RE: TOC pages start at page "4", and I want it to start at page "iv".
Avi Makeler wrote:> In one particular book, the TOC section starts at page "4", and I want it to > start at page "iv". > > Nothing I do seems to want it to start at page "iv". >From the book file, right-click on the TOC file, then select Numbering from the context menu. On the Page tab set the numbering to lower-case roman. After setting the numbering properties, remember to do an Update Book for the changes to actually get applied. -Fred Ridder ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Importing multipage TIFFs into FM8
Try printing to pdf from a graphics application that can open multiple pages of a multi-page tif and import the pdf. Alan On 23/01/2009, at 5:33 AM, Yves Barbion wrote: > Posted on behalf of Richard Melanson > > > *Hello Framers,* > > ** > > *I have spent the last couples of hours trying to find an answer to > this > question. I am importing by reference TIFFs into a Framemaker 8 > file. The > TIFFs are a single file with multiple pages, but Frame is only > importing the > first page. What am I missing here, I sure hope this is not > embarrassingly > easy answer. Thank you for any help you can give me.* -- Alan Litchfield MBus(Hons), MNZCS AlphaByte PO Box 1941, Auckland, NZ. 1140 http://www.alphabyte.co.nz ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: New Adobe Technical Communication Suite 2 andnewAdobeeLearningSuite
And, Acrobat Pro allows you to merge the comments together into one pdf. Alan On 23/01/2009, at 11:36 AM, Art Campbell wrote: > The web server option is just that -- a option. Not required. > > If you don't use the (free, for now) adobe.com option, you can use > any LAN > network folder that allows all reviewers r/w access as the base > location for > the review. > > Art > > Art Campbell > art.campb...@gmail.com > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 > Vincent and a > redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson > No disclaimers > apply. > DoD 358 > > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Fred Ridder > wrote: > >> >> Responding to Leif Erikson, Richard Combs wrote: >> >>> You need Pro or Pro Extended to create a PDF that reviewers can >>> mark up >>> with Adobe Reader. The version comparison matrix is at: >>> >>> http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/matrix.html >> >> It's my understanding that what you need the Pro Extended version for >> is to implement the shared browser-based review using Acrobat.com >> and avoiding the hassle of setting up your own web server with the >> (very expensive) Acrobat server extensions software. And the >> advantage >> of the browser-based review workflow over one that uses a file server >> is that each reviewer's markup gets merged into the master review >> file >> so that all reviewers see all previous markup/comments. >> >> -Fred Ridder >> >> _ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: PDF Documentation
Depends upon what it is (how long mostly) and the page layout (size, portrait vs landscape). If it is one page it seems to get printed, but if it is long and is a manual it gets printed too. But if if is middling to long and is, for example a District Plan, technical reference, or something similar it doesn't get printed although selected pages might. Alan On 23/01/2009, at 5:40 AM, Kelly McDaniel wrote: > Quick Survey: > > > > Is it your experience that users view PDF documentation on their > computer display in preference to printing it for use? > > If so, by what ratio of view:print? Opinions and SWAGs are fine. > > > > Kelly M. McDaniel > > Senior Technical Writer > > > > Pavilion Technologies > > A Rockwell Automation Company > > > > -- Alan Litchfield MBus(Hons), MNZCS AlphaByte PO Box 1941, Auckland, NZ. 1140 http://www.alphabyte.co.nz ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Slow File Loading in FM9
Interesting, and does anyone know if there is an option to display low resolution images onscreen a la InDesign instead of high? Alan On 23/01/2009, at 8:50 AM, Mike Wickham wrote: > I've started playing with the FM9 trial, and I've noticed a change. > Files > load much more slowly for me. It's due to FM9 loading all graphics > before it > presents the first page. Previous FM versions presented the first > page, and > only loaded graphics for other pages if I actually scrolled to a > page that > had them. My files are graphically rich. So a file that used to take > six > seconds to load, now takes 47. > > Though loading of the file is very slow, paging through the file is > now > instantaneous. In previous FM versions, loading of the file was fast > and > paging (the first time) was slower, as graphics were loaded for that > page. > Now, file loading is slow and paging fast. > > I don't page through the file that much, so I prefer the old > behavior. Does > anyone know if there is a toggle for it somewhere? > -- Alan Litchfield MBus(Hons), MNZCS AlphaByte PO Box 1941, Auckland, NZ. 1140 http://www.alphabyte.co.nz ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
PDF Documentation
Even if there is plenty of raw material (trees) in the US, processing, handling and disposing of the paper is definitely un-green. Micheal O'Laoghaire Comverse Inc, Cambridge, MA -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of John Sgammato Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 6:37 PM To: Combs, Richard; Bill Swallow Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: PDF Documentation Well, for what it's worth, my German service engineer said that in Germany, his customers prefer PDFs to printed books, for all the usual reasons, PLUS they strongly feel that paper manuals are a sign of a company that does not "think green". Whether they are right or wrong is immaterial; we probably won't be sending printed docs to German customers unless they ask for them. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Combs, Richard Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 6:33 PM To: Bill Swallow Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: PDF Documentation Bill Swallow wrote: > At best they are an 11-year renewable resource. So, yes. > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Rick Quatro > wrote: > >> German culture is much more green-minded than ours, so among our German > >> customers, especially in manufacturing, printed docs are anathema, proof > >> that we ignorant Americans will destroy our planet in short order. > > > > Huh? Is there is a shortage of trees in America? Um, no, there is not. And whether the cycle is 11 years, or 7, or 20 is irrelevant. I can't speak for Germany, but the U.S. has more forested acres today than it had 100 years ago. As of 2004, there were more than two acres of forest for every person in the U.S. One reason is because increased agricultural efficiency lets us grow more food on fewer acres, so less land is plowed up. Another reason is that long-term growth in demand for wood products, including paper, encouraged entrepreneurs to plant lots of trees and to manage forest resources for sustained profitability. Most of the what's called "pulpwood" (used for paper products) comes from the 7% of forested land that's actual tree farms. As demand for paper grows, so does the size of tree farms. (Here's one relevant source: http://www.cfact.org/site/view_article.asp?idCategory=5&idarticle=457) TW tie-in: Print stuff when it makes sense, don't when it doesn't, and stop worrying about killing trees. The more we need, the more they'll grow. Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as jsgammato at imprivata.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jsgammato%40imprivat a.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as Micheal.OLaoghaire at comverse.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/micheal.olaoghaire%4 0comverse.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
PDF Documentation
Well, for what it's worth, my German service engineer said that in Germany, his customers prefer PDFs to printed books, for all the usual reasons, PLUS they strongly feel that paper manuals are a sign of a company that does not "think green". Whether they are right or wrong is immaterial; we probably won't be sending printed docs to German customers unless they ask for them. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Combs, Richard Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 6:33 PM To: Bill Swallow Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: PDF Documentation Bill Swallow wrote: > At best they are an 11-year renewable resource. So, yes. > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Rick Quatro > wrote: > >> German culture is much more green-minded than ours, so among our German > >> customers, especially in manufacturing, printed docs are anathema, proof > >> that we ignorant Americans will destroy our planet in short order. > > > > Huh? Is there is a shortage of trees in America? Um, no, there is not. And whether the cycle is 11 years, or 7, or 20 is irrelevant. I can't speak for Germany, but the U.S. has more forested acres today than it had 100 years ago. As of 2004, there were more than two acres of forest for every person in the U.S. One reason is because increased agricultural efficiency lets us grow more food on fewer acres, so less land is plowed up. Another reason is that long-term growth in demand for wood products, including paper, encouraged entrepreneurs to plant lots of trees and to manage forest resources for sustained profitability. Most of the what's called "pulpwood" (used for paper products) comes from the 7% of forested land that's actual tree farms. As demand for paper grows, so does the size of tree farms. (Here's one relevant source: http://www.cfact.org/site/view_article.asp?idCategory=5&idarticle=457) TW tie-in: Print stuff when it makes sense, don't when it doesn't, and stop worrying about killing trees. The more we need, the more they'll grow. Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as jsgammato at imprivata.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jsgammato%40imprivat a.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
TOC pages start at page "4", and I want it to start at page "iv".
HI all, In one particular book, the TOC section starts at page "4", and I want it to start at page "iv". Nothing I do seems to want it to start at page "iv". Ideas? avi ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
PDF Documentation
At best they are an 11-year renewable resource. So, yes. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Rick Quatro wrote: >> German culture is much more green-minded than ours, so among our German >> customers, especially in manufacturing, printed docs are anathema, proof >> that we ignorant Americans will destroy our planet in short order. > > Huh? Is there is a shortage of trees in America? -- Bill Swallow http://techcommdood.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/techcommdood Avid homebrewer and proud beer snob.
PDF Documentation
I can't speak for users but I prefer online for search and indexing. Paper just contributes to clutter, which I have more than my fair share of. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Kelly McDaniel wrote: > Quick Survey: > > > > Is it your experience that users view PDF documentation on their > computer display in preference to printing it for use? > > If so, by what ratio of view:print? Opinions and SWAGs are fine. > > > > Kelly M. McDaniel > -- Bill Swallow http://techcommdood.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/techcommdood Avid homebrewer and proud beer snob.
New Adobe Technical Communication Suite 2 andnewAdobeeLearningSuite
The web server option is just that -- a option. Not required. If you don't use the (free, for now) adobe.com option, you can use any LAN network folder that allows all reviewers r/w access as the base location for the review. Art Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Fred Ridder wrote: > > Responding to Leif Erikson, Richard Combs wrote: > > > You need Pro or Pro Extended to create a PDF that reviewers can mark up > > with Adobe Reader. The version comparison matrix is at: > > > > http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/matrix.html > > It's my understanding that what you need the Pro Extended version for > is to implement the shared browser-based review using Acrobat.com > and avoiding the hassle of setting up your own web server with the > (very expensive) Acrobat server extensions software. And the advantage > of the browser-based review workflow over one that uses a file server > is that each reviewer's markup gets merged into the master review file > so that all reviewers see all previous markup/comments. > > -Fred Ridder > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
Importing multipage TIFFs into FM8
Posted on behalf of Richard Melanson *Hello Framers,* ** *I have spent the last couples of hours trying to find an answer to this question. I am importing by reference TIFFs into a Framemaker 8 file. The TIFFs are a single file with multiple pages, but Frame is only importing the first page. What am I missing here, I sure hope this is not embarrassingly easy answer. Thank you for any help you can give me.* ** Richard Melanson
PDF Documentation
Robert Shelton wrote: > What you say may very well be true, though I'd be reluctant to say that > a tree farm = forested land. However, the cite you give is from John > Stossel, who is hardly unbiased when it comes to reporting environmental > issues. Again, it may be true, but I'd take it with a very large grain > of salt. > > And as we've now gone completely off-topic, I'll stop. You're right, and I'll stop too. Right after this. :-) John Stossel is one of my heroes, but I won't debate his character and reliability here. If you don't trust that source, try a Google search for "more forest today" (with quotes included). You'll find a variety of sources for related information, including state government and academic sources. Anyway, John Sgammato is completely right, of course. If your customers think badly of people who send them printed manuals, you'd be foolish to spend the money to send them printed manuals. That's why I said "Print stuff when it makes sense, don't when it doesn't..." Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 --
New Adobe Technical Communication Suite 2 andnewAdobeeLearningSuite
Responding to Leif Erikson, Richard Combs wrote: > You need Pro or Pro Extended to create a PDF that reviewers can mark up > with Adobe Reader. The version comparison matrix is at: > > http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/matrix.html It's my understanding that what you need the Pro Extended version for is to implement the shared browser-based review using Acrobat.com and avoiding the hassle of setting up your own web server with the (very expensive) Acrobat server extensions software. And the advantage of the browser-based review workflow over one that uses a file server is that each reviewer's markup gets merged into the master review file so that all reviewers see all previous markup/comments. -Fred Ridder
PDF Documentation
Bill Swallow wrote: > At best they are an 11-year renewable resource. So, yes. > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Rick Quatro > wrote: > >> German culture is much more green-minded than ours, so among our German > >> customers, especially in manufacturing, printed docs are anathema, proof > >> that we ignorant Americans will destroy our planet in short order. > > > > Huh? Is there is a shortage of trees in America? Um, no, there is not. And whether the cycle is 11 years, or 7, or 20 is irrelevant. I can't speak for Germany, but the U.S. has more forested acres today than it had 100 years ago. As of 2004, there were more than two acres of forest for every person in the U.S. One reason is because increased agricultural efficiency lets us grow more food on fewer acres, so less land is plowed up. Another reason is that long-term growth in demand for wood products, including paper, encouraged entrepreneurs to plant lots of trees and to manage forest resources for sustained profitability. Most of the what's called "pulpwood" (used for paper products) comes from the 7% of forested land that's actual tree farms. As demand for paper grows, so does the size of tree farms. (Here's one relevant source: http://www.cfact.org/site/view_article.asp?idCategory=5&idarticle=457) TW tie-in: Print stuff when it makes sense, don't when it doesn't, and stop worrying about killing trees. The more we need, the more they'll grow. Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 --
PDF Documentation
My 2 cents, as others have hinted, is that it depends on the application. When I'm working on manuals by day, I love having a searchable PDF when I need to track something down for reference. When I'm assembling a gizmo at home, I want a hard copy. Chances are I won't be working anywhere close to the computer. When I'm wearing my journalist's hat and reporting on the doings of a local government or school board, where meeting packets are increasingly coming in PDF format, I want both -- a hard copy of at least the agenda and any major discussion topics to refer to during the conversation, a PDF at home and writing for when I have to navigate the packet and hunt down relevant details. Jim -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of rinch at Inficon.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 3:06 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: PDF Documentation Kelly, My experience is that my users prefer viewing PDFs, preferring PDF over paper. We shifted from delivering paper operating manuals to delivering PDFs on CD a years ago. We were worried at first, but needlessly so. We even offered to ship printed, bound hardcopy for free to any user that requested it. Our users liked the change to PDF very much, and now prefer PDFs. I have not had a request for a hardcopy manual in years. Actually, customers have told their reps how much they prefer the PDFs. Our Service Department initially balked when we talked about doing away with hardcopy Service Manuals, but once they started using the PDFs they shifted quickly away from paper. I can put E size schematics in a PDF (beautiful vector drawings created directly from our CAD software --- for example, Service Technicians can print just a portion of the schematic at whatever zoom level they want on standard 8 1/2 x 11 paper or print the entire schematic on E size paper if the printer supports it). The Service Technicians now have PDFs that contain all the Service information they need, and they can always find a printer they can hook into to print hardcopy, if need be. But, honestly, the standard for them is to work from their laptop, viewing the PDF of the manual on screen. If users are connected to a printer, they will print out pages of interest to them. But, I've never heard of anyone actually printing a whole PDF to hardcopy. I do support a product line of hand held instruments used by HVAC technicians; more of a main stream, over-the-counter product. For example, when you call a HVAC technician to come service your central air conditioning, they will probably have in their truck a small hand held leak detector in a very tough case. We include small, short, paper manuals for those hand held products. We do not supply a CD with the manual on it to these people; they prefer paper (they can get their manual in PDF off of our website, though). Honestly, these instruments don't really need a manual anyway, and I suspect most of these paper manuals are quickly lost once people figure out how to install the batteries, how to set the sensitivity range, and turn it on/off. But, for my larger, more complicated instruments, PDF alone is just fine and is actually preferred by my customers. These instruments often come with specialized control software, and since those users are already using computers, PDF is a natural fit. This is especially true for instruments that are used in clean room environments. Years ago I prepared very expensive clean room paper manuals. A PDF viewed on their clean room computer is now the preferred choice by my users. These instruments are not sold "over the counter". They are purchased with Service Contracts and/or installation by trained technicians. We don't even supply short Quick Use Guides or Getting Started Guides (like those you get when you buy a new printer for your home computer) because only trained technicians should install the instrument. The installation parameters are in the Operating Manual PDF on the CD we supply, but in most cases a trained technician, working from a Service Manual PDF, does the actual instrument installation. Your situation may be different than mine. Perhaps your products are more "mainstream". But, for me, PDF works well for all but my hand held products, and PDF is preferred over hardcopy by all but my hand held product users. Richard "Kelly McDaniel" Sent by: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 01/22/2009 11:40 AM To cc Subject PDF Documentation Quick Survey: Is it your experience that users view PDF documentation on their computer display in preference to printing it for use? If so, by what ratio of view:print? Opinions and SWAGs are fine. Kelly M. McDaniel Senior Technical Writer Pavilion Technologies A Rockwell Automation Company ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as rinch at inficon.com. Send list messages to
Why does Frame cycle 2x ?
My experience is that if you leave the Find dialog box to edit something, FrameMaker knows this and starts its search over from the last location of the cursor in the flow until it has circled through the file back to the cursor spot. If you don't jump from the Find dialog into the document, FrameMaker only goes through the file once. I know of no way to have it stop once it reaches the end of the file without circling back through if I've made a change in the document that wasn't using the Find dialog. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Allison Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 4:05 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Why does Frame cycle 2x ? Whenever I use "Find" in a book, Frame always cycles twice through each chapter file before going on to the next chapter file. How come? How do I make it STOP. --Nancy This email has been scanned.
RE: PDF Documentation
Robert Shelton wrote: > What you say may very well be true, though I'd be reluctant to say that > a tree farm = forested land. However, the cite you give is from John > Stossel, who is hardly unbiased when it comes to reporting environmental > issues. Again, it may be true, but I'd take it with a very large grain > of salt. > > And as we've now gone completely off-topic, I'll stop. You're right, and I'll stop too. Right after this. :-) John Stossel is one of my heroes, but I won't debate his character and reliability here. If you don't trust that source, try a Google search for "more forest today" (with quotes included). You'll find a variety of sources for related information, including state government and academic sources. Anyway, John Sgammato is completely right, of course. If your customers think badly of people who send them printed manuals, you'd be foolish to spend the money to send them printed manuals. That's why I said "Print stuff when it makes sense, don't when it doesn't..." Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Vaguely OT: Graphics Editor Recommendations?
Lea, I use Adobe Photoshop for bitmap stuff. I use Adobe Illustrator for vector stuff. I use FullShot for screen captures, saving into PNG format. Regards, Richard "Lea Rush" Sent by: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 01/22/2009 01:07 PM To cc Subject Vaguely OT: Graphics Editor Recommendations? Heya, I'd like to solicit opinions on graphic editors from the community. I'm in a grey area between graphics needs, and I could use some advice on the appropriate editor. I care for three kinds of graphics. *Simple line-art drawings, similar to kindergarten mechanical drawings *Photos for inclusion in both printed and PDF media *Software dialog screenshots for both printed and PDF media I'm running Vista with FM8.0. I'm considering upgrading to either TC2 or a combination of FM9 and Acrobat 9 ProExt, depending on whether the latter will support round-tripping PDFs in the review process. Thoughts? Or perhaps a recommendation for a mailing list more appropriate to this question? Thanks much in advance, Lea _ Lea Rush Software and Documentation Specialist Astoria-Pacific International PO Box 830 Clackamas OR 97015 PH: 800-657-3010 FAX: 503-655-7367 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as rinch at inficon.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rinch%40inficon.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Screen Capture
All, Not really a FrameMaker question, but... I am creating some manuals and I need to include some screen shots of our configuration software. Any recommendations on which screen capture software works best? Thanks, Brian Lamborn blamborn at comcast.net
PDF Documentation
Kelly, My experience is that my users prefer viewing PDFs, preferring PDF over paper. We shifted from delivering paper operating manuals to delivering PDFs on CD a years ago. We were worried at first, but needlessly so. We even offered to ship printed, bound hardcopy for free to any user that requested it. Our users liked the change to PDF very much, and now prefer PDFs. I have not had a request for a hardcopy manual in years. Actually, customers have told their reps how much they prefer the PDFs. Our Service Department initially balked when we talked about doing away with hardcopy Service Manuals, but once they started using the PDFs they shifted quickly away from paper. I can put E size schematics in a PDF (beautiful vector drawings created directly from our CAD software --- for example, Service Technicians can print just a portion of the schematic at whatever zoom level they want on standard 8 1/2 x 11 paper or print the entire schematic on E size paper if the printer supports it). The Service Technicians now have PDFs that contain all the Service information they need, and they can always find a printer they can hook into to print hardcopy, if need be. But, honestly, the standard for them is to work from their laptop, viewing the PDF of the manual on screen. If users are connected to a printer, they will print out pages of interest to them. But, I've never heard of anyone actually printing a whole PDF to hardcopy. I do support a product line of hand held instruments used by HVAC technicians; more of a main stream, over-the-counter product. For example, when you call a HVAC technician to come service your central air conditioning, they will probably have in their truck a small hand held leak detector in a very tough case. We include small, short, paper manuals for those hand held products. We do not supply a CD with the manual on it to these people; they prefer paper (they can get their manual in PDF off of our website, though). Honestly, these instruments don't really need a manual anyway, and I suspect most of these paper manuals are quickly lost once people figure out how to install the batteries, how to set the sensitivity range, and turn it on/off. But, for my larger, more complicated instruments, PDF alone is just fine and is actually preferred by my customers. These instruments often come with specialized control software, and since those users are already using computers, PDF is a natural fit. This is especially true for instruments that are used in clean room environments. Years ago I prepared very expensive clean room paper manuals. A PDF viewed on their clean room computer is now the preferred choice by my users. These instruments are not sold "over the counter". They are purchased with Service Contracts and/or installation by trained technicians. We don't even supply short Quick Use Guides or Getting Started Guides (like those you get when you buy a new printer for your home computer) because only trained technicians should install the instrument. The installation parameters are in the Operating Manual PDF on the CD we supply, but in most cases a trained technician, working from a Service Manual PDF, does the actual instrument installation. Your situation may be different than mine. Perhaps your products are more "mainstream". But, for me, PDF works well for all but my hand held products, and PDF is preferred over hardcopy by all but my hand held product users. Richard "Kelly McDaniel" Sent by: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 01/22/2009 11:40 AM To cc Subject PDF Documentation Quick Survey: Is it your experience that users view PDF documentation on their computer display in preference to printing it for use? If so, by what ratio of view:print? Opinions and SWAGs are fine. Kelly M. McDaniel Senior Technical Writer Pavilion Technologies A Rockwell Automation Company ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as rinch at inficon.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rinch%40inficon.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Why does Frame cycle 2x ?
Whenever I use "Find" in a book, Frame always cycles twice through each chapter file before going on to the next chapter file. How come? How do I make it STOP. --Nancy
New Adobe Technical Communication Suite 2 and newAdobeeLearningSuite
I was using Acrobat 8 Professional that came with Adobe Design Premium CS3. -Original Message- From: Lief Erickson [mailto:l...@networkinstruments.com] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 3:51 PM To: Art Campbell; John Sgammato Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Mike Wickham; Lin Sims Subject: RE: New Adobe Technical Communication Suite 2 and newAdobeeLearningSuite My question is do you need Acrobat Pro Extended or will Acrobat Pro (or even Acrobat Standard) suffice? -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 12:49 PM To: John Sgammato Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Mike Wickham; Lin Sims Subject: Re: New Adobe Technical Communication Suite 2 and newAdobeeLearningSuite John, I'm not positive because I haven't played with it yet myself, but I think the next step is to use Frame's Track Changes tool to Accept/Reject the delete / insert comments that you've imported. Art Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 1:40 PM, John Sgammato wrote: > It can. > I downloaded the FM9 demo and tested it last night. > I opened my Appliance Guide book and all chapters and generated the PDF > using the Save as PDF (Send for review)... Feature. > Then I opened the PDF and made some various edits (deletions, > insertions, sticky notes, and highlighting). > Then in the Book file, I imported PDF comments. The insert/delete > comments appeared as conditional text in different colors, and the two > sticky notes appeared as markers. > I do not see an MS Word-style "accept-reject comment" option, but it > will still save a lot of time to have them all in place for me. > > john > > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Sims > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 1:05 PM > To: Mike Wickham > Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: New Adobe Technical Communication Suite 2 and > newAdobeeLearningSuite > > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Mike Wickham > wrote: > > Yes. I just went back and looked at the online video. They are calling > > > it "PDF shared review," but there is not one word of mention of it in > > the FM9 user guide, nor of the File> Save as PDF (Send For Review) > menu item in FM9. > > I can see in my existing Acrobat 9 Pro an option to Send for Shared > > Review, so it's clear that I can send a PDF for review, and get back > > the changes, but not clear if the standalone version of FM9 can import > > > the changes directly into FM9-- or if that's a feature available only > > in the TCS version of FM9. > > > > Mike Wickham > > > According to the Adobe web site listing the new features of FM9, it can. > > http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/features/?view=topnew > > > -- > Lin Sims > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as jsgammato at imprivata.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jsgammato%40imprivat > a.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail .com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as lief at netinst.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lief%40netinst.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. This email has been scanned. This email has been scanned.
Inserting a landscape page within a portrait layout document
That does help! Thank you Robert. Cordialement, Mathieu. > Subject: RE: Inserting a landscape page within a portrait layout document > Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 08:41:06 -0700 > From: richard.combs at Polycom.com > To: yves.barbion at gmail.com; bobitch at hotmail.com > CC: framers at lists.frameusers.com > > Yves Barbion wrote: > > > You can do one of the following to insert landscape pages: > > > >- Choose *Format > Customize Layout > Rotate Page Clockwise* (or > >Counterclockwise) > >- Split up your file and put the files in a FrameMaker book. Create > >separate files for the landscape pages and insert these at the relevant > >positions in your FrameMaker book. This is a bit more work in the > > beginning, > >but it's also a safer option for future updates. > > The first option can be made much more robust and flexible with a bit more > work in the beginning, too. > > Instead of just rotating body pages ad hoc as needed, create rotated custom > master pages (LandscapeLeft and LandscapeRight might be good names). In FM > 7.x or higher, you could assign these master pages based on specific > paragraph tags, but IIRC, FM6 didn't have that feature. There are, however, > scripts and/or plugins that will do it. If this is a one-time thing, it > probably isn't worth it, but if there is a recurring need, automating this > would be a good idea. > > mathieu jacquet wrote: > > > P.S.: you're of a much better disposition than some who can't bear > > questions about already resolved issues...;o) > > With some of us, it just depends on our level of caffeination. Too early is > not good, but too late is risky, too. ;-) > > But without intending any criticism of your question, I can help with the > archive search problem. Don't use the FrameUsers site, use Google. You can > restrict a Google search to the FrameUsers list by entering a search string > like this: > > landscape pages site:lists.frameusers.com > > Try that one, and I think you'll find several of the 76 hits quite relevant. > > HTH! > Richard > > > Richard G. Combs > Senior Technical Writer > Polycom, Inc. > richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom > 303-223-5111 > -- > rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom > 303-777-0436 > -- > > > > > > _ T?l?phonez gratuitement ? tous vos proches avec Windows Live Messenger? !? T?l?chargez-le maintenant !? http://www.windowslive.fr/messenger/1.asp
RE: PDF Documentation
Even if there is plenty of raw material (trees) in the US, processing, handling and disposing of the paper is definitely un-green. Micheal O'Laoghaire Comverse Inc, Cambridge, MA -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of John Sgammato Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 6:37 PM To: Combs, Richard; Bill Swallow Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: PDF Documentation Well, for what it's worth, my German service engineer said that in Germany, his customers prefer PDFs to printed books, for all the usual reasons, PLUS they strongly feel that paper manuals are a sign of a company that does not "think green". Whether they are right or wrong is immaterial; we probably won't be sending printed docs to German customers unless they ask for them. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Combs, Richard Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 6:33 PM To: Bill Swallow Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: PDF Documentation Bill Swallow wrote: > At best they are an 11-year renewable resource. So, yes. > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Rick Quatro > wrote: > >> German culture is much more green-minded than ours, so among our German > >> customers, especially in manufacturing, printed docs are anathema, proof > >> that we ignorant Americans will destroy our planet in short order. > > > > Huh? Is there is a shortage of trees in America? Um, no, there is not. And whether the cycle is 11 years, or 7, or 20 is irrelevant. I can't speak for Germany, but the U.S. has more forested acres today than it had 100 years ago. As of 2004, there were more than two acres of forest for every person in the U.S. One reason is because increased agricultural efficiency lets us grow more food on fewer acres, so less land is plowed up. Another reason is that long-term growth in demand for wood products, including paper, encouraged entrepreneurs to plant lots of trees and to manage forest resources for sustained profitability. Most of the what's called "pulpwood" (used for paper products) comes from the 7% of forested land that's actual tree farms. As demand for paper grows, so does the size of tree farms. (Here's one relevant source: http://www.cfact.org/site/view_article.asp?idCategory=5&idarticle=457) TW tie-in: Print stuff when it makes sense, don't when it doesn't, and stop worrying about killing trees. The more we need, the more they'll grow. Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as jsgamm...@imprivata.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jsgammato%40imprivat a.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as micheal.olaogha...@comverse.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/micheal.olaoghaire%4 0comverse.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Vaguely OT: Graphics Editor Recommendations?
Mike Wickham wrote: > SnagIt is probably the far and away favorite for capturing screenshots. It's > very powerful and inexpensive. In Windows, you can also use the Print Screen > key on your keyboard. It captures the whole screen. Then you open a new file > in Photoshop and hit Ctrl-V to paste the capture into Photoshop. You then > will have to crop out the part of the view that you don't want. Then save > the file. If you rarely need screen captures, this is enough. To capture just the active window, use Alt + Print Screen. If you do it > often, SnagIt lets you point to a window and it can capture only the window. ... or a region of the window, or a menu and submenus, or a scrolling window, etc. (As you said, very powerful.) It also comes with the Studio program that let's you edit, crop, add shadows, callouts, torn-edge effects, etc. -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com Suggested headline for theonion.com: "In Final Trip to Beijing, Bush Calls on Premier to 'Tear Down This Wall'" -- Malcolm Fleschner, Palo Alto, Calif., in The Washington Post
Vaguely OT: Graphics Editor Recommendations?
Mike Wickham wrote: > Lea, > > Line-art drawings are vector art. Adobe Illustrator is probably the favorite > program there, but there are similar programs. Just this week, someone > posted a link to a very cheap version of Xara Extreme, but you'd have to > hunt the archives for the link. > Here's what I posted: If you have a requirement to create illustrations but don't want to shell out megabucks for the big name programs, take a look at http://site.xara.com/offers/xaraxtreme/ I've been using Xara for several years, and find it to be a fantastic value (even having paid full price). The offer above is for the previous version, for only $19, available till the end of the month. You won't believe what this product can do. (No commercial interest in the company, just a very satisfied user.) -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com Suggested headline for theonion.com: "In Final Trip to Beijing, Bush Calls on Premier to 'Tear Down This Wall'" -- Malcolm Fleschner, Palo Alto, Calif., in The Washington Post
RE: PDF Documentation
Well, for what it's worth, my German service engineer said that in Germany, his customers prefer PDFs to printed books, for all the usual reasons, PLUS they strongly feel that paper manuals are a sign of a company that does not "think green". Whether they are right or wrong is immaterial; we probably won't be sending printed docs to German customers unless they ask for them. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Combs, Richard Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 6:33 PM To: Bill Swallow Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: PDF Documentation Bill Swallow wrote: > At best they are an 11-year renewable resource. So, yes. > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Rick Quatro > wrote: > >> German culture is much more green-minded than ours, so among our German > >> customers, especially in manufacturing, printed docs are anathema, proof > >> that we ignorant Americans will destroy our planet in short order. > > > > Huh? Is there is a shortage of trees in America? Um, no, there is not. And whether the cycle is 11 years, or 7, or 20 is irrelevant. I can't speak for Germany, but the U.S. has more forested acres today than it had 100 years ago. As of 2004, there were more than two acres of forest for every person in the U.S. One reason is because increased agricultural efficiency lets us grow more food on fewer acres, so less land is plowed up. Another reason is that long-term growth in demand for wood products, including paper, encouraged entrepreneurs to plant lots of trees and to manage forest resources for sustained profitability. Most of the what's called "pulpwood" (used for paper products) comes from the 7% of forested land that's actual tree farms. As demand for paper grows, so does the size of tree farms. (Here's one relevant source: http://www.cfact.org/site/view_article.asp?idCategory=5&idarticle=457) TW tie-in: Print stuff when it makes sense, don't when it doesn't, and stop worrying about killing trees. The more we need, the more they'll grow. Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as jsgamm...@imprivata.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jsgammato%40imprivat a.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: PDF Documentation
Bill Swallow wrote: > At best they are an 11-year renewable resource. So, yes. > > On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Rick Quatro > wrote: > >> German culture is much more green-minded than ours, so among our German > >> customers, especially in manufacturing, printed docs are anathema, proof > >> that we ignorant Americans will destroy our planet in short order. > > > > Huh? Is there is a shortage of trees in America? Um, no, there is not. And whether the cycle is 11 years, or 7, or 20 is irrelevant. I can't speak for Germany, but the U.S. has more forested acres today than it had 100 years ago. As of 2004, there were more than two acres of forest for every person in the U.S. One reason is because increased agricultural efficiency lets us grow more food on fewer acres, so less land is plowed up. Another reason is that long-term growth in demand for wood products, including paper, encouraged entrepreneurs to plant lots of trees and to manage forest resources for sustained profitability. Most of the what's called "pulpwood" (used for paper products) comes from the 7% of forested land that's actual tree farms. As demand for paper grows, so does the size of tree farms. (Here's one relevant source: http://www.cfact.org/site/view_article.asp?idCategory=5&idarticle=457) TW tie-in: Print stuff when it makes sense, don't when it doesn't, and stop worrying about killing trees. The more we need, the more they'll grow. Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: PDF Documentation
At best they are an 11-year renewable resource. So, yes. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Rick Quatro wrote: >> German culture is much more green-minded than ours, so among our German >> customers, especially in manufacturing, printed docs are anathema, proof >> that we ignorant Americans will destroy our planet in short order. > > Huh? Is there is a shortage of trees in America? -- Bill Swallow http://techcommdood.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/techcommdood Avid homebrewer and proud beer snob. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: PDF Documentation
I can't speak for users but I prefer online for search and indexing. Paper just contributes to clutter, which I have more than my fair share of. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Kelly McDaniel wrote: > Quick Survey: > > > > Is it your experience that users view PDF documentation on their > computer display in preference to printing it for use? > > If so, by what ratio of view:print? Opinions and SWAGs are fine. > > > > Kelly M. McDaniel > -- Bill Swallow http://techcommdood.blogspot.com http://twitter.com/techcommdood Avid homebrewer and proud beer snob. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
New Adobe Technical Communication Suite 2 and newAdobeeLearningSuite
My question is do you need Acrobat Pro Extended or will Acrobat Pro (or even Acrobat Standard) suffice? -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 12:49 PM To: John Sgammato Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Mike Wickham; Lin Sims Subject: Re: New Adobe Technical Communication Suite 2 and newAdobeeLearningSuite John, I'm not positive because I haven't played with it yet myself, but I think the next step is to use Frame's Track Changes tool to Accept/Reject the delete / insert comments that you've imported. Art Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 1:40 PM, John Sgammato wrote: > It can. > I downloaded the FM9 demo and tested it last night. > I opened my Appliance Guide book and all chapters and generated the PDF > using the Save as PDF (Send for review)... Feature. > Then I opened the PDF and made some various edits (deletions, > insertions, sticky notes, and highlighting). > Then in the Book file, I imported PDF comments. The insert/delete > comments appeared as conditional text in different colors, and the two > sticky notes appeared as markers. > I do not see an MS Word-style "accept-reject comment" option, but it > will still save a lot of time to have them all in place for me. > > john > > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Sims > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 1:05 PM > To: Mike Wickham > Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: New Adobe Technical Communication Suite 2 and > newAdobeeLearningSuite > > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Mike Wickham > wrote: > > Yes. I just went back and looked at the online video. They are calling > > > it "PDF shared review," but there is not one word of mention of it in > > the FM9 user guide, nor of the File> Save as PDF (Send For Review) > menu item in FM9. > > I can see in my existing Acrobat 9 Pro an option to Send for Shared > > Review, so it's clear that I can send a PDF for review, and get back > > the changes, but not clear if the standalone version of FM9 can import > > > the changes directly into FM9-- or if that's a feature available only > > in the TCS version of FM9. > > > > Mike Wickham > > > According to the Adobe web site listing the new features of FM9, it can. > > http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/features/?view=topnew > > > -- > Lin Sims > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as jsgammato at imprivata.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jsgammato%40imprivat > a.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail .com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as lief at netinst.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lief%40netinst.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. This email has been scanned. This email has been scanned.
PDF Documentation
Scott Prentice wrote (in small part): >Searching in a PDF is a fairly useless > operation as well, which is > another reason I prefer to use other types > of online docs. Actually, I find Acrobat's search operation, with it's list of results showing some of the surrounding context, to be very useable in many cases. Just *my* $0.02... -Fred Ridder
Re: New Adobe Technical Communication Suite 2 andnewAdobeeLearningSuite
The web server option is just that -- a option. Not required. If you don't use the (free, for now) adobe.com option, you can use any LAN network folder that allows all reviewers r/w access as the base location for the review. Art Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Fred Ridder wrote: > > Responding to Leif Erikson, Richard Combs wrote: > > > You need Pro or Pro Extended to create a PDF that reviewers can mark up > > with Adobe Reader. The version comparison matrix is at: > > > > http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/matrix.html > > It's my understanding that what you need the Pro Extended version for > is to implement the shared browser-based review using Acrobat.com > and avoiding the hassle of setting up your own web server with the > (very expensive) Acrobat server extensions software. And the advantage > of the browser-based review workflow over one that uses a file server > is that each reviewer's markup gets merged into the master review file > so that all reviewers see all previous markup/comments. > > -Fred Ridder > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. > > Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: PDF Documentation
My 2 cents, as others have hinted, is that it depends on the application. When I'm working on manuals by day, I love having a searchable PDF when I need to track something down for reference. When I'm assembling a gizmo at home, I want a hard copy. Chances are I won't be working anywhere close to the computer. When I'm wearing my journalist's hat and reporting on the doings of a local government or school board, where meeting packets are increasingly coming in PDF format, I want both -- a hard copy of at least the agenda and any major discussion topics to refer to during the conversation, a PDF at home and writing for when I have to navigate the packet and hunt down relevant details. Jim -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of ri...@inficon.com Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 3:06 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: PDF Documentation Kelly, My experience is that my users prefer viewing PDFs, preferring PDF over paper. We shifted from delivering paper operating manuals to delivering PDFs on CD a years ago. We were worried at first, but needlessly so. We even offered to ship printed, bound hardcopy for free to any user that requested it. Our users liked the change to PDF very much, and now prefer PDFs. I have not had a request for a hardcopy manual in years. Actually, customers have told their reps how much they prefer the PDFs. Our Service Department initially balked when we talked about doing away with hardcopy Service Manuals, but once they started using the PDFs they shifted quickly away from paper. I can put E size schematics in a PDF (beautiful vector drawings created directly from our CAD software --- for example, Service Technicians can print just a portion of the schematic at whatever zoom level they want on standard 8 1/2 x 11 paper or print the entire schematic on E size paper if the printer supports it). The Service Technicians now have PDFs that contain all the Service information they need, and they can always find a printer they can hook into to print hardcopy, if need be. But, honestly, the standard for them is to work from their laptop, viewing the PDF of the manual on screen. If users are connected to a printer, they will print out pages of interest to them. But, I've never heard of anyone actually printing a whole PDF to hardcopy. I do support a product line of hand held instruments used by HVAC technicians; more of a main stream, over-the-counter product. For example, when you call a HVAC technician to come service your central air conditioning, they will probably have in their truck a small hand held leak detector in a very tough case. We include small, short, paper manuals for those hand held products. We do not supply a CD with the manual on it to these people; they prefer paper (they can get their manual in PDF off of our website, though). Honestly, these instruments don't really need a manual anyway, and I suspect most of these paper manuals are quickly lost once people figure out how to install the batteries, how to set the sensitivity range, and turn it on/off. But, for my larger, more complicated instruments, PDF alone is just fine and is actually preferred by my customers. These instruments often come with specialized control software, and since those users are already using computers, PDF is a natural fit. This is especially true for instruments that are used in clean room environments. Years ago I prepared very expensive clean room paper manuals. A PDF viewed on their clean room computer is now the preferred choice by my users. These instruments are not sold "over the counter". They are purchased with Service Contracts and/or installation by trained technicians. We don't even supply short Quick Use Guides or Getting Started Guides (like those you get when you buy a new printer for your home computer) because only trained technicians should install the instrument. The installation parameters are in the Operating Manual PDF on the CD we supply, but in most cases a trained technician, working from a Service Manual PDF, does the actual instrument installation. Your situation may be different than mine. Perhaps your products are more "mainstream". But, for me, PDF works well for all but my hand held products, and PDF is preferred over hardcopy by all but my hand held product users. Richard "Kelly McDaniel" Sent by: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 01/22/2009 11:40 AM To cc Subject PDF Documentation Quick Survey: Is it your experience that users view PDF documentation on their computer display in preference to printing it for use? If so, by what ratio of view:print? Opinions and SWAGs are fine. Kelly M. McDaniel Senior Technical Writer Pavilion Technologies A Rockwell Automation Company ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as ri...@inficon.com. Send list messages to fram...@lis
RE: Why does Frame cycle 2x ?
My experience is that if you leave the Find dialog box to edit something, FrameMaker knows this and starts its search over from the last location of the cursor in the flow until it has circled through the file back to the cursor spot. If you don't jump from the Find dialog into the document, FrameMaker only goes through the file once. I know of no way to have it stop once it reaches the end of the file without circling back through if I've made a change in the document that wasn't using the Find dialog. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Allison Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 4:05 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Why does Frame cycle 2x ? Whenever I use "Find" in a book, Frame always cycles twice through each chapter file before going on to the next chapter file. How come? How do I make it STOP. --Nancy This email has been scanned. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Why does Frame cycle 2x ?
Whenever I use "Find" in a book, Frame always cycles twice through each chapter file before going on to the next chapter file. How come? How do I make it STOP. --Nancy ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
New Adobe Technical Communication Suite 2 andnewAdobeeLearningSuite
Lief Erickson wrote: > My question is do you need Acrobat Pro Extended or will Acrobat Pro (or > even Acrobat Standard) suffice? You need Pro or Pro Extended to create a PDF that reviewers can mark up with Adobe Reader. The version comparison matrix is at: http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/matrix.html Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 --
PDF Documentation
Yes. : ) I like to both view it on the screen and print it out. And when I print it out, I generally like to print it double-sided on 3-hole punch paper and put it in a binder. Please keep that in mind if buy anything from your company. : ) Mike -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McDaniel Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 11:40 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: PDF Documentation Quick Survey: Is it your experience that users view PDF documentation on their computer display in preference to printing it for use? If so, by what ratio of view:print? Opinions and SWAGs are fine. Kelly M. McDaniel Senior Technical Writer Pavilion Technologies A Rockwell Automation Company ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as mike.feimster at acstechnologies.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/mike.feimster%40acst echnologies.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RESOLVED: Inserting a landscape page within a portrait layout document
Thank you Yves, that looks fine. I'm trying it right now! Have a nice day, Mathieu. P.S.: you're of a much better disposition than some who can't bear questions about already resolved issues...;o) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 12:52:04 +0100 Subject: Re: Inserting a landscape page within a portrait layout document From: yves.barb...@gmail.com To: bobitch at hotmail.com CC: framers at lists.frameusers.com Hi Mathieu No need to apologize, you're not disturbing anyone here on this list. ;-) You can do one of the following to insert landscape pages: Choose Format > Customize Layout > Rotate Page Clockwise (or Counterclockwise) Split up your file and put the files in a FrameMaker book. Create separate files for the landscape pages and insert these at the relevant positions in your FrameMaker book. This is a bit more work in the beginning, but it's also a safer option for future updates. Cheers -- Yves Barbion ? Managing Director ? Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor www.scripto.nu ? skype: yves.barbion ? T: +32 494 12 01 89 On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 12:30 PM, mathieu jacquet wrote: Hi all, and sorry for the disturbance. I know this one has been dealt with a number of time, but I cannot perform a proper search in the Framers Archives (the site seems in maintenance). We work with Frame 6.0 on Unix and would like to insert a number of landscape pages within a document whose layout is exclusively "portrait". How should we proceed? Thank you very much for your help, Mathieu. _ T?l?phonez gratuitement ? tous vos proches avec Windows Live Messenger ! T?l?chargez-le maintenant ! http://www.windowslive.fr/messenger/1.asp ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as yves.barbion at gmail.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/yves.barbion%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. _ Vous voulez savoir ce que vous pouvez faire avec le nouveau Windows Live?? Lancez-vous ! http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowslive/default.aspx
Slow File Loading in FM9
I've started playing with the FM9 trial, and I've noticed a change. Files load much more slowly for me. It's due to FM9 loading all graphics before it presents the first page. Previous FM versions presented the first page, and only loaded graphics for other pages if I actually scrolled to a page that had them. My files are graphically rich. So a file that used to take six seconds to load, now takes 47. Though loading of the file is very slow, paging through the file is now instantaneous. In previous FM versions, loading of the file was fast and paging (the first time) was slower, as graphics were loaded for that page. Now, file loading is slow and paging fast. I don't page through the file that much, so I prefer the old behavior. Does anyone know if there is a toggle for it somewhere? Mike Wickham
New Adobe Technical Communication Suite 2 and newAdobeeLearningSuite
John, I'm not positive because I haven't played with it yet myself, but I think the next step is to use Frame's Track Changes tool to Accept/Reject the delete / insert comments that you've imported. Art Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 1:40 PM, John Sgammato wrote: > It can. > I downloaded the FM9 demo and tested it last night. > I opened my Appliance Guide book and all chapters and generated the PDF > using the Save as PDF (Send for review)... Feature. > Then I opened the PDF and made some various edits (deletions, > insertions, sticky notes, and highlighting). > Then in the Book file, I imported PDF comments. The insert/delete > comments appeared as conditional text in different colors, and the two > sticky notes appeared as markers. > I do not see an MS Word-style "accept-reject comment" option, but it > will still save a lot of time to have them all in place for me. > > john > > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Sims > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 1:05 PM > To: Mike Wickham > Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: New Adobe Technical Communication Suite 2 and > newAdobeeLearningSuite > > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Mike Wickham > wrote: > > Yes. I just went back and looked at the online video. They are calling > > > it "PDF shared review," but there is not one word of mention of it in > > the FM9 user guide, nor of the File> Save as PDF (Send For Review) > menu item in FM9. > > I can see in my existing Acrobat 9 Pro an option to Send for Shared > > Review, so it's clear that I can send a PDF for review, and get back > > the changes, but not clear if the standalone version of FM9 can import > > > the changes directly into FM9-- or if that's a feature available only > > in the TCS version of FM9. > > > > Mike Wickham > > > According to the Adobe web site listing the new features of FM9, it can. > > http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/features/?view=topnew > > > -- > Lin Sims > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as jsgammato at imprivata.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jsgammato%40imprivat > a.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
PDF Documentation
Our model is to supply help for online viewing, and a PDF that is optimized for printing. Barry
New Adobe Technical Communication Suite 2 and newAdobeeLearningSuite
It can. I downloaded the FM9 demo and tested it last night. I opened my Appliance Guide book and all chapters and generated the PDF using the Save as PDF (Send for review)... Feature. Then I opened the PDF and made some various edits (deletions, insertions, sticky notes, and highlighting). Then in the Book file, I imported PDF comments. The insert/delete comments appeared as conditional text in different colors, and the two sticky notes appeared as markers. I do not see an MS Word-style "accept-reject comment" option, but it will still save a lot of time to have them all in place for me. john -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Sims Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 1:05 PM To: Mike Wickham Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: New Adobe Technical Communication Suite 2 and newAdobeeLearningSuite On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Mike Wickham wrote: > Yes. I just went back and looked at the online video. They are calling > it "PDF shared review," but there is not one word of mention of it in > the FM9 user guide, nor of the File> Save as PDF (Send For Review) menu item in FM9. > I can see in my existing Acrobat 9 Pro an option to Send for Shared > Review, so it's clear that I can send a PDF for review, and get back > the changes, but not clear if the standalone version of FM9 can import > the changes directly into FM9-- or if that's a feature available only > in the TCS version of FM9. > > Mike Wickham According to the Adobe web site listing the new features of FM9, it can. http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/features/?view=topnew -- Lin Sims ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as jsgammato at imprivata.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jsgammato%40imprivat a.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: New Adobe Technical Communication Suite 2 andnewAdobeeLearningSuite
Responding to Leif Erikson, Richard Combs wrote: > You need Pro or Pro Extended to create a PDF that reviewers can mark up > with Adobe Reader. The version comparison matrix is at: > > http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/matrix.html It's my understanding that what you need the Pro Extended version for is to implement the shared browser-based review using Acrobat.com and avoiding the hassle of setting up your own web server with the (very expensive) Acrobat server extensions software. And the advantage of the browser-based review workflow over one that uses a file server is that each reviewer's markup gets merged into the master review file so that all reviewers see all previous markup/comments. -Fred Ridder ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Vaguely OT: Graphics Editor Recommendations?
Given that Photoshop is now bundled with TCS2, that would be my choice for most of your needs. I prefer SnagIt for screenshots because of its tighter integration; it has a rudimentary editor and Photoshop can do more serious work on the files it creates. For really simple line drawings, Photoshop works, but for most diagrams and such, I use Visio because it's quicker. Art Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Lea Rush wrote: > Heya, > > I'd like to solicit opinions on graphic editors from the community. I'm in > a > grey area between graphics needs, and I could use some advice on the > appropriate editor. > > I care for three kinds of graphics. > * Simple line-art drawings, similar to kindergarten mechanical > drawings > * Photos for inclusion in both printed and PDF media > * Software dialog screenshots for both printed and PDF media > > I'm running Vista with FM8.0. I'm considering upgrading to either TC2 or a > combination of FM9 and Acrobat 9 ProExt, depending on whether the latter > will support round-tripping PDFs in the review process. > > Thoughts? Or perhaps a recommendation for a mailing list more appropriate > to > this question? > > Thanks much in advance, > Lea > > > > > > _ > > Lea Rush > Software and Documentation Specialist > Astoria-Pacific International > PO Box 830 Clackamas OR 97015 > PH: 800-657-3010 > FAX: 503-655-7367 > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
Vaguely OT: Graphics Editor Recommendations?
> I care for three kinds of graphics. > * Simple line-art drawings, similar to kindergarten mechanical > drawings > * Photos for inclusion in both printed and PDF media > * Software dialog screenshots for both printed and PDF media > > I'm running Vista with FM8.0. I'm considering upgrading to either TC2 or a > combination of FM9 and Acrobat 9 ProExt, depending on whether the latter > will support round-tripping PDFs in the review process. Lea, Line-art drawings are vector art. Adobe Illustrator is probably the favorite program there, but there are similar programs. Just this week, someone posted a link to a very cheap version of Xara Extreme, but you'd have to hunt the archives for the link. Photos are bitmaps. Adobe Photoshop is the standard. Make sure you get the full version, not Photoshop Elements. Elements doesn't handle CMYK, which you need for press. Corel makes Paint Shop Pro, and there are other third party choices. SnagIt is probably the far and away favorite for capturing screenshots. It's very powerful and inexpensive. In Windows, you can also use the Print Screen key on your keyboard. It captures the whole screen. Then you open a new file in Photoshop and hit Ctrl-V to paste the capture into Photoshop. You then will have to crop out the part of the view that you don't want. Then save the file. If you rarely need screen captures, this is enough. If you do it often, SnagIt lets you point to a window and it can capture only the window. You may also have a capability, depending on your graphic card. My Matrox graphic card lets me select a region for capture, by drawing a box. I'm not sure you need the extended version of Acrobat 9 Pro for the round-tripping of PDF comments. So you might want to look at one of the Creative Suites containing Photoshop, Illustrator, and Acrobat Pro. Mike Wickham
Re: Vaguely OT: Graphics Editor Recommendations?
Lea, I use Adobe Photoshop for bitmap stuff. I use Adobe Illustrator for vector stuff. I use FullShot for screen captures, saving into PNG format. Regards, Richard "Lea Rush" Sent by: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 01/22/2009 01:07 PM To cc Subject Vaguely OT: Graphics Editor Recommendations? Heya, I'd like to solicit opinions on graphic editors from the community. I'm in a grey area between graphics needs, and I could use some advice on the appropriate editor. I care for three kinds of graphics. *Simple line-art drawings, similar to kindergarten mechanical drawings *Photos for inclusion in both printed and PDF media *Software dialog screenshots for both printed and PDF media I'm running Vista with FM8.0. I'm considering upgrading to either TC2 or a combination of FM9 and Acrobat 9 ProExt, depending on whether the latter will support round-tripping PDFs in the review process. Thoughts? Or perhaps a recommendation for a mailing list more appropriate to this question? Thanks much in advance, Lea _ Lea Rush Software and Documentation Specialist Astoria-Pacific International PO Box 830 Clackamas OR 97015 PH: 800-657-3010 FAX: 503-655-7367 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as ri...@inficon.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rinch%40inficon.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: New Adobe Technical Communication Suite 2 andnewAdobeeLearningSuite
Lief Erickson wrote: > My question is do you need Acrobat Pro Extended or will Acrobat Pro (or > even Acrobat Standard) suffice? You need Pro or Pro Extended to create a PDF that reviewers can mark up with Adobe Reader. The version comparison matrix is at: http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/matrix.html Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: PDF Documentation
Kelly, My experience is that my users prefer viewing PDFs, preferring PDF over paper. We shifted from delivering paper operating manuals to delivering PDFs on CD a years ago. We were worried at first, but needlessly so. We even offered to ship printed, bound hardcopy for free to any user that requested it. Our users liked the change to PDF very much, and now prefer PDFs. I have not had a request for a hardcopy manual in years. Actually, customers have told their reps how much they prefer the PDFs. Our Service Department initially balked when we talked about doing away with hardcopy Service Manuals, but once they started using the PDFs they shifted quickly away from paper. I can put E size schematics in a PDF (beautiful vector drawings created directly from our CAD software --- for example, Service Technicians can print just a portion of the schematic at whatever zoom level they want on standard 8 1/2 x 11 paper or print the entire schematic on E size paper if the printer supports it). The Service Technicians now have PDFs that contain all the Service information they need, and they can always find a printer they can hook into to print hardcopy, if need be. But, honestly, the standard for them is to work from their laptop, viewing the PDF of the manual on screen. If users are connected to a printer, they will print out pages of interest to them. But, I've never heard of anyone actually printing a whole PDF to hardcopy. I do support a product line of hand held instruments used by HVAC technicians; more of a main stream, over-the-counter product. For example, when you call a HVAC technician to come service your central air conditioning, they will probably have in their truck a small hand held leak detector in a very tough case. We include small, short, paper manuals for those hand held products. We do not supply a CD with the manual on it to these people; they prefer paper (they can get their manual in PDF off of our website, though). Honestly, these instruments don't really need a manual anyway, and I suspect most of these paper manuals are quickly lost once people figure out how to install the batteries, how to set the sensitivity range, and turn it on/off. But, for my larger, more complicated instruments, PDF alone is just fine and is actually preferred by my customers. These instruments often come with specialized control software, and since those users are already using computers, PDF is a natural fit. This is especially true for instruments that are used in clean room environments. Years ago I prepared very expensive clean room paper manuals. A PDF viewed on their clean room computer is now the preferred choice by my users. These instruments are not sold "over the counter". They are purchased with Service Contracts and/or installation by trained technicians. We don't even supply short Quick Use Guides or Getting Started Guides (like those you get when you buy a new printer for your home computer) because only trained technicians should install the instrument. The installation parameters are in the Operating Manual PDF on the CD we supply, but in most cases a trained technician, working from a Service Manual PDF, does the actual instrument installation. Your situation may be different than mine. Perhaps your products are more "mainstream". But, for me, PDF works well for all but my hand held products, and PDF is preferred over hardcopy by all but my hand held product users. Richard "Kelly McDaniel" Sent by: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 01/22/2009 11:40 AM To cc Subject PDF Documentation Quick Survey: Is it your experience that users view PDF documentation on their computer display in preference to printing it for use? If so, by what ratio of view:print? Opinions and SWAGs are fine. Kelly M. McDaniel Senior Technical Writer Pavilion Technologies A Rockwell Automation Company ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as ri...@inficon.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/rinch%40inficon.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Vaguely OT: Graphics Editor Recommendations?
Lea, I concur with Art Campbell re: Photoshop/TCSuite2 and SnagIt for screen caps. For the line drawings, you should try a couple of open-source options: Dia (Windows download: http://dia-installer.de/index_en.html) for Visio-like diagrams Inkscape: (www.inkscape.org) for vector drawing (a la Illustrator and Corel Draw) No difficult learning curve, even for non-graphics people like me. Very nice results. Mike McCallister Technical Writing Consultant, Compuware Author, "openSUSE Linux Unleashed" -- at bookstores now! Notes from the Metaverse: http://metaverse.wordpress.com On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Lea Rush wrote: > Heya, > > I'd like to solicit opinions on graphic editors from the community. I'm in > a > grey area between graphics needs, and I could use some advice on the > appropriate editor. > > I care for three kinds of graphics. > * Simple line-art drawings, similar to kindergarten mechanical > drawings > * Photos for inclusion in both printed and PDF media > * Software dialog screenshots for both printed and PDF media > > I'm running Vista with FM8.0. I'm considering upgrading to either TC2 or a > combination of FM9 and Acrobat 9 ProExt, depending on whether the latter > will support round-tripping PDFs in the review process. > > Thoughts? Or perhaps a recommendation for a mailing list more appropriate > to > this question? > > Thanks much in advance, > Lea > > > > > > _ > > Lea Rush > Software and Documentation Specialist > Astoria-Pacific International > PO Box 830 Clackamas OR 97015 > PH: 800-657-3010 > FAX: 503-655-7367 > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as workingwriter at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/workingwriter%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
New Adobe Technical Communication Suite 2 and newAdobeeLearningSuite
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Mike Wickham wrote: > Yes. I just went back and looked at the online video. They are calling it > "PDF shared review," but there is not one word of mention of it in the FM9 > user guide, nor of the File> Save as PDF (Send For Review) menu item in FM9. > I can see in my existing Acrobat 9 Pro an option to Send for Shared Review, > so it's clear that I can send a PDF for review, and get back the changes, > but not clear if the standalone version of FM9 can import the changes > directly into FM9-- or if that's a feature available only in the TCS version > of FM9. > > Mike Wickham According to the Adobe web site listing the new features of FM9, it can. http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/features/?view=topnew -- Lin Sims
PDF Documentation
Since we only provide our main help file in PDF format, I'd have to say at least 95% just open it and read it in the Reader. Jeff Coatsworth Documentation Specialist Gary Jonas Computing Ltd. 905-886-0544 905-886-8511 (fax) jeff.coatsworth at jonassoftware.com -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McDaniel Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 11:40 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: PDF Documentation Quick Survey: Is it your experience that users view PDF documentation on their computer display in preference to printing it for use? If so, by what ratio of view:print? Opinions and SWAGs are fine. Kelly M. McDaniel Senior Technical Writer Pavilion Technologies A Rockwell Automation Company ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as jeff.coatsworth at jonassoftware.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jeff.coatsworth%40jo nassoftware.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: New Adobe Technical Communication Suite 2 and newAdobeeLearningSuite
I was using Acrobat 8 Professional that came with Adobe Design Premium CS3. -Original Message- From: Lief Erickson [mailto:l...@networkinstruments.com] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 3:51 PM To: Art Campbell; John Sgammato Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Mike Wickham; Lin Sims Subject: RE: New Adobe Technical Communication Suite 2 and newAdobeeLearningSuite My question is do you need Acrobat Pro Extended or will Acrobat Pro (or even Acrobat Standard) suffice? -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 12:49 PM To: John Sgammato Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Mike Wickham; Lin Sims Subject: Re: New Adobe Technical Communication Suite 2 and newAdobeeLearningSuite John, I'm not positive because I haven't played with it yet myself, but I think the next step is to use Frame's Track Changes tool to Accept/Reject the delete / insert comments that you've imported. Art Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 1:40 PM, John Sgammato wrote: > It can. > I downloaded the FM9 demo and tested it last night. > I opened my Appliance Guide book and all chapters and generated the PDF > using the Save as PDF (Send for review)... Feature. > Then I opened the PDF and made some various edits (deletions, > insertions, sticky notes, and highlighting). > Then in the Book file, I imported PDF comments. The insert/delete > comments appeared as conditional text in different colors, and the two > sticky notes appeared as markers. > I do not see an MS Word-style "accept-reject comment" option, but it > will still save a lot of time to have them all in place for me. > > john > > -Original Message- > From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Sims > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 1:05 PM > To: Mike Wickham > Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: New Adobe Technical Communication Suite 2 and > newAdobeeLearningSuite > > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Mike Wickham > wrote: > > Yes. I just went back and looked at the online video. They are calling > > > it "PDF shared review," but there is not one word of mention of it in > > the FM9 user guide, nor of the File> Save as PDF (Send For Review) > menu item in FM9. > > I can see in my existing Acrobat 9 Pro an option to Send for Shared > > Review, so it's clear that I can send a PDF for review, and get back > > the changes, but not clear if the standalone version of FM9 can import > > > the changes directly into FM9-- or if that's a feature available only > > in the TCS version of FM9. > > > > Mike Wickham > > > According to the Adobe web site listing the new features of FM9, it can. > > http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/features/?view=topnew > > > -- > Lin Sims > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as jsgamm...@imprivata.com. > > Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jsgammato%40imprivat > a.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. > > Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail .com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as l...@netinst.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lief%40netinst.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. This email has been scanned. This email has been scanned. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/o
Inserting a landscape page within a portrait layout document
Hi Mathieu No need to apologize, you're not disturbing anyone here on this list. ;-) You can do one of the following to insert landscape pages: - Choose *Format > Customize Layout > Rotate Page Clockwise* (or Counterclockwise) - Split up your file and put the files in a FrameMaker book. Create separate files for the landscape pages and insert these at the relevant positions in your FrameMaker book. This is a bit more work in the beginning, but it's also a safer option for future updates. Cheers -- Yves Barbion ? Managing Director ? Adobe-Certified FrameMaker Instructor www.scripto.nu ? skype: yves.barbion ? T: +32 494 12 01 89 On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 12:30 PM, mathieu jacquet wrote: > > Hi all, > > and sorry for the disturbance. I know this one has been dealt with a number > of time, but I cannot perform a proper search in the Framers Archives (the > site seems in maintenance). > > We work with Frame 6.0 on Unix and would like to insert a number of > landscape pages within a document whose layout is exclusively "portrait". > > How should we proceed? > > Thank you very much for your help, > > Mathieu. > > _ > T?l?phonez gratuitement ? tous vos proches avec Windows Live Messenger ! > T?l?chargez-le maintenant ! > http://www.windowslive.fr/messenger/1.asp > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as yves.barbion at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/yves.barbion%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
RE: New Adobe Technical Communication Suite 2 and newAdobeeLearningSuite
My question is do you need Acrobat Pro Extended or will Acrobat Pro (or even Acrobat Standard) suffice? -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 12:49 PM To: John Sgammato Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Mike Wickham; Lin Sims Subject: Re: New Adobe Technical Communication Suite 2 and newAdobeeLearningSuite John, I'm not positive because I haven't played with it yet myself, but I think the next step is to use Frame's Track Changes tool to Accept/Reject the delete / insert comments that you've imported. Art Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 1:40 PM, John Sgammato wrote: > It can. > I downloaded the FM9 demo and tested it last night. > I opened my Appliance Guide book and all chapters and generated the PDF > using the Save as PDF (Send for review)... Feature. > Then I opened the PDF and made some various edits (deletions, > insertions, sticky notes, and highlighting). > Then in the Book file, I imported PDF comments. The insert/delete > comments appeared as conditional text in different colors, and the two > sticky notes appeared as markers. > I do not see an MS Word-style "accept-reject comment" option, but it > will still save a lot of time to have them all in place for me. > > john > > -Original Message- > From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Sims > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 1:05 PM > To: Mike Wickham > Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: New Adobe Technical Communication Suite 2 and > newAdobeeLearningSuite > > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Mike Wickham > wrote: > > Yes. I just went back and looked at the online video. They are calling > > > it "PDF shared review," but there is not one word of mention of it in > > the FM9 user guide, nor of the File> Save as PDF (Send For Review) > menu item in FM9. > > I can see in my existing Acrobat 9 Pro an option to Send for Shared > > Review, so it's clear that I can send a PDF for review, and get back > > the changes, but not clear if the standalone version of FM9 can import > > > the changes directly into FM9-- or if that's a feature available only > > in the TCS version of FM9. > > > > Mike Wickham > > > According to the Adobe web site listing the new features of FM9, it can. > > http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/features/?view=topnew > > > -- > Lin Sims > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as jsgamm...@imprivata.com. > > Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jsgammato%40imprivat > a.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. > > Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail .com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as l...@netinst.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lief%40netinst.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. This email has been scanned. This email has been scanned. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
How can I search for bold text and change it to a character style?
(Sorry if this is 2 days after the question, but I've been on vacation.) You can also get Rick Quattro's Find/Change Special plugin, which can search for a character style and replace it with another character style (amongst other things). On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Fred Ridder wrote: > > Responding to Avi's question, Art Campbell wrote: > >> Create a character style with the correct attributes. >> Apply it to something. >> Copy Special > Character Style. >> Find, specifying the bold text, and replace by pasting. > > Note that the Copy Special is Character *Format* rather than > Character *Style*, and that's actually an important distinction. > When you use Copy Special, FrameMaker copies all of the current > selections font format characteristics, including the explicit font > and size settings as well as the character tag that you really > want to propagate. If you copy the format from a chunk of > body text (for example, 11 pt TNR bold with the Bold character > tag applied) and then paste onto a selection in a heading (say > 14 pt Helvetica non-bold), you will get a chunk of 11 pt TNR > in the middle of that heading.
Re: Scrolling through files in a book
This used to be a problem in earlier versions of Frame. I know that in Frame 6 you could not page through a book if you had Para Designer open, but you could if it was closed. I can't remember now if other Designers had the same effect. Anyway, seems to have been fixed in 8. We upgraded from 6 to 8 last year, so I don't know if it was still a problem in 7. Jon Harvey wrote, on 23/01/2009 4:19 a.m.: > Everyone, > > > > I have a book with several files in it. With the book open, there are > times when I can easily page up or down from one file to the next > throughout the book. There are other times that FM stops at either the > first or last page of a file and refuses to go any further. In these > cases, I often have to go back to the book file, save the file I want to > go to, close it, and reopen it. What gives? > > > > > > Jon Harvey > > Manager, Desktop & Enterprise Documentation > > CambridgeSoft Corporation > > 100 CambridgePark Drive > > Cambridge, MA 02140 > > (617) 588-9354 > > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as dave.reyno...@tait.co.nz. > > Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dave.reynolds%40tait.co.nz > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Dave Reynolds Phone: (64) (3) 358 1029 Senior Technical Author Fax: (64) (3) 359 4632 Tait Electronics Ltd Email: dave.reyno...@tait.co.nz PO Box 1645 Christchurch New Zealand === This email, including any attachments, is only for the intended addressee. It is subject to copyright, is confidential and may be the subject of legal or other privilege, none of which is waived or lost by reason of this transmission. If the receiver is not the intended addressee, please accept our apologies, notify us by return, delete all copies and perform no other act on the email. Unfortunately, we cannot warrant that the email has not been altered or corrupted during transmission. === ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Vaguely OT: Graphics Editor Recommendations?
Mike Wickham wrote: > SnagIt is probably the far and away favorite for capturing screenshots. It's > very powerful and inexpensive. In Windows, you can also use the Print Screen > key on your keyboard. It captures the whole screen. Then you open a new file > in Photoshop and hit Ctrl-V to paste the capture into Photoshop. You then > will have to crop out the part of the view that you don't want. Then save > the file. If you rarely need screen captures, this is enough. To capture just the active window, use Alt + Print Screen. If you do it > often, SnagIt lets you point to a window and it can capture only the window. ... or a region of the window, or a menu and submenus, or a scrolling window, etc. (As you said, very powerful.) It also comes with the Studio program that let's you edit, crop, add shadows, callouts, torn-edge effects, etc. -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com Suggested headline for theonion.com: "In Final Trip to Beijing, Bush Calls on Premier to 'Tear Down This Wall'" -- Malcolm Fleschner, Palo Alto, Calif., in The Washington Post ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Vaguely OT: Graphics Editor Recommendations?
Mike Wickham wrote: > Lea, > > Line-art drawings are vector art. Adobe Illustrator is probably the favorite > program there, but there are similar programs. Just this week, someone > posted a link to a very cheap version of Xara Extreme, but you'd have to > hunt the archives for the link. > Here's what I posted: If you have a requirement to create illustrations but don't want to shell out megabucks for the big name programs, take a look at http://site.xara.com/offers/xaraxtreme/ I've been using Xara for several years, and find it to be a fantastic value (even having paid full price). The offer above is for the previous version, for only $19, available till the end of the month. You won't believe what this product can do. (No commercial interest in the company, just a very satisfied user.) -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com Suggested headline for theonion.com: "In Final Trip to Beijing, Bush Calls on Premier to 'Tear Down This Wall'" -- Malcolm Fleschner, Palo Alto, Calif., in The Washington Post ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
PDF Documentation
> German culture is much more green-minded than ours, so among our German > customers, especially in manufacturing, printed docs are anathema, proof > that we ignorant Americans will destroy our planet in short order. Huh? Is there is a shortage of trees in America? Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com
Framer's List issue
I've received an email from another list member whose posts aren't showing up on the list. I'd rather not end up forwarding a number of such messages to the list (I don't mind the few clicks it would take, but it's not something that should clog up the list). If you're posting to the list, but don't see your posts, please try the following: 1) Check the most recent archive to see if your posts are there. The archives are at: http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/ 2) If your posts _are_ in the archive, but you didn't receive them from the list, check your subscription options, using the personalized link you'll find near the bottom of list messages to you. It looks like this: http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/YourName%40YourDomai n One of the subscription options is "Receive your own posts to the list?" Another is "Avoid duplicate copies of messages?" These settings can affect whether you receive copies of messages you send to the list. 3) If your posts _aren't_ in the archive, did you get any error messages from the list (check spam folder)? Did you send HTML or RTF messages instead of plain text? (For security reasons, the list requires plain text.) 4) If it still isn't working for you, send a message explaining the problem and what you've done to listadmin at frameusers.com. If this is affecting a number of people, it's important that the admin know that. Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 --
PDF Documentation
In my experience (especially following recent conversations with our services guys), user preference for print vs PDF changes quite a lot with industry, country, and what the user's other product documentation is like. For example, in US hospitals, many users like the printed docs and see them as a sign of respect and our corporate ability as well as being a means to find intformation. German culture is much more green-minded than ours, so among our German customers, especially in manufacturing, printed docs are anathema, proof that we ignorant Americans will destroy our planet in short order. We normally ship a printed doc set with every purchase, but we are considering revising that, at least in the EMEA business area, to be a free option. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McDaniel Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 11:40 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: PDF Documentation Quick Survey: Is it your experience that users view PDF documentation on their computer display in preference to printing it for use? If so, by what ratio of view:print? Opinions and SWAGs are fine. Kelly M. McDaniel Senior Technical Writer Pavilion Technologies A Rockwell Automation Company ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as jsgammato at imprivata.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jsgammato%40imprivat a.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
PDF Documentation
I think it depends on whether it's task-oriented info or reference, and also on what the product is. If it's software, and it's task-oriented, I usually keep it on-screen while I'm doing something. If it's conceptual or reference doc, I'm more likely to print it. If it's hardware based, like how to install something -- either computer or, say, room lights, I'd expect it to be printed. Art Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Kelly McDaniel wrote: > Quick Survey: > > > > Is it your experience that users view PDF documentation on their > computer display in preference to printing it for use? > > If so, by what ratio of view:print? Opinions and SWAGs are fine. > > > > Kelly M. McDaniel > > Senior Technical Writer > > > > Pavilion Technologies > > A Rockwell Automation Company > > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
Slow File Loading in FM9
I've started playing with the FM9 trial, and I've noticed a change. Files load much more slowly for me. It's due to FM9 loading all graphics before it presents the first page. Previous FM versions presented the first page, and only loaded graphics for other pages if I actually scrolled to a page that had them. My files are graphically rich. So a file that used to take six seconds to load, now takes 47. Though loading of the file is very slow, paging through the file is now instantaneous. In previous FM versions, loading of the file was fast and paging (the first time) was slower, as graphics were loaded for that page. Now, file loading is slow and paging fast. I don't page through the file that much, so I prefer the old behavior. Does anyone know if there is a toggle for it somewhere? Mike Wickham ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
PDF Documentation
On 22 Jan 2009, at 9:55 AM, Art Campbell wrote: > If it's hardware based, like how to install something -- either > computer or, > say, room lights, I'd expect it to be printed. Just a few days ago, my MacBook Pro wouldn't finish booting. Fortunately, I had previously installed Applejack, printed the brief version of its instructions, and taped it to my desk. Thus I was able to quickly run it and fix the problem (a corrupted startup plist file). For products not related to getting the computer working, my first preference is professionally printed and bound documentation that I can leaf through. My second preference is a PDF on my machine, with a link to updated information online. Purely online documentation depends on having Web access, which isn't always available when traveling, in meetings, etc. Last choice is self-printed pages, which I find less handy to use than professional publications. -*"*-.,,.-*"*-.,,.-*"*-.,,.-*"*-.,,.-*"*-.,,.-*"*-.,,.-*"*? Ed Rush, Boise, Idaho ed at edrene.us http://edrene.us/
PDF Documentation
Hi Kelly, I am not sure about my users, but I prefer to read documentation on paper, so I usually print PDFs that I refer to often. I also like to read in the bathtub :-). Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com > Quick Survey: > > > > Is it your experience that users view PDF documentation on their > computer display in preference to printing it for use? > > If so, by what ratio of view:print? Opinions and SWAGs are fine. > > > > Kelly M. McDaniel > > Senior Technical Writer > > > > Pavilion Technologies > > A Rockwell Automation Company
RE: PDF Documentation
Scott Prentice wrote (in small part): >Searching in a PDF is a fairly useless > operation as well, which is > another reason I prefer to use other types > of online docs. Actually, I find Acrobat's search operation, with it's list of results showing some of the surrounding context, to be very useable in many cases. Just *my* $0.02... -Fred Ridder ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Questions about TCS2 and RoboHelp Server
Hi all, My company is considering buying the Technical Communications Suite 2 and Robohelp Server. However, we have two questions about it, that I haven't been able to find answers, too. I hope someone can help. 1. Over the long term, we want to transition our documentation into adobe air applications. However, the last I checked the adobe air add on for Robohelp only supported English. We need support for multiple languages, specifically Japanese. Does anyone know if RoboHelp 8 with AIR supports multiple languages and if so which ones? . 2. How does TCS 2 work with the RoboHelp Server? Do they integrate well? Is there support for multiple languages, including Japanese? What features would the RoboHelp Server give us with Air and without? What would be the benefits of having TCS 2 and Robohelp Server together? -- Sincerely, Joseph Lorenzini
Inserting a landscape page within a portrait layout document
Hi all, and sorry for the disturbance. I know this one has been dealt with a number of time, but I cannot perform a proper search in the Framers Archives (the site seems in maintenance). We work with Frame 6.0 on Unix and would like to insert a number of landscape pages within a document whose layout is exclusively "portrait". How should we proceed? Thank you very much for your help, Mathieu. _ T?l?phonez gratuitement ? tous vos proches avec Windows Live Messenger? !? T?l?chargez-le maintenant ! http://www.windowslive.fr/messenger/1.asp
Re: PDF Documentation
OK .. I'll add my 0.02 to this "survey" .. In general I hate reading PDFs on screen. When reading content on screen I much prefer doing so in an application that allows me to resize the window to suit my needs (typically HTML .. web browser or CHM), and the content flows to fit that window. If a PDF is intended for printing, it will usually be too big to be convenient on screen (assuming that I'm using this along with another application). If a PDF is optimized for on screen use (typically a smaller page size) it won't be very useful for printing. Also, if you provide a multi column layout (often nice for printed output), it becomes very difficult to use on screen. Some companies provide two versions of PDF docs, one for printing and one for on screen use .. I think that's a very nice thing to offer .. but would prefer that the on screen documentation be a more user-friendly format (CHM/HTML). Searching in a PDF is a fairly useless operation as well, which is another reason I prefer to use other types of online docs. Cheers, ...scott Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 Kelly McDaniel wrote: > Quick Survey: > > > > Is it your experience that users view PDF documentation on their > computer display in preference to printing it for use? > > If so, by what ratio of view:print? Opinions and SWAGs are fine. > > > > Kelly M. McDaniel > > Senior Technical Writer > > > > Pavilion Technologies > > A Rockwell Automation Company > > > > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
PDF Documentation
OK .. I'll add my 0.02 to this "survey" .. In general I hate reading PDFs on screen. When reading content on screen I much prefer doing so in an application that allows me to resize the window to suit my needs (typically HTML .. web browser or CHM), and the content flows to fit that window. If a PDF is intended for printing, it will usually be too big to be convenient on screen (assuming that I'm using this along with another application). If a PDF is optimized for on screen use (typically a smaller page size) it won't be very useful for printing. Also, if you provide a multi column layout (often nice for printed output), it becomes very difficult to use on screen. Some companies provide two versions of PDF docs, one for printing and one for on screen use .. I think that's a very nice thing to offer .. but would prefer that the on screen documentation be a more user-friendly format (CHM/HTML). Searching in a PDF is a fairly useless operation as well, which is another reason I prefer to use other types of online docs. Cheers, ...scott Scott Prentice Leximation, Inc. www.leximation.com +1.415.485.1892 Kelly McDaniel wrote: > Quick Survey: > > > > Is it your experience that users view PDF documentation on their > computer display in preference to printing it for use? > > If so, by what ratio of view:print? Opinions and SWAGs are fine. > > > > Kelly M. McDaniel > > Senior Technical Writer > > > > Pavilion Technologies > > A Rockwell Automation Company > > > >
Scrolling through files in a book
Jon, Could you provide all the environment info, please? OS, FM rev, files on servers, etc. Without that, the default behaviour is to go from page to page across file boundaries within a book. This assumes that the book has been updated since they were added, but I've not seen this not work. Thanks, Art Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Jon Harvey wrote: > Everyone, > > > > I have a book with several files in it. With the book open, there are > times when I can easily page up or down from one file to the next > throughout the book. There are other times that FM stops at either the > first or last page of a file and refuses to go any further. In these > cases, I often have to go back to the book file, save the file I want to > go to, close it, and reopen it. What gives? > > > > > > Jon Harvey > > Manager, Desktop & Enterprise Documentation > > CambridgeSoft Corporation > > 100 CambridgePark Drive > > Cambridge, MA 02140 > > (617) 588-9354 > > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
Percent symbol in FM equation
Linda, You wrote: >I suspect there's a simple answer, but I can't figure out how to insert a >percent symbol % into an equation using the FM equation editor. I use the >editor rarely and usually muddle my through. > >I'm re-creating an equation that was originally done in Word (I've already >tried copying that Word equation, saving it as a graphic, and importing it, >but it looks lousy). In the Equations palette, Symbols page: click the Start String button, then type any symbol/string (you can also type ' or " to start the string insertion) Shlomo Perets MicroType * http://www.microtype.com FrameMaker training & consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat TimeSavers "Improve Your FrameMaker Skills" live web-based training sessions
RE: Framer's List issue
I've received an email from another list member whose posts aren't showing up on the list. I'd rather not end up forwarding a number of such messages to the list (I don't mind the few clicks it would take, but it's not something that should clog up the list). If you're posting to the list, but don't see your posts, please try the following: 1) Check the most recent archive to see if your posts are there. The archives are at: http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/ 2) If your posts _are_ in the archive, but you didn't receive them from the list, check your subscription options, using the personalized link you'll find near the bottom of list messages to you. It looks like this: http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/YourName%40YourDomai n One of the subscription options is "Receive your own posts to the list?" Another is "Avoid duplicate copies of messages?" These settings can affect whether you receive copies of messages you send to the list. 3) If your posts _aren't_ in the archive, did you get any error messages from the list (check spam folder)? Did you send HTML or RTF messages instead of plain text? (For security reasons, the list requires plain text.) 4) If it still isn't working for you, send a message explaining the problem and what you've done to listad...@frameusers.com. If this is affecting a number of people, it's important that the admin know that. Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
New Adobe Technical Communication Suite 2 and newAdobeeLearningSuite
The following text is from the adobe site ( http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/features/?view=topnew) "Importing of comments from PDF files Easily gather and incorporate review comments from subject matter experts and other colleagues. Use the Track Text Edits feature and a new user interface to efficiently manage review processes." So it is possible according to the "new feature list". Best Regards, S?ren Rievers Principal Systems Development Engineer SiTel Semiconductor BV Het Zuiderkruis 53, 5215 MV 's-Hertogenbosch, The Netherlands Telephone: +31 (0)73 640 83 40 Fax:+31 (0)73 640 88 23 Mobile: +31 (0)6 11 36 18 54 Mailto:soeren.rievers at sitelsemi.com Internet http://www.sitelsemi.com This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is prohibited. If you are not the intended or authorized recipient please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. "Mike Wickham" Sent by: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 22-01-2009 01:40 To "Flato, Gillian" , cc Subject Re: New Adobe Technical Communication Suite 2 and newAdobeeLearningSuite >> I'm bummed out if it's true that the standalone version of FM9 doesn't >> share the integrated PDF review capability of TCS. I would really like >> that >> feature, but FM is the only product I need from that suite, since I have >> CS4 Design Premium. There's no way I'm going to pay $1299 to upgrade >> and then be forced into the more expensive upgrade path for future >> versions, too. > When you say integrated PDF review, do you mean that when someone > makes a comment on a PDF when in review, you can import those changes > and comments into the Frame file, instead of having to copy and paste them > and then edit your text? Yes. I just went back and looked at the online video. They are calling it "PDF shared review," but there is not one word of mention of it in the FM9 user guide, nor of the File> Save as PDF (Send For Review) menu item in FM9. I can see in my existing Acrobat 9 Pro an option to Send for Shared Review, so it's clear that I can send a PDF for review, and get back the changes, but not clear if the standalone version of FM9 can import the changes directly into FM9-- or if that's a feature available only in the TCS version of FM9. Mike Wickham ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as soeren.rievers at sitelsemi.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/soeren.rievers%40sitelsemi.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
Re: Vaguely OT: Graphics Editor Recommendations?
> I care for three kinds of graphics. > * Simple line-art drawings, similar to kindergarten mechanical > drawings > * Photos for inclusion in both printed and PDF media > * Software dialog screenshots for both printed and PDF media > > I'm running Vista with FM8.0. I'm considering upgrading to either TC2 or a > combination of FM9 and Acrobat 9 ProExt, depending on whether the latter > will support round-tripping PDFs in the review process. Lea, Line-art drawings are vector art. Adobe Illustrator is probably the favorite program there, but there are similar programs. Just this week, someone posted a link to a very cheap version of Xara Extreme, but you'd have to hunt the archives for the link. Photos are bitmaps. Adobe Photoshop is the standard. Make sure you get the full version, not Photoshop Elements. Elements doesn't handle CMYK, which you need for press. Corel makes Paint Shop Pro, and there are other third party choices. SnagIt is probably the far and away favorite for capturing screenshots. It's very powerful and inexpensive. In Windows, you can also use the Print Screen key on your keyboard. It captures the whole screen. Then you open a new file in Photoshop and hit Ctrl-V to paste the capture into Photoshop. You then will have to crop out the part of the view that you don't want. Then save the file. If you rarely need screen captures, this is enough. If you do it often, SnagIt lets you point to a window and it can capture only the window. You may also have a capability, depending on your graphic card. My Matrox graphic card lets me select a region for capture, by drawing a box. I'm not sure you need the extended version of Acrobat 9 Pro for the round-tripping of PDF comments. So you might want to look at one of the Creative Suites containing Photoshop, Illustrator, and Acrobat Pro. Mike Wickham ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
PDF Documentation
Hi Kelly, A quick check here says that our Asia-Pacific customers want DVDs. Customers who take our training ask for printed sets of manuals. Everyone else downloads the PDF. Hope this helps! Regards, Anne Urban Senior Technical Editor Altair Engineering Kelly McDaniel wrote: > Quick Survey: > > > > Is it your experience that users view PDF documentation on their > computer display in preference to printing it for use? > > If so, by what ratio of view:print? Opinions and SWAGs are fine. > > > > Kelly M. McDaniel > > Senior Technical Writer > > > > Pavilion Technologies > > A Rockwell Automation Company > > > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as agu at pbspro.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/agu%40pbspro.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Ctrl-Alt-u shortcut bug
Hi, Has anyone seen or got a solution to the Ctrl-Alt-u shortcut bug? When I use it, FM places a ? in front of the word following the selected text. Thanks, Heidi Bailey
Re: Vaguely OT: Graphics Editor Recommendations?
Lea, I concur with Art Campbell re: Photoshop/TCSuite2 and SnagIt for screen caps. For the line drawings, you should try a couple of open-source options: Dia (Windows download: http://dia-installer.de/index_en.html) for Visio-like diagrams Inkscape: (www.inkscape.org) for vector drawing (a la Illustrator and Corel Draw) No difficult learning curve, even for non-graphics people like me. Very nice results. Mike McCallister Technical Writing Consultant, Compuware Author, "openSUSE Linux Unleashed" -- at bookstores now! Notes from the Metaverse: http://metaverse.wordpress.com On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Lea Rush wrote: > Heya, > > I'd like to solicit opinions on graphic editors from the community. I'm in > a > grey area between graphics needs, and I could use some advice on the > appropriate editor. > > I care for three kinds of graphics. > * Simple line-art drawings, similar to kindergarten mechanical > drawings > * Photos for inclusion in both printed and PDF media > * Software dialog screenshots for both printed and PDF media > > I'm running Vista with FM8.0. I'm considering upgrading to either TC2 or a > combination of FM9 and Acrobat 9 ProExt, depending on whether the latter > will support round-tripping PDFs in the review process. > > Thoughts? Or perhaps a recommendation for a mailing list more appropriate > to > this question? > > Thanks much in advance, > Lea > > > > > > _ > > Lea Rush > Software and Documentation Specialist > Astoria-Pacific International > PO Box 830 Clackamas OR 97015 > PH: 800-657-3010 > FAX: 503-655-7367 > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as workingwri...@gmail.com. > > Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/workingwriter%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: PDF Documentation
Yes. : ) I like to both view it on the screen and print it out. And when I print it out, I generally like to print it double-sided on 3-hole punch paper and put it in a binder. Please keep that in mind if buy anything from your company. : ) Mike -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McDaniel Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 11:40 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: PDF Documentation Quick Survey: Is it your experience that users view PDF documentation on their computer display in preference to printing it for use? If so, by what ratio of view:print? Opinions and SWAGs are fine. Kelly M. McDaniel Senior Technical Writer Pavilion Technologies A Rockwell Automation Company ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as mike.feims...@acstechnologies.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/mike.feimster%40acst echnologies.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
There's still time to sign up for the free webinar next week
Sharon Burton wrote: > Sorry, guys. I swear I changed the subject line, but... I clearly > needed more coffee. Hi Sharon, It's a better idea to start a new thread with a new message, not a Reply. If I'm not mistaken, even if you edit the subject line, the header info retained in a Reply message can still cause the message to be sorted into its original thread topic in e-mail clients or archives. Starting a fresh topic with a New message command guarantees a new thread. Best regards, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com Suggested headline for theonion.com: "In Final Trip to Beijing, Bush Calls on Premier to 'Tear Down This Wall'" -- Malcolm Fleschner, Palo Alto, Calif., in The Washington Post
Re: PDF Documentation
On 22 Jan 2009, at 9:55 AM, Art Campbell wrote: > If it's hardware based, like how to install something -- either > computer or, > say, room lights, I'd expect it to be printed. Just a few days ago, my MacBook Pro wouldn't finish booting. Fortunately, I had previously installed Applejack, printed the brief version of its instructions, and taped it to my desk. Thus I was able to quickly run it and fix the problem (a corrupted startup plist file). For products not related to getting the computer working, my first preference is professionally printed and bound documentation that I can leaf through. My second preference is a PDF on my machine, with a link to updated information online. Purely online documentation depends on having Web access, which isn't always available when traveling, in meetings, etc. Last choice is self-printed pages, which I find less handy to use than professional publications. -*"*-.,,.-*"*-.,,.-*"*-.,,.-*"*-.,,.-*"*-.,,.-*"*-.,,.-*"*— Ed Rush, Boise, Idaho e...@edrene.us http://edrene.us/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: New Adobe Technical Communication Suite 2 and newAdobeeLearningSuite
John, I'm not positive because I haven't played with it yet myself, but I think the next step is to use Frame's Track Changes tool to Accept/Reject the delete / insert comments that you've imported. Art Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 1:40 PM, John Sgammato wrote: > It can. > I downloaded the FM9 demo and tested it last night. > I opened my Appliance Guide book and all chapters and generated the PDF > using the Save as PDF (Send for review)... Feature. > Then I opened the PDF and made some various edits (deletions, > insertions, sticky notes, and highlighting). > Then in the Book file, I imported PDF comments. The insert/delete > comments appeared as conditional text in different colors, and the two > sticky notes appeared as markers. > I do not see an MS Word-style "accept-reject comment" option, but it > will still save a lot of time to have them all in place for me. > > john > > -Original Message- > From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Sims > Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 1:05 PM > To: Mike Wickham > Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: New Adobe Technical Communication Suite 2 and > newAdobeeLearningSuite > > On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Mike Wickham > wrote: > > Yes. I just went back and looked at the online video. They are calling > > > it "PDF shared review," but there is not one word of mention of it in > > the FM9 user guide, nor of the File> Save as PDF (Send For Review) > menu item in FM9. > > I can see in my existing Acrobat 9 Pro an option to Send for Shared > > Review, so it's clear that I can send a PDF for review, and get back > > the changes, but not clear if the standalone version of FM9 can import > > > the changes directly into FM9-- or if that's a feature available only > > in the TCS version of FM9. > > > > Mike Wickham > > > According to the Adobe web site listing the new features of FM9, it can. > > http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/features/?view=topnew > > > -- > Lin Sims > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as jsgamm...@imprivata.com. > > Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jsgammato%40imprivat > a.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. > > Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
PDF Documentation
Quick Survey: Is it your experience that users view PDF documentation on their computer display in preference to printing it for use? If so, by what ratio of view:print? Opinions and SWAGs are fine. Kelly M. McDaniel Senior Technical Writer Pavilion Technologies A Rockwell Automation Company
RE: New Adobe Technical Communication Suite 2 and newAdobeeLearningSuite
It can. I downloaded the FM9 demo and tested it last night. I opened my Appliance Guide book and all chapters and generated the PDF using the Save as PDF (Send for review)... Feature. Then I opened the PDF and made some various edits (deletions, insertions, sticky notes, and highlighting). Then in the Book file, I imported PDF comments. The insert/delete comments appeared as conditional text in different colors, and the two sticky notes appeared as markers. I do not see an MS Word-style "accept-reject comment" option, but it will still save a lot of time to have them all in place for me. john -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin Sims Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 1:05 PM To: Mike Wickham Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: New Adobe Technical Communication Suite 2 and newAdobeeLearningSuite On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Mike Wickham wrote: > Yes. I just went back and looked at the online video. They are calling > it "PDF shared review," but there is not one word of mention of it in > the FM9 user guide, nor of the File> Save as PDF (Send For Review) menu item in FM9. > I can see in my existing Acrobat 9 Pro an option to Send for Shared > Review, so it's clear that I can send a PDF for review, and get back > the changes, but not clear if the standalone version of FM9 can import > the changes directly into FM9-- or if that's a feature available only > in the TCS version of FM9. > > Mike Wickham According to the Adobe web site listing the new features of FM9, it can. http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/features/?view=topnew -- Lin Sims ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as jsgamm...@imprivata.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jsgammato%40imprivat a.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
New Adobe Technical Communication Suite 2 and new, Adobe
Thus spake Doug Cuff : > I hope that FM9 will meet your needs. I also fear that it won't. Wow, what a pleasant surprise seeing your name on the Framers list! What have you been up to lately? Clearly it involves FrameMaker. :-) I started at Tecplot, a scientific data visualization software company, last July. This is my first gig using FrameMaker in several years, so I have only recently been lurking on the Framers list. -- Jerry Kindall, SDK Technical Writer Tecplot, Inc. | Enjoy The View Bellevue, Washington, USA
Re: Vaguely OT: Graphics Editor Recommendations?
Given that Photoshop is now bundled with TCS2, that would be my choice for most of your needs. I prefer SnagIt for screenshots because of its tighter integration; it has a rudimentary editor and Photoshop can do more serious work on the files it creates. For really simple line drawings, Photoshop works, but for most diagrams and such, I use Visio because it's quicker. Art Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Lea Rush wrote: > Heya, > > I'd like to solicit opinions on graphic editors from the community. I'm in > a > grey area between graphics needs, and I could use some advice on the > appropriate editor. > > I care for three kinds of graphics. > * Simple line-art drawings, similar to kindergarten mechanical > drawings > * Photos for inclusion in both printed and PDF media > * Software dialog screenshots for both printed and PDF media > > I'm running Vista with FM8.0. I'm considering upgrading to either TC2 or a > combination of FM9 and Acrobat 9 ProExt, depending on whether the latter > will support round-tripping PDFs in the review process. > > Thoughts? Or perhaps a recommendation for a mailing list more appropriate > to > this question? > > Thanks much in advance, > Lea > > > > > > _ > > Lea Rush > Software and Documentation Specialist > Astoria-Pacific International > PO Box 830 Clackamas OR 97015 > PH: 800-657-3010 > FAX: 503-655-7367 > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. > > Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Scrolling through files in a book
Everyone, I have a book with several files in it. With the book open, there are times when I can easily page up or down from one file to the next throughout the book. There are other times that FM stops at either the first or last page of a file and refuses to go any further. In these cases, I often have to go back to the book file, save the file I want to go to, close it, and reopen it. What gives? Jon Harvey Manager, Desktop & Enterprise Documentation CambridgeSoft Corporation 100 CambridgePark Drive Cambridge, MA 02140 (617) 588-9354
FW: Framer's List issue
I'm forwarding this to the list at Mark's request. -Original Message- From: Eichelberger, Mark [mailto:mark.eichelber...@aftech.fiserv.com] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:23 AM To: Combs, Richard Subject: Framer's List issue Richard, Hello. My name is Mark Eichelberger, and I was wondering if you could do me a favor. I am a registered user of the Framer's list and as recently as 1/6/09, I was able to successfully submit items to the list. In addition, I continue to receive emails from other posters to the list, including you. (I am set up to receive actual postings and not a digest format.) However, I have noticed that since Friday, 1/16/09, none of my submitted emails to framers at lists.frameusers.com have made it to the list. I have sent emails to the listadmin at frameusers.com mailbox explaining this issue, but I have not received any reply from the administrator of the list, so I am not sure if the admin has not received these emails or has just not gotten around to reading my emails. Since it appears that none of my emails are getting through to the list, I am asking if you could please post my dilemma to the group in the hope that someone has some idea on how to resolve this or to determine if others are also experiencing this issue. Thank you so very much, Mark Eichelberger Mark.eichelberger at aftech.fiserv.com Mark Eichelberger Senior Technical Writer mark.eichelberger at aftech.fiserv.com Office: 610.233.4000 x534 Fax: 610.233.4015 AFTECH Fiserv Credit Union Division 455 South Gulph Road, Suite 201 King of Prussia, PA 19406 The information transmitted may contain confidential material and is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete the information from your system and contact the sender.
Vaguely OT: Graphics Editor Recommendations?
Heya, I'd like to solicit opinions on graphic editors from the community. I'm in a grey area between graphics needs, and I could use some advice on the appropriate editor. I care for three kinds of graphics. * Simple line-art drawings, similar to kindergarten mechanical drawings * Photos for inclusion in both printed and PDF media * Software dialog screenshots for both printed and PDF media I'm running Vista with FM8.0. I'm considering upgrading to either TC2 or a combination of FM9 and Acrobat 9 ProExt, depending on whether the latter will support round-tripping PDFs in the review process. Thoughts? Or perhaps a recommendation for a mailing list more appropriate to this question? Thanks much in advance, Lea _ Lea Rush Software and Documentation Specialist Astoria-Pacific International PO Box 830 Clackamas OR 97015 PH: 800-657-3010 FAX: 503-655-7367 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Vaguely OT: Graphics Editor Recommendations?
Heya, I'd like to solicit opinions on graphic editors from the community. I'm in a grey area between graphics needs, and I could use some advice on the appropriate editor. I care for three kinds of graphics. * Simple line-art drawings, similar to kindergarten mechanical drawings * Photos for inclusion in both printed and PDF media * Software dialog screenshots for both printed and PDF media I'm running Vista with FM8.0. I'm considering upgrading to either TC2 or a combination of FM9 and Acrobat 9 ProExt, depending on whether the latter will support round-tripping PDFs in the review process. Thoughts? Or perhaps a recommendation for a mailing list more appropriate to this question? Thanks much in advance, Lea _ Lea Rush Software and Documentation Specialist Astoria-Pacific International PO Box 830 Clackamas OR 97015 PH: 800-657-3010 FAX: 503-655-7367
Re: New Adobe Technical Communication Suite 2 and newAdobeeLearningSuite
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 7:40 PM, Mike Wickham wrote: > Yes. I just went back and looked at the online video. They are calling it > "PDF shared review," but there is not one word of mention of it in the FM9 > user guide, nor of the File> Save as PDF (Send For Review) menu item in FM9. > I can see in my existing Acrobat 9 Pro an option to Send for Shared Review, > so it's clear that I can send a PDF for review, and get back the changes, > but not clear if the standalone version of FM9 can import the changes > directly into FM9-- or if that's a feature available only in the TCS version > of FM9. > > Mike Wickham According to the Adobe web site listing the new features of FM9, it can. http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/features/?view=topnew -- Lin Sims ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
TOOL: Very inexpensive alternative to Illustrator etc.
Kristy Nolan wrote: > Hi, Stuart! > > Do you happen to know if this will run on Mac? I can't find anything > about system requirements on their site. > Hi Kristy, A Mac version is under development in the open-source branch, http://www.xaraxtreme.org/ The Linux version is apparently almost finished. I'll copy the list on this message, since there may be others interested in those versions. best, -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com Suggested headline for theonion.com: "In Final Trip to Beijing, Bush Calls on Premier to 'Tear Down This Wall'" -- Malcolm Fleschner, Palo Alto, Calif., in The Washington Post
FW: Framer's List issue
I'm forwarding this to the list at Mark's request. -Original Message- From: Eichelberger, Mark [mailto:mark.eichelber...@aftech.fiserv.com] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 9:23 AM To: Combs, Richard Subject: Framer's List issue Richard, Hello. My name is Mark Eichelberger, and I was wondering if you could do me a favor. I am a registered user of the Framer's list and as recently as 1/6/09, I was able to successfully submit items to the list. In addition, I continue to receive emails from other posters to the list, including you. (I am set up to receive actual postings and not a digest format.) However, I have noticed that since Friday, 1/16/09, none of my submitted emails to framers@lists.frameusers.com have made it to the list. I have sent emails to the listad...@frameusers.com mailbox explaining this issue, but I have not received any reply from the administrator of the list, so I am not sure if the admin has not received these emails or has just not gotten around to reading my emails. Since it appears that none of my emails are getting through to the list, I am asking if you could please post my dilemma to the group in the hope that someone has some idea on how to resolve this or to determine if others are also experiencing this issue. Thank you so very much, Mark Eichelberger mark.eichelber...@aftech.fiserv.com Mark Eichelberger Senior Technical Writer mark.eichelber...@aftech.fiserv.com Office: 610.233.4000 x534 Fax: 610.233.4015 AFTECH Fiserv Credit Union Division 455 South Gulph Road, Suite 201 King of Prussia, PA 19406 The information transmitted may contain confidential material and is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete the information from your system and contact the sender. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: How can I search for bold text and change it to a character style?
(Sorry if this is 2 days after the question, but I've been on vacation.) You can also get Rick Quattro's Find/Change Special plugin, which can search for a character style and replace it with another character style (amongst other things). On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Fred Ridder wrote: > > Responding to Avi's question, Art Campbell wrote: > >> Create a character style with the correct attributes. >> Apply it to something. >> Copy Special > Character Style. >> Find, specifying the bold text, and replace by pasting. > > Note that the Copy Special is Character *Format* rather than > Character *Style*, and that's actually an important distinction. > When you use Copy Special, FrameMaker copies all of the current > selections font format characteristics, including the explicit font > and size settings as well as the character tag that you really > want to propagate. If you copy the format from a chunk of > body text (for example, 11 pt TNR bold with the Bold character > tag applied) and then paste onto a selection in a heading (say > 14 pt Helvetica non-bold), you will get a chunk of 11 pt TNR > in the middle of that heading. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
FM 9 - Sort Order for Paragraphs, F8/F9 keyboard shortcuts
OK. Can anyone confirm if the other commands are lost too? Such as the meta key commands? I can't install this new version onto my old computer. Alan
Re: PDF Documentation
> German culture is much more green-minded than ours, so among our German > customers, especially in manufacturing, printed docs are anathema, proof > that we ignorant Americans will destroy our planet in short order. Huh? Is there is a shortage of trees in America? Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: PDF Documentation
In my experience (especially following recent conversations with our services guys), user preference for print vs PDF changes quite a lot with industry, country, and what the user's other product documentation is like. For example, in US hospitals, many users like the printed docs and see them as a sign of respect and our corporate ability as well as being a means to find intformation. German culture is much more green-minded than ours, so among our German customers, especially in manufacturing, printed docs are anathema, proof that we ignorant Americans will destroy our planet in short order. We normally ship a printed doc set with every purchase, but we are considering revising that, at least in the EMEA business area, to be a free option. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McDaniel Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 11:40 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: PDF Documentation Quick Survey: Is it your experience that users view PDF documentation on their computer display in preference to printing it for use? If so, by what ratio of view:print? Opinions and SWAGs are fine. Kelly M. McDaniel Senior Technical Writer Pavilion Technologies A Rockwell Automation Company ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as jsgamm...@imprivata.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jsgammato%40imprivat a.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Percent symbol in FM equation
That worked. Not sure I would have ever figured that out on my own. Thanks much! ~ Linda G. Gallagher TechCom Plus, LLC lindag at techcomplus dot com www.techcomplus.com 303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144 User guides, online help, FrameMaker and WebWorks ePublisher templates -Original Message- From: Shlomo Perets [mailto:shlo...@microtype.com] Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 2:24 AM To: lindag at techcomplus.com; framers at frameusers.com Subject: Re: Percent symbol in FM equation Linda, You wrote: >I suspect there's a simple answer, but I can't figure out how to insert a >percent symbol % into an equation using the FM equation editor. I use the >editor rarely and usually muddle my through. > >I'm re-creating an equation that was originally done in Word (I've already >tried copying that Word equation, saving it as a graphic, and importing it, >but it looks lousy). In the Equations palette, Symbols page: click the Start String button, then type any symbol/string (you can also type ' or " to start the string insertion) Shlomo Perets MicroType * http://www.microtype.com FrameMaker training & consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat TimeSavers "Improve Your FrameMaker Skills" live web-based training sessions
