permanently replace it with Times New
Roman when you save. 

If you need to open FM files from others who use fonts you don't have,
you'll want to turn Remember Missing Font Names back on so that you
don't mess up their files.

HTH!
Richard


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RE: Why am I losing page and column breaks?

[Combs, Richard]

Natalie Bircher wrote:
 
> Does anyone know why I would lose page and column breaks? 

Kinda depends on how they were created (it never hurts to describe the
situation in a bit more detail, including software version, etc.). 

IIRC, there's a Page Break menu item (I don't have it because I've
disabled all ad hoc formatting controls) that creates breaks by applying
overrides to pgf formats. If you subsequently import formats to the
document (from another doc or itself), you can optionally (and perhaps
unintentionally) remove those overrides. 

Or, if the breaks came from pgf format definitions (Start or Keep With
settings, etc.), maybe importing formats or making changes in Paragraph
Designer and choosing Update All removed the relevant settings. 

In my template, the pgf definitions (Start, Keep With, and Widow/Orphan
settings) take care of 98% of page breaks without any manual
intervention. For the occasional awkward exception, I use a small
PageBreak pgf set to 600 pt. Space Below. I find that easier to manage,
search for, etc., than pgf overrides. And it suits my compulsive need to
avoid overrides. :-) 

HTH!
Richard


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RE: Why am I losing page and column breaks?

[Gagne, Bernard (Bolton)]

Just a shot in the dark here, but were your page and column breaks
applied via manual overrides (using Special>Page Break), and did you
recently re-import your document formats? If so, you blew them away by
re-importing the template.
Manual overrides are rarely the way to go if you want any kind of
formatting consistency. You need to create paragraph tags with the
column break and page break built-in.

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Of Stuart Rogers
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Subject: Re: Why am I losing page and column breaks?

Natalie Bircher wrote:
> Does anyone know why I would lose page and column breaks? 
> 


In the words of a favourite reference librarian of mine, when speaking
to patrons with ill-formed questions:

"Could you please be a little more vague?"

Natalie!!  You are a technical writer.  Please provide some context,
lots of details, your OS and FM version, etc. so your audience knows
what the heck you are talking about.

thanks,

--
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

"On the contrary."
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Bad Autonumbers

[Combs, Richard]

Randall C. Reed wrote:

> I cannot get a "work package number" autonumber to work 
> properly in the files at the beginning of the book. 
> "P:000" just returns "0001".
> I've gone into the document menu on both the book and 
> individual files and set the "Page" numbering feature to 
> "Continue."  

But the autonumber isn't a page number, it's a paragraph number. You
need to set paragraph numbering to continue. Note, however, that this
affects all paragraph autonumber series; you can't have, for instance,
figure numbers restart while your package numbers continue. 

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Re: Why am I losing page and column breaks?

[Stuart Rogers]

Natalie Bircher wrote:
Does anyone know why I would lose page and column breaks? 




In the words of a favourite reference librarian of mine, when speaking 
to patrons with ill-formed questions:


"Could you please be a little more vague?"

Natalie!!  You are a technical writer.  Please provide some context, 
lots of details, your OS and FM version, etc. so your audience knows 
what the heck you are talking about.


thanks,

--
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Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
Toronto, ON, Canada
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

srogers phoenix-geophysics com

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Structured Frame Primer

[Combs, Richard]

Neeraj Jain wrote:

> Hi Steve,
> 
> I want to learn structured FM. Can you please provide a 
> specific link within http://www.scriptorium.com from where I 
> can study the same? I browsed scriptorium but found paid 
> resources only. Please help me in learning.  

Steve said, "I used the Scriptorium Press material. Worked for me." I
imagine that would be the materials described on "Books and self-study
materials by Scriptorium Press"
(http://www.scriptorium.com/books/index.html). I imagine he bought them.


Some of us still have this quaint notion that it's worth paying for
things of value to us. :-)

Richard


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RE: Bad Autonumbers

[Combs, Richard]

Fred Ridder wrote: 
  
> But if you set the properties to "Continue", it *is* possible 
> to reset a specific paragraph numbering series by formatting 
> a paragraph with an autonumber formula that explicitly sets 
> the appropriate counter elements in the series definition to 
> the desired values.

Of course -- good point. It's been so long since I used old-style
(pre-FM6) numbering series with FigureFirst tags, etc., that I didn't
think of that. So, Randall has one more thing to check besides the
file-level and book-level numbering settings: every friggin' pgf tag's
autonumber setting, looking for one that resets this counter. 

Have fun with that, R. :-}

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Why am I losing page and column breaks?

[Natalie Bircher]

Does anyone know why I would lose page and column breaks? 

 

Natalie Bircher

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RE: Bad Autonumbers

[Fred Ridder]

Ahh, based on this description, I think you need to look for some rogue 
paragraph that is formatted with the same numbering series label (P) that you 
are using in your document, but with some other definition. But because finding 
such a rogue paragraph can be a real PITA, the easiest solution may be to 
change the label in the tag(s) you are actually using so that there will no 
longer be any interference. 
 
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Good point Fred. My craziness is due to the fact that some are working 
continuously, then another file comes up and BANG, I'm back to 001 again.  Not 
good...
 
Thanks!
 
R.


From: Fred Ridder [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 
10:23 AMTo: Combs, Richard; Randall C. Reed; [EMAIL PROTECTED]: RE: Bad 
Autonumbers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:> But the autonumber isn't a page number, it's a 
paragraph number. You> need to set paragraph numbering to continue. Note, 
however, that this> affects all paragraph autonumber series; you can't have, 
for instance,> figure numbers restart while your package numbers continue.   
Just to amplify a bit: If you set a file's paragraph numbering properties to 
"Restart", you cannot have a mixture of continuing and resetting counter 
values. The "Restart" setting affects *all* paragraph numbering series and 
there is no way for any of them to continue from the preceding file's value.  
But if you set the properties to "Continue", it *is* possible to reset a 
specific paragraph numbering series by formatting a paragraph with an 
autonumber formula that explicitly sets the appropriate counter elements in the 
series definition to the desired values. Fred Ridder  

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RE: Bad Autonumbers

[Randall C. Reed]

Good point Fred. My craziness is due to the fact that some are working
continuously, then another file comes up and BANG, I'm back to 001
again.  Not good...
 
Thanks!
 
R.



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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> But the autonumber isn't a page number, it's a paragraph number. You
> need to set paragraph numbering to continue. Note, however, that this
> affects all paragraph autonumber series; you can't have, for instance,
> figure numbers restart while your package numbers continue. 
 
 
Just to amplify a bit:
 
If you set a file's paragraph numbering properties to "Restart", you 
cannot have a mixture of continuing and resetting counter values. 
The "Restart" setting affects *all* paragraph numbering series and 
there is no way for any of them to continue from the preceding 
file's value. 
 
But if you set the properties to "Continue", it *is* possible to reset 
a specific paragraph numbering series by formatting a paragraph 
with an autonumber formula that explicitly sets the appropriate 
counter elements in the series definition to the desired values.
 
Fred Ridder 
 




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Correction: Bad Autonumbers

[Randall C. Reed]

 Ouch! Can you tell I am exhausted??? Replace "page" with "paragraph",
please. Does that make any more sense, or am I totally burned out beyond
all belief? 

R.

PS: Excellent point: I should have realized that ALL flavors of
autonumbers will be treated the same. That doesn't solve my package
number problem. But it is good to know. Thanks!

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Randall C. Reed wrote:

> I cannot get a "work package number" autonumber to work properly in 
> the files at the beginning of the book.
> "P:000" just returns "0001".
> I've gone into the document menu on both the book and individual files

> and set the "Page" numbering feature to "Continue."

But the autonumber isn't a page number, it's a paragraph number. You
need to set paragraph numbering to continue. Note, however, that this
affects all paragraph autonumber series; you can't have, for instance,
figure numbers restart while your package numbers continue. 

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RE: Bad Autonumbers

[Fred Ridder]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> But the autonumber isn't a page number, it's a paragraph number. You
> need to set paragraph numbering to continue. Note, however, that this
> affects all paragraph autonumber series; you can't have, for instance,
> figure numbers restart while your package numbers continue. 
 
 
Just to amplify a bit:
 
If you set a file's paragraph numbering properties to "Restart", you 
cannot have a mixture of continuing and resetting counter values. 
The "Restart" setting affects *all* paragraph numbering series and 
there is no way for any of them to continue from the preceding 
file's value. 
 
But if you set the properties to "Continue", it *is* possible to reset 
a specific paragraph numbering series by formatting a paragraph 
with an autonumber formula that explicitly sets the appropriate 
counter elements in the series definition to the desired values.
 
Fred Ridder 
 
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RE: "Times Font" - fixed in FM 8.0?

[Combs, Richard]

Brad Simmons wrote:
 
> Has Adobe finally gotten around to fixing that blasted "Times Font"
> problem? You know, the one where FrameMaker looks in vain for 
> the "Times font", and it will tell you that you don't have it 
> - even when it's on your PC? 

There's never been a "Times Font" bug that I'm aware of, and I can't
find any reference to one at Microtype's list of bugs and issues
(http://www.microtype.com/FM_bugs.html). 

Are you referring to the fact that FM's templates use a font named
Times, while your Windows PC ships with Microsoft's TrueType
semi-equivalent, Times New Roman? They aren't the same font. It would be
nice if FM had more user-friendly ways to resolve such issues than
editing the Fonts section of maker.ini, but the existing behavior
certainly isn't a bug. 

It's not really a problem either, if you know how to deal with it. The
mapping from Times to Times New Roman is already present in your default
maker.ini. So, if you turn off Remember Missing Font Names (in File >
Preferences), you'll only get the missing font warning one more time for
each doc using Times. FM will permanently replace it with Times New
Roman when you save. 

If you need to open FM files from others who use fonts you don't have,
you'll want to turn Remember Missing Font Names back on so that you
don't mess up their files.

HTH!
Richard


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RE: Bad Autonumbers

[Combs, Richard]

Randall C. Reed wrote:

> I cannot get a "work package number" autonumber to work 
> properly in the files at the beginning of the book. 
> "P:000" just returns "0001".
> I've gone into the document menu on both the book and 
> individual files and set the "Page" numbering feature to 
> "Continue."  

But the autonumber isn't a page number, it's a paragraph number. You
need to set paragraph numbering to continue. Note, however, that this
affects all paragraph autonumber series; you can't have, for instance,
figure numbers restart while your package numbers continue. 

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RE: Bad Autonumbers

[Fred Ridder]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] describes the following issue:
> 
> Unstructured Frame 7.2 on XP V2002 SP2: I've got 400 files in the book.
> I cannot get a "work package number" autonumber to work properly in the
> files at the beginning of the book. "P:000" just returns "0001".
> I've gone into the document menu on both the book and individual files
> and set the "Page" numbering feature to "Continue." Updated book
> numerous times. Re-imported formats. When I add a hard number to the
> autonumber in an individual file, it immediately responds with the
> correct value on the page, so apparently the tag and function are
> working properly.
> 
> - What will fix these random "bad" autonumbers?
> > - If I "hardwire" the bad autonumber (change it from "P:000" to
> "P:0008", for example) with the following  numbers pick up normally
> ("P:0009", etc., in this example)?
> > This is crazy. It is just an autonumber. I've been using FM for 13 years
> and I know it is not suppose to be this hard to troubleshoot an
> autonumber problem. Except for digesting 400 files in the book, it
> should work like a champ, but it is not. What stupid thing am I doing
>wrong?
I'm a little confused about what it is you are trying to do. You are talking
about a paragraph autonumber format, yet you are trying to control it
using the numbering properties setting for the Page numbering, which
is totally independent. The Page numbering properties settings only
affect the page number elements on the Master Pages, while paragraph
numbering formats only operate on Body Pages. Are you trying to use
paragraph numbering in a header or footer frame on a Master Page? If
so, that's your problem, because the header and footer frames are not
part of any Body Page flow.
 
If you need to specify a particular starting value for a paragraph 
numbering series, you either do it from the Paragraph tab of the 
Numbering Properties window, or else by using a hard-coded 
autonumber definitions using the form "P:000<=8>" to implement 
the example you mention. The next paragraph that uses the "P"
numbering series with the formula "P:000" will then increment
the number to 0009, and the next one after that will increment it 
to 00010 (which may not be what you relly want, I'm guessing...).
 
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RE: Structured Frame Primer

[Combs, Richard]

Neeraj Jain wrote:
 
> Hi Steve,
> 
> I want to learn structured FM. Can you please provide a 
> specific link within http://www.scriptorium.com from where I 
> can study the same? I browsed scriptorium but found paid 
> resources only. Please help me in learning.  

Steve said, "I used the Scriptorium Press material. Worked for me." I
imagine that would be the materials described on "Books and self-study
materials by Scriptorium Press"
(http://www.scriptorium.com/books/index.html). I imagine he bought them.


Some of us still have this quaint notion that it's worth paying for
things of value to us. :-)

Richard


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Re: Bad Autonumbers

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

I am not quite sure I understand what you are trying to do. It seems
to me you are mixing methods. On one hand you are using an
autonumbering of a paragraph and on the other hand you want to control
it with a system variable for page numbering. That, to my knowledge,
cannot be done. This is one of the things we are missing in FM: the
ability to assign leading zeros to the numbering. If you add leading
zeros like text in the autonumbering or before a page number the
number of zeros will always be the same.

One workaround would be to assign different set of master pages to
each given number of leading zeros (as I think I recall there was a
discussion about earlier this year). Whether you would have to
manually assign these master pages or you could make a [fake?]
paragraph or element that you put on the page starting the next level
(from 0009 to 0010 -- using the ref page master page assignment
system), would depend on your set of files.

There might be a possible solution doing this automatically with FrameScript.

Bodvar

On 10/3/07, Randall C. Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Listers:
>
> Unstructured Frame 7.2 on XP V2002 SP2: I've got 400 files in the book.
> I cannot get a "work package number" autonumber to work properly in the
> files at the beginning of the book. "P:000" just returns "0001".
> I've gone into the document menu on both the book and individual files
> and set the "Page" numbering feature to "Continue."  Updated book
> numerous times. Re-imported formats. When I add a hard number to the
> autonumber in an individual file, it immediately responds with the
> correct value on the page, so apparently the tag and function are
> working properly.
>
> - What will fix these random "bad" autonumbers?
>
> - If I "hardwire" the bad autonumber (change it from "P:000" to
> "P:0008", for example) with the following  numbers pick up normally
> ("P:0009", etc., in this example)?
>
> This is crazy. It is just an autonumber. I've been using FM for 13 years
> and I know it is not suppose to be this hard to troubleshoot an
> autonumber problem. Except for digesting 400 files in the book, it
> should work like a champ, but it is not. What stupid thing am I doing
> wrong?
>
> TIA,
>
> Randall C. Reed
> Senior Technical Writer
> Force Protection Industries, Inc.
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