Re: Conditional text insets

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Gary,

Here is an idea for solving this with a script. Each text inset has a 
Unique property, which acts as a serial number for the inset. This number 
remains constant, even after the inset is updated. You could follow a 
workflow similar to this.

1) Import and correctly conditionalize your insets.

2) Run a script that would loop through the insets and pick up its Unique 
value and the current condtion applied. This information would be stored in 
some kind of database.

3) After insets are updated, another script would be run that would lookup 
each text inset's Unique value in the database and retrieve the appropriate 
condition for that inset. The script would apply the proper condition to 
each text inset.

Of course, a script like this could be run on a single document, book, or an 
entire folder (and subfolders) of documents. It could be further automated 
so that the first script could be run automatically whenever the document is 
closed, and the second script could be run automatically when the script is 
opened (after the insets are updated). As usual, with FrameScript the sky is 
the limit.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com



- Original Message - 
From: Duncan, Gary [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 8:20 AM
Subject: Conditional text insets


 Hi everyone,



 We are trying to use text insets that get called into the chapter and
 then are conditionalized from within the container file. For example, if
 we want the content of an inset to appear only in Help, we give it a
 HelpOnly condition from within the container file. We do not want to
 conditionalize the text inset content itself because the condition may
 not be appropriate in other places we use the inset.



 This works fine until we revise the inset and it gets called back into
 the container file. The condition is lost. At first, it seemed like a
 bug. But after thinking about it, it makes sense that reimporting the
 text inset replaces everything associated with the previous version. The
 buggy thing is that Frame still indicates that the inset is conditional
 (in the lower left corner of the screen where the paragraph/flow info
 shows). The conditional dialog indicates that the inset is conditional,
 but does not indicate which condition. In the end, however, the
 information seems bogus because if you click on something else, then
 click back on the inset, the info is carried over from the previous text
 you clicked on.



 If the conditional info was truly held in Frame, I was hoping that a
 solution could be a script that scans for insets with associated
 conditions and update and apply the condition. Now, I am not so hopeful.



 Has anyone run into this and solved the problem?



 Thank you...



 Gary

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import only one

[Milan Davidovic]

I couldn't think of good terms for searching for this answer using
Google -- suggestions are welcome...

I'm in Frame 7.2 on Windows. When I want to import, say, one paragraph
format from another FrameMaker file into the one I'm working in, I go
File  Import  Formats and then select Paragraph Formats, importing
*all* the paragraph formats from that other file.

Is there a way (including scripts, plugins, etc.) of importing only
the one that I want?

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Re: import only one

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Milan,

Here is the low-tech way of doing it.

1) Make a copy of the from document.

2) Delete all of the paragraph formats except the one you want to import.

3) Import paragraph formats from the from document with the single 
paragraph format into your target document or book.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


I couldn't think of good terms for searching for this answer using
 Google -- suggestions are welcome...

 I'm in Frame 7.2 on Windows. When I want to import, say, one paragraph
 format from another FrameMaker file into the one I'm working in, I go
 File  Import  Formats and then select Paragraph Formats, importing
 *all* the paragraph formats from that other file.

 Is there a way (including scripts, plugins, etc.) of importing only
 the one that I want?

 -- 
 Milan Davidovic
 http://altmilan.blogspot.com
 http://stctorcomp.blogspot.com
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Re: import only one

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Hi Milan,
One of the files that come with FrameScript is ImportPgfFormats.fsl
which I use very much. With that you can choose which one or more of
PgfFormats you want to import.

Bodvar

On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Milan Davidovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I couldn't think of good terms for searching for this answer using
  Google -- suggestions are welcome...

  I'm in Frame 7.2 on Windows. When I want to import, say, one paragraph
  format from another FrameMaker file into the one I'm working in, I go
  File  Import  Formats and then select Paragraph Formats, importing
  *all* the paragraph formats from that other file.

  Is there a way (including scripts, plugins, etc.) of importing only
  the one that I want?

  --
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  http://altmilan.blogspot.com
  http://stctorcomp.blogspot.com
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Re: import only one

[Milan Davidovic]

On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Milan Davidovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Is there a way (including scripts, plugins, etc.) of importing only
  the one that I want?

Many good suggestions on and off list -- thanks to everyone who replied.

I've got two scenarios:

- the desired format does not exist in the current document.
- the desired format exists in name only in the current document (i.e.
the settings are wrong).

I think from the various answers I've gotten I can work out efficient
solutions for each. Thanks again.

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Re: how to take an element out of the flow

[Lynne A. Price]

Jakob,
1) To make the box around the insert element change size to match the 
content, make it a table.

2) You can automatically position the content at the bottom of the page 
with a table whose single row has a minimum row height equal to the height 
of the containing text frame and setting the vertical alignment to Bottom. 
Unfortunately, this approach precludes using table ruling to draw a box 
around the content.

3)  Consider using XSLT to move the isnert from the end of the document 
to the beginning on the way into FrameMaker and back to the end on the way out.

 --Lynne

At 03:50 PM 4/23/2008, Jakob Fix wrote:
I have a lot of XML files with the same structure which contain among
other things an element insertvariable amount of text here/insert
which comes as the last element of the document.  Each document
represents two or four pages of the final document.  The insert
element should appear inside a box on the bottom left corner of the
first page in the FrameMaker document.  Currently, we have to manually
move the element in between two paragraphs of the preceding text in
order to achieve the desired effect.

I am wondering if there wasn't a way to automatically do this when
importing the XML file?  Such as somehow moving it to a Flow B which
would be constituted by a rectangle in the bottom left corner of the
first page.  Or a text inset?  A drawback is that the text inside the
insert element is of variable length, so the box would need to be
able to grow or to shrink.

...I would be really grateful for any pointers on how we could (even
partially) automate this in some way or the other.  We're using 7.0 at
the moment, but considering a move to 8.x, probably even earlier if
the new version were to solve this problem :)


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Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, 
and training
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Re: Conditional text insets

[Stephen O'Brien]

Not sure I understand the problem. But I am 
interested because I use text insets (several 
hundred) and conditional text formats (twenty).

Let's say that Doc1 has a text inset Doc2 which 
has three conditional formats A, B, and C.

If in Doc1 I want to see only the content of Doc2 
that is flagged with condition C, I set show 
condition C in Doc1 and that's that. No problem.

The only time I had a problem with this is when I had the following case:

Doc1 has a text inset Doc2 with a text inset Doc 
3 (with conditional formats called A, B, and C). 
I set show condition C in Doc1 and it didn't 
work! The problem I believe was that the 
condition was not defined the same way in Doc2 so 
the specification didn't make it to Doc3. I 
deleted the condition in Doc2 and then the 
correct condition definition (created in Doc3) 
was imported into Doc2 and then Doc1. I wonder if this is clear..helps.

I don't understand how/why a script would be useful here.

I probably don't quite understand the problem.

Good luck.

At 08:20 AM 24/04/2008, Duncan, Gary wrote:
Hi everyone,



We are trying to use text insets that get called into the chapter and
then are conditionalized from within the container file. For example, if
we want the content of an inset to appear only in Help, we give it a
HelpOnly condition from within the container file. We do not want to
conditionalize the text inset content itself because the condition may
not be appropriate in other places we use the inset.



This works fine until we revise the inset and it gets called back into
the container file. The condition is lost. At first, it seemed like a
bug. But after thinking about it, it makes sense that reimporting the
text inset replaces everything associated with the previous version. The
buggy thing is that Frame still indicates that the inset is conditional
(in the lower left corner of the screen where the paragraph/flow info
shows). The conditional dialog indicates that the inset is conditional,
but does not indicate which condition. In the end, however, the
information seems bogus because if you click on something else, then
click back on the inset, the info is carried over from the previous text
you clicked on.



If the conditional info was truly held in Frame, I was hoping that a
solution could be a script that scans for insets with associated
conditions and update and apply the condition. Now, I am not so hopeful.



Has anyone run into this and solved the problem?



Thank you...



Gary

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RE: Conditional text insets

[Duncan, Gary]

Hi Stephen,

 

Another person on the list was confused, too. I probably should have mentioned 
that we are single-sourcing for Print and Help and are not conditionalizing the 
text inset content directly. The inset is clean, we call it in, 
conditionalize from within the container file. That works until the inset is 
updated (called back in). The inset and related condition info is replaced by 
the clean inset that is called back in. That is the basic dilemma.

 

Gary

 

 



From: Stephen O'Brien [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 3:12 PM
To: Duncan, Gary; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Conditional text insets

 

Not sure I understand the problem. But I am interested because I use text 
insets (several hundred) and conditional text formats (twenty).

Let's say that Doc1 has a text inset Doc2 which has three conditional formats 
A, B, and C.

If in Doc1 I want to see only the content of Doc2 that is flagged with 
condition C, I set show condition C in Doc1 and that's that. No problem.

The only time I had a problem with this is when I had the following case:

Doc1 has a text inset Doc2 with a text inset Doc 3 (with conditional formats 
called A, B, and C). I set show condition C in Doc1 and it didn't work! The 
problem I believe was that the condition was not defined the same way in Doc2 
so the specification didn't make it to Doc3. I deleted the condition in Doc2 
and then the correct condition definition (created in Doc3) was imported into 
Doc2 and then Doc1. I wonder if this is clear..helps.

I don't understand how/why a script would be useful here.

I probably don't quite understand the problem.

Good luck.

At 08:20 AM 24/04/2008, Duncan, Gary wrote:



Hi everyone,

 

We are trying to use text insets that get called into the chapter and
then are conditionalized from within the container file. For example, if
we want the content of an inset to appear only in Help, we give it a
HelpOnly condition from within the container file. We do not want to
conditionalize the text inset content itself because the condition may
not be appropriate in other places we use the inset.

 

This works fine until we revise the inset and it gets called back into
the container file. The condition is lost. At first, it seemed like a
bug. But after thinking about it, it makes sense that reimporting the
text inset replaces everything associated with the previous version. The
buggy thing is that Frame still indicates that the inset is conditional
(in the lower left corner of the screen where the paragraph/flow info
shows). The conditional dialog indicates that the inset is conditional,
but does not indicate which condition. In the end, however, the
information seems bogus because if you click on something else, then
click back on the inset, the info is carried over from the previous text
you clicked on.

 

If the conditional info was truly held in Frame, I was hoping that a
solution could be a script that scans for insets with associated
conditions and update and apply the condition. Now, I am not so hopeful.

 

Has anyone run into this and solved the problem?

 

Thank you...

 

Gary

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OT: In Praise of Framers and QuickBooks Pro 2008

[Rick Quatro]

Hello Framers,

First of all, I want to thank all of you Framers who generously answer my 
off-topic posts. I have received some great suggestions and guidance on many 
topics over the years. Framers are smart! Now on to my latest OT post.

I am getting ready to incorporate my business and my accountant recommended 
QuickBooks Pro 2008. I was getting ready to buy it, but I am a little 
spooked by the negative reviews on Amazon and elsewhere. Does anyone here 
have any feedback on it?

Also, are there any Intuit folks on the list? I would be willing to barter 
some FrameScript work for a legal copy of QuickBooks Pro 2008. Thank you 
very much.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
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www.frameexpert.com

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RE: In Praise of Framers and QuickBooks Pro 2008

[Owen, Clint]

My wife uses QB Pro in her (very) small business. It's probably a great
product for your accountant to use, but we find it fiendishly
non-intuitive. Once you manage to mess something up, like importing
external data into an account, it's almost impossible to un-mess it.

Clint


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Crane Aerospace  Electronics 
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Hello Framers,

First of all, I want to thank all of you Framers who generously answer
my off-topic posts. I have received some great suggestions and guidance
on many topics over the years. Framers are smart! Now on to my latest OT
post.

I am getting ready to incorporate my business and my accountant
recommended QuickBooks Pro 2008. I was getting ready to buy it, but I am
a little spooked by the negative reviews on Amazon and elsewhere. Does
anyone here have any feedback on it?

Also, are there any Intuit folks on the list? I would be willing to
barter some FrameScript work for a legal copy of QuickBooks Pro 2008.
Thank you very much.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com

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RE: In Praise of Framers and QuickBooks Pro 2008

[Combs, Richard]

Rick Quatro wrote:
 
 I am getting ready to incorporate my business and my 
 accountant recommended QuickBooks Pro 2008. I was getting 
 ready to buy it, but I am a little spooked by the negative 
 reviews on Amazon and elsewhere. Does anyone here have any 
 feedback on it?

I think accountants would like nothing better than to have every one of
their clients using QuickBooks. They know it, their software works with
its files, and life is easier for them. QuickBooks is the accepted
standard -- the MS Word of business bookkeeping software (make of that
comparison what you will g). 

IMHO, it's way overkill for the very small business and, as Clint noted,
can be rather non-intuitive for someone with limited knowledge of
accounting and bookkeeping. But I don't know what to suggest as a
simpler alternative. Some version of Quicken or MS Money may be able to
handle an S corporation (if that's the route you're going), but I'm not
sure; the low-end versions I've played with could only handle sole
proprietorships. 

About 12 or 13 years ago, Quicken/Intuit bought Parsons Technology,
which made the bookkeeping software I was using, MoneyCounts Business (a
DOS-based program, for those who remember that). 

I was notified that MoneyCounts was going away and given an attractive
upgrade deal for QuickBooks. I bit. But after spending some time with
QuickBooks and seeing how much less user-friendly it was than
MoneyCounts (without adding much functionality to compensate), I decided
not to switch. I'm still using my 1994 version of MoneyCounts today,
running it on an ancient Win98 box. 

And here's the kicker: In 1999, Quicken notified me that my version of
QuickBooks wasn't Y2K compliant and would simply stop working at the end
of the year. My 1994 version of MoneyCounts had no problem at all with
Y2K. 

Happy weekend!

Richard 


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RE: In Praise of Framers and QuickBooks Pro 2008

[Syed.Hosain]

One other possibility to think about (it is not Intuit) ... Microsoft
has a freebie available that may fit the need: Microsoft Accounting
Express 2008.

Check out the info here:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/accountingexpress/FX101729681033.aspx.
This is designed for small businesses.

Finally, The Price Is Right for this software. :)

Z

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 Subject: OT: In Praise of Framers and QuickBooks Pro 2008
 
 Hello Framers,
 
 First of all, I want to thank all of you Framers who generously answer
my
 off-topic posts. I have received some great suggestions and guidance
on many
 topics over the years. Framers are smart! Now on to my latest OT post.
 
 I am getting ready to incorporate my business and my accountant
recommended
 QuickBooks Pro 2008. I was getting ready to buy it, but I am a little
 spooked by the negative reviews on Amazon and elsewhere. Does anyone
here
 have any feedback on it?
 
 Also, are there any Intuit folks on the list? I would be willing to
barter
 some FrameScript work for a legal copy of QuickBooks Pro 2008. Thank
you
 very much.
 
 Rick Quatro
 Carmen Publishing
 585-659-8267
 www.frameexpert.com
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RE: In Praise of Framers and QuickBooks Pro 2008

[John Hedtke]

I write accounting software reviews for Accounting Technology 
magazine this time every year.  (This year's covered several 
different versions of Peachtree, MS Office Accounting Professional, 
QB Pro and QB Premier, MYOB, and Simply Accounting.)  MS Office 
Accounting Express is definitely free and may be adequate for simple 
bookkeeping at the level Rick may need.  It tends to like using MS 
Office 2007, but that's not an absolute essential as I recall.

Yours truly,

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At 04:01 PM 4/25/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One other possibility to think about (it is not Intuit) ... Microsoft
has a freebie available that may fit the need: Microsoft Accounting
Express 2008.

Check out the info here:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/accountingexpress/FX101729681033.aspx.
This is designed for small businesses.

Finally, The Price Is Right for this software. :)

Z

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  Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 2:05 PM
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  Subject: OT: In Praise of Framers and QuickBooks Pro 2008
 
  Hello Framers,
 
  First of all, I want to thank all of you Framers who generously answer
my
  off-topic posts. I have received some great suggestions and guidance
on many
  topics over the years. Framers are smart! Now on to my latest OT post.
 
  I am getting ready to incorporate my business and my accountant
recommended
  QuickBooks Pro 2008. I was getting ready to buy it, but I am a little
  spooked by the negative reviews on Amazon and elsewhere. Does anyone
here
  have any feedback on it?
 
  Also, are there any Intuit folks on the list? I would be willing to
barter
  some FrameScript work for a legal copy of QuickBooks Pro 2008. Thank
you
  very much.
 
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[Yves Barbion]

Hi Kelly,

There is an AIR_Help group on Yahoo:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/AIR_Help/?v=1=search=web=groups=group=1

You may want to post your question there to get a better response.

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>
> Anyone packaging AIR apps? I have a font issue question. Pls contact me
> at off list...tnx, Kelly.
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Conditional text insets

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Gary,

Here is an idea for solving this with a script. Each text inset has a 
"Unique" property, which acts as a serial number for the inset. This number 
remains constant, even after the inset is updated. You could follow a 
workflow similar to this.

1) Import and correctly conditionalize your insets.

2) Run a script that would loop through the insets and pick up its Unique 
value and the current condtion applied. This information would be stored in 
some kind of "database."

3) After insets are updated, another script would be run that would "lookup" 
each text inset's Unique value in the database and retrieve the appropriate 
condition for that inset. The script would apply the proper condition to 
each text inset.

Of course, a script like this could be run on a single document, book, or an 
entire folder (and subfolders) of documents. It could be further automated 
so that the first script could be run automatically whenever the document is 
closed, and the second script could be run automatically when the script is 
opened (after the insets are updated). As usual, with FrameScript the sky is 
the limit.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com



- Original Message - 
From: "Duncan, Gary" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 8:20 AM
Subject: Conditional text insets


> Hi everyone,
>
>
>
> We are trying to use text insets that get called into the chapter and
> then are conditionalized from within the container file. For example, if
> we want the content of an inset to appear only in Help, we give it a
> HelpOnly condition from within the container file. We do not want to
> conditionalize the text inset content itself because the condition may
> not be appropriate in other places we use the inset.
>
>
>
> This works fine until we revise the inset and it gets called back into
> the container file. The condition is lost. At first, it seemed like a
> bug. But after thinking about it, it makes sense that reimporting the
> text inset replaces everything associated with the previous version. The
> buggy thing is that Frame still indicates that the inset is conditional
> (in the lower left corner of the screen where the paragraph/flow info
> shows). The conditional dialog indicates that the inset is conditional,
> but does not indicate which condition. In the end, however, the
> information seems bogus because if you click on something else, then
> click back on the inset, the info is carried over from the previous text
> you clicked on.
>
>
>
> If the conditional info was truly held in Frame, I was hoping that a
> solution could be a script that scans for insets with associated
> conditions and update and apply the condition. Now, I am not so hopeful.
>
>
>
> Has anyone run into this and solved the problem?
>
>
>
> Thank you...
>
>
>
> Gary
>
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import only one

[Milan Davidovic]

I couldn't think of good terms for searching for this answer using
Google -- suggestions are welcome...

I'm in Frame 7.2 on Windows. When I want to import, say, one paragraph
format from another FrameMaker file into the one I'm working in, I go
File > Import > Formats and then select Paragraph Formats, importing
*all* the paragraph formats from that other file.

Is there a way (including scripts, plugins, etc.) of importing only
the one that I want?

-- 
Milan Davidovic
http://altmilan.blogspot.com
http://stctorcomp.blogspot.com

import only one

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Milan,

Here is the low-tech way of doing it.

1) Make a copy of the "from" document.

2) Delete all of the paragraph formats except the one you want to import.

3) Import paragraph formats from the "from" document with the single 
paragraph format into your target document or book.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com


>I couldn't think of good terms for searching for this answer using
> Google -- suggestions are welcome...
>
> I'm in Frame 7.2 on Windows. When I want to import, say, one paragraph
> format from another FrameMaker file into the one I'm working in, I go
> File > Import > Formats and then select Paragraph Formats, importing
> *all* the paragraph formats from that other file.
>
> Is there a way (including scripts, plugins, etc.) of importing only
> the one that I want?
>
> -- 
> Milan Davidovic
> http://altmilan.blogspot.com
> http://stctorcomp.blogspot.com
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import only one

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Hi Milan,
One of the files that come with FrameScript is "ImportPgfFormats.fsl"
which I use very much. With that you can choose which one or more of
PgfFormats you want to import.

Bodvar

On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Milan Davidovic  
wrote:
> I couldn't think of good terms for searching for this answer using
>  Google -- suggestions are welcome...
>
>  I'm in Frame 7.2 on Windows. When I want to import, say, one paragraph
>  format from another FrameMaker file into the one I'm working in, I go
>  File > Import > Formats and then select Paragraph Formats, importing
>  *all* the paragraph formats from that other file.
>
>  Is there a way (including scripts, plugins, etc.) of importing only
>  the one that I want?
>
>  --
>  Milan Davidovic
>  http://altmilan.blogspot.com
>  http://stctorcomp.blogspot.com
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import only one

[Milan Davidovic]

On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Milan Davidovic  
wrote:
>  Is there a way (including scripts, plugins, etc.) of importing only
>  the one that I want?

Many good suggestions on and off list -- thanks to everyone who replied.

I've got two scenarios:

- the desired format does not exist in the current document.
- the desired format exists in name only in the current document (i.e.
the settings are wrong).

I think from the various answers I've gotten I can work out efficient
solutions for each. Thanks again.

-- 
Milan Davidovic
http://altmilan.blogspot.com
http://stctorcomp.blogspot.com

how to take an element out of the flow

[Lynne A. Price]

Jakob,
1) To make the box around the  element change size to match the 
content, make it a table.

2) You can automatically position the content at the bottom of the page 
with a table whose single row has a minimum row height equal to the height 
of the containing text frame and setting the vertical alignment to Bottom. 
Unfortunately, this approach precludes using table ruling to draw a box 
around the content.

3)  Consider using XSLT to move the  from the end of the document 
to the beginning on the way into FrameMaker and back to the end on the way out.

 --Lynne

At 03:50 PM 4/23/2008, Jakob Fix wrote:
>I have a lot of XML files with the same structure which contain among
>other things an element variable amount of text here
>which comes as the last element of the document.  Each document
>represents two or four pages of the final document.  The 
>element should appear inside a box on the bottom left corner of the
>first page in the FrameMaker document.  Currently, we have to manually
>move the element in between two paragraphs of the preceding text in
>order to achieve the desired effect.
>
>I am wondering if there wasn't a way to automatically do this when
>importing the XML file?  Such as somehow moving it to a Flow B which
>would be constituted by a rectangle in the bottom left corner of the
>first page.  Or a text inset?  A drawback is that the text inside the
> element is of variable length, so the box would need to be
>able to grow or to shrink.
>
>...I would be really grateful for any pointers on how we could (even
>partially) automate this in some way or the other.  We're using 7.0 at
>the moment, but considering a move to 8.x, probably even earlier if
>the new version were to solve this problem :)


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Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, 
and training
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voice/fax: (510) 583-1505  cell phone: (510) 421-2284 

Conditional text insets

[Stephen O'Brien]

Not sure I understand the problem. But I am 
interested because I use text insets (several 
hundred) and conditional text formats (twenty).

Let's say that Doc1 has a text inset Doc2 which 
has three conditional formats A, B, and C.

If in Doc1 I want to see only the content of Doc2 
that is flagged with condition C, I set show 
condition C in Doc1 and that's that. No problem.

The only time I had a problem with this is when I had the following case:

Doc1 has a text inset Doc2 with a text inset Doc 
3 (with conditional formats called A, B, and C). 
I set show condition C in Doc1 and it didn't 
work! The problem I believe was that the 
condition was not defined the same way in Doc2 so 
the specification didn't make it to Doc3. I 
deleted the condition in Doc2 and then the 
correct condition definition (created in Doc3) 
was imported into Doc2 and then Doc1. I wonder if this is clear..helps.

I don't understand how/why a script would be useful here.

I probably don't quite understand the problem.

Good luck.

At 08:20 AM 24/04/2008, Duncan, Gary wrote:
>Hi everyone,
>
>
>
>We are trying to use text insets that get called into the chapter and
>then are conditionalized from within the container file. For example, if
>we want the content of an inset to appear only in Help, we give it a
>HelpOnly condition from within the container file. We do not want to
>conditionalize the text inset content itself because the condition may
>not be appropriate in other places we use the inset.
>
>
>
>This works fine until we revise the inset and it gets called back into
>the container file. The condition is lost. At first, it seemed like a
>bug. But after thinking about it, it makes sense that reimporting the
>text inset replaces everything associated with the previous version. The
>buggy thing is that Frame still indicates that the inset is conditional
>(in the lower left corner of the screen where the paragraph/flow info
>shows). The conditional dialog indicates that the inset is conditional,
>but does not indicate which condition. In the end, however, the
>information seems bogus because if you click on something else, then
>click back on the inset, the info is carried over from the previous text
>you clicked on.
>
>
>
>If the conditional info was truly held in Frame, I was hoping that a
>solution could be a script that scans for insets with associated
>conditions and update and apply the condition. Now, I am not so hopeful.
>
>
>
>Has anyone run into this and solved the problem?
>
>
>
>Thank you...
>
>
>
>Gary
>
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Conditional text insets

[Duncan, Gary]

Hi Stephen,



Another person on the list was confused, too. I probably should have mentioned 
that we are single-sourcing for Print and Help and are not conditionalizing the 
text inset content directly. The inset is "clean," we call it in, 
conditionalize from within the container file. That works until the inset is 
updated (called back in). The inset and related condition info is replaced by 
the clean inset that is called back in. That is the basic dilemma.



Gary







From: Stephen O'Brien [mailto:sobr...@innovmetric.com] 
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 3:12 PM
To: Duncan, Gary; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Conditional text insets



Not sure I understand the problem. But I am interested because I use text 
insets (several hundred) and conditional text formats (twenty).

Let's say that Doc1 has a text inset Doc2 which has three conditional formats 
A, B, and C.

If in Doc1 I want to see only the content of Doc2 that is flagged with 
condition C, I set show condition C in Doc1 and that's that. No problem.

The only time I had a problem with this is when I had the following case:

Doc1 has a text inset Doc2 with a text inset Doc 3 (with conditional formats 
called A, B, and C). I set show condition C in Doc1 and it didn't work! The 
problem I believe was that the condition was not defined the same way in Doc2 
so the specification didn't make it to Doc3. I deleted the condition in Doc2 
and then the correct condition definition (created in Doc3) was imported into 
Doc2 and then Doc1. I wonder if this is clear..helps.

I don't understand how/why a script would be useful here.

I probably don't quite understand the problem.

Good luck.

At 08:20 AM 24/04/2008, Duncan, Gary wrote:



Hi everyone,



We are trying to use text insets that get called into the chapter and
then are conditionalized from within the container file. For example, if
we want the content of an inset to appear only in Help, we give it a
HelpOnly condition from within the container file. We do not want to
conditionalize the text inset content itself because the condition may
not be appropriate in other places we use the inset.



This works fine until we revise the inset and it gets called back into
the container file. The condition is lost. At first, it seemed like a
bug. But after thinking about it, it makes sense that reimporting the
text inset replaces everything associated with the previous version. The
buggy thing is that Frame still indicates that the inset is conditional
(in the lower left corner of the screen where the paragraph/flow info
shows). The conditional dialog indicates that the inset is conditional,
but does not indicate which condition. In the end, however, the
information seems bogus because if you click on something else, then
click back on the inset, the info is carried over from the previous text
you clicked on.



If the conditional info was truly held in Frame, I was hoping that a
solution could be a script that scans for insets with associated
conditions and update and apply the condition. Now, I am not so hopeful.



Has anyone run into this and solved the problem?



Thank you...



Gary

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Standard to SGMG generated files

[Lynne A. Price]

Les,
   Even when they are extracted from a structured document or book, 
FrameMaker generated files are still unstructured documents. You can set up 
the TOC, LOT, and LOF to extract information from specified elements rather 
than from paragraphs with specified formats. However, the formatting of the 
generated files themselves will still be based on paragraph formats.
   If you need to store the generated files in SGML, you can use a 
conversion table to derive an element structure from the paragraph formats. 
For use within FrameMaker, however, leaving them unstructured is fine.
 --Lynne


At 01:07 PM 4/24/2008, Harold Winberg wrote:
>We are converting our FM manuals from standard to SGML.
>
>In the standard manuals we used para tags to generate TOC, LOT, LOF and
>index.
>
>
>We have an EDD that uses FormatChangeList.
>
>
>Is there a plug-in or good method to create these formerly para tag
>generated files?


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Text Structure Consulting, Inc.
Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, 
and training
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voice/fax: (510) 583-1505  cell phone: (510) 421-2284 

Conditional text insets

[Combs, Richard]

Duncan, Gary wrote: 

> Another person on the list was confused, too. I probably 
> should have mentioned that we are single-sourcing for Print 
> and Help and are not conditionalizing the text inset content 
> directly. The inset is "clean," we call it in, conditionalize 
> from within the container file. That works until the inset is 
> updated (called back in). The inset and related condition 
> info is replaced by the clean inset that is called back in. 
> That is the basic dilemma.

I think Stephen was saying that he -- like me -- doesn't understand why
you insist on a "clean" text inset source (no conditions). It seems to
me that, given the right set of conditions, you can do everything you
need to do by applying the conditions to the text inset source and then
using each container doc's Show Conditions settings to control what
appears. 

Granted, you have to think things out properly. For versions prior to 8,
FM supports only a logical OR relationship (text appears if it has _any_
of the shown conditions applied). So in addition to conditions like
ProductX, ProductY, HelpOnly, and PrintOnly, you need a specific
condition for each AND relationship you need to produce -- say,
ProductXHelpOnly and ProductXPrintOnly. 

But it's eminently doable. People have been managing multiple conditions
in text insets this way for many years, and the functionality is
rock-solid. 

Richard


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Conditional text insets

[Stephen O'Brien]

Now I see.

That is FrameMaker's normal behavior...so the need for scripting...

If I understand you have 50 text insets...with 30 
with one conditional tag and 20 with 
anotherwhen you update the text insets the 
conditional format on their marker disappears...

Sounds like a job for a different book for each need...

Couldn't each text inset become a document in a 
book and then by controlling the numbering the 
first 10 text insets are numbered like section 1, 
the next ten become numbered as section 2, etc...

No conditional notions here...

Does that help?


At 03:19 PM 25/04/2008, Duncan, Gary wrote:
>Hi Stephen,
>
>Another person on the list was confused, too. I 
>probably should have mentioned that we are 
>single-sourcing for Print and Help and are not 
>conditionalizing the text inset content 
>directly. The inset is ?clean,? we call it in, 
>conditionalize from within the container file. 
>That works until the inset is updated (called 
>back in). The inset and related condition info 
>is replaced by the clean inset that is called 
>back in. That is the basic dilemma.
>
>Gary
>
>
>
>--
>From: Stephen O'Brien [mailto:sobrien at innovmetric.com]
>Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 3:12 PM
>To: Duncan, Gary; framers at lists.frameusers.com
>Subject: Re: Conditional text insets
>
>Not sure I understand the problem. But I am 
>interested because I use text insets (several 
>hundred) and conditional text formats (twenty).
>
>Let's say that Doc1 has a text inset Doc2 which 
>has three conditional formats A, B, and C.
>
>If in Doc1 I want to see only the content of 
>Doc2 that is flagged with condition C, I set 
>show condition C in Doc1 and that's that. No problem.
>
>The only time I had a problem with this is when I had the following case:
>
>Doc1 has a text inset Doc2 with a text inset Doc 
>3 (with conditional formats called A, B, and C). 
>I set show condition C in Doc1 and it didn't 
>work! The problem I believe was that the 
>condition was not defined the same way in Doc2 
>so the specification didn't make it to Doc3. I 
>deleted the condition in Doc2 and then the 
>correct condition definition (created in Doc3) 
>was imported into Doc2 and then Doc1. I wonder if this is clear..helps.
>
>I don't understand how/why a script would be useful here.
>
>I probably don't quite understand the problem.
>
>Good luck.
>
>At 08:20 AM 24/04/2008, Duncan, Gary wrote:
>
>Hi everyone,
>
>
>
>We are trying to use text insets that get called into the chapter and
>then are conditionalized from within the container file. For example, if
>we want the content of an inset to appear only in Help, we give it a
>HelpOnly condition from within the container file. We do not want to
>conditionalize the text inset content itself because the condition may
>not be appropriate in other places we use the inset.
>
>
>
>This works fine until we revise the inset and it gets called back into
>the container file. The condition is lost. At first, it seemed like a
>bug. But after thinking about it, it makes sense that reimporting the
>text inset replaces everything associated with the previous version. The
>buggy thing is that Frame still indicates that the inset is conditional
>(in the lower left corner of the screen where the paragraph/flow info
>shows). The conditional dialog indicates that the inset is conditional,
>but does not indicate which condition. In the end, however, the
>information seems bogus because if you click on something else, then
>click back on the inset, the info is carried over from the previous text
>you clicked on.
>
>
>
>If the conditional info was truly held in Frame, I was hoping that a
>solution could be a script that scans for insets with associated
>conditions and update and apply the condition. Now, I am not so hopeful.
>
>
>
>Has anyone run into this and solved the problem?
>
>
>
>Thank you...
>
>
>
>Gary
>
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>
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OT: In Praise of Framers and QuickBooks Pro 2008

[Rick Quatro]

Hello Framers,

First of all, I want to thank all of you Framers who generously answer my 
off-topic posts. I have received some great suggestions and guidance on many 
topics over the years. Framers are smart! Now on to my latest OT post.

I am getting ready to incorporate my business and my accountant recommended 
QuickBooks Pro 2008. I was getting ready to buy it, but I am a little 
spooked by the negative reviews on Amazon and elsewhere. Does anyone here 
have any feedback on it?

Also, are there any Intuit folks on the list? I would be willing to barter 
some FrameScript work for a legal copy of QuickBooks Pro 2008. Thank you 
very much.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com

In Praise of Framers and QuickBooks Pro 2008

[Owen, Clint]

My wife uses QB Pro in her (very) small business. It's probably a great
product for your accountant to use, but we find it fiendishly
non-intuitive. Once you manage to mess something up, like importing
external data into an account, it's almost impossible to un-mess it.

Clint


Clint Owen 
Technical Publications
Crane Aerospace & Electronics 
425-743-8674


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Hello Framers,

First of all, I want to thank all of you Framers who generously answer
my off-topic posts. I have received some great suggestions and guidance
on many topics over the years. Framers are smart! Now on to my latest OT
post.

I am getting ready to incorporate my business and my accountant
recommended QuickBooks Pro 2008. I was getting ready to buy it, but I am
a little spooked by the negative reviews on Amazon and elsewhere. Does
anyone here have any feedback on it?

Also, are there any Intuit folks on the list? I would be willing to
barter some FrameScript work for a legal copy of QuickBooks Pro 2008.
Thank you very much.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com

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In Praise of Framers and QuickBooks Pro 2008

[Combs, Richard]

Rick Quatro wrote:

> I am getting ready to incorporate my business and my 
> accountant recommended QuickBooks Pro 2008. I was getting 
> ready to buy it, but I am a little spooked by the negative 
> reviews on Amazon and elsewhere. Does anyone here have any 
> feedback on it?

I think accountants would like nothing better than to have every one of
their clients using QuickBooks. They know it, their software works with
its files, and life is easier for them. QuickBooks is the "accepted
standard" -- the MS Word of business bookkeeping software (make of that
comparison what you will ). 

IMHO, it's way overkill for the very small business and, as Clint noted,
can be rather non-intuitive for someone with limited knowledge of
accounting and bookkeeping. But I don't know what to suggest as a
simpler alternative. Some version of Quicken or MS Money may be able to
handle an S corporation (if that's the route you're going), but I'm not
sure; the low-end versions I've played with could only handle sole
proprietorships. 

About 12 or 13 years ago, Quicken/Intuit bought Parsons Technology,
which made the bookkeeping software I was using, MoneyCounts Business (a
DOS-based program, for those who remember that). 

I was notified that MoneyCounts was going away and given an attractive
upgrade deal for QuickBooks. I bit. But after spending some time with
QuickBooks and seeing how much less user-friendly it was than
MoneyCounts (without adding much functionality to compensate), I decided
not to switch. I'm still using my 1994 version of MoneyCounts today,
running it on an ancient Win98 box. 

And here's the kicker: In 1999, Quicken notified me that my version of
QuickBooks wasn't Y2K compliant and would simply stop working at the end
of the year. My 1994 version of MoneyCounts had no problem at all with
Y2K. 

Happy weekend!

Richard 


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In Praise of Framers and QuickBooks Pro 2008

[syed.hos...@aeris.net]

One other possibility to think about (it is not Intuit) ... Microsoft
has a freebie available that may fit the need: Microsoft Accounting
Express 2008.

Check out the info here:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/accountingexpress/FX101729681033.aspx.
This is designed for small businesses.

Finally, "The Price Is Right" for this software. :)

Z

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
> Rick Quatro
> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 2:05 PM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; framers at omsys.com
> Subject: OT: In Praise of Framers and QuickBooks Pro 2008
> 
> Hello Framers,
> 
> First of all, I want to thank all of you Framers who generously answer
my
> off-topic posts. I have received some great suggestions and guidance
on many
> topics over the years. Framers are smart! Now on to my latest OT post.
> 
> I am getting ready to incorporate my business and my accountant
recommended
> QuickBooks Pro 2008. I was getting ready to buy it, but I am a little
> spooked by the negative reviews on Amazon and elsewhere. Does anyone
here
> have any feedback on it?
> 
> Also, are there any Intuit folks on the list? I would be willing to
barter
> some FrameScript work for a legal copy of QuickBooks Pro 2008. Thank
you
> very much.
> 
> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing
> 585-659-8267
> www.frameexpert.com

In Praise of Framers and QuickBooks Pro 2008

[John Hedtke]

I write accounting software reviews for Accounting Technology 
magazine this time every year.  (This year's covered several 
different versions of Peachtree, MS Office Accounting Professional, 
QB Pro and QB Premier, MYOB, and Simply Accounting.)  MS Office 
Accounting Express is definitely free and may be adequate for simple 
bookkeeping at the level Rick may need.  It tends to like using MS 
Office 2007, but that's not an absolute essential as I recall.

Yours truly,

John Hedtke
Author/Consultant/Contract Writer
www.hedtke.com <-- website
Region 7 Director, STC
541-685-5000 (office landline)
541-554-2189 (cell)
john at hedtke.com (primary email)
johnhedtke at aol.com (secondary email)



At 04:01 PM 4/25/2008, Syed.Hosain at aeris.net wrote:
>One other possibility to think about (it is not Intuit) ... Microsoft
>has a freebie available that may fit the need: Microsoft Accounting
>Express 2008.
>
>Check out the info here:
>http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/accountingexpress/FX101729681033.aspx.
>This is designed for small businesses.
>
>Finally, "The Price Is Right" for this software. :)
>
>Z
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
>[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
> > Rick Quatro
> > Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 2:05 PM
> > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; framers at omsys.com
> > Subject: OT: In Praise of Framers and QuickBooks Pro 2008
> >
> > Hello Framers,
> >
> > First of all, I want to thank all of you Framers who generously answer
>my
> > off-topic posts. I have received some great suggestions and guidance
>on many
> > topics over the years. Framers are smart! Now on to my latest OT post.
> >
> > I am getting ready to incorporate my business and my accountant
>recommended
> > QuickBooks Pro 2008. I was getting ready to buy it, but I am a little
> > spooked by the negative reviews on Amazon and elsewhere. Does anyone
>here
> > have any feedback on it?
> >
> > Also, are there any Intuit folks on the list? I would be willing to
>barter
> > some FrameScript work for a legal copy of QuickBooks Pro 2008. Thank
>you
> > very much.
> >
> > Rick Quatro
> > Carmen Publishing
> > 585-659-8267
> > www.frameexpert.com
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Conditional text insets

[Tammy Van Boening]

As long as your text insets and container files have exactly the same 
conditional text options, when you pull in a text inset into a container file, 
this text inset inherits the conditional text setting of the container file. 
For example, let's say in a container file, you have Condition and Condition B, 
and you elect to show Condition A, but not Condition B. If you pull in a text 
inset that is unconditional, then it will always show. If you pull in a text 
inset that also has the conditions and you have elected show Condition A in the 
text inset, then when you pull in the text inset, it will show in the container 
file. If you have elected to show Condition B in the inset, then when you pull 
in the text inset, it will NOT show up in the container file, because the 
container file is set to show condition A. To get the text inset to show in the 
container file, you need to set the container file to show Condition B.

I do this set up all the time with hundreds and hundreds of text insets and 
many container files without any scripts. Let's say that I know that a text 
inset is about 90% the same when used between two container files, but 5% is 
needed only for Container file A and the other 5% is needed for only Container 
file B. I make sure that both container files have the conditions ContainerA 
and ContainerB. In the text inset, which must have the same conditions, I apply 
the condition of ContainerA to the text that I only want to show up in the 
Container A file. I apply the condition of ContainerB to the text that I only 
want to show up in the Container B file. Then, I make sure that in the 
Container A file, that the ContainerA condition is set to show and that the 
ContainerB condition is set to hide, then when I pull in the text inset, only 
the text marked for Container A show. (and obviously, just flip this scenario 
for Container B).

The trick is to conditionalize your inset (all or part) BEFORE you pull it into 
the container file and make sure that container file and text inset have the 
EXACT same conditional text options. The text inset then inherits the settings 
of the container file. 

HTH,

TVB

-Original Message-
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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Stephen O'Brien
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 1:12 PM
To: Duncan, Gary; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Conditional text insets

Not sure I understand the problem. But I am interested because I use text 
insets (several
hundred) and conditional text formats (twenty).

Let's say that Doc1 has a text inset Doc2 which has three conditional formats 
A, B, and C.

If in Doc1 I want to see only the content of Doc2 that is flagged with 
condition C, I set show condition C in Doc1 and that's that. No problem.

The only time I had a problem with this is when I had the following case:

Doc1 has a text inset Doc2 with a text inset Doc
3 (with conditional formats called A, B, and C). 
I set show condition C in Doc1 and it didn't work! The problem I believe was 
that the condition was not defined the same way in Doc2 so the specification 
didn't make it to Doc3. I deleted the condition in Doc2 and then the correct 
condition definition (created in Doc3) was imported into Doc2 and then Doc1. I 
wonder if this is clear..helps.

I don't understand how/why a script would be useful here.

I probably don't quite understand the problem.

Good luck.

At 08:20 AM 24/04/2008, Duncan, Gary wrote:
>Hi everyone,
>
>
>
>We are trying to use text insets that get called into the chapter and 
>then are conditionalized from within the container file. For example, 
>if we want the content of an inset to appear only in Help, we give it a 
>HelpOnly condition from within the container file. We do not want to 
>conditionalize the text inset content itself because the condition may 
>not be appropriate in other places we use the inset.
>
>
>
>This works fine until we revise the inset and it gets called back into 
>the container file. The condition is lost. At first, it seemed like a 
>bug. But after thinking about it, it makes sense that reimporting the 
>text inset replaces everything associated with the previous version. 
>The buggy thing is that Frame still indicates that the inset is 
>conditional (in the lower left corner of the screen where the 
>paragraph/flow info shows). The conditional dialog indicates that the 
>inset is conditional, but does not indicate which condition. In the 
>end, however, the information seems bogus because if you click on 
>something else, then click back on the inset, the info is carried over 
>from the previous text you clicked on.
>
>
>
>If the conditional info was truly held in Frame, I was hoping that a 
>solution could be a script that scans for insets with associated 
>conditions and update and apply the condition. Now, I am not so hopeful.
>
>
>
>Has anyone run into this and solved the problem?
>
>
>
>Thank you...
>
>
>
>Gary
>

In Praise of Framers and QuickBooks Pro 2008

[Tammy Van Boening]

Rick,

My husband and I use QuickBooks Smart Start - it's made much more for
the small business owner and it doesn't have all the unnecessary bells
and whistles for a small business that more advanced versions (like Pro)
has. There's also a great "dummies book" for SmartStart. We have it and
between that and the ease of the application, it is so perfect for a
small business owner.

HTH,

TVB 

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To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; framers at omsys.com
Subject: OT: In Praise of Framers and QuickBooks Pro 2008

Hello Framers,

First of all, I want to thank all of you Framers who generously answer
my off-topic posts. I have received some great suggestions and guidance
on many topics over the years. Framers are smart! Now on to my latest OT
post.

I am getting ready to incorporate my business and my accountant
recommended QuickBooks Pro 2008. I was getting ready to buy it, but I am
a little spooked by the negative reviews on Amazon and elsewhere. Does
anyone here have any feedback on it?

Also, are there any Intuit folks on the list? I would be willing to
barter some FrameScript work for a legal copy of QuickBooks Pro 2008.
Thank you very much.

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing
585-659-8267
www.frameexpert.com

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import only one

[mbrad...@techpubs.com]

ImportFormatsSpecial is an inexpensive well-designed plug-in that enables you 
to import 22 different format types in any combination. I've used it for years 
and can't imagine not having it around, esp. when I'm working up new templates.

It's at www.frameexpert.com:
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