RE: best method to store template version
Hi, I use a variable to store the template version. However, others preferred a more striking method. They would append the version (and/or date) to the template file name, e.g. template_080423.fm Best regards Winfried > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Karene Millar > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 6:45 PM > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: best method to store template version > > Hi I'm new to this group, but not to FrameMaker :) > > I am responsible for maintaining the templates at my current company > and I was wondering if anyone had suggestions on the best place to > store the template version. Ideas are: in a variable or perhaps on a > reference page. > > To be clear - I have a version number and date associated with the > template so when you have a document you can look at it and identify > the template version/date to see if it is using the latest templates. > > Thanks! > > Karene ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: best method to store template version
I use two conditional text tags in my templates. "TBD" is for stuff the writers want to discuss with engineers, and "Writers_Note" is for stuff the writers only want to share with each other. I keep the template version number as a variable under the Writers_Note condition on the cover master page. If they update an existing work to a newer template, they need to update this variable manually. If they start a book from scratch, they have it by default. The only other thing I would suggest is keeping a very detailed revision history for your templates: this has enabled me to narrow down legacy books to the proper template in short order, even when the template version variable was missing or wrong. --William Karene Millar wrote: > Hi I'm new to this group, but not to FrameMaker :) > > I am responsible for maintaining the templates at my current company > and I was wondering if anyone had suggestions on the best place to > store the template version. Ideas are: in a variable or perhaps on a > reference page. > > To be clear - I have a version number and date associated with the > template so when you have a document you can look at it and identify > the template version/date to see if it is using the latest templates. > > Thanks! > > Karene ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
best method to store template version
I use two conditional text tags in my templates. "TBD" is for stuff the writers want to discuss with engineers, and "Writers_Note" is for stuff the writers only want to share with each other. I keep the template version number as a variable under the Writers_Note condition on the cover master page. If they update an existing work to a newer template, they need to update this variable manually. If they start a book from scratch, they have it by default. The only other thing I would suggest is keeping a very detailed revision history for your templates: this has enabled me to narrow down legacy books to the proper template in short order, even when the template version variable was missing or wrong. --William Karene Millar wrote: > Hi I'm new to this group, but not to FrameMaker :) > > I am responsible for maintaining the templates at my current company > and I was wondering if anyone had suggestions on the best place to > store the template version. Ideas are: in a variable or perhaps on a > reference page. > > To be clear - I have a version number and date associated with the > template so when you have a document you can look at it and identify > the template version/date to see if it is using the latest templates. > > Thanks! > > Karene
Fine tuning pagination
At 13:32 -0600 22/4/08, Linda G. Gallagher wrote: >Continuing with my ignorance showing, the book is the third edition, all >created with the same templates I designed a year or so ago. I just learned >about the 16-page signatures last week. Previous editions were printed with >a different process, and signatures were not an issue. > >I don't know yet whether I'm extending or reducing, as the content is >currently being reviewed and the index has not yet been created. The book >also has to be finished by May 9, so I don't have a lot of time and likely >don't have budget for additional software or personnel. I will inquire, >however. > >So, I likely have to make do with combination of your suggestions and what I >can manage to figure out. Not an ideal situation, I'll grant you. Linda: just balance the pages so that they look good, and pad out to 16s of you are more than 1 over, else try to drop that 1 to zero. It should get you by. -- Steve
RE: best method to store template version
Template information should be embedded in the template, not linked. Just stick your information in a text box at the bottom of the first reference page Karene. That way it's out of sight and out of mind until you need it. The first of the reference pages typically (and by default) only carries a few 'line' graphics so I leave this page for lines and template information only in all my documents and as a result, can see the template information in a standard format and location. My template information consists of name, number, date, author, copyright, default dictionary and intended use statements. This takes ten lines and I use 9pt text so there is plenty of room on the page. I use other pages for logo and non-line graphics. As for Peter's information, in 12 years of using FrameMaker, I never knew that you could do that because I have never identified a reason to look for such an option. Now that I know it is there, it might be a nice way of finding boilerplate information where different bits and pieces are actually used based on the template in use. Things like technical specifications, company addresses, reference manuals et al. would be nice links to have at times, particularly when you haven't touched a document for a while and want to locate the information sources. Thanks for the tip Peter. Cheers, Bruce -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Gold Sent: Wednesday, 23 April 2008 6:50 AM To: Fred Ridder Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: best method to store template version One of the little-known FrameMaker facts is that you can "hyperlink" from a cross-reference in a "template text frame" aka "master-page dummy frame" to an external document, with Ctrl+Alt+Click, just as on a document body page. Use this method to store more template documentation than fits into one frame; another benefit is that you can store all the template documentation and tutorials in one location. Regards, Peter ___ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Fred Ridder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Karene Millar asked: > > > > I am responsible for maintaining the templates at my current > company > and I was wondering if anyone had suggestions on the best > place to > store the template version. Ideas are: in a variable or > perhaps on a > reference page. > > > > To be clear - I have a version number and date associated with the > > template so when you have a document you can look at it and identify > > the template version/date to see if it is using the latest templates. > > My own preference is to document templates in the dummy body text > frame on the master pages. Anything that is contained in the body > frame on a master page does not appear on the body pages, ever; only > the "background" (e.g. header and footer) frames of the master pages > hold content that actually appears on the body pages. > > One advantage to putting the template meta-data on a master page is > that it's much easier to find it there (particurly if you put it on > one of the default master pages) than to have to find the right > reference pages. And unlike a variable, you have *lots* of room to > describe the template (e.g. what has been changed/added since the > last version) and even show examples as well as identifying the > template version by number and/or date. > > -Fred Ridder ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/moo-man%40optusnet.com.a u Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1387 - Release Date: 4/19/2008 11:31 AM ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: best method to store template version
If it's version number and date, you want it to be imported when you import the template. And handy for those wanting to check it. So I'd put it in a User Variable. The template author would have to remember to update the variable when s/he edited the template, but for everyone else the transfer of the information would be transparent and easily accessible. = Mike Bradley www.techpubs.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Fine tuning pagination
At 10:41 -0500 22/4/08, Peter Gold wrote: >I strongly suggest that you either engage a typesetting-savvy designer, and >dig into good typography and book design books, online forums, and similar >resources before committing to an overall solution. Good advice indeed. I had assumed that Linda was working from an existing design, and I expect Hedley had too. -- Steve
Fine tuning pagination
At 08:55 -0600 22/4/08, Linda G. Gallagher wrote: >OK, I'm going to show my ignorance, but maybe I'm not the only one. Dumb >questions follow. Not at all dumb... > > >Do you mean to make the main text frame on a body page larger? Hmm, seems >like that will look odd if pages have different size text frames. I do only >have headers, so I don't have to worry about bumping into footers. Yes, that's what I meant: making a small adjustment to the height of the main flow (at the bottom) on the preceding *body* page to the page containing an orphan. Yes, gross changes are out, as they will look bad, but sometimes a very small change can pull an orphan line back. If not, you can use 'keep with next' to pull the widow over the page break. One of the things proofreaders seem to write most often on my copy is 'take back'... little do they know how hard it can sometimes be!. > > >Similarly, make the text frame on a body page larger? No, manually decreasing the size of the main flow a small amount, again at the bottom. Both these operations, on a body page, create a special instance that differs from the master. Clearly, if you reapply master pages, these special instances are discarded, but while they exist, FrameMaker recognises and honors them. > tracking to pull a hyphenated word back from a page foot> > >Negative tracking? Highlight a problem section of text, pull up the character designer, set all fields to 'As is' and then apply small negative percentages to the 'Spread' field. If anything up to -1% doesn't fix the problem, it's best to tackle it some other way, as the text compression might become visible. With these and Hedley's suggestions, you are operating more in the area of art than technology. Page balancing is always a compromise, but as with most print design, if it looks right, it probably is. You get an eye for it with time... sometimes quite a lot of time. I have not yet met a tech author who was also a trained graphic designer, although I expect such people do exist, and lucky they are. The rest of us have to muddle through picking up skills as we go along. It's part of the fun, I guess. HTH -- Steve
best method to store template version
All of the aforementioned options are good. If you want the version visible to users, put it on a master page and conditionalize it so they can hide it when producing the final doc. -Huntley
best method to store template version
One of the little-known FrameMaker facts is that you can "hyperlink" from a cross-reference in a "template text frame" aka "master-page dummy frame" to an external document, with Ctrl+Alt+Click, just as on a document body page. Use this method to store more template documentation than fits into one frame; another benefit is that you can store all the template documentation and tutorials in one location. Regards, Peter ___ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Fred Ridder wrote: > > Karene Millar asked: > > > > I am responsible for maintaining the templates at my current company > > and I was wondering if anyone had suggestions on the best place to > > store the template version. Ideas are: in a variable or perhaps on a > > reference page. > > > > To be clear - I have a version number and date associated with the > > template so when you have a document you can look at it and identify > > the template version/date to see if it is using the latest templates. > > My own preference is to document templates in the dummy body text > frame on the master pages. Anything that is contained in the body frame > on a master page does not appear on the body pages, ever; only the > "background" (e.g. header and footer) frames of the master pages > hold content that actually appears on the body pages. > > One advantage to putting the template meta-data on a master page > is that it's much easier to find it there (particurly if you put it on one > of the default master pages) than to have to find the right reference > pages. And unlike a variable, you have *lots* of room to describe the > template (e.g. what has been changed/added since the last version) > and even show examples as well as identifying the template version > by number and/or date. > > -Fred Ridder
best method to store template version
Karene Millar asked: > I am responsible for maintaining the templates at my current company > and I was wondering if anyone had suggestions on the best place to > store the template version. Ideas are: in a variable or perhaps on a > reference page. > > To be clear - I have a version number and date associated with the > template so when you have a document you can look at it and identify > the template version/date to see if it is using the latest templates. My own preference is to document templates in the dummy body text frame on the master pages. Anything that is contained in the body frame on a master page does not appear on the body pages, ever; only the "background" (e.g. header and footer) frames of the master pages hold content that actually appears on the body pages. One advantage to putting the template meta-data on a master page is that it's much easier to find it there (particurly if you put it on one of the default master pages) than to have to find the right reference pages. And unlike a variable, you have *lots* of room to describe the template (e.g. what has been changed/added since the last version) and even show examples as well as identifying the template version by number and/or date. -Fred Ridder _ Express yourself wherever you are. Mobilize! http://www.gowindowslive.com/Mobile/Landing/Messenger/Default.aspx?Locale=en-US?ocid=TAG_APRIL
Long running headers
Hi Yves, My header consist of a running header/footer variable with heading2 in one column and the system and product name in the other column. In other books the system and product name is different and therefore I have to adjust the column width. I do not want the system/product name to break to a second line. I figure that there isn't a fully automatized solution without FrameScript. Michael M?ller-Hillebrand suggested another interesting approach: o A text frame for the header. o 1 paragraph for the system/product name, pagination Run-In Head with Default Punctuation \sm\sm (to have a space between system/product name and running header/footer). o 1 paragraph for the running header/footer variable, right aligned. This paragraph will be automatically on the same line as the first and it breaks to the next if its length gets too long. That works automatically when the system/product name is on the left side of the header. However, when the system/product name is on the right side, the paragraph with the running header/footer on the left needs a right indentation of the length of the system/product name. That would have to be adjusted manually. Best regards Winfried From: Yves Barbion [mailto:yves.barb...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:57 AM To: Reng, Dr. Winfried Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Long running headers What exactly would you like to automate, Winfried? On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Reng, Dr. Winfried wrote: Hi, I also use 2 column tables. However, do you know how to automate this? Part of my header is the product name, and its length varies in different books. Best regards Winfried > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of > Yves Barbion > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:43 AM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: Long running headers > > Or you can use one header text frame and put a two-column > table in it for > more design flexibility: > >- You can play with ruling and shading, for example to place your >headers/footers on a colored background. >- You can control the distance between both columns by playing with >the default cell margins. >- You can align your text vertically in the table cell. >- Your table cells will expand automatically as your header/footer >text becomes longer. > > Kind regards > > -- > Yves Barbion > Documentation Architect > Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor > Scripto > Belgium > > On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Lester C. Smalley > > wrote: > > > Another trick is to make TWO header text frames - one on > each side of > > the master page (tall enough for two lines of text), and two header > > paragraph format Header Left and Header Right, so I can > independently > > set font properties, justification, spacing, etc. for the different > > pieces of data I'm pulling in from the text. You can even > control the > > 'gutter' space between the two by sizing them appropriately. > > > > Makes it much easier to have truly Left and Right justified content > > automatically instead of fussing around with tab stops or indents.
Fine tuning pagination
Linda: Steve Rickaby quoted: >> I need to get the book to fit into an exact multiple of 16 pages. I've done >> >basic pagination control with my paragraph styles and with a page break >> >paragraph style, but this calls for greater fine tuning. >> > >> >I'd appreciate advice, tips, whatever, on how to fine tune pagination to >> >meet this need. >> Steve has given you some excellent advice. Some others you can do digitally are: @Change to a smaller body font *but* never ever try to reduce line spacing to fit more lines. Ideally the apparent white space between the baseline of one line and the x-line of the one below should be about double the x-height. @Slightly condense the body type -- not too much or the proportions of strokes will become ugly. @Increase the depth of all pages. Change to a double-column format as suggested by Steve. @Reduce the size of type in tables. @Reduce the size of all illustrations. When I was in publishing in the days of hot metal type and later cold type (type on photographic paper), we had a few other strategies to fit pages. @To deal with orphans (a short line at the top of the next page), first reduce the space above and below headings; in cold type terms, cut up the camera copy and move strips of paper around. (Also works for widows -- the first line of a paragraph at the foot of the page.) @If that is insufficient, increase the depth of the double-spread by one line to pull the orphan back. (Also works for widows to pull one line back so it's not lonely any more; alternatively, decrease the depth of the page by one line to push the widow over.) It's considered bad form to have an overdepth page immediately next to an overleaf underdepth page, and vice versa. And facing pages that are different depths are unforgivable. @If still in a jam, reduce the size of diagrams or illustrations, especially photographs, which may additionally be cropped. @In the last resort, remove some adjectives or other non-essential text (don't consult the author -- it's a user guide, not holy writ). @Return to and study the illustrations carefully. Are they comfort illustrations to simply reassure the reader that they have arrived at the right window or dialogue? If so, cut them. @Ask the printer if it is possible to print an 8-page section two-up, halving the print run. This (2 x 8 pp = 16pp) section can be slit on the folder, and then bound in with the 16 pp sections. @Finally, just accept a few blank pages at the end of the book. Can you put some house adverts for products or services on these pages? Regards, Hedley -- Hedley Finger 28 Regent Street Camberwell VIC 3124 Australia Tel. +61 3 9809 1229 Fax. (call phone first) Mob. (cell) +61 412 461 558 Email. "Hedley Finger"
Fine tuning pagination
Linda, As you probably guessed by now, it's easier to add space than take it away without making a mess for the next revision. So I find it easier to go long, which may mean extra pages and more white space (the price of print). When tweaking styles, I always start with the larger text and work my way down to paras, notes and tables. Finally, I've used Quite Imposing for years (used to layout signatures with tumbled boxes on one big page-ugh!). Once the software is installed, the imposition takes (at most) a minute and you're done! Often, the printer will do the impositions. But having the program (around $300) means that I don't encounter possible platform/font issues when sending native files to the printer for imposition. It also lets me know, just about any time, where I am with the layout. Mollye Barrett ClearPath, LLC 414-331-1378
Re: best method to store template version
All of the aforementioned options are good. If you want the version visible to users, put it on a master page and conditionalize it so they can hide it when producing the final doc. -Huntley ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: best method to store template version
One of the little-known FrameMaker facts is that you can "hyperlink" from a cross-reference in a "template text frame" aka "master-page dummy frame" to an external document, with Ctrl+Alt+Click, just as on a document body page. Use this method to store more template documentation than fits into one frame; another benefit is that you can store all the template documentation and tutorials in one location. Regards, Peter ___ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Fred Ridder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Karene Millar asked: > > > > I am responsible for maintaining the templates at my current company > > and I was wondering if anyone had suggestions on the best place to > > store the template version. Ideas are: in a variable or perhaps on a > > reference page. > > > > To be clear - I have a version number and date associated with the > > template so when you have a document you can look at it and identify > > the template version/date to see if it is using the latest templates. > > My own preference is to document templates in the dummy body text > frame on the master pages. Anything that is contained in the body frame > on a master page does not appear on the body pages, ever; only the > "background" (e.g. header and footer) frames of the master pages > hold content that actually appears on the body pages. > > One advantage to putting the template meta-data on a master page > is that it's much easier to find it there (particurly if you put it on one > of the default master pages) than to have to find the right reference > pages. And unlike a variable, you have *lots* of room to describe the > template (e.g. what has been changed/added since the last version) > and even show examples as well as identifying the template version > by number and/or date. > > -Fred Ridder ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
best method to store template version
If it's version number and date, you want it to be imported when you import the template. And handy for those wanting to check it. So I'd put it in a User Variable. The template author would have to remember to update the variable when s/he edited the template, but for everyone else the transfer of the information would be transparent and easily accessible. = Mike Bradley www.techpubs.com
RE: Fine tuning pagination
At 13:32 -0600 22/4/08, Linda G. Gallagher wrote: >Continuing with my ignorance showing, the book is the third edition, all >created with the same templates I designed a year or so ago. I just learned >about the 16-page signatures last week. Previous editions were printed with >a different process, and signatures were not an issue. > >I don't know yet whether I'm extending or reducing, as the content is >currently being reviewed and the index has not yet been created. The book >also has to be finished by May 9, so I don't have a lot of time and likely >don't have budget for additional software or personnel. I will inquire, >however. > >So, I likely have to make do with combination of your suggestions and what I >can manage to figure out. Not an ideal situation, I'll grant you. Linda: just balance the pages so that they look good, and pad out to 16s of you are more than 1 over, else try to drop that 1 to zero. It should get you by. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Fine tuning pagination
Continuing with my ignorance showing, the book is the third edition, all created with the same templates I designed a year or so ago. I just learned about the 16-page signatures last week. Previous editions were printed with a different process, and signatures were not an issue. I don't know yet whether I'm extending or reducing, as the content is currently being reviewed and the index has not yet been created. The book also has to be finished by May 9, so I don't have a lot of time and likely don't have budget for additional software or personnel. I will inquire, however. So, I likely have to make do with combination of your suggestions and what I can manage to figure out. Not an ideal situation, I'll grant you. If anyone knows a guru I might engage, let me know, but I don't think time or budget will permit. I'll also look into that plug-in. Thanks all! ~ Linda G. Gallagher TechCom Plus, LLC lindag at techcomplus dot com www.techcomplus.com 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144 User guides, online help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher templates -Original Message- From: knowhowpro at gmail.com [mailto:knowhow...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Peter Gold Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:41 AM To: Linda G. Gallagher Cc: Steve Rickaby; framers at frameusers.com Subject: Re: Fine tuning pagination Hi, Linda: You didn't say if the major problem you're facing is reducing content to fit the space available, extending it, or a combination of both. Your approach to a solution depends needs to consider these issues. Your feeling of ignorance may come from being offered so many good suggestions without an overall design plan to apply them to. They are not dumb questions; IMO, you'll be more comfortable answering them yourself once you're able to view them in context with your design solution. I strongly suggest that you either engage a typesetting-savvy designer, and dig into good typography and book design books, online forums, and similar resources before committing to an overall solution. All the well-meant suggestions on this thread are fragmentary techniques that are useful in achieving the design solution you settle upon, but they aren't solutions in themselves. Without an overall design solution planned in advance, you'll risk building a "giraffe" - a horse designed by a committee. In addition, applying many ad-hoc tweaks will make future maintenance difficult or impossible. HTH Regards, Peter ___ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Linda G. Gallagher wrote: > Steve, > > OK, I'm going to show my ignorance, but maybe I'm not the only one. Dumb > questions follow. > > > > Do you mean to make the main text frame on a body page larger? Hmm, seems > like that will look odd if pages have different size text frames. I do only > have headers, so I don't have to worry about bumping into footers. > > > > Similarly, make the text frame on a body page larger? > > > tracking to pull a hyphenated word back from a page foot> > > Negative tracking? > > Thanks! > > > ~ > Linda G. Gallagher > TechCom Plus, LLC > lindag at techcomplus dot com > www.techcomplus.com > 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144 > User guides, online help, FrameMaker and > WebWorks ePublisher templates > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srickaby at wordmongers.demon.co.uk] > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 5:48 PM > To: Linda G. Gallagher > Cc: framers at FrameUsers.com > Subject: Re: Fine tuning pagination > > At 15:41 -0600 21/4/08, Linda G. Gallagher wrote: > > >I'm working on a book for a commercial publishing house that prints in > >16-page signatures. I've not done anything quite like this before. > > > >I need to get the book to fit into an exact multiple of 16 pages. I've done > >basic pagination control with my paragraph styles and with a page break > >paragraph style, but this calls for greater fine tuning. > > > >I'd appreciate advice, tips, whatever, on how to fine tune pagination to > >meet this need. > > Two subjects: > > 1. Making pages beautiful > > 2. Making a book the required length. > > FrameMaker gives you a wide range of controls you can use to balance pages: > > Ensuring that book parts have the correct basic pagination, to trim to > odd/even page count or whatever > > Widow/orphan control in the paragraph designer > > 'Keep with next' option in the paragraph designer > > Manually stretching the main page flow to take lines back > > Manually shrinking the main page flow to move lines forward > > Manually bouncing paras to the top of a new page/column > > Moving large objects like figures and tables around to maximize page > occupancy > > Micro-control of text, for example adding small amounts of negative > tracking to pull a hyphenated word back from a page fo
Printing 8.5x11 and 11x17 in the same book
Megan, You wrote: Many of my books have electrical and mechanical drawings interspersed throughout them that are 11x17. Unfortunately, I can not shrink them to 8.5x11 because the integrity of the document is compromised. I have been having some problems figuring out how to set up FrameMaker to generate a post script file with both 8.5x11 pages and 11x17 pages so that I do not have to make 2 post script files. I am currently running FrameMaker 7.2 on Windows XP. Is there a way to generate one post script file with two different size pages in the same book? * Yes, there is a way to do it. In Acrobat, create a custom 17x11 page, or whatever your large page size is. In Frame, make all master pages the size of that oversized page. Place a postscript textbox on each master page you want to trim to 8.5x11 with this code: [/CropBox [0 0 612 792] /PAGE pdfmark Position text blocks to conform to the final trim size. If you need landscape letter size, use this pdfmark: [/CropBox [0 0 792 612] /PAGE pdfmark Don't use /CropBox on masters you want to be 17x11. Finally, you might consider designating a paragraph format for your 17x11 pages. That will allow you to use FM's Apply Master Pages function to keep the oversized graphics assigned to the correct master pages. Baruch Brodersen Technitext Documentation
RE: Fine tuning pagination
Linda, As you probably guessed by now, it's easier to add space than take it away without making a mess for the next revision. So I find it easier to go long, which may mean extra pages and more white space (the price of print). When tweaking styles, I always start with the larger text and work my way down to paras, notes and tables. Finally, I've used Quite Imposing for years (used to layout signatures with tumbled boxes on one big page-ugh!). Once the software is installed, the imposition takes (at most) a minute and you're done! Often, the printer will do the impositions. But having the program (around $300) means that I don't encounter possible platform/font issues when sending native files to the printer for imposition. It also lets me know, just about any time, where I am with the layout. Mollye Barrett ClearPath, LLC 414-331-1378 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FM's limit to number of search and replace operations query
Rob, You wrote: >I am in the final stages of a manuscript and trying to resolve matters like >spaces after colons and punctuation. I thought I knew all the tricks, but >when I do the Search and Replace with more than 3,500 operations in one >file, FM crashes. I would not have thought FM would have limits (thought in >fact it looped until it had done everything) so I am blaming myself. Small >1 to 3499 opeartions go well. > >running XP and FM7.2 with updates. Find/Change operations may cause a crash when there are many replacements (internal error: 8004, 8442924, 4906935, 4903184). For example, in chapter 2 of the sample Ecology book provided with FrameMaker, replace a space with a space (the same operation is successful in FrameMaker 7.2). Workaround: add the following line in the [Preferences] section in maker.ini (see issue #1555297 in FrameMaker 8.0's ReadMeFirst.html) ClearHistorySpecial=On After adding this entry, the History palette will be cleared when a global Find/Change action is executed, and the global Find/Change action cannot be undone. I encountered this with FM8.0 where the workaround is to add a ClearHistorySpecial=On entry to the make.ini file, after which the History palette is cleared when a global Find/Change action is executed. I did not encounter this in FM7.2, even when the number of replacements was much higher than 3500. How about using a number of Search/Replace actions (eg use separate search/replace actions in individual chapters and avoid book-wide searches, or apply separate actions to selected areas in a file)? [ See background information by Michael Mueller-Hillebrand at http://www.adobeforums.com/webx/?13 at 912.dPfqiv8AaaB@.3c05a417/0 ] Shlomo Perets MicroType, http://www.microtype.com * ToolbarPlus Express for FrameMaker FrameMaker/Acrobat training & consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants
RE: best method to store template version
Karene, Welcome to Framers. There are a lot of knowledgeable people on the list, including Adobe employees who sometimes answer questions and make announcements. How about storing the version information in the FM metadata? File > File Info. There is room for some descriptive info there. Another way is on a master page that is not used in the template body pages, or as you mentioned, on a reference page. But those would be less likely seen by the users. HTH, Diane Gaskill Hitachi Data Systems -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Karene Millar Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:45 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: best method to store template version Hi I'm new to this group, but not to FrameMaker :) I am responsible for maintaining the templates at my current company and I was wondering if anyone had suggestions on the best place to store the template version. Ideas are: in a variable or perhaps on a reference page. To be clear - I have a version number and date associated with the template so when you have a document you can look at it and identify the template version/date to see if it is using the latest templates. Thanks! Karene ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dgcaller%40earthlink.net Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
best method to store template version
Karene, Welcome to Framers. There are a lot of knowledgeable people on the list, including Adobe employees who sometimes answer questions and make announcements. How about storing the version information in the FM metadata? File > File Info. There is room for some descriptive info there. Another way is on a master page that is not used in the template body pages, or as you mentioned, on a reference page. But those would be less likely seen by the users. HTH, Diane Gaskill Hitachi Data Systems -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com]On Behalf Of Karene Millar Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:45 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: best method to store template version Hi I'm new to this group, but not to FrameMaker :) I am responsible for maintaining the templates at my current company and I was wondering if anyone had suggestions on the best place to store the template version. Ideas are: in a variable or perhaps on a reference page. To be clear - I have a version number and date associated with the template so when you have a document you can look at it and identify the template version/date to see if it is using the latest templates. Thanks! Karene ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as dgcaller at earthlink.net. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dgcaller%40earthlink.net Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: best method to store template version
Karene Millar asked: > I am responsible for maintaining the templates at my current company > and I was wondering if anyone had suggestions on the best place to > store the template version. Ideas are: in a variable or perhaps on a > reference page. > > To be clear - I have a version number and date associated with the > template so when you have a document you can look at it and identify > the template version/date to see if it is using the latest templates. My own preference is to document templates in the dummy body text frame on the master pages. Anything that is contained in the body frame on a master page does not appear on the body pages, ever; only the "background" (e.g. header and footer) frames of the master pages hold content that actually appears on the body pages. One advantage to putting the template meta-data on a master page is that it's much easier to find it there (particurly if you put it on one of the default master pages) than to have to find the right reference pages. And unlike a variable, you have *lots* of room to describe the template (e.g. what has been changed/added since the last version) and even show examples as well as identifying the template version by number and/or date. -Fred Ridder _ Express yourself wherever you are. Mobilize! http://www.gowindowslive.com/Mobile/Landing/Messenger/Default.aspx?Locale=en-US?ocid=TAG_APRIL ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Fine tuning pagination
Continuing with my ignorance showing, the book is the third edition, all created with the same templates I designed a year or so ago. I just learned about the 16-page signatures last week. Previous editions were printed with a different process, and signatures were not an issue. I don't know yet whether I'm extending or reducing, as the content is currently being reviewed and the index has not yet been created. The book also has to be finished by May 9, so I don't have a lot of time and likely don't have budget for additional software or personnel. I will inquire, however. So, I likely have to make do with combination of your suggestions and what I can manage to figure out. Not an ideal situation, I'll grant you. If anyone knows a guru I might engage, let me know, but I don't think time or budget will permit. I'll also look into that plug-in. Thanks all! ~ Linda G. Gallagher TechCom Plus, LLC lindag at techcomplus dot com www.techcomplus.com 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144 User guides, online help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher templates -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter Gold Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 9:41 AM To: Linda G. Gallagher Cc: Steve Rickaby; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fine tuning pagination Hi, Linda: You didn't say if the major problem you're facing is reducing content to fit the space available, extending it, or a combination of both. Your approach to a solution depends needs to consider these issues. Your feeling of ignorance may come from being offered so many good suggestions without an overall design plan to apply them to. They are not dumb questions; IMO, you'll be more comfortable answering them yourself once you're able to view them in context with your design solution. I strongly suggest that you either engage a typesetting-savvy designer, and dig into good typography and book design books, online forums, and similar resources before committing to an overall solution. All the well-meant suggestions on this thread are fragmentary techniques that are useful in achieving the design solution you settle upon, but they aren't solutions in themselves. Without an overall design solution planned in advance, you'll risk building a "giraffe" - a horse designed by a committee. In addition, applying many ad-hoc tweaks will make future maintenance difficult or impossible. HTH Regards, Peter ___ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Linda G. Gallagher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Steve, > > OK, I'm going to show my ignorance, but maybe I'm not the only one. Dumb > questions follow. > > > > Do you mean to make the main text frame on a body page larger? Hmm, seems > like that will look odd if pages have different size text frames. I do only > have headers, so I don't have to worry about bumping into footers. > > > > Similarly, make the text frame on a body page larger? > > > tracking to pull a hyphenated word back from a page foot> > > Negative tracking? > > Thanks! > > > ~ > Linda G. Gallagher > TechCom Plus, LLC > lindag at techcomplus dot com > www.techcomplus.com > 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144 > User guides, online help, FrameMaker and > WebWorks ePublisher templates > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 5:48 PM > To: Linda G. Gallagher > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Fine tuning pagination > > At 15:41 -0600 21/4/08, Linda G. Gallagher wrote: > > >I'm working on a book for a commercial publishing house that prints in > >16-page signatures. I've not done anything quite like this before. > > > >I need to get the book to fit into an exact multiple of 16 pages. I've done > >basic pagination control with my paragraph styles and with a page break > >paragraph style, but this calls for greater fine tuning. > > > >I'd appreciate advice, tips, whatever, on how to fine tune pagination to > >meet this need. > > Two subjects: > > 1. Making pages beautiful > > 2. Making a book the required length. > > FrameMaker gives you a wide range of controls you can use to balance pages: > > Ensuring that book parts have the correct basic pagination, to trim to > odd/even page count or whatever > > Widow/orphan control in the paragraph designer > > 'Keep with next' option in the paragraph designer > > Manually stretching the main page flow to take lines back > > Manually shrinking the main page flow to move lines forward > > Manually bouncing paras to the top of a new page/column > > Moving large objects like figures and tables around to maximize page > occupancy > > Micro-control of text, for example adding small amounts of negative > tracking to pull a hyphenated word back from a page foot > > The page shrink/st
RE: Printing 8.5x11 and 11x17 in the same book
Megan, You wrote: Many of my books have electrical and mechanical drawings interspersed throughout them that are 11x17. Unfortunately, I can not shrink them to 8.5x11 because the integrity of the document is compromised. I have been having some problems figuring out how to set up FrameMaker to generate a post script file with both 8.5x11 pages and 11x17 pages so that I do not have to make 2 post script files. I am currently running FrameMaker 7.2 on Windows XP. Is there a way to generate one post script file with two different size pages in the same book? * Yes, there is a way to do it. In Acrobat, create a custom 17x11 page, or whatever your large page size is. In Frame, make all master pages the size of that oversized page. Place a postscript textbox on each master page you want to trim to 8.5x11 with this code: [/CropBox [0 0 612 792] /PAGE pdfmark Position text blocks to conform to the final trim size. If you need landscape letter size, use this pdfmark: [/CropBox [0 0 792 612] /PAGE pdfmark Don't use /CropBox on masters you want to be 17x11. Finally, you might consider designating a paragraph format for your 17x11 pages. That will allow you to use FM's Apply Master Pages function to keep the oversized graphics assigned to the correct master pages. Baruch Brodersen Technitext Documentation ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Fine tuning pagination
I would not try to do the signatures in Framemaker. You can use a plug-in for Adobe Acrobat, Quite Imposing Plus (http://www.quite.com/) to do the imposition of a pdf before you send it to the printer. I used the plug-in a lot for documents we sent to a Xerox Docutech. The plug in is a bit expensive, but we calculated that it paid for itself in a few jobs. Manually laying out the pages for higher page counts is extremely difficult to do. Hope this helps! Terri > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Fine tuning pagination > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:41:22 -0600 > > Framers, > > I'm working on a book for a commercial publishing house that prints in > 16-page signatures. I've not done anything quite like this before. > > I need to get the book to fit into an exact multiple of 16 pages. I've done > basic pagination control with my paragraph styles and with a page break > paragraph style, but this calls for greater fine tuning. > > I'd appreciate advice, tips, whatever, on how to fine tune pagination to > meet this need. > > Thanks in advance! > > ~ > Linda G. Gallagher > TechCom Plus, LLC > lindag at techcomplus dot com > www.techcomplus.com > 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144 > User guides, online help, FrameMaker and > WebWorks ePublisher templates > > > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/tjs_badger%40hotmail.com > > Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. _ More immediate than e-mail? Get instant access with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_instantaccess_042008 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
best method to store template version
Hi I'm new to this group, but not to FrameMaker :) I am responsible for maintaining the templates at my current company and I was wondering if anyone had suggestions on the best place to store the template version. Ideas are: in a variable or perhaps on a reference page. To be clear - I have a version number and date associated with the template so when you have a document you can look at it and identify the template version/date to see if it is using the latest templates. Thanks! Karene ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Fine tuning pagination
Linda G. Gallagher wrote: > Steve, > tracking to pull a hyphenated word back from a page foot> > > Negative tracking? > > Thanks! I can field this one, with some extra suggestions. In the Paragraph and Character Designers, you can use Spread to alter the spacing between letters, and Stretch to alter the width of the characters. In the Paragraph Designer, you can alter the spacing between words. You can use these as overrides to nudge the way your text flows from page to page. Start early in the flow and work forward. If you want to take up more pages, look for a paragraph where the last line is almost full, and then nudge the text in the paragraph until it goes to a new line. If you want fewer pages, look for a paragraph where the text flows to a new line by one or two short words, and then nudge the flow to take up one less line. THe "knock-on" effect for subsequent page breaks can be dramatic. Are you using balanced columns with feathering? If so, you can also adjust the interline and inter-paragraph padding. In this case, look for orphans and widows, and use the padding limits to nudge them forward or back. Properly used, these controls can be subtle. Don't abuse them or your page will start looking ugly.
Long running headers
I've used tables in the header as well, in particular for the vertical alignment capability. But there are a few cautions: - the table row (cell) height automatically expanding may be an issue depending on the available space; you have to be sure your header content doesn't get cut if it grows (make sure the header frame is tall enough) - a table has to have an anchor paragraph in the header text frame that also adds vertical space; this can be overcome by setting BOTH the space below the anchor paragraph and the height above the table to the negative line spacing of the anchoring paragraph. E.g., if the paragraph line space value is 2 points, set the space below the para and space above the table to -2 points. OR you can play with the size and placement of the header frame to move it closer to the top paper edge. Or both On Tuesday, April 22, 2008 02:43 AM, Yves Barbion wrote: | Or you can use one header text frame and put a two-column table in it | for more design flexibility: | | - You can play with ruling and shading, for example to place your |headers/footers on a colored background. | - You can control the distance between both columns by playing |with the default cell margins. | - You can align your text vertically in the table cell. | - Your table cells will expand automatically as your header/footer |text becomes longer. | | Kind regards | | -- | Yves Barbion | Documentation Architect | Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor | Scripto | Belgium - Lester --- Lester C. Smalley Email: lsmalley AT infocon DOT com Information Consultants, Inc. Phone: 302-239-2942 FAX: 302-239-1712 Yorklyn, DE 19736 Web: www.infocon.com ---
Fine tuning pagination
Hi, Linda: You didn't say if the major problem you're facing is reducing content to fit the space available, extending it, or a combination of both. Your approach to a solution depends needs to consider these issues. Your feeling of ignorance may come from being offered so many good suggestions without an overall design plan to apply them to. They are not dumb questions; IMO, you'll be more comfortable answering them yourself once you're able to view them in context with your design solution. I strongly suggest that you either engage a typesetting-savvy designer, and dig into good typography and book design books, online forums, and similar resources before committing to an overall solution. All the well-meant suggestions on this thread are fragmentary techniques that are useful in achieving the design solution you settle upon, but they aren't solutions in themselves. Without an overall design solution planned in advance, you'll risk building a "giraffe" - a horse designed by a committee. In addition, applying many ad-hoc tweaks will make future maintenance difficult or impossible. HTH Regards, Peter ___ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Linda G. Gallagher wrote: > Steve, > > OK, I'm going to show my ignorance, but maybe I'm not the only one. Dumb > questions follow. > > > > Do you mean to make the main text frame on a body page larger? Hmm, seems > like that will look odd if pages have different size text frames. I do only > have headers, so I don't have to worry about bumping into footers. > > > > Similarly, make the text frame on a body page larger? > > > tracking to pull a hyphenated word back from a page foot> > > Negative tracking? > > Thanks! > > > ~ > Linda G. Gallagher > TechCom Plus, LLC > lindag at techcomplus dot com > www.techcomplus.com > 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144 > User guides, online help, FrameMaker and > WebWorks ePublisher templates > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srickaby at wordmongers.demon.co.uk] > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 5:48 PM > To: Linda G. Gallagher > Cc: framers at FrameUsers.com > Subject: Re: Fine tuning pagination > > At 15:41 -0600 21/4/08, Linda G. Gallagher wrote: > > >I'm working on a book for a commercial publishing house that prints in > >16-page signatures. I've not done anything quite like this before. > > > >I need to get the book to fit into an exact multiple of 16 pages. I've done > >basic pagination control with my paragraph styles and with a page break > >paragraph style, but this calls for greater fine tuning. > > > >I'd appreciate advice, tips, whatever, on how to fine tune pagination to > >meet this need. > > Two subjects: > > 1. Making pages beautiful > > 2. Making a book the required length. > > FrameMaker gives you a wide range of controls you can use to balance pages: > > Ensuring that book parts have the correct basic pagination, to trim to > odd/even page count or whatever > > Widow/orphan control in the paragraph designer > > 'Keep with next' option in the paragraph designer > > Manually stretching the main page flow to take lines back > > Manually shrinking the main page flow to move lines forward > > Manually bouncing paras to the top of a new page/column > > Moving large objects like figures and tables around to maximize page > occupancy > > Micro-control of text, for example adding small amounts of negative > tracking to pull a hyphenated word back from a page foot > > The page shrink/stretch options are easier to use in a design that uses > headers rather than footers. > > All the above can be used to beautify pages by minimizing widows and > orphans, making sure that, say, the introductory sentence to a bullet list > does not lie last on a recto page, and so on. These are all about making > pages beautiful. At the end of the day, though, you might have to pad out > the page count to get your total page count to a multiple of 16/32/whatever. > It's not uncommon to find printed books with two or even four blanks at the > end for this purpose. I have even had it suggested that chapters could start > on a verso page, but I don't like it. In the case of grossly excessive page > count, you might even have to resort to major design changes, like setting > specific sections in multiple columns (it's happened to me). > > This sort of process should be done, of course, as absolutely the last thing > after all text changes have been done. It is a serial process that starts at > the beginning and works forward towards the end of a book because everything > knocks on at least to the end of the current chapter/book part. You can do > 98% of what you want with FrameMaker global controls, but you are almost > always forced to 'break the rules' about local overrides to get the last 2% > just right. Just live wit
FM's limit to number of search and replace operations query
Hi Framers: I am in the final stages of a manuscript and trying to resolve matters like spaces after colons and punctuation. I thought I knew all the tricks, but when I do the Search and Replace with more than 3,500 operations in one file, FM crashes. I would not have thought FM would have limits (thought in fact it looped until it had done everything) so I am blaming myself. Small 1 to 3499 opeartions go well. running XP and FM7.2 with updates. Rob
Fine tuning pagination
You've already received many excellent suggestions for copy fitting, most of them pertaining to text. If you have exhibits such as illustrations and tables, you can also adjust the spacing above and below the frames that hold them, and around the objects in them.
Re: Fine tuning pagination
At 10:41 -0500 22/4/08, Peter Gold wrote: >I strongly suggest that you either engage a typesetting-savvy designer, and >dig into good typography and book design books, online forums, and similar >resources before committing to an overall solution. Good advice indeed. I had assumed that Linda was working from an existing design, and I expect Hedley had too. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Fine tuning pagination
Hedley, BTW, this is not a user guide. It's a technical book. More of my ignorance about to show. <@Slightly condense the body type -- not too much or the proportions of strokes will become ugly.> Using the word spacing options in the paragraph designer? <@Increase the depth of all pages. > Is this adjusting the text frame size on master pages? <@If that is insufficient, increase the depth of the double-spread by one line to pull the orphan back.It's considered bad form to have an overdepth page immediately next to an overleaf underdepth page, and vice versa. And facing pages that are different depths are unforgivable.> Is this adjusting the text frame size on body pages, but making sure facing pages are have the same text frame size? Thanks for all the tips. Just trying to understand the mechanics. ~ Linda G. Gallagher TechCom Plus, LLC lindag at techcomplus dot com www.techcomplus.com 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144 User guides, online help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher templates -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Hedley Finger Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:07 PM To: Framers Self-Support Subject: Re: Fine tuning pagination Linda: Steve Rickaby quoted: >> I need to get the book to fit into an exact multiple of 16 pages. I've done >> >basic pagination control with my paragraph styles and with a page break >> >paragraph style, but this calls for greater fine tuning. >> > >> >I'd appreciate advice, tips, whatever, on how to fine tune pagination to >> >meet this need. >> Steve has given you some excellent advice. Some others you can do digitally are: @Change to a smaller body font *but* never ever try to reduce line spacing to fit more lines. Ideally the apparent white space between the baseline of one line and the x-line of the one below should be about double the x-height. @Slightly condense the body type -- not too much or the proportions of strokes will become ugly. @Increase the depth of all pages. Change to a double-column format as suggested by Steve. @Reduce the size of type in tables. @Reduce the size of all illustrations. When I was in publishing in the days of hot metal type and later cold type (type on photographic paper), we had a few other strategies to fit pages. @To deal with orphans (a short line at the top of the next page), first reduce the space above and below headings; in cold type terms, cut up the camera copy and move strips of paper around. (Also works for widows -- the first line of a paragraph at the foot of the page.) @If that is insufficient, increase the depth of the double-spread by one line to pull the orphan back. (Also works for widows to pull one line back so it's not lonely any more; alternatively, decrease the depth of the page by one line to push the widow over.) It's considered bad form to have an overdepth page immediately next to an overleaf underdepth page, and vice versa. And facing pages that are different depths are unforgivable. @If still in a jam, reduce the size of diagrams or illustrations, especially photographs, which may additionally be cropped. @In the last resort, remove some adjectives or other non-essential text (don't consult the author -- it's a user guide, not holy writ). @Return to and study the illustrations carefully. Are they comfort illustrations to simply reassure the reader that they have arrived at the right window or dialogue? If so, cut them. @Ask the printer if it is possible to print an 8-page section two-up, halving the print run. This (2 x 8 pp = 16pp) section can be slit on the folder, and then bound in with the 16 pp sections. @Finally, just accept a few blank pages at the end of the book. Can you put some house adverts for products or services on these pages? Regards, Hedley -- Hedley Finger 28 Regent Street Camberwell VIC 3124 Australia Tel. +61 3 9809 1229 Fax. (call phone first) Mob. (cell) +61 412 461 558 Email. "Hedley Finger" ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as lindag at techcomplus.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lindag%40techcomplus.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Long running headers
What exactly would you like to automate, Winfried? On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Reng, Dr. Winfried wrote: > Hi, > > I also use 2 column tables. However, do you know how to > automate this? Part of my header is the product name, and > its length varies in different books. > > Best regards > > Winfried > > > -Original Message- > > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com > > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of > > Yves Barbion > > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:43 AM > > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > > Subject: Re: Long running headers > > > > Or you can use one header text frame and put a two-column > > table in it for > > more design flexibility: > > > >- You can play with ruling and shading, for example to place your > >headers/footers on a colored background. > >- You can control the distance between both columns by playing with > >the default cell margins. > >- You can align your text vertically in the table cell. > >- Your table cells will expand automatically as your header/footer > >text becomes longer. > > > > Kind regards > > > > -- > > Yves Barbion > > Documentation Architect > > Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor > > Scripto > > Belgium > > > > On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Lester C. Smalley > > > > wrote: > > > > > Another trick is to make TWO header text frames - one on > > each side of > > > the master page (tall enough for two lines of text), and two header > > > paragraph format Header Left and Header Right, so I can > > independently > > > set font properties, justification, spacing, etc. for the different > > > pieces of data I'm pulling in from the text. You can even > > control the > > > 'gutter' space between the two by sizing them appropriately. > > > > > > Makes it much easier to have truly Left and Right justified content > > > automatically instead of fussing around with tab stops or indents. > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as yves.barbion at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/yves.barbion%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
Fine tuning pagination
Steve, OK, I'm going to show my ignorance, but maybe I'm not the only one. Dumb questions follow. Do you mean to make the main text frame on a body page larger? Hmm, seems like that will look odd if pages have different size text frames. I do only have headers, so I don't have to worry about bumping into footers. Similarly, make the text frame on a body page larger? Negative tracking? Thanks! ~ Linda G. Gallagher TechCom Plus, LLC lindag at techcomplus dot com www.techcomplus.com 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144 User guides, online help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher templates -Original Message- From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 5:48 PM To: Linda G. Gallagher Cc: framers at FrameUsers.com Subject: Re: Fine tuning pagination At 15:41 -0600 21/4/08, Linda G. Gallagher wrote: >I'm working on a book for a commercial publishing house that prints in >16-page signatures. I've not done anything quite like this before. > >I need to get the book to fit into an exact multiple of 16 pages. I've done >basic pagination control with my paragraph styles and with a page break >paragraph style, but this calls for greater fine tuning. > >I'd appreciate advice, tips, whatever, on how to fine tune pagination to >meet this need. Two subjects: 1. Making pages beautiful 2. Making a book the required length. FrameMaker gives you a wide range of controls you can use to balance pages: Ensuring that book parts have the correct basic pagination, to trim to odd/even page count or whatever Widow/orphan control in the paragraph designer 'Keep with next' option in the paragraph designer Manually stretching the main page flow to take lines back Manually shrinking the main page flow to move lines forward Manually bouncing paras to the top of a new page/column Moving large objects like figures and tables around to maximize page occupancy Micro-control of text, for example adding small amounts of negative tracking to pull a hyphenated word back from a page foot The page shrink/stretch options are easier to use in a design that uses headers rather than footers. All the above can be used to beautify pages by minimizing widows and orphans, making sure that, say, the introductory sentence to a bullet list does not lie last on a recto page, and so on. These are all about making pages beautiful. At the end of the day, though, you might have to pad out the page count to get your total page count to a multiple of 16/32/whatever. It's not uncommon to find printed books with two or even four blanks at the end for this purpose. I have even had it suggested that chapters could start on a verso page, but I don't like it. In the case of grossly excessive page count, you might even have to resort to major design changes, like setting specific sections in multiple columns (it's happened to me). This sort of process should be done, of course, as absolutely the last thing after all text changes have been done. It is a serial process that starts at the beginning and works forward towards the end of a book because everything knocks on at least to the end of the current chapter/book part. You can do 98% of what you want with FrameMaker global controls, but you are almost always forced to 'break the rules' about local overrides to get the last 2% just right. Just live with it ;-) -- Steve
Fine tuning pagination
This is what we do, we still space from Peter, give it to Paul. Scott White Media Production Manager Implementation Coordinator 210-704-8239 swhite at alamark.com On Apr 22, 2008, at 8:08 AM, Jim Owens wrote: > You've already received many excellent suggestions for copy fitting, > most of them pertaining to text. If you have exhibits such as > illustrations and tables, you can also adjust the spacing above and > below the frames that hold them, and around the objects in them. > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as swhite at alamark.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/swhite%40alamark.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > >
Long running headers
Hi, I also use 2 column tables. However, do you know how to automate this? Part of my header is the product name, and its length varies in different books. Best regards Winfried > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of > Yves Barbion > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:43 AM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: Long running headers > > Or you can use one header text frame and put a two-column > table in it for > more design flexibility: > >- You can play with ruling and shading, for example to place your >headers/footers on a colored background. >- You can control the distance between both columns by playing with >the default cell margins. >- You can align your text vertically in the table cell. >- Your table cells will expand automatically as your header/footer >text becomes longer. > > Kind regards > > -- > Yves Barbion > Documentation Architect > Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor > Scripto > Belgium > > On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Lester C. Smalley > > wrote: > > > Another trick is to make TWO header text frames - one on > each side of > > the master page (tall enough for two lines of text), and two header > > paragraph format Header Left and Header Right, so I can > independently > > set font properties, justification, spacing, etc. for the different > > pieces of data I'm pulling in from the text. You can even > control the > > 'gutter' space between the two by sizing them appropriately. > > > > Makes it much easier to have truly Left and Right justified content > > automatically instead of fussing around with tab stops or indents.
Long running headers
Or you can use one header text frame and put a two-column table in it for more design flexibility: - You can play with ruling and shading, for example to place your headers/footers on a colored background. - You can control the distance between both columns by playing with the default cell margins. - You can align your text vertically in the table cell. - Your table cells will expand automatically as your header/footer text becomes longer. Kind regards -- Yves Barbion Documentation Architect Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor Scripto Belgium On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Lester C. Smalley wrote: > Another trick is to make TWO header text frames - one on each side of > the master page (tall enough for two lines of text), and two header > paragraph format Header Left and Header Right, so I can independently > set font properties, justification, spacing, etc. for the different > pieces of data I'm pulling in from the text. You can even control the > 'gutter' space between the two by sizing them appropriately. > > Makes it much easier to have truly Left and Right justified content > automatically instead of fussing around with tab stops or indents. > >
Re: Fine tuning pagination
Hi, Linda: You didn't say if the major problem you're facing is reducing content to fit the space available, extending it, or a combination of both. Your approach to a solution depends needs to consider these issues. Your feeling of ignorance may come from being offered so many good suggestions without an overall design plan to apply them to. They are not dumb questions; IMO, you'll be more comfortable answering them yourself once you're able to view them in context with your design solution. I strongly suggest that you either engage a typesetting-savvy designer, and dig into good typography and book design books, online forums, and similar resources before committing to an overall solution. All the well-meant suggestions on this thread are fragmentary techniques that are useful in achieving the design solution you settle upon, but they aren't solutions in themselves. Without an overall design solution planned in advance, you'll risk building a "giraffe" - a horse designed by a committee. In addition, applying many ad-hoc tweaks will make future maintenance difficult or impossible. HTH Regards, Peter ___ Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Linda G. Gallagher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Steve, > > OK, I'm going to show my ignorance, but maybe I'm not the only one. Dumb > questions follow. > > > > Do you mean to make the main text frame on a body page larger? Hmm, seems > like that will look odd if pages have different size text frames. I do only > have headers, so I don't have to worry about bumping into footers. > > > > Similarly, make the text frame on a body page larger? > > > tracking to pull a hyphenated word back from a page foot> > > Negative tracking? > > Thanks! > > > ~ > Linda G. Gallagher > TechCom Plus, LLC > lindag at techcomplus dot com > www.techcomplus.com > 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144 > User guides, online help, FrameMaker and > WebWorks ePublisher templates > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 5:48 PM > To: Linda G. Gallagher > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Fine tuning pagination > > At 15:41 -0600 21/4/08, Linda G. Gallagher wrote: > > >I'm working on a book for a commercial publishing house that prints in > >16-page signatures. I've not done anything quite like this before. > > > >I need to get the book to fit into an exact multiple of 16 pages. I've done > >basic pagination control with my paragraph styles and with a page break > >paragraph style, but this calls for greater fine tuning. > > > >I'd appreciate advice, tips, whatever, on how to fine tune pagination to > >meet this need. > > Two subjects: > > 1. Making pages beautiful > > 2. Making a book the required length. > > FrameMaker gives you a wide range of controls you can use to balance pages: > > Ensuring that book parts have the correct basic pagination, to trim to > odd/even page count or whatever > > Widow/orphan control in the paragraph designer > > 'Keep with next' option in the paragraph designer > > Manually stretching the main page flow to take lines back > > Manually shrinking the main page flow to move lines forward > > Manually bouncing paras to the top of a new page/column > > Moving large objects like figures and tables around to maximize page > occupancy > > Micro-control of text, for example adding small amounts of negative > tracking to pull a hyphenated word back from a page foot > > The page shrink/stretch options are easier to use in a design that uses > headers rather than footers. > > All the above can be used to beautify pages by minimizing widows and > orphans, making sure that, say, the introductory sentence to a bullet list > does not lie last on a recto page, and so on. These are all about making > pages beautiful. At the end of the day, though, you might have to pad out > the page count to get your total page count to a multiple of 16/32/whatever. > It's not uncommon to find printed books with two or even four blanks at the > end for this purpose. I have even had it suggested that chapters could start > on a verso page, but I don't like it. In the case of grossly excessive page > count, you might even have to resort to major design changes, like setting > specific sections in multiple columns (it's happened to me). > > This sort of process should be done, of course, as absolutely the last thing > after all text changes have been done. It is a serial process that starts at > the beginning and works forward towards the end of a book because everything > knocks on at least to the end of the current chapter/book part. You can do > 98% of what you want with FrameMaker global controls, but you are almost > always forced to 'break the rules' about local overrides to get the last 2% > just right. Just live with it ;-)
Cordless headset
I love my Plantronics headset. Like Syed said, not inexpensive. (I have a smaller Plantronics for my cell phone too.) I'm sure less expensive ones could work as well from HelloDirect) http://www.plantronics.com/north_america/en_US/products/home/telephone-heads et-systems/cs55h -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 2:08 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; framers at omsys.com Subject: OT: Cordless headset Hello Framers, I am moving soon and looking to upgrade my home office. I would like to find a nice 2-line phone with a cordless headset. I would like to be able to answer the phone remotely from the headset, if possible. Any advice or recommendations would be appreciated. Thank you very much. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as pete at rourke.org. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/pete%40rourke.org Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Cordless headset
I love my Plantronics headset. Like Syed said, not inexpensive. (I have a smaller Plantronics for my cell phone too.) I'm sure less expensive ones could work as well from HelloDirect) http://www.plantronics.com/north_america/en_US/products/home/telephone-heads et-systems/cs55h -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 2:08 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT: Cordless headset Hello Framers, I am moving soon and looking to upgrade my home office. I would like to find a nice 2-line phone with a cordless headset. I would like to be able to answer the phone remotely from the headset, if possible. Any advice or recommendations would be appreciated. Thank you very much. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/pete%40rourke.org Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Fine tuning pagination
At 08:55 -0600 22/4/08, Linda G. Gallagher wrote: >OK, I'm going to show my ignorance, but maybe I'm not the only one. Dumb >questions follow. Not at all dumb... > > >Do you mean to make the main text frame on a body page larger? Hmm, seems >like that will look odd if pages have different size text frames. I do only >have headers, so I don't have to worry about bumping into footers. Yes, that's what I meant: making a small adjustment to the height of the main flow (at the bottom) on the preceding *body* page to the page containing an orphan. Yes, gross changes are out, as they will look bad, but sometimes a very small change can pull an orphan line back. If not, you can use 'keep with next' to pull the widow over the page break. One of the things proofreaders seem to write most often on my copy is 'take back'... little do they know how hard it can sometimes be!. > > >Similarly, make the text frame on a body page larger? No, manually decreasing the size of the main flow a small amount, again at the bottom. Both these operations, on a body page, create a special instance that differs from the master. Clearly, if you reapply master pages, these special instances are discarded, but while they exist, FrameMaker recognises and honors them. > tracking to pull a hyphenated word back from a page foot> > >Negative tracking? Highlight a problem section of text, pull up the character designer, set all fields to 'As is' and then apply small negative percentages to the 'Spread' field. If anything up to -1% doesn't fix the problem, it's best to tackle it some other way, as the text compression might become visible. With these and Hedley's suggestions, you are operating more in the area of art than technology. Page balancing is always a compromise, but as with most print design, if it looks right, it probably is. You get an eye for it with time... sometimes quite a lot of time. I have not yet met a tech author who was also a trained graphic designer, although I expect such people do exist, and lucky they are. The rest of us have to muddle through picking up skills as we go along. It's part of the fun, I guess. HTH -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Fine tuning pagination
Linda G. Gallagher wrote: > Steve, > tracking to pull a hyphenated word back from a page foot> > > Negative tracking? > > Thanks! I can field this one, with some extra suggestions. In the Paragraph and Character Designers, you can use Spread to alter the spacing between letters, and Stretch to alter the width of the characters. In the Paragraph Designer, you can alter the spacing between words. You can use these as overrides to nudge the way your text flows from page to page. Start early in the flow and work forward. If you want to take up more pages, look for a paragraph where the last line is almost full, and then nudge the text in the paragraph until it goes to a new line. If you want fewer pages, look for a paragraph where the text flows to a new line by one or two short words, and then nudge the flow to take up one less line. THe "knock-on" effect for subsequent page breaks can be dramatic. Are you using balanced columns with feathering? If so, you can also adjust the interline and inter-paragraph padding. In this case, look for orphans and widows, and use the padding limits to nudge them forward or back. Properly used, these controls can be subtle. Don't abuse them or your page will start looking ugly. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Fine tuning pagination
Hedley, BTW, this is not a user guide. It's a technical book. More of my ignorance about to show. <@Slightly condense the body type -- not too much or the proportions of strokes will become ugly.> Using the word spacing options in the paragraph designer? <@Increase the depth of all pages. > Is this adjusting the text frame size on master pages? <@If that is insufficient, increase the depth of the double-spread by one line to pull the orphan back.It's considered bad form to have an overdepth page immediately next to an overleaf underdepth page, and vice versa. And facing pages that are different depths are unforgivable.> Is this adjusting the text frame size on body pages, but making sure facing pages are have the same text frame size? Thanks for all the tips. Just trying to understand the mechanics. ~ Linda G. Gallagher TechCom Plus, LLC lindag at techcomplus dot com www.techcomplus.com 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144 User guides, online help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher templates -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hedley Finger Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 11:07 PM To: Framers Self-Support Subject: Re: Fine tuning pagination Linda: Steve Rickaby quoted: >> I need to get the book to fit into an exact multiple of 16 pages. I've done >> >basic pagination control with my paragraph styles and with a page break >> >paragraph style, but this calls for greater fine tuning. >> > >> >I'd appreciate advice, tips, whatever, on how to fine tune pagination to >> >meet this need. >> Steve has given you some excellent advice. Some others you can do digitally are: @Change to a smaller body font *but* never ever try to reduce line spacing to fit more lines. Ideally the apparent white space between the baseline of one line and the x-line of the one below should be about double the x-height. @Slightly condense the body type -- not too much or the proportions of strokes will become ugly. @Increase the depth of all pages. Change to a double-column format as suggested by Steve. @Reduce the size of type in tables. @Reduce the size of all illustrations. When I was in publishing in the days of hot metal type and later cold type (type on photographic paper), we had a few other strategies to fit pages. @To deal with orphans (a short line at the top of the next page), first reduce the space above and below headings; in cold type terms, cut up the camera copy and move strips of paper around. (Also works for widows -- the first line of a paragraph at the foot of the page.) @If that is insufficient, increase the depth of the double-spread by one line to pull the orphan back. (Also works for widows to pull one line back so it's not lonely any more; alternatively, decrease the depth of the page by one line to push the widow over.) It's considered bad form to have an overdepth page immediately next to an overleaf underdepth page, and vice versa. And facing pages that are different depths are unforgivable. @If still in a jam, reduce the size of diagrams or illustrations, especially photographs, which may additionally be cropped. @In the last resort, remove some adjectives or other non-essential text (don't consult the author -- it's a user guide, not holy writ). @Return to and study the illustrations carefully. Are they comfort illustrations to simply reassure the reader that they have arrived at the right window or dialogue? If so, cut them. @Ask the printer if it is possible to print an 8-page section two-up, halving the print run. This (2 x 8 pp = 16pp) section can be slit on the folder, and then bound in with the 16 pp sections. @Finally, just accept a few blank pages at the end of the book. Can you put some house adverts for products or services on these pages? Regards, Hedley -- Hedley Finger 28 Regent Street Camberwell VIC 3124 Australia Tel. +61 3 9809 1229 Fax. (call phone first) Mob. (cell) +61 412 461 558 Email. "Hedley Finger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lindag%40techcomplus.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Fine tuning pagination
Steve, OK, I'm going to show my ignorance, but maybe I'm not the only one. Dumb questions follow. Do you mean to make the main text frame on a body page larger? Hmm, seems like that will look odd if pages have different size text frames. I do only have headers, so I don't have to worry about bumping into footers. Similarly, make the text frame on a body page larger? Negative tracking? Thanks! ~ Linda G. Gallagher TechCom Plus, LLC lindag at techcomplus dot com www.techcomplus.com 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144 User guides, online help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher templates -Original Message- From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 5:48 PM To: Linda G. Gallagher Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Fine tuning pagination At 15:41 -0600 21/4/08, Linda G. Gallagher wrote: >I'm working on a book for a commercial publishing house that prints in >16-page signatures. I've not done anything quite like this before. > >I need to get the book to fit into an exact multiple of 16 pages. I've done >basic pagination control with my paragraph styles and with a page break >paragraph style, but this calls for greater fine tuning. > >I'd appreciate advice, tips, whatever, on how to fine tune pagination to >meet this need. Two subjects: 1. Making pages beautiful 2. Making a book the required length. FrameMaker gives you a wide range of controls you can use to balance pages: Ensuring that book parts have the correct basic pagination, to trim to odd/even page count or whatever Widow/orphan control in the paragraph designer 'Keep with next' option in the paragraph designer Manually stretching the main page flow to take lines back Manually shrinking the main page flow to move lines forward Manually bouncing paras to the top of a new page/column Moving large objects like figures and tables around to maximize page occupancy Micro-control of text, for example adding small amounts of negative tracking to pull a hyphenated word back from a page foot The page shrink/stretch options are easier to use in a design that uses headers rather than footers. All the above can be used to beautify pages by minimizing widows and orphans, making sure that, say, the introductory sentence to a bullet list does not lie last on a recto page, and so on. These are all about making pages beautiful. At the end of the day, though, you might have to pad out the page count to get your total page count to a multiple of 16/32/whatever. It's not uncommon to find printed books with two or even four blanks at the end for this purpose. I have even had it suggested that chapters could start on a verso page, but I don't like it. In the case of grossly excessive page count, you might even have to resort to major design changes, like setting specific sections in multiple columns (it's happened to me). This sort of process should be done, of course, as absolutely the last thing after all text changes have been done. It is a serial process that starts at the beginning and works forward towards the end of a book because everything knocks on at least to the end of the current chapter/book part. You can do 98% of what you want with FrameMaker global controls, but you are almost always forced to 'break the rules' about local overrides to get the last 2% just right. Just live with it ;-) -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Long running headers
I've used tables in the header as well, in particular for the vertical alignment capability. But there are a few cautions: - the table row (cell) height automatically expanding may be an issue depending on the available space; you have to be sure your header content doesn't get cut if it grows (make sure the header frame is tall enough) - a table has to have an anchor paragraph in the header text frame that also adds vertical space; this can be overcome by setting BOTH the space below the anchor paragraph and the height above the table to the negative line spacing of the anchoring paragraph. E.g., if the paragraph line space value is 2 points, set the space below the para and space above the table to -2 points. OR you can play with the size and placement of the header frame to move it closer to the top paper edge. Or both On Tuesday, April 22, 2008 02:43 AM, Yves Barbion wrote: | Or you can use one header text frame and put a two-column table in it | for more design flexibility: | | - You can play with ruling and shading, for example to place your |headers/footers on a colored background. | - You can control the distance between both columns by playing |with the default cell margins. | - You can align your text vertically in the table cell. | - Your table cells will expand automatically as your header/footer |text becomes longer. | | Kind regards | | -- | Yves Barbion | Documentation Architect | Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor | Scripto | Belgium - Lester --- Lester C. Smalley Email: lsmalley AT infocon DOT com Information Consultants, Inc. Phone: 302-239-2942 FAX: 302-239-1712 Yorklyn, DE 19736 Web: www.infocon.com --- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Fine tuning pagination
This is what we do, we still space from Peter, give it to Paul. Scott White Media Production Manager Implementation Coordinator 210-704-8239 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Apr 22, 2008, at 8:08 AM, Jim Owens wrote: > You've already received many excellent suggestions for copy fitting, > most of them pertaining to text. If you have exhibits such as > illustrations and tables, you can also adjust the spacing above and > below the frames that hold them, and around the objects in them. > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/swhite%40alamark.com > > Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Long running headers
Hi Yves, My header consist of a running header/footer variable with heading2 in one column and the system and product name in the other column. In other books the system and product name is different and therefore I have to adjust the column width. I do not want the system/product name to break to a second line. I figure that there isn't a fully automatized solution without FrameScript. Michael Müller-Hillebrand suggested another interesting approach: o A text frame for the header. o 1 paragraph for the system/product name, pagination Run-In Head with Default Punctuation \sm\sm (to have a space between system/product name and running header/footer). o 1 paragraph for the running header/footer variable, right aligned. This paragraph will be automatically on the same line as the first and it breaks to the next if its length gets too long. That works automatically when the system/product name is on the left side of the header. However, when the system/product name is on the right side, the paragraph with the running header/footer on the left needs a right indentation of the length of the system/product name. That would have to be adjusted manually. Best regards Winfried From: Yves Barbion [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:57 AM To: Reng, Dr. Winfried Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Long running headers What exactly would you like to automate, Winfried? On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Reng, Dr. Winfried <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, I also use 2 column tables. However, do you know how to automate this? Part of my header is the product name, and its length varies in different books. Best regards Winfried > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of > Yves Barbion > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 8:43 AM > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: Long running headers > > Or you can use one header text frame and put a two-column > table in it for > more design flexibility: > >- You can play with ruling and shading, for example to place your >headers/footers on a colored background. >- You can control the distance between both columns by playing with >the default cell margins. >- You can align your text vertically in the table cell. >- Your table cells will expand automatically as your header/footer >text becomes longer. > > Kind regards > > -- > Yves Barbion > Documentation Architect > Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor > Scripto > Belgium > > On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Lester C. Smalley > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Another trick is to make TWO header text frames - one on > each side of > > the master page (tall enough for two lines of text), and two header > > paragraph format Header Left and Header Right, so I can > independently > > set font properties, justification, spacing, etc. for the different > > pieces of data I'm pulling in from the text. You can even > control the > > 'gutter' space between the two by sizing them appropriately. > > > > Makes it much easier to have truly Left and Right justified content > > automatically instead of fussing around with tab stops or indents. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Fine tuning pagination
You've already received many excellent suggestions for copy fitting, most of them pertaining to text. If you have exhibits such as illustrations and tables, you can also adjust the spacing above and below the frames that hold them, and around the objects in them. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FM's limit to number of search and replace operations query
Rob, You wrote: >I am in the final stages of a manuscript and trying to resolve matters like >spaces after colons and punctuation. I thought I knew all the tricks, but >when I do the Search and Replace with more than 3,500 operations in one >file, FM crashes. I would not have thought FM would have limits (thought in >fact it looped until it had done everything) so I am blaming myself. Small >1 to 3499 opeartions go well. > >running XP and FM7.2 with updates. Find/Change operations may cause a crash when there are many replacements (internal error: 8004, 8442924, 4906935, 4903184). For example, in chapter 2 of the sample Ecology book provided with FrameMaker, replace a space with a space (the same operation is successful in FrameMaker 7.2). Workaround: add the following line in the [Preferences] section in maker.ini (see issue #1555297 in FrameMaker 8.0's ReadMeFirst.html) ClearHistorySpecial=On After adding this entry, the History palette will be cleared when a global Find/Change action is executed, and the global Find/Change action cannot be undone. I encountered this with FM8.0 where the workaround is to add a ClearHistorySpecial=On entry to the make.ini file, after which the History palette is cleared when a global Find/Change action is executed. I did not encounter this in FM7.2, even when the number of replacements was much higher than 3500. How about using a number of Search/Replace actions (eg use separate search/replace actions in individual chapters and avoid book-wide searches, or apply separate actions to selected areas in a file)? [ See background information by Michael Mueller-Hillebrand at http://www.adobeforums.com/webx/[EMAIL PROTECTED]@.3c05a417/0 ] Shlomo Perets MicroType, http://www.microtype.com * ToolbarPlus Express for FrameMaker FrameMaker/Acrobat training & consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FM's limit to number of search and replace operations query
Hi Framers: I am in the final stages of a manuscript and trying to resolve matters like spaces after colons and punctuation. I thought I knew all the tricks, but when I do the Search and Replace with more than 3,500 operations in one file, FM crashes. I would not have thought FM would have limits (thought in fact it looped until it had done everything) so I am blaming myself. Small 1 to 3499 opeartions go well. running XP and FM7.2 with updates. Rob ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
OS X 10.4.11 -- can't import files from Word
At 14:20 -0600 21/4/08, Graeme R Forbes wrote: >In FM7 I find that the Japanese filter is still the best one, at >least for export to Word. Ok: good to know. But the key difference in the filter pack in FrameMaker 7 for Mac would seem to be the improvement in quality of the native Word import. -- Steve
Fine tuning pagination
At 15:41 -0600 21/4/08, Linda G. Gallagher wrote: >I'm working on a book for a commercial publishing house that prints in >16-page signatures. I've not done anything quite like this before. > >I need to get the book to fit into an exact multiple of 16 pages. I've done >basic pagination control with my paragraph styles and with a page break >paragraph style, but this calls for greater fine tuning. > >I'd appreciate advice, tips, whatever, on how to fine tune pagination to >meet this need. Two subjects: 1. Making pages beautiful 2. Making a book the required length. FrameMaker gives you a wide range of controls you can use to balance pages: . Ensuring that book parts have the correct basic pagination, to trim to odd/even page count or whatever . Widow/orphan control in the paragraph designer . 'Keep with next' option in the paragraph designer . Manually stretching the main page flow to take lines back . Manually shrinking the main page flow to move lines forward . Manually bouncing paras to the top of a new page/column . Moving large objects like figures and tables around to maximize page occupancy . Micro-control of text, for example adding small amounts of negative tracking to pull a hyphenated word back from a page foot The page shrink/stretch options are easier to use in a design that uses headers rather than footers. All the above can be used to beautify pages by minimizing widows and orphans, making sure that, say, the introductory sentence to a bullet list does not lie last on a recto page, and so on. These are all about making pages beautiful. At the end of the day, though, you might have to pad out the page count to get your total page count to a multiple of 16/32/whatever. It's not uncommon to find printed books with two or even four blanks at the end for this purpose. I have even had it suggested that chapters could start on a verso page, but I don't like it. In the case of grossly excessive page count, you might even have to resort to major design changes, like setting specific sections in multiple columns (it's happened to me). This sort of process should be done, of course, as absolutely the last thing after all text changes have been done. It is a serial process that starts at the beginning and works forward towards the end of a book because everything knocks on at least to the end of the current chapter/book part. You can do 98% of what you want with FrameMaker global controls, but you are almost always forced to 'break the rules' about local overrides to get the last 2% just right. Just live with it ;-) -- Steve
