FM9 show stoppers

[Alan Litchfield]

Kelly McDaniel wrote:
> "A third great annoyance:
> The new buttons are gray in normal state and coloured if hovered over."
>
> I thought that maybe I was too picky, but this bothers me, too.
>

Just about this, I thought that in 'normal' UI design terms a button is greyed
out if it is *not* available in that context and is coloured if it *is*. So
the widgets may be available, or not, but in either instance they are greyed
out until you hover over them?

Alan

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Importing Multi Page Tiffs, How ??

[Alan Litchfield]

Multi-page tiffs are pretty common really.

I remember replying to this, so I am not certain why it has come up again. But
anyway I suggested opening the tiff in an application that supports multi-page
tiffs (probably *not* Photoshop) and print the file to PDF (press-quality
settings if you want to print it). This produces a multi-page PDf which can be
easily imported into FM.

Alan

Art Campbell wrote:
> Richard,
> I think you may have uncovered a rare bug. I hadn't ever seen a multi-page
> TIF before... and I bet the coders hadn't either. I'd expect Frame to treat
> it as a multi-page PDF and prompt you to select which page to display.
>
> May be worth opening a bug on it.
>
> The only work-around I can suggest is to either cut the TIF into single
> pages with something like Photoshop or create a PDF from it, so you can
> select which page to display.
>
> Art
>
> Art Campbell
>  art.campbell at gmail.com
>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a
> redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>  No disclaimers apply.
>   DoD 358
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Richard Melanson
> wrote:
>
>> I posted this yesterday and was just wondering if anyone received it,
>> thank you.
>>
>> Hello Framers,
>>
>> I have spent the last couples of hours trying to find an answer to this
>> question. I am importing by reference TIFFs into a Framemaker 8 file.
>> The TIFFs are a single file with multiple pages, but Frame is only
>> importing the first page. What am I missing here, I sure hope this is
>> not embarrassingly easy answer. Thank you for any help you can give me.
>>
>> Rick
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[Fwd: RE: Importing Multi Page Tiffs, How ??]

[Alan Litchfield]

OK. Leave the tiff. Don't delete it or change its name ;)

Print it to PDF and use that by reference in your Frame document. When the
tiff is updated, update the pdf. There are no other changes that need to be
made to the file.

Cheers
Alan

Richard Melanson wrote:
> Thank you all very much for responding to my question.
>
> One important fact I may have left out, I am importing the TIFF by
> reference and I do NOT have any control over the Master I am importing.
> I cannot convert it, dissect it, etc  :-)  My hands are tied, I have to
> use the tiff as it exists on my network.
>



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Alan Litchfield MBus (Hons), MNZCS
AlphaByte
PO Box 1941, Auckland
http://www.alphabyte.co.nz

Importing Multi Page Tiffs, How ??

[Alan Litchfield]

If you were on a Mac I would say to just use Preview ;)

However on Windows, Corel products handle and write to Multi-page tiff (which
is where I have had them produced from by various clients). Otherwise there
are (and in all cases YMMV, of course):
http://www.informatik.com/imagistik.html
http://www.tiffviewer.com/multipage-tif-viewer.htm
http://www.softpedia.com/progMoreBy/Publisher-Compact-Data-Management-Ltd-40007.html
http://www.brothersoft.com/downloads/multi_page-tiff-viewer.html
http://www.blackice.com/TIFFViewer.htm
...


Cheers
Alan

Jacob Sch?ffer wrote:
> Although the TIFF format supports multiple pages there aren't many
> applications out there supporting the multi-page flavor. Adobe Photoshop
> doesn't, I believe (I haven't tested with CS3 or newer) -- even though the
> TIFF spec is published by Adobe. The likely reason is that multiple-page
> TIFF has a completely different purpose than TIFF for graphic arts
> production.
>


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Importing Multi Page Tiffs, How ??

[Jacob Schäffer]

Thanks for the brush-up, Alan.

I stand corrected :-) 

Best regards / Med venlig hilsen
Jacob Sch?ffer  |  Chief Developer


Grafikhuset (House of Graphics)
Paradis All? 22, Raml?se
DK-3200 Helsinge, Denmark
Phone: +45 4439 4400
Email: js at grafikhuset.dk
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Importing Multi Page Tiffs, How ??

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

That's a stupid Engineering Department. Maybe they should learn
something about engineering -- or just leave the company. ;-)

Even Boeing, when they were distributing CGM graphic with some of
their documentation around 1996, they had these sometimes bundled into
one file to save space. They had the decency to ship a script and
instructions to split the file. So should your ED. Absolutely. Or,
rather do the splitting or changing to pdf themselves.

Not being able to choose a certain tiff page is not a bug in FM. It is
only lack of features. You cannot have everything in one application.

There is a number of apps that can split tiffs out there, some are
expensive some are inexpensive, some even free. Years ago I used the
GPL tiff2pdf utility (console utility, or command line utility as it
is probably called by Windows/DOS enthusiasts). It is very fast and
effective. It will just read the tiff file and output a pdf file. See:
http://www.remotesensing.org/libtiff/man/tiff2pdf.1.html

Best regards,

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

2009/1/26 Richard Melanson :
> An update or maybe a summation :-)
> The TIFF files I have been referring to are controlled by our
> Engineering Department. I reach out to a network drive and import by
> reference the TIFFs Engineering makes available. I cannot do anything to
> the TIFFs but import them! So unless I can find a way for Framemaker to
> see all the pages in the TIFF files, I am dead in the water.
>
> Thank you all for the great suggestions, lets hope someone can pull the
> rabbit out of the TIFF, aahhh, I mean hat!!  :-)
> Rick
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Owen, Clint
> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 5:53 PM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Importing Multi Page Tiffs, How ??
>
> Some of our older scanned documents are multi-page TIFFs. I keep a copy
> of Paperport Deluxe (version 7.0, that came with a long gone scanner) on
> my computer solely because it can split these files into individual
> graphics.
>
> Clint
>
>
> Clinton Owen | Senior Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace & Electronics |
> Telephone: +1 425-743-8674 | Fax: +1 425-743-8113
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alan
> Litchfield
> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:04 PM
> To: Art Campbell
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Richard Melanson
> Subject: Re: Importing Multi Page Tiffs, How ??
>
> Multi-page tiffs are pretty common really.
>
> I remember replying to this, so I am not certain why it has come up
> again. But anyway I suggested opening the tiff in an application that
> supports multi-page tiffs (probably *not* Photoshop) and print the file
> to PDF (press-quality settings if you want to print it). This produces a
> multi-page PDf which can be easily imported into FM.
>
> Alan
>
> Art Campbell wrote:
>> Richard,
>> I think you may have uncovered a rare bug. I hadn't ever seen a
>> multi-page TIF before... and I bet the coders hadn't either. I'd
>> expect Frame to treat it as a multi-page PDF and prompt you to select
> which page to display.
>>
>> May be worth opening a bug on it.
>>
>> The only work-around I can suggest is to either cut the TIF into
>> single pages with something like Photoshop or create a PDF from it, so
>
>> you can select which page to display.
>>
>> Art
>>
>> Art Campbell
>>  art.campbell at gmail.com
>>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
>
>> and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>>  No disclaimers
> apply.
>>   DoD 358
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Richard Melanson
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I posted this yesterday and was just wondering if anyone received it,
>
>>> thank you.
>>>
>>> Hello Framers,
>>>
>>> I have spent the last couples of hours trying to find an answer to
>>> this question. I am importing by reference TIFFs into a Framemaker 8
> file.
>>> The TIFFs are a single file with multiple pages, but Frame is only
>>> importing the first page. What am I missing here, I sure hope this is
>
>>> not embarrassingly easy answer. Thank you for any help you can give
> me.
>>>
>>> Rick
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FM9 show stoppers

[Michael Müller-Hillebrand]

Am 23.01.2009 um 12:20 schrieb Klaus Daube:

> The second one is a tough experience:
> Backspace has become a nightmare on my 3MHz machine with 4GB of RAM. I
> can not correct input in the usual manner, because i have typed to  
> many
> times until the program reacts! Do I need to switch off UNDO (which is
> not possible)? I have already switched off "show warnings while
> cleaning history", "Checkout HTTP...", "Upload HTTP..." in  
> preferences.
>
> Also the arrow keys - used for example, to extend a selection - a-r- 
> e-v-
> e-r-y-s-l-o-w! This is NOT an issue of my machine - no other program
> has this behaviour.


Klaus,

Can you create a test scenario? What pods are open? Maybe with one of  
the template documents that ship with the product?

When using the default "Authoring" workspace setup I cannot see the  
typing and selection slowdowns you experience. And I run WinXP in a  
virtual machine...

- Michael

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Find and Replace Paragraph Format Feature

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Hi Mark,

You don't mention the amount of files involved.

If the files involved are not too many, just changing the format name
in the Pgf format catalog (or global change) should do the trick.
Another option is to MIF the files and search/replace the format name
in a text editor.

A FrameScript script can be used to speed this up, but then you would
have to have FrameScript installed.

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

2009/1/21 Eichelberger, Mark :
> Folks,
>
> We noticed that when we generated the html output of our FM source files
> using ePublisher, the fonts for some of our paragraph formats were
> altered.  We looked at the Cascading Style Sheet and noticed that
> paragraph formats that contained a period in the format name came across
> in the css with the value '002e' substituted for the period.  When we
> looked into ePublisher's help we discovered the warning from ePublisher
> that paragraph format names should not contains periods as they cause
> issues when the css is created.
>
> So we now realize we have to create new paragraph formats in Frame that
> do not have any periods in the names.
>
> Does anyone know if there is a find and replace feature in Frame that
> would allow us to replace text tagged with the offending paragraph
> format to use another paragraph format that has a supported format name.
>
>
> Mark Eichelberger
>
> Senior Technical Writer
>
> mark.eichelberger at aftech.fiserv.com
>
>
>
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Outline

[David Spreadbury]

Don,
Sandybrooke software (http://www.sandybrook.com/) has an Outline tool add-on
that works within Framemaker.

Dave Spreadbury

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Donlad W. Spencer
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:47 PM
To: Framers (E-mail)
Subject: Outline

Framer Folks:

As I develop my personally written book in FrameMaker 7.2, especially since
I have learned to create hot key macros in the customization files, there is
only one thing about MS Word that I miss - Outline View.

The ability to reduce the book to an outline and manipulate that outline is
most convenient, and good old solid FrameMaker offers nothing like that,
except the ability to change chapter positions within a book.

Has anybody ever written a 3rd party program that offers something akin to
Outline View? Would be nice.

~ Don Spencer

donandjudy1 at earthlink.net
beamwardpublications at earthlink.net
www.doortrix.com

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Outline

[Art Campbell]

Someone (or a company) was playing with an idea that would assign different
levels of a doc to a conditional text setting or series of settings, so you
could hide or reveal the different levels, outline style. Script driven, I
think. Possibly Framescript guru Rick Quatro... (Rick, was that you?), but I
wasn't interested enough to follow up. But if you haven't already hit
Google, it may reveal who it was and whether it got beyond the idea/concept
stage.

Art

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redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
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On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 6:19 AM, David Spreadbury wrote:

> Don,
> Sandybrooke software (http://www.sandybrook.com/) has an Outline tool
> add-on
> that works within Framemaker.
>
> Dave Spreadbury
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Donlad W.
> Spencer
> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:47 PM
> To: Framers (E-mail)
> Subject: Outline
>
> Framer Folks:
>
> As I develop my personally written book in FrameMaker 7.2, especially since
> I have learned to create hot key macros in the customization files, there
> is
> only one thing about MS Word that I miss - Outline View.
>
> The ability to reduce the book to an outline and manipulate that outline is
> most convenient, and good old solid FrameMaker offers nothing like that,
> except the ability to change chapter positions within a book.
>
> Has anybody ever written a 3rd party program that offers something akin to
> Outline View? Would be nice.
>
> ~ Don Spencer
>
> donandjudy1 at earthlink.net
> beamwardpublications at earthlink.net
> www.doortrix.com
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Outline

[Etzel, Gary]

FrameMaker already does have an "outline" view, but you need to be using
structured FrameMaker to get it. In unstructured FrameMaker, there is
absolutely no difference between a Heading1 and a Heading2, or a
Heading2 and a Note. You may have it all organized in your mind, but
FrameMaker knows nothing about that. It's all just a bunch of different
paragraph formats with different fonts and colors. To turn that into an
outline, you need to define the relationships between one paragraph and
other, in a way that FrameMaker can understand. That's basically what
structured FrameMaker is all about. Once you do that, and you've spent
some time working in FrameMaker's Structure View window, you'll never
want to go back.

Hope that helps,

Gary


-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Donlad W.
Spencer
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:47 PM
To: Framers (E-mail)
Subject: Outline

Framer Folks:

As I develop my personally written book in FrameMaker 7.2, especially
since
I have learned to create hot key macros in the customization files,
there is
only one thing about MS Word that I miss - Outline View.

The ability to reduce the book to an outline and manipulate that outline
is
most convenient, and good old solid FrameMaker offers nothing like that,
except the ability to change chapter positions within a book.

Has anybody ever written a 3rd party program that offers something akin
to
Outline View? Would be nice.

~ Don Spencer

donandjudy1 at earthlink.net
beamwardpublications at earthlink.net
www.doortrix.com


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Off List

[John Sgammato]

That was a quote from my German sales engineer describing the feeling of 
customers he knows. Whether he was exaggerating or not, I don't know, but it is 
a faithful report of what was said. I should have put everything from 
"ignorant" to "order" in quotes. My apologies.



From: Dan Harding [mailto:dhard...@uiuc.edu]
Sent: Tue 1/27/2009 8:22 AM
To: John Sgammato; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Off List



No, you decided to make the discussion political when you introduced the
following:

"proof that we ignorant Americans will destroy our planet in short order."

That's incendiary rhetoric, and utterly unnecessary and off-topic.


-Dan

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of John Sgammato
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 9:44 AM
To: Kelly McDaniel; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Off List

As I recall, this was a voyage of several steps.

I replied to your innocent question with some anecdotal evidence that PDFs
are seen are "green" in Germany, and printed manuals as actively
"anti-green".

Later, a third responder observed that trees are plentiful in the US, which
led to the way off-topic discussion that got us here.

IMO, it is somewhat inevitable that a political opinion will be expressed
here from time to time, and the solution is to respond to it directly rather
than to the list.

john


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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McDaniel
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 10:19 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Off List

I fear mine may have been the initial post that started the green
discussion. For that, please accept my apology.

The question I asked, though not directly related to FrameMaker, was more in
the venue of how PDFs were used without any green subtext. The point of the
issue is that I am attempting to move a PDF-only corporate habit into an
online delivery paradigm. To that end, I received many off-list responses
from folks I consider to be tops in the field. For that, I am
grateful...regards, Kelly.

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bodvar
Bjorgvinsson
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 3:20 AM
To: Howard Rauch
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Off List

Howard,

I agree: this is a quality list. :-)

This list has never, and in my view, should not be limiting itself to
technical solutions regarding FM problems, although this will always be the
main issue. There is so much more about FM than that, mainly because of how
different FM is to most publishing software. One of the main questions is
about when FM is applicable and when not. A subquestion could be about the
"greens" as you call it. Discussion of that can be helpful in order to
decide how much weight one should put on the single-sourcing capabilities of
FM. So I would think it is a valid question on this list.

I'd rather keep things the way they have been for the six years I have been
on the list than having to try to search through a plethora of lists
discussing this or that border product of what would be "allowable" on the
FM list. It saves me a lot of time.

There have, from time to time, come up issues on the list that are totally
not related to FM or the list as a list. These issues have been dealt with
by the other framers and sometimes the list manager.

Thanks to all Framers on the list throughout the years. :-)

And, don't misunderstand me: I think your point qualifies as a valid point
for the list to discuss:
"What does and should the list stand for?"

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

2009/1/25 Howard Rauch :
> One of the qualities of this list that I have always considered
important was that it was devoted to the best ways for using FrameMaker
whether for solving problems or evaluating its use. I have subscribed to
other lists and discontinued them because so many of the participants were
pushing their own personal agendas (I call them "whiners") as opposed to the
purpose of the list.
>
> I have personally noted that a few have been pursuing the green agenda
as of late (myself included) whether pro-green or anti-green. The
questionnaire about printing user manuals itself promoted neither agenda,
but (1) it has promoted a good deal of controversial responses on both sides
of the green issue and (2) it was not really a FrameMaker issue.
>
> My point is this: When any of us submit anything to the FrameMaker
list, let's make sure it deals with the use of FrameMaker and not with
personal issues.
>
> Howard Rauch
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Outline

[Hedley Finger]

Don:

> As I develop my personally written book in FrameMaker 7.2, especially since
> I have learned to create hot key macros in the customization files, there is
> only one thing about MS Word that I miss ? Outline View.
>
> Has anybody ever written a 3rd party program that offers something akin to
> Outline View? Would be nice.

Look for Enhance for FrameMaker by Sandybrook Software. You can create 
an outline, promote/demote, cut and paste, drag sections, etc. and it 
all works with the paragraph styles you have currently designed and the 
virtual nesting of those heading style formats. Unfortunately, at this 
point it only works file by file.

Regards,
Hedley

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Find and Replace Paragraph Format Feature

[Eichelberger, Mark]

Bodvar,
It is hundreds of FM files.  We did decide to go with a plugin to find
and replace the paragraph tags.

Thanks.
Mark

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From: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [mailto:bod...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:17 AM
To: Eichelberger, Mark
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Find and Replace Paragraph Format Feature

Hi Mark,

You don't mention the amount of files involved.

If the files involved are not too many, just changing the format name
in the Pgf format catalog (or global change) should do the trick.
Another option is to MIF the files and search/replace the format name
in a text editor.

A FrameScript script can be used to speed this up, but then you would
have to have FrameScript installed.

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

2009/1/21 Eichelberger, Mark :
> Folks,
>
> We noticed that when we generated the html output of our FM source
files
> using ePublisher, the fonts for some of our paragraph formats were
> altered.  We looked at the Cascading Style Sheet and noticed that
> paragraph formats that contained a period in the format name came
across
> in the css with the value '002e' substituted for the period.  When we
> looked into ePublisher's help we discovered the warning from
ePublisher
> that paragraph format names should not contains periods as they cause
> issues when the css is created.
>
> So we now realize we have to create new paragraph formats in Frame
that
> do not have any periods in the names.
>
> Does anyone know if there is a find and replace feature in Frame that
> would allow us to replace text tagged with the offending paragraph
> format to use another paragraph format that has a supported format
name.
>
>
> Mark Eichelberger
>
> Senior Technical Writer
>
> mark.eichelberger at aftech.fiserv.com
>
>
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"It is impossible to make anything foolproof because fools are so
ingenious."
 -- Edsel Murphy, dec.

Outline

[qui...@airmail.net]

Exactly! Gary has hit it on the head. What you are referring to 
doing, Hedley, is operating in a structured environment. Outlining is 
an early method used to provide structure to data. SGML and XML are 
later methods to do that.

FrameMaker in Structured mode does it quite well.

Scott

At 8:29 AM -0500 1/27/09, Etzel, Gary wrote:
>FrameMaker already does have an "outline" view, but you need to be using
>structured FrameMaker to get it. In unstructured FrameMaker, there is
>absolutely no difference between a Heading1 and a Heading2, or a
>Heading2 and a Note. You may have it all organized in your mind, but
>FrameMaker knows nothing about that. It's all just a bunch of different
>paragraph formats with different fonts and colors. To turn that into an
>outline, you need to define the relationships between one paragraph and
>other, in a way that FrameMaker can understand. That's basically what
>structured FrameMaker is all about. Once you do that, and you've spent
>some time working in FrameMaker's Structure View window, you'll never
>want to go back.
>
>Hope that helps,
>
>Gary
>

Automating the import of multi-page PDFs

[Pinkham, Jim]

Quite so, Richard, and no offense. I think the manual process you
described yesterday with the anchored frame and the multiple copies
would get the job done well, especially for docs that are usually no
more than a few dozen pages. I only meant that I've never found a tool
that would automate the process of taking a PDF of multiple pages and
bringing those pages into FM. Your advice is good, and I agree that
splitting is superfluous for the process you describe.

Jim



-Original Message-
From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com] 
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 5:16 PM
To: Pinkham, Jim
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Automating the import of multi-page PDFs


Pinkham, Jim wrote: 

> As for the direct import issue, I went back and searched the archives 
> and found the discussion in October 2006, but couldn't find a
definitive
> answer to the direct import of multiple-page PDFs into Frame. You 
> suggested the alternative approach of the RTF for the text at that 
> point, too, along with a second trip through with a PNG export to take

> care of the graphics. This makes sense, and long term, I agree it's 
> better to have content you can edit and reuse than to have it 
> constrained in PDFs.

I believe Chris said the report pages must look _exactly_ like they do
in the PDF, so editing isn't really relevant for his problem, and
reformatting RTF to replicate what already exists seems like needless
extra work. 

Maybe I'm confused about what you mean by "a definitive answer to the
direct import of multiple-page PDFs into Frame." I like to think my
earlier post provided a fairly definitive answer -- I've done it
numerous times, and it works great. :-)

> A quick search
>
(http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&fkt=3213&fsdt=46573&q=import+(multip
>
age+OR+multi-page+OR+multiple+page)+PDFs+into+(FM+OR+Framemaker)&btnG=Go
> ogle+Search&aq=o&oq=) suggests there are tools out there that will
split
> up a PDF into individual pages (see, for instance, the splitter and 
> merger tools on Planet PDF), but I didn't find a batch import tool in 
> the same quick glance.

Splitting up a multi-page PDF serves no useful purpose in this context.
For the manual (but fast) process I described earlier, it would be
counterproductive, since it would require the extra step of browsing to
a different file for each import operation -- much more time-consuming
than simply typing a page number. 

And I can't imagine a script- or macro-based process where separate
files would be an advantage, either. 

"It's my opinion and it's very true."

Richard


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Off List

[John Sgammato]

"ignorant Americans will destroy our planet in short order" was a quote
from my German sales engineer. He had related to me the feeling among
some of his customers about hardcopy documentation. It was not a
political statement of any kind; it was an example of a factor to
consider when deciding whether or not to provide printed documentation
in addition to PDF.

The relative availability of trees in the US took us off-topic.  


-Original Message-
From: Dan Harding [mailto:dhard...@uiuc.edu] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:22 AM
To: John Sgammato; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Off List

No, you decided to make the discussion political when you introduced the
following:

"proof that we ignorant Americans will destroy our planet in short
order."

That's incendiary rhetoric, and utterly unnecessary and off-topic. 


-Dan

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of John Sgammato
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 9:44 AM
To: Kelly McDaniel; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Off List

As I recall, this was a voyage of several steps. 

I replied to your innocent question with some anecdotal evidence that
PDFs are seen are "green" in Germany, and printed manuals as actively
"anti-green". 

Later, a third responder observed that trees are plentiful in the US,
which led to the way off-topic discussion that got us here. 

IMO, it is somewhat inevitable that a political opinion will be
expressed here from time to time, and the solution is to respond to it
directly rather than to the list.

john


-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
McDaniel
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 10:19 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Off List

I fear mine may have been the initial post that started the green
discussion. For that, please accept my apology.

The question I asked, though not directly related to FrameMaker, was
more in the venue of how PDFs were used without any green subtext. The
point of the issue is that I am attempting to move a PDF-only corporate
habit into an online delivery paradigm. To that end, I received many
off-list responses from folks I consider to be tops in the field. For
that, I am grateful...regards, Kelly.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bodvar
Bjorgvinsson
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 3:20 AM
To: Howard Rauch
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Off List

Howard,

I agree: this is a quality list. :-)

This list has never, and in my view, should not be limiting itself to
technical solutions regarding FM problems, although this will always be
the main issue. There is so much more about FM than that, mainly because
of how different FM is to most publishing software. One of the main
questions is about when FM is applicable and when not. A subquestion
could be about the "greens" as you call it. Discussion of that can be
helpful in order to decide how much weight one should put on the
single-sourcing capabilities of FM. So I would think it is a valid
question on this list.

I'd rather keep things the way they have been for the six years I have
been on the list than having to try to search through a plethora of
lists discussing this or that border product of what would be
"allowable" on the FM list. It saves me a lot of time.

There have, from time to time, come up issues on the list that are
totally not related to FM or the list as a list. These issues have been
dealt with by the other framers and sometimes the list manager.

Thanks to all Framers on the list throughout the years. :-)

And, don't misunderstand me: I think your point qualifies as a valid
point for the list to discuss:
"What does and should the list stand for?"

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

2009/1/25 Howard Rauch :
> One of the qualities of this list that I have always considered
important was that it was devoted to the best ways for using FrameMaker
whether for solving problems or evaluating its use. I have subscribed to
other lists and discontinued them because so many of the participants
were pushing their own personal agendas (I call them "whiners") as
opposed to the purpose of the list.
>
> I have personally noted that a few have been pursuing the green agenda
as of late (myself included) whether pro-green or anti-green. The
questionnaire about printing user manuals itself promoted neither
agenda, but (1) it has promoted a good deal of controversial responses
on both sides of the green issue and (2) it was not really a FrameMaker
issue.
>
> My point is this: When any of us submit anything to the FrameMaker
list, let's make sure it deals with the use of FrameMaker and not with
personal issues.
>
> Howard Rauch
>
> Technology Transfer, Inc.
> "Linking Creators and Users of Technology"
> 933 North 18th S

Outline

[Combs, Richard]

Hedley Finger wrote:

> Look for Enhance for FrameMaker by Sandybrook Software. You can create
> an outline, promote/demote, cut and paste, drag sections, etc. and it
> all works with the paragraph styles you have currently designed and
the
> virtual nesting of those heading style formats. Unfortunately, at this
> point it only works file by file.

I'll second that. Enhance is a great addition to your FM tool chest. I
don't know if there's an FM8/9-compatible version, though. 

That said, Gary Etzel made a great point regarding structure. One of
these days, I'm really going to get serious about learning to work with
structured docs... 

Richard


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PDF Documentation

[Shlomo Perets]

Kelly,

You wrote:

>Quick Survey:
>
>Is it your experience that users view PDF documentation on their
>computer display in preference to printing it for use? ...

Other than personal preferences and the type of content, key factors are
-- the extent to which the PDF is "screen friendly" (typography, layout)
-- on-screen added value offered in the PDF, including effective 
cross-document search and navigation, multimedia, user input mechanisms

Some nice examples of screen-optimized design are:
* 
http://contact.tm.agilent.com/data/static/downloads/eng/Notes/interactive/an-95-1/an-95-1.pdf
* 
http://contact.tm.agilent.com/data/static/downloads/eng/Notes/interactive/an-150-1/hp-am-fm.pdf
(produced 12 years ago, with Acrobat 2!)
[ or see current PDFs at http://ChangeThis.com/archives  ]

On the other hand, 
http://www.adobe.com/devnet/framemaker/pdfs/MIF_Reference.pdf is clearly 
print-oriented (even though labelled "Online Manual").


Shlomo Perets

MicroType * FrameMaker training & consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat 
TimeSavers

30 Easy Ways to Improve PDFs with TimeSavers/Assistants: 
http://www.microtype.com/ImprovePDF.html

Frame 9: improved CMYK

[Mike H]

Hmm -
what does the 'improved CMYK support' in Frame 9 entail? MY CMYK
colour definitions (Pantone Process) still get converted to RGB if I
set the joboptions to, 'leave colour as is.' - And I just note that p.
446 of the manual still says that the default is CMYK -> RGB
conversion. However, the next paragraph tells me: "if you deselect
this option [which one?] Framemaker preserves CMYK colours." What am I
missing, what option can I deselect to preserve my CMYK views (I only
import *.eps, so that's not the issue.)?

I know that in the pdf joboptions I can turn on, "convert all colours
to cmyk", but that gives me CMYK (colour 'view') -> RGB -> CMYK, and
my Pantone percentages get all mixed up in the process. How do I
preserve my CMYK colour definitions without going through RGB?

Cheers,
Mike

-
Michael Heine
London, ON
Canada

Outline

[Terry Smith]

Don Spencer wrote:
> Has anybody ever written a 3rd party program that offers something akin to
> Outline View? Would be nice.

Yes! Enhance gives you an outline view of your FrameMaker document. It's 
wonderful for reorganizing large documents. In fact, I'd recommend the product 
just to help you navigate within a document. Here's the URL:
http://www.sandybrook.com/

---
Terry Smith, Technical Consultant
Scriptorium Publishing
www.scriptorium.com
---

Frame 9: improved CMYK

[Art Campbell]

Mike,
There are a couple of threads about CMYK support on the Adobe User Forum for
Frame.
According to one of the moderators there (Arnis, who I'm not sure is on this
list), who has played with this a bit:

"Yes, CMYK (and spot colours too) works when doing the Save As PDF
(Adobe somehow manages to slip in a different postscript header that
isn't available when you manually print to the Adobe PDF printer
instance). The Save As PDF works very well when everything is
configured correctly."

So the trick seems to be electing the SaveAs option rather than Printing,
which is the default for many of us.
I would have done it the other way around, but ...

Cheers,
Art

Art Campbell
 art.campbell at gmail.com
 "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a
redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
  DoD 358


On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Mike H  wrote:

> Hmm -
> what does the 'improved CMYK support' in Frame 9 entail? MY CMYK
> colour definitions (Pantone Process) still get converted to RGB if I
> set the joboptions to, 'leave colour as is.' - And I just note that p.
> 446 of the manual still says that the default is CMYK -> RGB
> conversion. However, the next paragraph tells me: "if you deselect
> this option [which one?] Framemaker preserves CMYK colours." What am I
> missing, what option can I deselect to preserve my CMYK views (I only
> import *.eps, so that's not the issue.)?
>
> I know that in the pdf joboptions I can turn on, "convert all colours
> to cmyk", but that gives me CMYK (colour 'view') -> RGB -> CMYK, and
> my Pantone percentages get all mixed up in the process. How do I
> preserve my CMYK colour definitions without going through RGB?
>
> Cheers,
> Mike
>
> -
> Michael Heine
> London, ON
> Canada
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Footnotes and paragraph formatting

[Callie Bertsche]

Does anyone know of a way to add footnotes in a FM document without
disrupting the line spacing? Every time I add a footnote, it increases
the line spacing just for the line that includes the footnote reference
number. It's driving one of my product owners crazy, so I'm looking for
a solution. We noticed that in Word 2007, this problem is solved by
having a little larger default line spacing, into which a footnote ref
number comfortably fits. I tried increasing the line spacing of the
paragraph in FM, though, and it hasn't helped. I've also tried adjusting
the footnote settings in Format > Document > Footnote properties, but
the only thing I can do there to help is adjust the position to
Superscript, Baseline, or Subscript, and although Baseline results in no
line spacing change, the number no longer looks like a footnote.

I'm grateful for any suggestions! If you reply to me directly I'll
receive it the fastest, since I have Framers set on Digest mode.
Thanks!

Callie Bertsche
Technical Writer

Tecplot Inc. | Enjoy the View

Footnotes and paragraph formatting

[Art Campbell]

In the paragraph format, check the Fixed Space checkbox. That turns off the
extra space used by the superscript characters.

Art

Art Campbell
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 "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a
redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
  DoD 358


On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Callie Bertsche wrote:

> Does anyone know of a way to add footnotes in a FM document without
> disrupting the line spacing? Every time I add a footnote, it increases
> the line spacing just for the line that includes the footnote reference
> number. It's driving one of my product owners crazy, so I'm looking for
> a solution. We noticed that in Word 2007, this problem is solved by
> having a little larger default line spacing, into which a footnote ref
> number comfortably fits. I tried increasing the line spacing of the
> paragraph in FM, though, and it hasn't helped. I've also tried adjusting
> the footnote settings in Format > Document > Footnote properties, but
> the only thing I can do there to help is adjust the position to
> Superscript, Baseline, or Subscript, and although Baseline results in no
> line spacing change, the number no longer looks like a footnote.
>
> I'm grateful for any suggestions! If you reply to me directly I'll
> receive it the fastest, since I have Framers set on Digest mode.
> Thanks!
>
> Callie Bertsche
> Technical Writer
>
> Tecplot Inc. | Enjoy the View
>
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Footnotes and paragraph formatting

[Mike Wickham]

> Does anyone know of a way to add footnotes in a FM document without
> disrupting the line spacing? Every time I add a footnote, it increases
> the line spacing just for the line that includes the footnote reference
> number.

Click in the paragraph holding the footnote marker. Open the Paragraph 
Designer. On the Basic tab, check the "Fixed" checkbox under Line Spacing. 
Click "Update All" or "Apply"-- depending on whether you want make that 
paragraph format work the same everywhere, or just apply an override to the 
current paragraph.

Mike Wickham

Still no Hebrew/Arabic?

[Combs, Richard]

I'm pretty certain FM9 still doesn't support right-to-left languages,
but before giving someone a definitive answer, I thought I'd
double-check with the list. 

I know this is a frequently-requested feature, and now that the code
base has been rewritten and Unicode is supported, it should be possible
-- albeit still difficult -- to implement it. Anyone have any special
insight (or well-grounded speculation) on when or if this might happen? 

TIA!
Richard

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Footnotes and paragraph formatting

[Callie Bertsche]

Thanks Art and others who replied! Such a great solution. It does drive
my page count up (I wish there was also a way to make the footnote
number itself not as "super" of a superscript in line with the text),
but definitely a relief to easily fix the problem! How could I have
missed that little checkbox.

Callie




From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campbell at gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 9:39 AM
To: Callie Bertsche
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Footnotes and paragraph formatting


In the paragraph format, check the Fixed Space checkbox. That
turns off the extra space used by the superscript characters.

Art

Art Campbell
art.campbell at gmail.com
 "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52
Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No
disclaimers apply.

DoD 358



On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Callie Bertsche
 wrote:


Does anyone know of a way to add footnotes in a FM
document without
disrupting the line spacing? Every time I add a
footnote, it increases
the line spacing just for the line that includes the
footnote reference
number. It's driving one of my product owners crazy, so
I'm looking for
a solution. We noticed that in Word 2007, this problem
is solved by
having a little larger default line spacing, into which
a footnote ref
number comfortably fits. I tried increasing the line
spacing of the
paragraph in FM, though, and it hasn't helped. I've also
tried adjusting
the footnote settings in Format > Document > Footnote
properties, but
the only thing I can do there to help is adjust the
position to
Superscript, Baseline, or Subscript, and although
Baseline results in no
line spacing change, the number no longer looks like a
footnote.

I'm grateful for any suggestions! If you reply to me
directly I'll
receive it the fastest, since I have Framers set on
Digest mode.
Thanks!

Callie Bertsche
Technical Writer

Tecplot Inc. | Enjoy the View


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PDF Documentation

[Lea Rush]

Sweet example of a screen-optimized manual, Shlomo. Thank you!

_

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Astoria-Pacific International
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> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-
> bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shlomo Perets
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:59 AM
> To: kmcdaniel at pavtech.com; framers at frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: PDF Documentation
> 
> Kelly,
> 
> You wrote:
> 
> >Quick Survey:
> >
> >Is it your experience that users view PDF documentation on their
> >computer display in preference to printing it for use? ...
> 
> Other than personal preferences and the type of content, key factors are
> -- the extent to which the PDF is "screen friendly" (typography, layout)
> -- on-screen added value offered in the PDF, including effective
> cross-document search and navigation, multimedia, user input mechanisms
> 
> Some nice examples of screen-optimized design are:
> *
>
http://contact.tm.agilent.com/data/static/downloads/eng/Notes/interactive/an
-95-
> 1/an-95-1.pdf
> *
>
http://contact.tm.agilent.com/data/static/downloads/eng/Notes/interactive/an
-150-
> 1/hp-am-fm.pdf
> (produced 12 years ago, with Acrobat 2!)
> [ or see current PDFs at http://ChangeThis.com/archives  ]
> 
> On the other hand,
> http://www.adobe.com/devnet/framemaker/pdfs/MIF_Reference.pdf is clearly
> print-oriented (even though labelled "Online Manual").
> 
> 
> Shlomo Perets
> 
> MicroType * FrameMaker training & consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat
> TimeSavers
> 
> 30 Easy Ways to Improve PDFs with TimeSavers/Assistants:
> http://www.microtype.com/ImprovePDF.html
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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PDF Documentation

[syed.hos...@aeris.net]

Both the Agilent examples are good demonstrations of how to do a
screen-readable PDF. Very nice!

The funniest part of this, though, is that I have the original printed
version (of the AN-91-1 document only, not the second one) before the
concept of PDF formats even existed! :) It was *totally* different in
the look, of course!

Now, I just have to dig it out ... it is hiding somewhere in my garage.
If I get a chance, I will scan it in and put it up somewhere for people
to look as well.

Z

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shlomo Perets
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:59 AM
To: kmcdaniel at pavtech.com; framers at frameusers.com
Subject: Re: PDF Documentation

Kelly,

You wrote:

>Quick Survey:
>
>Is it your experience that users view PDF documentation on their
>computer display in preference to printing it for use? ...

Other than personal preferences and the type of content, key factors are
-- the extent to which the PDF is "screen friendly" (typography, layout)
-- on-screen added value offered in the PDF, including effective 
cross-document search and navigation, multimedia, user input mechanisms

Some nice examples of screen-optimized design are:
* 
http://contact.tm.agilent.com/data/static/downloads/eng/Notes/interactiv
e/an-95-1/an-95-1.pdf
* 
http://contact.tm.agilent.com/data/static/downloads/eng/Notes/interactiv
e/an-150-1/hp-am-fm.pdf
(produced 12 years ago, with Acrobat 2!)
[ or see current PDFs at http://ChangeThis.com/archives  ]

On the other hand, 
http://www.adobe.com/devnet/framemaker/pdfs/MIF_Reference.pdf is clearly

print-oriented (even though labelled "Online Manual").


Shlomo Perets

MicroType * FrameMaker training & consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat 
TimeSavers

30 Easy Ways to Improve PDFs with TimeSavers/Assistants: 
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FM9 Upgrade

[Howard Rauch]

I am currently using?FM 7.0?and Windows XP Pro operating system.

I am having a problem with setting up?documents for offset printing for one of 
my clients. My responsibility?is to set up?the document in Frame and prepare 
PDF files with separations (using Distiller) for printing. I then turn?these 
over to a graphics house local to the client who coordinates the printing. The 
documents are grayscale with one spot color.

Over the past several years,?we have?done 5 or 6 major documents and have had a 
problem with RGB color in each one.?A printing house?sees us coming and tries 
to go into a hiding because?the original was?a?FM document. The graphics house 
wants me to use?InDesign, but the client and I have agreed that that software 
is not suitable for the pages?upon pages?of tables that?make up?each document.

We are?currently finishing up another catalog (document) and have sent sample 
pages to the graphics house. The response?is that?the FM sample?pages?have "RGB 
channels" and are not suitable for offset printing. The graphics house has now 
recommended that we use PhotoShop to set up?a gray-scale channel for the spot 
color and?import?the gray-scale document into FM.?The client does not want 
this, but wants a gray-scale document with the spot color?inserted so he can 
send out individual pages to customers. He dislikes the prospect of having two 
documents: one with gray-scale?text and gray-scale art and one with 
gray-scale?text and?spot color art. Therein lies my dilemna.

My questions are these:
- Is there a workaround, plug-in, or something that will enable me to get rid 
of the "RGB channels" and still allow me to use the spot color in Frame?
-?Would FM9 or the?new FM Graphics Suite?solve the RGB/spot color problem?

I am really confused about this issue, but I must resolve it. It is 
particularly frustrating because I don't have the problem with any other client.

Howard Rauch

Technology Transfer, Inc.
"Linking Creators and Users of Technology"
933 North 18th Street
Manitowoc WI 54220
Office: 920-682-1528
Cell: 920-629-0080

TCS 2 Trial Download

[Pinkham, Jim]

For the full TCS 2, is the suite available only for trial via DVD,
rather than download? That's what appears to be the case at adobe.com,
but I thought the reality was otherwise. Am I misreading or simply not
in the right place
(http://www.adobe.com/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/trydvdreg.htm
l)?

Jim

  

TCS 2 Trial Download

[Owen, Clint]

The trial download page on adobe.com lists all of the individual
products, including FM 9.0, but you can only get TC2 on a DVD. The
download size for FM 9.0 is given as 1000 MB, so maybe the suite is just
too large. 

Also, every time I try to download FM 9.0 I get an error from my
browser(something about the request being redirected too many times). I
have tried it in IE, Opera, and Safari, with no luck. I would really
like to figure out what is going on.

Clint


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Subject: TCS 2 Trial Download

For the full TCS 2, is the suite available only for trial via DVD,
rather than download? That's what appears to be the case at adobe.com,
but I thought the reality was otherwise. Am I misreading or simply not
in the right place
(http://www.adobe.com/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/trydvdreg.htm
l)?

Jim

  
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FM9 Upgrade

[Jacob Schäffer]

Howard,

It's possible to do what you want to do with our Publi PDF software.
Although it's a quite expensive tool you may want to give it a try. There is
a free 30-day live trial available including full e-mail support (which you
*do* need to set-up Publi PDF for this task). See:
http://www.grafikhuset.net/PubliPDF/.

With Publi PDF you can set-up a large number of different PDF creation
queues, each of which can hold purpose-specific properties. Colour
conversion, image handling strategies, security flags, stamping, adding
letterheads, document-splitting, simple metadata etc. can be controlled at
queue-level.

Example scenario:
-
Printing to:

(Queue A) converts all bitmap art to grayscale, captures all non-spot-color
text and vector objects and convert these to grayscale, and spot colors are
left untouched or converted to Black (or whatever color you wish).

(Queue B) don't touch anything at all.

(Queue C) deletes all images and gradients and converts all spot colours to
Black (useful for language plate creation, for example).

(Queue D) does the reverse of Queue C (useful for creating CMYK blanks, for
example).

... all from the same source document. Publi PDF operates entirely in the
back-end and does not touch your content, nor does it require much of your
content. However, there is a lot of work in planning what each Publi PDF
queue shall do, and it may require a huge effort to set-up the required
color maps. 

As a beginner with Publi PDF you *will* need support, but that's what I'm
here for :-)

Contact me off-list if you want to give Publi PDF a try.

Best regards / Med venlig hilsen
Jacob Sch?ffer  |  Chief Developer


Grafikhuset (House of Graphics)
Paradis All? 22, Raml?se
DK-3200 Helsinge, Denmark
Phone: +45 4439 4400
Email: js at grafikhuset.dk
Web: www.grafikhuset.net

FM9 Upgrade

[Scott White]

We get this exact same response with all but one printer we use,  
"These are RGB you need to fix."
I don't understand why they give us the runaround as they have the  
software and ability to take just about any rgb pdf and make the  
necessary plates for printing.
I have to get on the phone with them time and time again about this. I  
have to do this for all my clients who want to print as well.

I'm hoping the FM9 can at least make these print houses happy by  
giving true 4-color or 2-color output like the old FM 7.0 on the mac  
did.
What I have seen is if I "save as" the PDF file comes out right as  
long as my setup is correct on my end.
I now have a sample sent to my reliable printer, the one who never  
questions my jobs but just does the transformation for me, of a PDF  
created using FM9, setup for four-color, and acrobat distiller. We  
shall see.


Scott White
Media Production Manager
Implementation Coordinator
210-704-8239
swhite at alamark.com



On Jan 27, 2009, at 2:48 PM, Alan Litchfield wrote:

> Howard,
>
> Let's just say first that there is a lot of confusion about how to  
> deal with
> RGB channels in "print  ready" pdfs. But you say you are  
> able to
> output separations (two plates, I take it from your description -  
> one spot and
> one black) so the plate makers should be able to convert any RGB to  
> black in
> both separations.
>
> Howard Rauch wrote:
>>
>> Over the past several years, we have done 5 or 6 major documents  
>> and have had
>> a problem with RGB color in each one. A printing house sees us  
>> coming and
>> tries to go into a hiding because the original was a FM document.
>
> Then choose a different supplier. They obviously don't want the work.
>
>>
>> We are currently finishing up another catalog (document) and have  
>> sent sample
>> pages to the graphics house. The response is that the FM sample  
>> pages have
>> "RGB channels" and are not suitable for offset printing.
>
> As above. But there is no such thing as an "RGB channel". RGB is three
> channels, one for Red, one for Green, and one for Blue. An  
> application may
> handle the three of them together for the sake of expediency.
>
>> The graphics house
>> has now recommended that we use PhotoShop to set up a gray-scale  
>> channel for
>> the spot color and import the gray-scale document into FM.
>
> If you are talking about an image that is in greyscale and if people  
> are
> getting toey about it then save it as an eps or pdf and use that  
> with the spot
> colour defined. When it is separated that spot colour will be  
> retained as a
> separated plate.
>
>> My questions are these:
>> - Is there a workaround, plug-in, or something that will enable me  
>> to get rid
>> of the "RGB channels" and still allow me to use the spot color in  
>> Frame?
>
> As above. Prepress software is has been capable of converting RGB to  
> spot or
> CMYK values for at least 10 years. This is not new technology. It is  
> not
> something you need to do, it is handled by the prepress operator.
>
>> - Would FM9 or the new FM Graphics Suite solve the RGB/spot color  
>> problem?
>>
>
> The word on the street is that it does, but only if you export to or  
> save as
> pdf. Not if you print. Others will correct me if I am wrong.
>
> Alan
>
> -- 
> Alan Litchfield MBus (Hons), MNZCS
> AlphaByte
> PO Box 1941, Auckland
> http://www.alphabyte.co.nz
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FM9 Upgrade

[Jacob Schäffer]

FM9 will undoubtedly do a generally more prepress-friendly job during "Save
as PDF" operations.

My tests so far documents huge improvements, but there are still unresolved
issues. I'll drop a post when I've finished testing.

Best regards / Med venlig hilsen
Jacob Sch?ffer  |  Chief Developer


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Paradis All? 22, Raml?se
DK-3200 Helsinge, Denmark
Phone: +45 4439 4400
Email: js at grafikhuset.dk
Web: www.grafikhuset.net

FM9 Upgrade

[Scott White]

I just got this back from my printer.

"Hey Scott!

Hope all are doing well - looks like you've got a winner!  I ran your
PDF through our RIP and there was no RGB conflicts at all - excellent!"

Good news.


Scott White
Media Production Manager
Implementation Coordinator
210-704-8239
swhite at alamark.com



On Jan 27, 2009, at 2:57 PM, Scott White wrote:

> We get this exact same response with all but one printer we use,
> "These are RGB you need to fix."
> I don't understand why they give us the runaround as they have the
> software and ability to take just about any rgb pdf and make the
> necessary plates for printing.
> I have to get on the phone with them time and time again about this. I
> have to do this for all my clients who want to print as well.
>
> I'm hoping the FM9 can at least make these print houses happy by
> giving true 4-color or 2-color output like the old FM 7.0 on the mac
> did.
> What I have seen is if I "save as" the PDF file comes out right as
> long as my setup is correct on my end.
> I now have a sample sent to my reliable printer, the one who never
> questions my jobs but just does the transformation for me, of a PDF
> created using FM9, setup for four-color, and acrobat distiller. We
> shall see.
>
>
> Scott White
> Media Production Manager
> Implementation Coordinator
> 210-704-8239
> swhite at alamark.com
>
>
>
> On Jan 27, 2009, at 2:48 PM, Alan Litchfield wrote:
>
>> Howard,
>>
>> Let's just say first that there is a lot of confusion about how to
>> deal with
>> RGB channels in "print  ready" pdfs. But you say you are
>> able to
>> output separations (two plates, I take it from your description -
>> one spot and
>> one black) so the plate makers should be able to convert any RGB to
>> black in
>> both separations.
>>
>> Howard Rauch wrote:
>>>
>>> Over the past several years, we have done 5 or 6 major documents
>>> and have had
>>> a problem with RGB color in each one. A printing house sees us
>>> coming and
>>> tries to go into a hiding because the original was a FM document.
>>
>> Then choose a different supplier. They obviously don't want the work.
>>
>>>
>>> We are currently finishing up another catalog (document) and have
>>> sent sample
>>> pages to the graphics house. The response is that the FM sample
>>> pages have
>>> "RGB channels" and are not suitable for offset printing.
>>
>> As above. But there is no such thing as an "RGB channel". RGB is  
>> three
>> channels, one for Red, one for Green, and one for Blue. An
>> application may
>> handle the three of them together for the sake of expediency.
>>
>>> The graphics house
>>> has now recommended that we use PhotoShop to set up a gray-scale
>>> channel for
>>> the spot color and import the gray-scale document into FM.
>>
>> If you are talking about an image that is in greyscale and if people
>> are
>> getting toey about it then save it as an eps or pdf and use that
>> with the spot
>> colour defined. When it is separated that spot colour will be
>> retained as a
>> separated plate.
>>
>>> My questions are these:
>>> - Is there a workaround, plug-in, or something that will enable me
>>> to get rid
>>> of the "RGB channels" and still allow me to use the spot color in
>>> Frame?
>>
>> As above. Prepress software is has been capable of converting RGB to
>> spot or
>> CMYK values for at least 10 years. This is not new technology. It is
>> not
>> something you need to do, it is handled by the prepress operator.
>>
>>> - Would FM9 or the new FM Graphics Suite solve the RGB/spot color
>>> problem?
>>>
>>
>> The word on the street is that it does, but only if you export to or
>> save as
>> pdf. Not if you print. Others will correct me if I am wrong.
>>
>> Alan
>>
>> -- 
>> Alan Litchfield MBus (Hons), MNZCS
>> AlphaByte
>> PO Box 1941, Auckland
>> http://www.alphabyte.co.nz
>>
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FM9 DITA integration

[John Sgammato]

I have been hoping FM9 would make it easier to get into DITA /
Structured Authoring. 
In the online help, I found this helpful tidbit:
FrameMaker 9 provides complete support for DITA v1.1. For more
information on DITA integration with FrameMaker see the online manual
Integrating DITA with Adobe FrameMaker 9.pdf on the Adobe website
www.adobe.com/go/lr_FrameMaker_support_en.

Alas! The link shows some 14 documents, but none of them is the promised
online manual. A few calls to Adobe Support resulted in the belief that
the document is not yet available and the only recourse is to keep
checking back until it arrives, while my 30 days tick away...

John Sgammato
Principal Technical Writer
Imprivata, Inc.
[v] (781) 674-2441

www.imprivata.com
Explore the Imprivata OneSign Solutions Site
  - see product demos and learn how
OneSign has made organizations successful. 

FM9 DITA integration

[Scott Prentice]

I don't think that there is anything in FM9 that makes it easier to get 
into DITA or structured authoring. It offers support for the DITA 1.1 
specification, but migration is still the same effort that it has been 
in earlier versions.

...scott


John Sgammato wrote:
> I have been hoping FM9 would make it easier to get into DITA /
> Structured Authoring. 
> In the online help, I found this helpful tidbit:
> FrameMaker 9 provides complete support for DITA v1.1. For more
> information on DITA integration with FrameMaker see the online manual
> Integrating DITA with Adobe FrameMaker 9.pdf on the Adobe website
> www.adobe.com/go/lr_FrameMaker_support_en.
>
> Alas! The link shows some 14 documents, but none of them is the promised
> online manual. A few calls to Adobe Support resulted in the belief that
> the document is not yet available and the only recourse is to keep
> checking back until it arrives, while my 30 days tick away...
>
> John Sgammato
> Principal Technical Writer
> Imprivata, Inc.
> [v] (781) 674-2441
>
> www.imprivata.com
> Explore the Imprivata OneSign Solutions Site
>   - see product demos and learn how
> OneSign has made organizations successful. 
>
>   

Ctrl-Alt-u shortcut bug

[Klaus Daube]

On 22 Jan 2009 at 11:12, Heidi Bailey wrote:

> Has anyone seen or got a solution to the Ctrl-Alt-u shortcut bug? When I
> use it, FM places a ?
> 
> in front of the word following the selected text.

IN FM8.0 p277 it's all OK, the shortcut sets the selection to UPPR 
CASE.

- do you have another version of FM?
- do you have any plugins which modify shortcuts?
- what kind of keyboard do you have? Even with a Swiss keyboard using 
AltGr FM behaves.

HTH
Klaus Daube


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Re: Importing Multi Page Tiffs, How ??

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

That's a stupid Engineering Department. Maybe they should learn
something about engineering -- or just leave the company. ;-)

Even Boeing, when they were distributing CGM graphic with some of
their documentation around 1996, they had these sometimes bundled into
one file to save space. They had the decency to ship a script and
instructions to split the file. So should your ED. Absolutely. Or,
rather do the splitting or changing to pdf themselves.

Not being able to choose a certain tiff page is not a bug in FM. It is
only lack of features. You cannot have everything in one application.

There is a number of apps that can split tiffs out there, some are
expensive some are inexpensive, some even free. Years ago I used the
GPL tiff2pdf utility (console utility, or command line utility as it
is probably called by Windows/DOS enthusiasts). It is very fast and
effective. It will just read the tiff file and output a pdf file. See:
http://www.remotesensing.org/libtiff/man/tiff2pdf.1.html

Best regards,

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

2009/1/26 Richard Melanson :
> An update or maybe a summation :-)
> The TIFF files I have been referring to are controlled by our
> Engineering Department. I reach out to a network drive and import by
> reference the TIFFs Engineering makes available. I cannot do anything to
> the TIFFs but import them! So unless I can find a way for Framemaker to
> see all the pages in the TIFF files, I am dead in the water.
>
> Thank you all for the great suggestions, lets hope someone can pull the
> rabbit out of the TIFF, aahhh, I mean hat!!  :-)
> Rick
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Owen, Clint
> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 5:53 PM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Importing Multi Page Tiffs, How ??
>
> Some of our older scanned documents are multi-page TIFFs. I keep a copy
> of Paperport Deluxe (version 7.0, that came with a long gone scanner) on
> my computer solely because it can split these files into individual
> graphics.
>
> Clint
>
>
> Clinton Owen | Senior Technical Writer | Crane Aerospace & Electronics |
> Telephone: +1 425-743-8674 | Fax: +1 425-743-8113
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alan
> Litchfield
> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:04 PM
> To: Art Campbell
> Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Richard Melanson
> Subject: Re: Importing Multi Page Tiffs, How ??
>
> Multi-page tiffs are pretty common really.
>
> I remember replying to this, so I am not certain why it has come up
> again. But anyway I suggested opening the tiff in an application that
> supports multi-page tiffs (probably *not* Photoshop) and print the file
> to PDF (press-quality settings if you want to print it). This produces a
> multi-page PDf which can be easily imported into FM.
>
> Alan
>
> Art Campbell wrote:
>> Richard,
>> I think you may have uncovered a rare bug. I hadn't ever seen a
>> multi-page TIF before... and I bet the coders hadn't either. I'd
>> expect Frame to treat it as a multi-page PDF and prompt you to select
> which page to display.
>>
>> May be worth opening a bug on it.
>>
>> The only work-around I can suggest is to either cut the TIF into
>> single pages with something like Photoshop or create a PDF from it, so
>
>> you can select which page to display.
>>
>> Art
>>
>> Art Campbell
>>  art.campb...@gmail.com
>>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
>
>> and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>>  No disclaimers
> apply.
>>   DoD 358
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 9:55 AM, Richard Melanson
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I posted this yesterday and was just wondering if anyone received it,
>
>>> thank you.
>>>
>>> Hello Framers,
>>>
>>> I have spent the last couples of hours trying to find an answer to
>>> this question. I am importing by reference TIFFs into a Framemaker 8
> file.
>>> The TIFFs are a single file with multiple pages, but Frame is only
>>> importing the first page. What am I missing here, I sure hope this is
>
>>> not embarrassingly easy answer. Thank you for any help you can give
> me.
>>>
>>> Rick
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Re: FM9 show stoppers

[Michael Müller-Hillebrand]

Am 23.01.2009 um 12:20 schrieb Klaus Daube:

> The second one is a tough experience:
> Backspace has become a nightmare on my 3MHz machine with 4GB of RAM. I
> can not correct input in the usual manner, because i have typed to  
> many
> times until the program reacts! Do I need to switch off UNDO (which is
> not possible)? I have already switched off "show warnings while
> cleaning history", "Checkout HTTP...", "Upload HTTP..." in  
> preferences.
>
> Also the arrow keys - used for example, to extend a selection - a-r- 
> e-v-
> e-r-y-s-l-o-w! This is NOT an issue of my machine - no other program
> has this behaviour.


Klaus,

Can you create a test scenario? What pods are open? Maybe with one of  
the template documents that ship with the product?

When using the default "Authoring" workspace setup I cannot see the  
typing and selection slowdowns you experience. And I run WinXP in a  
virtual machine...

- Michael

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Re: Find and Replace Paragraph Format Feature

[Bodvar Bjorgvinsson]

Hi Mark,

You don't mention the amount of files involved.

If the files involved are not too many, just changing the format name
in the Pgf format catalog (or global change) should do the trick.
Another option is to MIF the files and search/replace the format name
in a text editor.

A FrameScript script can be used to speed this up, but then you would
have to have FrameScript installed.

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

2009/1/21 Eichelberger, Mark :
> Folks,
>
> We noticed that when we generated the html output of our FM source files
> using ePublisher, the fonts for some of our paragraph formats were
> altered.  We looked at the Cascading Style Sheet and noticed that
> paragraph formats that contained a period in the format name came across
> in the css with the value '002e' substituted for the period.  When we
> looked into ePublisher's help we discovered the warning from ePublisher
> that paragraph format names should not contains periods as they cause
> issues when the css is created.
>
> So we now realize we have to create new paragraph formats in Frame that
> do not have any periods in the names.
>
> Does anyone know if there is a find and replace feature in Frame that
> would allow us to replace text tagged with the offending paragraph
> format to use another paragraph format that has a supported format name.
>
>
> Mark Eichelberger
>
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>
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RE: Outline

[David Spreadbury]

Don,
Sandybrooke software (http://www.sandybrook.com/) has an Outline tool add-on
that works within Framemaker.

Dave Spreadbury

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Donlad W. Spencer
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:47 PM
To: Framers (E-mail)
Subject: Outline

Framer Folks:

As I develop my personally written book in FrameMaker 7.2, especially since
I have learned to create hot key macros in the customization files, there is
only one thing about MS Word that I miss - Outline View.

The ability to reduce the book to an outline and manipulate that outline is
most convenient, and good old solid FrameMaker offers nothing like that,
except the ability to change chapter positions within a book.

Has anybody ever written a 3rd party program that offers something akin to
Outline View? Would be nice.

~ Don Spencer

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Re: Outline

[Art Campbell]

Someone (or a company) was playing with an idea that would assign different
levels of a doc to a conditional text setting or series of settings, so you
could hide or reveal the different levels, outline style. Script driven, I
think. Possibly Framescript guru Rick Quatro... (Rick, was that you?), but I
wasn't interested enough to follow up. But if you haven't already hit
Google, it may reveal who it was and whether it got beyond the idea/concept
stage.

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On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 6:19 AM, David Spreadbury wrote:

> Don,
> Sandybrooke software (http://www.sandybrook.com/) has an Outline tool
> add-on
> that works within Framemaker.
>
> Dave Spreadbury
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Donlad W.
> Spencer
> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:47 PM
> To: Framers (E-mail)
> Subject: Outline
>
> Framer Folks:
>
> As I develop my personally written book in FrameMaker 7.2, especially since
> I have learned to create hot key macros in the customization files, there
> is
> only one thing about MS Word that I miss - Outline View.
>
> The ability to reduce the book to an outline and manipulate that outline is
> most convenient, and good old solid FrameMaker offers nothing like that,
> except the ability to change chapter positions within a book.
>
> Has anybody ever written a 3rd party program that offers something akin to
> Outline View? Would be nice.
>
> ~ Don Spencer
>
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RE: Outline

[Etzel, Gary]

FrameMaker already does have an "outline" view, but you need to be using
structured FrameMaker to get it. In unstructured FrameMaker, there is
absolutely no difference between a Heading1 and a Heading2, or a
Heading2 and a Note. You may have it all organized in your mind, but
FrameMaker knows nothing about that. It's all just a bunch of different
paragraph formats with different fonts and colors. To turn that into an
outline, you need to define the relationships between one paragraph and
other, in a way that FrameMaker can understand. That's basically what
structured FrameMaker is all about. Once you do that, and you've spent
some time working in FrameMaker's Structure View window, you'll never
want to go back.

Hope that helps,

Gary


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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Donlad W.
Spencer
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 1:47 PM
To: Framers (E-mail)
Subject: Outline

Framer Folks:

As I develop my personally written book in FrameMaker 7.2, especially
since
I have learned to create hot key macros in the customization files,
there is
only one thing about MS Word that I miss - Outline View.

The ability to reduce the book to an outline and manipulate that outline
is
most convenient, and good old solid FrameMaker offers nothing like that,
except the ability to change chapter positions within a book.

Has anybody ever written a 3rd party program that offers something akin
to
Outline View? Would be nice.

~ Don Spencer

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RE: Off List

[John Sgammato]

That was a quote from my German sales engineer describing the feeling of 
customers he knows. Whether he was exaggerating or not, I don't know, but it is 
a faithful report of what was said. I should have put everything from 
"ignorant" to "order" in quotes. My apologies.



From: Dan Harding [mailto:dhard...@uiuc.edu]
Sent: Tue 1/27/2009 8:22 AM
To: John Sgammato; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Off List



No, you decided to make the discussion political when you introduced the
following:

"proof that we ignorant Americans will destroy our planet in short order."

That's incendiary rhetoric, and utterly unnecessary and off-topic.


-Dan

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of John Sgammato
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 9:44 AM
To: Kelly McDaniel; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Off List

As I recall, this was a voyage of several steps.

I replied to your innocent question with some anecdotal evidence that PDFs
are seen are "green" in Germany, and printed manuals as actively
"anti-green".

Later, a third responder observed that trees are plentiful in the US, which
led to the way off-topic discussion that got us here.

IMO, it is somewhat inevitable that a political opinion will be expressed
here from time to time, and the solution is to respond to it directly rather
than to the list.

john


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Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 10:19 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Off List

I fear mine may have been the initial post that started the green
discussion. For that, please accept my apology.

The question I asked, though not directly related to FrameMaker, was more in
the venue of how PDFs were used without any green subtext. The point of the
issue is that I am attempting to move a PDF-only corporate habit into an
online delivery paradigm. To that end, I received many off-list responses
from folks I consider to be tops in the field. For that, I am
grateful...regards, Kelly.

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bodvar
Bjorgvinsson
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 3:20 AM
To: Howard Rauch
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Off List

Howard,

I agree: this is a quality list. :-)

This list has never, and in my view, should not be limiting itself to
technical solutions regarding FM problems, although this will always be the
main issue. There is so much more about FM than that, mainly because of how
different FM is to most publishing software. One of the main questions is
about when FM is applicable and when not. A subquestion could be about the
"greens" as you call it. Discussion of that can be helpful in order to
decide how much weight one should put on the single-sourcing capabilities of
FM. So I would think it is a valid question on this list.

I'd rather keep things the way they have been for the six years I have been
on the list than having to try to search through a plethora of lists
discussing this or that border product of what would be "allowable" on the
FM list. It saves me a lot of time.

There have, from time to time, come up issues on the list that are totally
not related to FM or the list as a list. These issues have been dealt with
by the other framers and sometimes the list manager.

Thanks to all Framers on the list throughout the years. :-)

And, don't misunderstand me: I think your point qualifies as a valid point
for the list to discuss:
"What does and should the list stand for?"

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

2009/1/25 Howard Rauch :
> One of the qualities of this list that I have always considered
important was that it was devoted to the best ways for using FrameMaker
whether for solving problems or evaluating its use. I have subscribed to
other lists and discontinued them because so many of the participants were
pushing their own personal agendas (I call them "whiners") as opposed to the
purpose of the list.
>
> I have personally noted that a few have been pursuing the green agenda
as of late (myself included) whether pro-green or anti-green. The
questionnaire about printing user manuals itself promoted neither agenda,
but (1) it has promoted a good deal of controversial responses on both sides
of the green issue and (2) it was not really a FrameMaker issue.
>
> My point is this: When any of us submit anything to the FrameMaker
list, let's make sure it deals with the use of FrameMaker and not with
personal issues.
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Re: Outline

[Hedley Finger]

Don:

> As I develop my personally written book in FrameMaker 7.2, especially since
> I have learned to create hot key macros in the customization files, there is
> only one thing about MS Word that I miss – Outline View.
>
> Has anybody ever written a 3rd party program that offers something akin to
> Outline View? Would be nice.

Look for Enhance for FrameMaker by Sandybrook Software. You can create 
an outline, promote/demote, cut and paste, drag sections, etc. and it 
all works with the paragraph styles you have currently designed and the 
virtual nesting of those heading style formats. Unfortunately, at this 
point it only works file by file.

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RE: Find and Replace Paragraph Format Feature

[Eichelberger, Mark]

Bodvar,
It is hundreds of FM files.  We did decide to go with a plugin to find
and replace the paragraph tags.

Thanks.
Mark

-Original Message-
From: Bodvar Bjorgvinsson [mailto:bod...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:17 AM
To: Eichelberger, Mark
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Find and Replace Paragraph Format Feature

Hi Mark,

You don't mention the amount of files involved.

If the files involved are not too many, just changing the format name
in the Pgf format catalog (or global change) should do the trick.
Another option is to MIF the files and search/replace the format name
in a text editor.

A FrameScript script can be used to speed this up, but then you would
have to have FrameScript installed.

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

2009/1/21 Eichelberger, Mark :
> Folks,
>
> We noticed that when we generated the html output of our FM source
files
> using ePublisher, the fonts for some of our paragraph formats were
> altered.  We looked at the Cascading Style Sheet and noticed that
> paragraph formats that contained a period in the format name came
across
> in the css with the value '002e' substituted for the period.  When we
> looked into ePublisher's help we discovered the warning from
ePublisher
> that paragraph format names should not contains periods as they cause
> issues when the css is created.
>
> So we now realize we have to create new paragraph formats in Frame
that
> do not have any periods in the names.
>
> Does anyone know if there is a find and replace feature in Frame that
> would allow us to replace text tagged with the offending paragraph
> format to use another paragraph format that has a supported format
name.
>
>
> Mark Eichelberger
>
> Senior Technical Writer
>
> mark.eichelber...@aftech.fiserv.com
>
>
>
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RE: Outline

[quills]

Exactly! Gary has hit it on the head. What you are referring to 
doing, Hedley, is operating in a structured environment. Outlining is 
an early method used to provide structure to data. SGML and XML are 
later methods to do that.

FrameMaker in Structured mode does it quite well.

Scott

At 8:29 AM -0500 1/27/09, Etzel, Gary wrote:
>FrameMaker already does have an "outline" view, but you need to be using
>structured FrameMaker to get it. In unstructured FrameMaker, there is
>absolutely no difference between a Heading1 and a Heading2, or a
>Heading2 and a Note. You may have it all organized in your mind, but
>FrameMaker knows nothing about that. It's all just a bunch of different
>paragraph formats with different fonts and colors. To turn that into an
>outline, you need to define the relationships between one paragraph and
>other, in a way that FrameMaker can understand. That's basically what
>structured FrameMaker is all about. Once you do that, and you've spent
>some time working in FrameMaker's Structure View window, you'll never
>want to go back.
>
>Hope that helps,
>
>Gary
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RE: Automating the import of multi-page PDFs

[Pinkham, Jim]

Quite so, Richard, and no offense. I think the manual process you
described yesterday with the anchored frame and the multiple copies
would get the job done well, especially for docs that are usually no
more than a few dozen pages. I only meant that I've never found a tool
that would automate the process of taking a PDF of multiple pages and
bringing those pages into FM. Your advice is good, and I agree that
splitting is superfluous for the process you describe.

Jim

   

-Original Message-
From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com] 
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 5:16 PM
To: Pinkham, Jim
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Automating the import of multi-page PDFs


Pinkham, Jim wrote: 
 
> As for the direct import issue, I went back and searched the archives 
> and found the discussion in October 2006, but couldn't find a
definitive
> answer to the direct import of multiple-page PDFs into Frame. You 
> suggested the alternative approach of the RTF for the text at that 
> point, too, along with a second trip through with a PNG export to take

> care of the graphics. This makes sense, and long term, I agree it's 
> better to have content you can edit and reuse than to have it 
> constrained in PDFs.

I believe Chris said the report pages must look _exactly_ like they do
in the PDF, so editing isn't really relevant for his problem, and
reformatting RTF to replicate what already exists seems like needless
extra work. 

Maybe I'm confused about what you mean by "a definitive answer to the
direct import of multiple-page PDFs into Frame." I like to think my
earlier post provided a fairly definitive answer -- I've done it
numerous times, and it works great. :-)
 
> A quick search
>
(http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&fkt=3213&fsdt=46573&q=import+(multip
>
age+OR+multi-page+OR+multiple+page)+PDFs+into+(FM+OR+Framemaker)&btnG=Go
> ogle+Search&aq=o&oq=) suggests there are tools out there that will
split
> up a PDF into individual pages (see, for instance, the splitter and 
> merger tools on Planet PDF), but I didn't find a batch import tool in 
> the same quick glance.

Splitting up a multi-page PDF serves no useful purpose in this context.
For the manual (but fast) process I described earlier, it would be
counterproductive, since it would require the extra step of browsing to
a different file for each import operation -- much more time-consuming
than simply typing a page number. 

And I can't imagine a script- or macro-based process where separate
files would be an advantage, either. 

"It's my opinion and it's very true."

Richard


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RE: Off List

[John Sgammato]

"ignorant Americans will destroy our planet in short order" was a quote
from my German sales engineer. He had related to me the feeling among
some of his customers about hardcopy documentation. It was not a
political statement of any kind; it was an example of a factor to
consider when deciding whether or not to provide printed documentation
in addition to PDF.

The relative availability of trees in the US took us off-topic.  


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From: Dan Harding [mailto:dhard...@uiuc.edu] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 8:22 AM
To: John Sgammato; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Off List

No, you decided to make the discussion political when you introduced the
following:

"proof that we ignorant Americans will destroy our planet in short
order."

That's incendiary rhetoric, and utterly unnecessary and off-topic. 


-Dan

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of John Sgammato
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 9:44 AM
To: Kelly McDaniel; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Off List

As I recall, this was a voyage of several steps. 

I replied to your innocent question with some anecdotal evidence that
PDFs are seen are "green" in Germany, and printed manuals as actively
"anti-green". 

Later, a third responder observed that trees are plentiful in the US,
which led to the way off-topic discussion that got us here. 

IMO, it is somewhat inevitable that a political opinion will be
expressed here from time to time, and the solution is to respond to it
directly rather than to the list.

john
 

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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Kelly
McDaniel
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 10:19 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Off List

I fear mine may have been the initial post that started the green
discussion. For that, please accept my apology.

The question I asked, though not directly related to FrameMaker, was
more in the venue of how PDFs were used without any green subtext. The
point of the issue is that I am attempting to move a PDF-only corporate
habit into an online delivery paradigm. To that end, I received many
off-list responses from folks I consider to be tops in the field. For
that, I am grateful...regards, Kelly.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bodvar
Bjorgvinsson
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 3:20 AM
To: Howard Rauch
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Off List

Howard,

I agree: this is a quality list. :-)

This list has never, and in my view, should not be limiting itself to
technical solutions regarding FM problems, although this will always be
the main issue. There is so much more about FM than that, mainly because
of how different FM is to most publishing software. One of the main
questions is about when FM is applicable and when not. A subquestion
could be about the "greens" as you call it. Discussion of that can be
helpful in order to decide how much weight one should put on the
single-sourcing capabilities of FM. So I would think it is a valid
question on this list.

I'd rather keep things the way they have been for the six years I have
been on the list than having to try to search through a plethora of
lists discussing this or that border product of what would be
"allowable" on the FM list. It saves me a lot of time.

There have, from time to time, come up issues on the list that are
totally not related to FM or the list as a list. These issues have been
dealt with by the other framers and sometimes the list manager.

Thanks to all Framers on the list throughout the years. :-)

And, don't misunderstand me: I think your point qualifies as a valid
point for the list to discuss:
"What does and should the list stand for?"

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

2009/1/25 Howard Rauch :
> One of the qualities of this list that I have always considered
important was that it was devoted to the best ways for using FrameMaker
whether for solving problems or evaluating its use. I have subscribed to
other lists and discontinued them because so many of the participants
were pushing their own personal agendas (I call them "whiners") as
opposed to the purpose of the list.
>
> I have personally noted that a few have been pursuing the green agenda
as of late (myself included) whether pro-green or anti-green. The
questionnaire about printing user manuals itself promoted neither
agenda, but (1) it has promoted a good deal of controversial responses
on both sides of the green issue and (2) it was not really a FrameMaker
issue.
>
> My point is this: When any of us submit anything to the FrameMaker
list, let's make sure it deals with the use of FrameMaker and not with
personal issues.
>
> Howard Rauch
>
> Technology Transfer, Inc.
> "Linking Creators and Users of Technology"
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RE: Outline

[Combs, Richard]

Hedley Finger wrote:
 
> Look for Enhance for FrameMaker by Sandybrook Software. You can create
> an outline, promote/demote, cut and paste, drag sections, etc. and it
> all works with the paragraph styles you have currently designed and
the
> virtual nesting of those heading style formats. Unfortunately, at this
> point it only works file by file.

I'll second that. Enhance is a great addition to your FM tool chest. I
don't know if there's an FM8/9-compatible version, though. 

That said, Gary Etzel made a great point regarding structure. One of
these days, I'm really going to get serious about learning to work with
structured docs... 

Richard


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Re: PDF Documentation

[Shlomo Perets]

Kelly,

You wrote:

>Quick Survey:
>
>Is it your experience that users view PDF documentation on their
>computer display in preference to printing it for use? ...

Other than personal preferences and the type of content, key factors are
-- the extent to which the PDF is "screen friendly" (typography, layout)
-- on-screen added value offered in the PDF, including effective 
cross-document search and navigation, multimedia, user input mechanisms

Some nice examples of screen-optimized design are:
* 
http://contact.tm.agilent.com/data/static/downloads/eng/Notes/interactive/an-95-1/an-95-1.pdf
* 
http://contact.tm.agilent.com/data/static/downloads/eng/Notes/interactive/an-150-1/hp-am-fm.pdf
(produced 12 years ago, with Acrobat 2!)
[ or see current PDFs at http://ChangeThis.com/archives  ]

On the other hand, 
http://www.adobe.com/devnet/framemaker/pdfs/MIF_Reference.pdf is clearly 
print-oriented (even though labelled "Online Manual").


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Frame 9: improved CMYK

[Mike H]

Hmm -
what does the 'improved CMYK support' in Frame 9 entail? MY CMYK
colour definitions (Pantone Process) still get converted to RGB if I
set the joboptions to, 'leave colour as is.' - And I just note that p.
446 of the manual still says that the default is CMYK -> RGB
conversion. However, the next paragraph tells me: "if you deselect
this option [which one?] Framemaker preserves CMYK colours." What am I
missing, what option can I deselect to preserve my CMYK views (I only
import *.eps, so that's not the issue.)?

I know that in the pdf joboptions I can turn on, "convert all colours
to cmyk", but that gives me CMYK (colour 'view') -> RGB -> CMYK, and
my Pantone percentages get all mixed up in the process. How do I
preserve my CMYK colour definitions without going through RGB?

Cheers,
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Re: Outline

[Terry Smith]

Don Spencer wrote:
> Has anybody ever written a 3rd party program that offers something akin to
> Outline View? Would be nice.

Yes! Enhance gives you an outline view of your FrameMaker document. It's 
wonderful for reorganizing large documents. In fact, I'd recommend the product 
just to help you navigate within a document. Here's the URL:
http://www.sandybrook.com/

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Re: Frame 9: improved CMYK

[Art Campbell]

Mike,
There are a couple of threads about CMYK support on the Adobe User Forum for
Frame.
According to one of the moderators there (Arnis, who I'm not sure is on this
list), who has played with this a bit:

"Yes, CMYK (and spot colours too) works when doing the Save As PDF
(Adobe somehow manages to slip in a different postscript header that
isn't available when you manually print to the Adobe PDF printer
instance). The Save As PDF works very well when everything is
configured correctly."

So the trick seems to be electing the SaveAs option rather than Printing,
which is the default for many of us.
I would have done it the other way around, but ...

Cheers,
Art

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On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Mike H  wrote:

> Hmm -
> what does the 'improved CMYK support' in Frame 9 entail? MY CMYK
> colour definitions (Pantone Process) still get converted to RGB if I
> set the joboptions to, 'leave colour as is.' - And I just note that p.
> 446 of the manual still says that the default is CMYK -> RGB
> conversion. However, the next paragraph tells me: "if you deselect
> this option [which one?] Framemaker preserves CMYK colours." What am I
> missing, what option can I deselect to preserve my CMYK views (I only
> import *.eps, so that's not the issue.)?
>
> I know that in the pdf joboptions I can turn on, "convert all colours
> to cmyk", but that gives me CMYK (colour 'view') -> RGB -> CMYK, and
> my Pantone percentages get all mixed up in the process. How do I
> preserve my CMYK colour definitions without going through RGB?
>
> Cheers,
> Mike
>
> -
> Michael Heine
> London, ON
> Canada
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Footnotes and paragraph formatting

[Callie Bertsche]

Does anyone know of a way to add footnotes in a FM document without
disrupting the line spacing? Every time I add a footnote, it increases
the line spacing just for the line that includes the footnote reference
number. It's driving one of my product owners crazy, so I'm looking for
a solution. We noticed that in Word 2007, this problem is solved by
having a little larger default line spacing, into which a footnote ref
number comfortably fits. I tried increasing the line spacing of the
paragraph in FM, though, and it hasn't helped. I've also tried adjusting
the footnote settings in Format > Document > Footnote properties, but
the only thing I can do there to help is adjust the position to
Superscript, Baseline, or Subscript, and although Baseline results in no
line spacing change, the number no longer looks like a footnote.
 
I'm grateful for any suggestions! If you reply to me directly I'll
receive it the fastest, since I have Framers set on Digest mode.
Thanks!
 
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Re: Footnotes and paragraph formatting

[Art Campbell]

In the paragraph format, check the Fixed Space checkbox. That turns off the
extra space used by the superscript characters.

Art

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On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Callie Bertsche wrote:

> Does anyone know of a way to add footnotes in a FM document without
> disrupting the line spacing? Every time I add a footnote, it increases
> the line spacing just for the line that includes the footnote reference
> number. It's driving one of my product owners crazy, so I'm looking for
> a solution. We noticed that in Word 2007, this problem is solved by
> having a little larger default line spacing, into which a footnote ref
> number comfortably fits. I tried increasing the line spacing of the
> paragraph in FM, though, and it hasn't helped. I've also tried adjusting
> the footnote settings in Format > Document > Footnote properties, but
> the only thing I can do there to help is adjust the position to
> Superscript, Baseline, or Subscript, and although Baseline results in no
> line spacing change, the number no longer looks like a footnote.
>
> I'm grateful for any suggestions! If you reply to me directly I'll
> receive it the fastest, since I have Framers set on Digest mode.
> Thanks!
>
> Callie Bertsche
> Technical Writer
>
> Tecplot Inc. | Enjoy the View
>
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Re: Footnotes and paragraph formatting

[Mike Wickham]

> Does anyone know of a way to add footnotes in a FM document without
> disrupting the line spacing? Every time I add a footnote, it increases
> the line spacing just for the line that includes the footnote reference
> number.

Click in the paragraph holding the footnote marker. Open the Paragraph 
Designer. On the Basic tab, check the "Fixed" checkbox under Line Spacing. 
Click "Update All" or "Apply"-- depending on whether you want make that 
paragraph format work the same everywhere, or just apply an override to the 
current paragraph.

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Still no Hebrew/Arabic?

[Combs, Richard]

I'm pretty certain FM9 still doesn't support right-to-left languages,
but before giving someone a definitive answer, I thought I'd
double-check with the list. 

I know this is a frequently-requested feature, and now that the code
base has been rewritten and Unicode is supported, it should be possible
-- albeit still difficult -- to implement it. Anyone have any special
insight (or well-grounded speculation) on when or if this might happen? 

TIA!
Richard

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RE: Footnotes and paragraph formatting

[Callie Bertsche]

Thanks Art and others who replied! Such a great solution. It does drive
my page count up (I wish there was also a way to make the footnote
number itself not as "super" of a superscript in line with the text),
but definitely a relief to easily fix the problem! How could I have
missed that little checkbox.
 
Callie




From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 9:39 AM
To: Callie Bertsche
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Footnotes and paragraph formatting


In the paragraph format, check the Fixed Space checkbox. That
turns off the extra space used by the superscript characters.

Art

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On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Callie Bertsche
 wrote:


Does anyone know of a way to add footnotes in a FM
document without
disrupting the line spacing? Every time I add a
footnote, it increases
the line spacing just for the line that includes the
footnote reference
number. It's driving one of my product owners crazy, so
I'm looking for
a solution. We noticed that in Word 2007, this problem
is solved by
having a little larger default line spacing, into which
a footnote ref
number comfortably fits. I tried increasing the line
spacing of the
paragraph in FM, though, and it hasn't helped. I've also
tried adjusting
the footnote settings in Format > Document > Footnote
properties, but
the only thing I can do there to help is adjust the
position to
Superscript, Baseline, or Subscript, and although
Baseline results in no
line spacing change, the number no longer looks like a
footnote.

I'm grateful for any suggestions! If you reply to me
directly I'll
receive it the fastest, since I have Framers set on
Digest mode.
Thanks!

Callie Bertsche
Technical Writer

Tecplot Inc. | Enjoy the View


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RE: PDF Documentation

[Lea Rush]

Sweet example of a screen-optimized manual, Shlomo. Thank you!

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> -Original Message-
> From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-
> boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Shlomo Perets
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:59 AM
> To: kmcdan...@pavtech.com; fram...@frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: PDF Documentation
> 
> Kelly,
> 
> You wrote:
> 
> >Quick Survey:
> >
> >Is it your experience that users view PDF documentation on their
> >computer display in preference to printing it for use? ...
> 
> Other than personal preferences and the type of content, key factors are
> -- the extent to which the PDF is "screen friendly" (typography, layout)
> -- on-screen added value offered in the PDF, including effective
> cross-document search and navigation, multimedia, user input mechanisms
> 
> Some nice examples of screen-optimized design are:
> *
>
http://contact.tm.agilent.com/data/static/downloads/eng/Notes/interactive/an
-95-
> 1/an-95-1.pdf
> *
>
http://contact.tm.agilent.com/data/static/downloads/eng/Notes/interactive/an
-150-
> 1/hp-am-fm.pdf
> (produced 12 years ago, with Acrobat 2!)
> [ or see current PDFs at http://ChangeThis.com/archives  ]
> 
> On the other hand,
> http://www.adobe.com/devnet/framemaker/pdfs/MIF_Reference.pdf is clearly
> print-oriented (even though labelled "Online Manual").
> 
> 
> Shlomo Perets
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> TimeSavers
> 
> 30 Easy Ways to Improve PDFs with TimeSavers/Assistants:
> http://www.microtype.com/ImprovePDF.html
> 
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> 
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RE: PDF Documentation

[Syed.Hosain]

Both the Agilent examples are good demonstrations of how to do a
screen-readable PDF. Very nice!

The funniest part of this, though, is that I have the original printed
version (of the AN-91-1 document only, not the second one) before the
concept of PDF formats even existed! :) It was *totally* different in
the look, of course!

Now, I just have to dig it out ... it is hiding somewhere in my garage.
If I get a chance, I will scan it in and put it up somewhere for people
to look as well.

Z

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Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 7:59 AM
To: kmcdan...@pavtech.com; fram...@frameusers.com
Subject: Re: PDF Documentation

Kelly,

You wrote:

>Quick Survey:
>
>Is it your experience that users view PDF documentation on their
>computer display in preference to printing it for use? ...

Other than personal preferences and the type of content, key factors are
-- the extent to which the PDF is "screen friendly" (typography, layout)
-- on-screen added value offered in the PDF, including effective 
cross-document search and navigation, multimedia, user input mechanisms

Some nice examples of screen-optimized design are:
* 
http://contact.tm.agilent.com/data/static/downloads/eng/Notes/interactiv
e/an-95-1/an-95-1.pdf
* 
http://contact.tm.agilent.com/data/static/downloads/eng/Notes/interactiv
e/an-150-1/hp-am-fm.pdf
(produced 12 years ago, with Acrobat 2!)
[ or see current PDFs at http://ChangeThis.com/archives  ]

On the other hand, 
http://www.adobe.com/devnet/framemaker/pdfs/MIF_Reference.pdf is clearly

print-oriented (even though labelled "Online Manual").


Shlomo Perets

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FM9 Upgrade

[Howard Rauch]

I am currently using FM 7.0 and Windows XP Pro operating system.

I am having a problem with setting up documents for offset printing for one of 
my clients. My responsibility is to set up the document in Frame and prepare 
PDF files with separations (using Distiller) for printing. I then turn these 
over to a graphics house local to the client who coordinates the printing. The 
documents are grayscale with one spot color.

Over the past several years, we have done 5 or 6 major documents and have had a 
problem with RGB color in each one. A printing house sees us coming and tries 
to go into a hiding because the original was a FM document. The graphics house 
wants me to use InDesign, but the client and I have agreed that that software 
is not suitable for the pages upon pages of tables that make up each document.

We are currently finishing up another catalog (document) and have sent sample 
pages to the graphics house. The response is that the FM sample pages have "RGB 
channels" and are not suitable for offset printing. The graphics house has now 
recommended that we use PhotoShop to set up a gray-scale channel for the spot 
color and import the gray-scale document into FM. The client does not want 
this, but wants a gray-scale document with the spot color inserted so he can 
send out individual pages to customers. He dislikes the prospect of having two 
documents: one with gray-scale text and gray-scale art and one with 
gray-scale text and spot color art. Therein lies my dilemna.

My questions are these:
- Is there a workaround, plug-in, or something that will enable me to get rid 
of the "RGB channels" and still allow me to use the spot color in Frame?
- Would FM9 or the new FM Graphics Suite solve the RGB/spot color problem?

I am really confused about this issue, but I must resolve it. It is 
particularly frustrating because I don't have the problem with any other client.

Howard Rauch

Technology Transfer, Inc.
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TCS 2 Trial Download

[Pinkham, Jim]

For the full TCS 2, is the suite available only for trial via DVD,
rather than download? That's what appears to be the case at adobe.com,
but I thought the reality was otherwise. Am I misreading or simply not
in the right place
(http://www.adobe.com/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/trydvdreg.htm
l)?
 
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RE: TCS 2 Trial Download

[Owen, Clint]

The trial download page on adobe.com lists all of the individual
products, including FM 9.0, but you can only get TC2 on a DVD. The
download size for FM 9.0 is given as 1000 MB, so maybe the suite is just
too large. 

Also, every time I try to download FM 9.0 I get an error from my
browser(something about the request being redirected too many times). I
have tried it in IE, Opera, and Safari, with no luck. I would really
like to figure out what is going on.

Clint


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Subject: TCS 2 Trial Download

For the full TCS 2, is the suite available only for trial via DVD,
rather than download? That's what appears to be the case at adobe.com,
but I thought the reality was otherwise. Am I misreading or simply not
in the right place
(http://www.adobe.com/products/technicalcommunicationsuite/trydvdreg.htm
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Re: FM9 Upgrade

[Alan Litchfield]

Howard,

Let's just say first that there is a lot of confusion about how to deal with
RGB channels in "print  ready" pdfs. But you say you are able to
output separations (two plates, I take it from your description - one spot and
one black) so the plate makers should be able to convert any RGB to black in
both separations.

Howard Rauch wrote:
>
> Over the past several years, we have done 5 or 6 major documents and have had
> a problem with RGB color in each one. A printing house sees us coming and
> tries to go into a hiding because the original was a FM document.

Then choose a different supplier. They obviously don't want the work.

>
> We are currently finishing up another catalog (document) and have sent sample
> pages to the graphics house. The response is that the FM sample pages have
> "RGB channels" and are not suitable for offset printing.

As above. But there is no such thing as an "RGB channel". RGB is three
channels, one for Red, one for Green, and one for Blue. An application may
handle the three of them together for the sake of expediency.

> The graphics house
> has now recommended that we use PhotoShop to set up a gray-scale channel for
> the spot color and import the gray-scale document into FM. 

If you are talking about an image that is in greyscale and if people are
getting toey about it then save it as an eps or pdf and use that with the spot
colour defined. When it is separated that spot colour will be retained as a
separated plate.

> My questions are these:
> - Is there a workaround, plug-in, or something that will enable me to get rid
> of the "RGB channels" and still allow me to use the spot color in Frame?

As above. Prepress software is has been capable of converting RGB to spot or
CMYK values for at least 10 years. This is not new technology. It is not
something you need to do, it is handled by the prepress operator.

> - Would FM9 or the new FM Graphics Suite solve the RGB/spot color problem?
>

The word on the street is that it does, but only if you export to or save as
pdf. Not if you print. Others will correct me if I am wrong.

Alan

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RE: FM9 Upgrade

[Jacob Schäffer]

Howard,

It's possible to do what you want to do with our Publi PDF software.
Although it's a quite expensive tool you may want to give it a try. There is
a free 30-day live trial available including full e-mail support (which you
*do* need to set-up Publi PDF for this task). See:
http://www.grafikhuset.net/PubliPDF/.

With Publi PDF you can set-up a large number of different PDF creation
queues, each of which can hold purpose-specific properties. Colour
conversion, image handling strategies, security flags, stamping, adding
letterheads, document-splitting, simple metadata etc. can be controlled at
queue-level.

Example scenario:
-
Printing to:

(Queue A) converts all bitmap art to grayscale, captures all non-spot-color
text and vector objects and convert these to grayscale, and spot colors are
left untouched or converted to Black (or whatever color you wish).

(Queue B) don't touch anything at all.

(Queue C) deletes all images and gradients and converts all spot colours to
Black (useful for language plate creation, for example).

(Queue D) does the reverse of Queue C (useful for creating CMYK blanks, for
example).

... all from the same source document. Publi PDF operates entirely in the
back-end and does not touch your content, nor does it require much of your
content. However, there is a lot of work in planning what each Publi PDF
queue shall do, and it may require a huge effort to set-up the required
color maps. 

As a beginner with Publi PDF you *will* need support, but that's what I'm
here for :-)

Contact me off-list if you want to give Publi PDF a try.

Best regards / Med venlig hilsen
Jacob Schäffer  |  Chief Developer


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Re: FM9 Upgrade

[Scott White]

We get this exact same response with all but one printer we use,  
"These are RGB you need to fix."
I don't understand why they give us the runaround as they have the  
software and ability to take just about any rgb pdf and make the  
necessary plates for printing.
I have to get on the phone with them time and time again about this. I  
have to do this for all my clients who want to print as well.

I'm hoping the FM9 can at least make these print houses happy by  
giving true 4-color or 2-color output like the old FM 7.0 on the mac  
did.
What I have seen is if I "save as" the PDF file comes out right as  
long as my setup is correct on my end.
I now have a sample sent to my reliable printer, the one who never  
questions my jobs but just does the transformation for me, of a PDF  
created using FM9, setup for four-color, and acrobat distiller. We  
shall see.


Scott White
Media Production Manager
Implementation Coordinator
210-704-8239
swh...@alamark.com



On Jan 27, 2009, at 2:48 PM, Alan Litchfield wrote:

> Howard,
>
> Let's just say first that there is a lot of confusion about how to  
> deal with
> RGB channels in "print  ready" pdfs. But you say you are  
> able to
> output separations (two plates, I take it from your description -  
> one spot and
> one black) so the plate makers should be able to convert any RGB to  
> black in
> both separations.
>
> Howard Rauch wrote:
>>
>> Over the past several years, we have done 5 or 6 major documents  
>> and have had
>> a problem with RGB color in each one. A printing house sees us  
>> coming and
>> tries to go into a hiding because the original was a FM document.
>
> Then choose a different supplier. They obviously don't want the work.
>
>>
>> We are currently finishing up another catalog (document) and have  
>> sent sample
>> pages to the graphics house. The response is that the FM sample  
>> pages have
>> "RGB channels" and are not suitable for offset printing.
>
> As above. But there is no such thing as an "RGB channel". RGB is three
> channels, one for Red, one for Green, and one for Blue. An  
> application may
> handle the three of them together for the sake of expediency.
>
>> The graphics house
>> has now recommended that we use PhotoShop to set up a gray-scale  
>> channel for
>> the spot color and import the gray-scale document into FM.
>
> If you are talking about an image that is in greyscale and if people  
> are
> getting toey about it then save it as an eps or pdf and use that  
> with the spot
> colour defined. When it is separated that spot colour will be  
> retained as a
> separated plate.
>
>> My questions are these:
>> - Is there a workaround, plug-in, or something that will enable me  
>> to get rid
>> of the "RGB channels" and still allow me to use the spot color in  
>> Frame?
>
> As above. Prepress software is has been capable of converting RGB to  
> spot or
> CMYK values for at least 10 years. This is not new technology. It is  
> not
> something you need to do, it is handled by the prepress operator.
>
>> - Would FM9 or the new FM Graphics Suite solve the RGB/spot color  
>> problem?
>>
>
> The word on the street is that it does, but only if you export to or  
> save as
> pdf. Not if you print. Others will correct me if I am wrong.
>
> Alan
>
> -- 
> Alan Litchfield MBus (Hons), MNZCS
> AlphaByte
> PO Box 1941, Auckland
> http://www.alphabyte.co.nz
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RE: FM9 Upgrade

[Jacob Schäffer]

FM9 will undoubtedly do a generally more prepress-friendly job during "Save
as PDF" operations.

My tests so far documents huge improvements, but there are still unresolved
issues. I'll drop a post when I've finished testing.

Best regards / Med venlig hilsen
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Re: FM9 Upgrade

[Scott White]

I just got this back from my printer.

"Hey Scott!

Hope all are doing well - looks like you've got a winner!  I ran your
PDF through our RIP and there was no RGB conflicts at all - excellent!"

Good news.


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On Jan 27, 2009, at 2:57 PM, Scott White wrote:

> We get this exact same response with all but one printer we use,
> "These are RGB you need to fix."
> I don't understand why they give us the runaround as they have the
> software and ability to take just about any rgb pdf and make the
> necessary plates for printing.
> I have to get on the phone with them time and time again about this. I
> have to do this for all my clients who want to print as well.
>
> I'm hoping the FM9 can at least make these print houses happy by
> giving true 4-color or 2-color output like the old FM 7.0 on the mac
> did.
> What I have seen is if I "save as" the PDF file comes out right as
> long as my setup is correct on my end.
> I now have a sample sent to my reliable printer, the one who never
> questions my jobs but just does the transformation for me, of a PDF
> created using FM9, setup for four-color, and acrobat distiller. We
> shall see.
>
>
> Scott White
> Media Production Manager
> Implementation Coordinator
> 210-704-8239
> swh...@alamark.com
>
>
>
> On Jan 27, 2009, at 2:48 PM, Alan Litchfield wrote:
>
>> Howard,
>>
>> Let's just say first that there is a lot of confusion about how to
>> deal with
>> RGB channels in "print  ready" pdfs. But you say you are
>> able to
>> output separations (two plates, I take it from your description -
>> one spot and
>> one black) so the plate makers should be able to convert any RGB to
>> black in
>> both separations.
>>
>> Howard Rauch wrote:
>>>
>>> Over the past several years, we have done 5 or 6 major documents
>>> and have had
>>> a problem with RGB color in each one. A printing house sees us
>>> coming and
>>> tries to go into a hiding because the original was a FM document.
>>
>> Then choose a different supplier. They obviously don't want the work.
>>
>>>
>>> We are currently finishing up another catalog (document) and have
>>> sent sample
>>> pages to the graphics house. The response is that the FM sample
>>> pages have
>>> "RGB channels" and are not suitable for offset printing.
>>
>> As above. But there is no such thing as an "RGB channel". RGB is  
>> three
>> channels, one for Red, one for Green, and one for Blue. An
>> application may
>> handle the three of them together for the sake of expediency.
>>
>>> The graphics house
>>> has now recommended that we use PhotoShop to set up a gray-scale
>>> channel for
>>> the spot color and import the gray-scale document into FM.
>>
>> If you are talking about an image that is in greyscale and if people
>> are
>> getting toey about it then save it as an eps or pdf and use that
>> with the spot
>> colour defined. When it is separated that spot colour will be
>> retained as a
>> separated plate.
>>
>>> My questions are these:
>>> - Is there a workaround, plug-in, or something that will enable me
>>> to get rid
>>> of the "RGB channels" and still allow me to use the spot color in
>>> Frame?
>>
>> As above. Prepress software is has been capable of converting RGB to
>> spot or
>> CMYK values for at least 10 years. This is not new technology. It is
>> not
>> something you need to do, it is handled by the prepress operator.
>>
>>> - Would FM9 or the new FM Graphics Suite solve the RGB/spot color
>>> problem?
>>>
>>
>> The word on the street is that it does, but only if you export to or
>> save as
>> pdf. Not if you print. Others will correct me if I am wrong.
>>
>> Alan
>>
>> -- 
>> Alan Litchfield MBus (Hons), MNZCS
>> AlphaByte
>> PO Box 1941, Auckland
>> http://www.alphabyte.co.nz
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FM9 DITA integration

[John Sgammato]

I have been hoping FM9 would make it easier to get into DITA /
Structured Authoring. 
In the online help, I found this helpful tidbit:
FrameMaker 9 provides complete support for DITA v1.1. For more
information on DITA integration with FrameMaker see the online manual
Integrating DITA with Adobe FrameMaker 9.pdf on the Adobe website
www.adobe.com/go/lr_FrameMaker_support_en.

Alas! The link shows some 14 documents, but none of them is the promised
online manual. A few calls to Adobe Support resulted in the belief that
the document is not yet available and the only recourse is to keep
checking back until it arrives, while my 30 days tick away...

John Sgammato
Principal Technical Writer
Imprivata, Inc.
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Re: Outline

[Hedley Finger]

Scott, Gary:

> What you are referring to
> doing, Hedley, is operating in a structured environment.

You have misrepresented what I actually said.

I have used the DITA XML schema and the DITA-FMx plug-in for FrameMaker 
to develop structured documentation.  But it is certainly a far from 
trivial exercise to set up the structapp.fm file with all the formatting 
rules to get your preferred look and feel.  You would only take on this 
level of setting-up overhead if you could amortise the time/cost over a 
significant number of titles.

I do not think Donald was looking to get into structured documentation 
just yet.  He probably has a virtual structure where, in his mind and in 
his files, Heading 1 /is/ at a higher level than Heading 2.  For those 
who want some of the benefits of structure in unstructured documents 
without the hassle, I highly recommend Enhance for FrameMaker from 
Sandybrook Software.  You can configure it so that Heading 1 is indeed 
higher than Heading 2, so that when you collapse the Heading 1 block, 
any contained  Heading 2 subblocks are suppressed but revealed when 
Heading 1 is expanded again.

Enhance works pretty much like the structured view in Word and you can 
perform all the same operations in Enhance that you can in Word, 
including outlining when you are developing the structure initially.

So for Donald, Enhance is the way to go.

A structured document, preferable saved to XML and opened directly from 
XML (*.fm files are not used at all) has many advantages: you can use 
all the XML tools on the saved files but work in a friendly WYSIWYG 
environment.

Regards,
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Re: FM9 DITA integration

[Scott Prentice]

I don't think that there is anything in FM9 that makes it easier to get 
into DITA or structured authoring. It offers support for the DITA 1.1 
specification, but migration is still the same effort that it has been 
in earlier versions.

...scott


John Sgammato wrote:
> I have been hoping FM9 would make it easier to get into DITA /
> Structured Authoring. 
> In the online help, I found this helpful tidbit:
> FrameMaker 9 provides complete support for DITA v1.1. For more
> information on DITA integration with FrameMaker see the online manual
> Integrating DITA with Adobe FrameMaker 9.pdf on the Adobe website
> www.adobe.com/go/lr_FrameMaker_support_en.
>
> Alas! The link shows some 14 documents, but none of them is the promised
> online manual. A few calls to Adobe Support resulted in the belief that
> the document is not yet available and the only recourse is to keep
> checking back until it arrives, while my 30 days tick away...
>
> John Sgammato
> Principal Technical Writer
> Imprivata, Inc.
> [v] (781) 674-2441
>
> www.imprivata.com
> Explore the Imprivata OneSign Solutions Site
>   - see product demos and learn how
> OneSign has made organizations successful. 
>
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RE: Frame 9: improved CMYK

[Reng, Winfried]

Hi,

Here is another post from Arnis Gubins from the Adobe FrameMaker
forum:

... After extensive testing with his files and others, using
imported PDFs with the new CMYK SaveAsPDF is broken from the get go.

When using imported PDFs in FM, the CMYK SaveAsPDF option renders
these imported PDFs as low-res RGB TIFFs on output. Yuck! A major
foobar in the latest point version of this release.

HOWEVER, using EPS files works just fine! So converting the PDFs to
EPS before import is a workaround for now.

---

Best regards

Winfried

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of 
> Art Campbell
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 6:04 PM
> To: Mike H
> Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: Frame 9: improved CMYK
> 
> Mike,
> There are a couple of threads about CMYK support on the Adobe 
> User Forum for
> Frame.
> According to one of the moderators there (Arnis, who I'm not 
> sure is on this
> list), who has played with this a bit:
> 
> "Yes, CMYK (and spot colours too) works when doing the Save As PDF
> (Adobe somehow manages to slip in a different postscript header that
> isn't available when you manually print to the Adobe PDF printer
> instance). The Save As PDF works very well when everything is
> configured correctly."
> 
> So the trick seems to be electing the SaveAs option rather 
> than Printing,
> which is the default for many of us.
> I would have done it the other way around, but ...
> 
> Cheers,
> Art
> 
> Art Campbell
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>  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a 
> '52 Vincent and a
> redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>  No 
> disclaimers apply.
>   DoD 358
> 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Mike H  wrote:
> 
> > Hmm -
> > what does the 'improved CMYK support' in Frame 9 entail? MY CMYK
> > colour definitions (Pantone Process) still get converted to RGB if I
> > set the joboptions to, 'leave colour as is.' - And I just 
> note that p.
> > 446 of the manual still says that the default is CMYK -> RGB
> > conversion. However, the next paragraph tells me: "if you deselect
> > this option [which one?] Framemaker preserves CMYK 
> colours." What am I
> > missing, what option can I deselect to preserve my CMYK 
> views (I only
> > import *.eps, so that's not the issue.)?
> >
> > I know that in the pdf joboptions I can turn on, "convert 
> all colours
> > to cmyk", but that gives me CMYK (colour 'view') -> RGB -> CMYK, and
> > my Pantone percentages get all mixed up in the process. How do I
> > preserve my CMYK colour definitions without going through RGB?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Mike
> >
> > -
> > Michael Heine
> > London, ON
> > Canada
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