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Re: type vs enter

2010-07-21 Thread Neeraj Jain

We do not have a type key on the keyboard. Do we have?

Everything works the enter one. Irrespective of what the style guides say, I 
would avoid using type.

 
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From: "Gray, Steven (EPS)" 
To: "framers@lists.frameusers.com" 
Sent: Thu, 22 July, 2010 1:04:26 AM
Subject: RE: type vs enter


If I can offer an alternative to the debate, I'd like to put the word "key" out 
for consideration. My colleagues frequently say "key in the text" rather than 
"type in the text." The thought is that we are using a keyboard, rather than a 
typewriter.

Yeah, I know it doesn't fit with the Microsoft recommendations, but I feel no 
love for Microsoft anyway.

Steve Gray
Tyco Electronics, Engineering Practices and Standards
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type vs enter

2010-07-21 Thread Neeraj Jain

We do not have a type key on the keyboard. Do we have?

Everything works the enter one. Irrespective of what the style guides say, I 
would avoid using type.


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From: "Gray, Steven (EPS)" 
To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" 
Sent: Thu, 22 July, 2010 1:04:26 AM
Subject: RE: type vs enter


If I can offer an alternative to the debate, I'd like to put the word "key" out 
for consideration. My colleagues frequently say "key in the text" rather than 
"type in the text." The thought is that we are using a keyboard, rather than a 
typewriter.

Yeah, I know it doesn't fit with the Microsoft recommendations, but I feel no 
love for Microsoft anyway.

Steve Gray
Tyco Electronics, Engineering Practices and Standards
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RE: Flakey cross references

2010-07-21 Thread Reng, Dr. Winfried

Hi,

When you have activated "Track Text Edits" and cut text and
paste it elsewhere in the same file, FrameMaker also does 
not paste the marker. The marker is still in its previous
location, just with the condition FM8_TRACK_CHANGES_DELETED.
When you later accept your changes, the cross-reference to
that text will become unresolved. It would have pointed to
the wrong location anyway.

Best regards

Winfried

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of 
> Combs, Richard
> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 4:03 AM
> To: Combs, Richard; dr_go...@pobox.com; Dr Rick Smith
> Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Flakey cross references
> 
> My apologies to Steve if this came across as rude. I usually 
> remember to review for snippiness before sending, but my 
> microwave was beeping at me. :-) 
> 
> Nonetheless, I stand by my points. And I remembered another 
> reason xrefs can unexpectedly break. If you cut and paste 
> text containing an xref marker, FM retains the marker, so the 
> xrefs to it will find the text's new location. But if you 
> _copy_ and paste, FM is clever enough to eliminate the marker 
> so that you don't have duplicate "unique" markers. So, if 
> you're the belt-and-suspenders type who first copies and 
> pastes, and then goes back and cuts the original -- oops, 
> broken xrefs. 
> 
> Richard
> 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-
> > boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Combs, Richard
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 7:32 PM
> > To: dr_go...@pobox.com; Dr Rick Smith
> > Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> > Subject: RE: Flakey cross references
> > 
> > Steve Johnson wrote:
> > 
> > > I've had it both ways but as a best practice you need to save the
> > > document you're referring to after you place the cross-reference.
> > >
> > > Every tag that is the target of a cross-reference gets a 
> marker. For
> > > reasons unknown to me, sometimes these markers become 
> stale and have
> > > to be deleted and reinserted. This might also cause your 
> references to
> > > break.
> > >
> > > Do a search for All Markers or for Markers of Type 
> cross-reference and
> > > check them out. Make sure the marker matches the tag with 
> which it's
> > > associated.
> > 
> > Sorry, but this is just bad advice. Cross-reference markers 
> don't become
> > "stale."
> > 
> > When you point a cross-reference to a paragraph, FM 
> generates a unique
> > string for the marker text. (If you point xrefs to markers 
> you manually
> > inserted -- which is necessary when creating xrefs to 
> destinations in text
> > insets -- it's up to you to ensure that the marker text is 
> unique and
> > identifiable by you.)
> > 
> > This unique marker text string identifies the destination 
> of the cross-
> > reference so the cross-reference "knows" where to take you. 
> The string
> > looks something like this:
> > 
> > 38790: Head1: Conference Templates
> > 
> > The second element of the string is the name of the 
> paragraph tag in which
> > the marker is created. But it's just a unique string; using 
> the pgf tag
> > name is just a convention some FM programmers chose to use. 
> If you change
> > that paragraph to a Head2, the marker string isn't updated 
> to "38790:
> > Head2: Conference Templates" -- it remains unchanged. It _has_ to,
> > otherwise the cross-references to that marker won't be able 
> to find it
> > anymore and will be broken.
> > 
> > If you delete and reinsert xref markers (unless you exactly 
> re-create their
> > marker text), or if you "(m)ake sure the marker matches the 
> tag," you'll
> > _definitely_ break the cross-references to it.
> > 
> > Some of the reasons cross-references break are:
> > 
> > (1) The destination file isn't open, and FM can't open it 
> in the background
> > to resolve the xref (because, e.g., there are missing fonts).
> > 
> > (2) The destination is in hidden conditional text (this is 
> operator error;
> > the xref should have the same condition applied and also be hidden).
> > 
> > (3) Someone accidentally deleted the marker (most often happens when
> > editing without View > Text Symbols turned on).
> > 
> > (4) Someone who doesn't understand markers thinks editing 
> the marker text
> > or re-creating them to overcome "staleness" is a good idea.
> > 
> > 
> > Richard G. Combs
> > Senior Technical Writer
> > Polycom, Inc.
> > richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
> > 303-223-5111
> > --
> > rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
> > 303-903-6372
> > --
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RE: Flakey cross references

2010-07-21 Thread Combs, Richard

My apologies to Steve if this came across as rude. I usually remember to review 
for snippiness before sending, but my microwave was beeping at me. :-) 

Nonetheless, I stand by my points. And I remembered another reason xrefs can 
unexpectedly break. If you cut and paste text containing an xref marker, FM 
retains the marker, so the xrefs to it will find the text's new location. But 
if you _copy_ and paste, FM is clever enough to eliminate the marker so that 
you don't have duplicate "unique" markers. So, if you're the 
belt-and-suspenders type who first copies and pastes, and then goes back and 
cuts the original -- oops, broken xrefs. 

Richard

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-
> boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Combs, Richard
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 7:32 PM
> To: dr_go...@pobox.com; Dr Rick Smith
> Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Flakey cross references
> 
> Steve Johnson wrote:
> 
> > I've had it both ways but as a best practice you need to save the
> > document you're referring to after you place the cross-reference.
> >
> > Every tag that is the target of a cross-reference gets a marker. For
> > reasons unknown to me, sometimes these markers become stale and have
> > to be deleted and reinserted. This might also cause your references to
> > break.
> >
> > Do a search for All Markers or for Markers of Type cross-reference and
> > check them out. Make sure the marker matches the tag with which it's
> > associated.
> 
> Sorry, but this is just bad advice. Cross-reference markers don't become
> "stale."
> 
> When you point a cross-reference to a paragraph, FM generates a unique
> string for the marker text. (If you point xrefs to markers you manually
> inserted -- which is necessary when creating xrefs to destinations in text
> insets -- it's up to you to ensure that the marker text is unique and
> identifiable by you.)
> 
> This unique marker text string identifies the destination of the cross-
> reference so the cross-reference "knows" where to take you. The string
> looks something like this:
> 
>   38790: Head1: Conference Templates
> 
> The second element of the string is the name of the paragraph tag in which
> the marker is created. But it's just a unique string; using the pgf tag
> name is just a convention some FM programmers chose to use. If you change
> that paragraph to a Head2, the marker string isn't updated to "38790:
> Head2: Conference Templates" -- it remains unchanged. It _has_ to,
> otherwise the cross-references to that marker won't be able to find it
> anymore and will be broken.
> 
> If you delete and reinsert xref markers (unless you exactly re-create their
> marker text), or if you "(m)ake sure the marker matches the tag," you'll
> _definitely_ break the cross-references to it.
> 
> Some of the reasons cross-references break are:
> 
> (1) The destination file isn't open, and FM can't open it in the background
> to resolve the xref (because, e.g., there are missing fonts).
> 
> (2) The destination is in hidden conditional text (this is operator error;
> the xref should have the same condition applied and also be hidden).
> 
> (3) Someone accidentally deleted the marker (most often happens when
> editing without View > Text Symbols turned on).
> 
> (4) Someone who doesn't understand markers thinks editing the marker text
> or re-creating them to overcome "staleness" is a good idea.
> 
> 
> Richard G. Combs
> Senior Technical Writer
> Polycom, Inc.
> richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
> 303-223-5111
> --
> rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
> 303-903-6372
> --
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Flakey cross references

2010-07-21 Thread Combs, Richard

My apologies to Steve if this came across as rude. I usually remember to review 
for snippiness before sending, but my microwave was beeping at me. :-) 

Nonetheless, I stand by my points. And I remembered another reason xrefs can 
unexpectedly break. If you cut and paste text containing an xref marker, FM 
retains the marker, so the xrefs to it will find the text's new location. But 
if you _copy_ and paste, FM is clever enough to eliminate the marker so that 
you don't have duplicate "unique" markers. So, if you're the 
belt-and-suspenders type who first copies and pastes, and then goes back and 
cuts the original -- oops, broken xrefs. 

Richard

> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-
> bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Combs, Richard
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 7:32 PM
> To: dr_gonzo at pobox.com; Dr Rick Smith
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: Flakey cross references
> 
> Steve Johnson wrote:
> 
> > I've had it both ways but as a best practice you need to save the
> > document you're referring to after you place the cross-reference.
> >
> > Every tag that is the target of a cross-reference gets a marker. For
> > reasons unknown to me, sometimes these markers become stale and have
> > to be deleted and reinserted. This might also cause your references to
> > break.
> >
> > Do a search for All Markers or for Markers of Type cross-reference and
> > check them out. Make sure the marker matches the tag with which it's
> > associated.
> 
> Sorry, but this is just bad advice. Cross-reference markers don't become
> "stale."
> 
> When you point a cross-reference to a paragraph, FM generates a unique
> string for the marker text. (If you point xrefs to markers you manually
> inserted -- which is necessary when creating xrefs to destinations in text
> insets -- it's up to you to ensure that the marker text is unique and
> identifiable by you.)
> 
> This unique marker text string identifies the destination of the cross-
> reference so the cross-reference "knows" where to take you. The string
> looks something like this:
> 
>   38790: Head1: Conference Templates
> 
> The second element of the string is the name of the paragraph tag in which
> the marker is created. But it's just a unique string; using the pgf tag
> name is just a convention some FM programmers chose to use. If you change
> that paragraph to a Head2, the marker string isn't updated to "38790:
> Head2: Conference Templates" -- it remains unchanged. It _has_ to,
> otherwise the cross-references to that marker won't be able to find it
> anymore and will be broken.
> 
> If you delete and reinsert xref markers (unless you exactly re-create their
> marker text), or if you "(m)ake sure the marker matches the tag," you'll
> _definitely_ break the cross-references to it.
> 
> Some of the reasons cross-references break are:
> 
> (1) The destination file isn't open, and FM can't open it in the background
> to resolve the xref (because, e.g., there are missing fonts).
> 
> (2) The destination is in hidden conditional text (this is operator error;
> the xref should have the same condition applied and also be hidden).
> 
> (3) Someone accidentally deleted the marker (most often happens when
> editing without View > Text Symbols turned on).
> 
> (4) Someone who doesn't understand markers thinks editing the marker text
> or re-creating them to overcome "staleness" is a good idea.
> 
> 
> Richard G. Combs
> Senior Technical Writer
> Polycom, Inc.
> richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
> 303-223-5111
> --
> rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
> 303-903-6372
> --
> 
> 
> 
> 
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RE: Frame X-REFs in Text Inset not Active in Book PDF

2010-07-21 Thread Combs, Richard

Graham, Jasmine S wrote:

> Structured Frame 8.0 (TCS1), XP, importing procedures written in text
> insets into multiple books. I found today that any cross-references within
> the text insets are not getting picked up as active cross-references in the
> book PDF. Any other normal X-REFs are working fine. No X-REF errors when
> updating the book in Frame. All X-REFs are updating correctly (all
> numbering is correct). Just can't click these x-ref links in the PDF to
> jump to the destination being referenced.

This is a long-standing bug (I've only dealt with it in unstructured FM, but 
I'm sure it's the same problem). The workaround is this: 

1) Just before producing the PDF, open and save all files in the book. 

2) "Flatten" all text insets in the book (that is, convert them to text). 

3) Create the PDF. 

4) Close all the files _without saving_. 

Obviously, step 4 is critical, or you no longer have any text insets. And if 
you have lots of books with lots of files containing lots of text insets, this 
is very tedious and error-prone. It's also highly scriptable, and as Alison 
suggested, Rick Quatro (frameexpert.com) is the man to see. 

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
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Frame X-REFs in Text Inset not Active in Book PDF

2010-07-21 Thread Combs, Richard

Graham, Jasmine S wrote:

> Structured Frame 8.0 (TCS1), XP, importing procedures written in text
> insets into multiple books. I found today that any cross-references within
> the text insets are not getting picked up as active cross-references in the
> book PDF. Any other normal X-REFs are working fine. No X-REF errors when
> updating the book in Frame. All X-REFs are updating correctly (all
> numbering is correct). Just can't click these x-ref links in the PDF to
> jump to the destination being referenced.

This is a long-standing bug (I've only dealt with it in unstructured FM, but 
I'm sure it's the same problem). The workaround is this: 

1) Just before producing the PDF, open and save all files in the book. 

2) "Flatten" all text insets in the book (that is, convert them to text). 

3) Create the PDF. 

4) Close all the files _without saving_. 

Obviously, step 4 is critical, or you no longer have any text insets. And if 
you have lots of books with lots of files containing lots of text insets, this 
is very tedious and error-prone. It's also highly scriptable, and as Alison 
suggested, Rick Quatro (frameexpert.com) is the man to see. 

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-903-6372
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RE: Flakey cross references

2010-07-21 Thread Combs, Richard

Steve Johnson wrote:

> I've had it both ways but as a best practice you need to save the
> document you're referring to after you place the cross-reference.
> 
> Every tag that is the target of a cross-reference gets a marker. For
> reasons unknown to me, sometimes these markers become stale and have
> to be deleted and reinserted. This might also cause your references to
> break.
> 
> Do a search for All Markers or for Markers of Type cross-reference and
> check them out. Make sure the marker matches the tag with which it's
> associated.

Sorry, but this is just bad advice. Cross-reference markers don't become 
"stale." 

When you point a cross-reference to a paragraph, FM generates a unique string 
for the marker text. (If you point xrefs to markers you manually inserted -- 
which is necessary when creating xrefs to destinations in text insets -- it's 
up to you to ensure that the marker text is unique and identifiable by you.) 

This unique marker text string identifies the destination of the 
cross-reference so the cross-reference "knows" where to take you. The string 
looks something like this: 

38790: Head1: Conference Templates

The second element of the string is the name of the paragraph tag in which the 
marker is created. But it's just a unique string; using the pgf tag name is 
just a convention some FM programmers chose to use. If you change that 
paragraph to a Head2, the marker string isn't updated to "38790: Head2: 
Conference Templates" -- it remains unchanged. It _has_ to, otherwise the 
cross-references to that marker won't be able to find it anymore and will be 
broken.

If you delete and reinsert xref markers (unless you exactly re-create their 
marker text), or if you "(m)ake sure the marker matches the tag," you'll 
_definitely_ break the cross-references to it. 

Some of the reasons cross-references break are: 

(1) The destination file isn't open, and FM can't open it in the background to 
resolve the xref (because, e.g., there are missing fonts).

(2) The destination is in hidden conditional text (this is operator error; the 
xref should have the same condition applied and also be hidden). 

(3) Someone accidentally deleted the marker (most often happens when editing 
without View > Text Symbols turned on). 

(4) Someone who doesn't understand markers thinks editing the marker text or 
re-creating them to overcome "staleness" is a good idea. 

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-903-6372
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Flakey cross references

2010-07-21 Thread Combs, Richard

Steve Johnson wrote:

> I've had it both ways but as a best practice you need to save the
> document you're referring to after you place the cross-reference.
> 
> Every tag that is the target of a cross-reference gets a marker. For
> reasons unknown to me, sometimes these markers become stale and have
> to be deleted and reinserted. This might also cause your references to
> break.
> 
> Do a search for All Markers or for Markers of Type cross-reference and
> check them out. Make sure the marker matches the tag with which it's
> associated.

Sorry, but this is just bad advice. Cross-reference markers don't become 
"stale." 

When you point a cross-reference to a paragraph, FM generates a unique string 
for the marker text. (If you point xrefs to markers you manually inserted -- 
which is necessary when creating xrefs to destinations in text insets -- it's 
up to you to ensure that the marker text is unique and identifiable by you.) 

This unique marker text string identifies the destination of the 
cross-reference so the cross-reference "knows" where to take you. The string 
looks something like this: 

38790: Head1: Conference Templates

The second element of the string is the name of the paragraph tag in which the 
marker is created. But it's just a unique string; using the pgf tag name is 
just a convention some FM programmers chose to use. If you change that 
paragraph to a Head2, the marker string isn't updated to "38790: Head2: 
Conference Templates" -- it remains unchanged. It _has_ to, otherwise the 
cross-references to that marker won't be able to find it anymore and will be 
broken.

If you delete and reinsert xref markers (unless you exactly re-create their 
marker text), or if you "(m)ake sure the marker matches the tag," you'll 
_definitely_ break the cross-references to it. 

Some of the reasons cross-references break are: 

(1) The destination file isn't open, and FM can't open it in the background to 
resolve the xref (because, e.g., there are missing fonts).

(2) The destination is in hidden conditional text (this is operator error; the 
xref should have the same condition applied and also be hidden). 

(3) Someone accidentally deleted the marker (most often happens when editing 
without View > Text Symbols turned on). 

(4) Someone who doesn't understand markers thinks editing the marker text or 
re-creating them to overcome "staleness" is a good idea. 

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-903-6372
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RE: Frame X-REFs in Text Inset not Active in Book PDF

2010-07-21 Thread Alison Craig

There was a thread back in April that talked about this: "Cross-references and 
text insets".

From that I learned that you can't do this manually, but, this solution was 
proffered:

> Hi,
> 
> Just to let you know, I do have a FrameScript solution that makes the 
> cross-references work in the PDFs. If you are interested, please contact 
> me offlist. Thank you very much.

> Rick Quatro
> Carmen Publishing Inc.
> 585-659-8267
> r...@frameexpert.com
>
> *** Frame Automation blog at http://frameautomation.com

Alison Craig, Technical Writer
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127
Fax: (604) 279-8559
E-mail: alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com
 
 

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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Graham, Jasmine S
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 7:35 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Frame X-REFs in Text Inset not Active in Book PDF

Hello Framers,

 

Structured Frame 8.0 (TCS1), XP, importing procedures written in text insets 
into multiple books. I found today that any cross-references within the text 
insets are not getting picked up as active cross-references in the book PDF. 
Any other normal X-REFs are working fine. No X-REF errors when updating the 
book in Frame. All X-REFs are updating correctly (all numbering is correct). 
Just can't click these x-ref links in the PDF to jump to the destination being 
referenced. 

 

I tried looking at the PDF job options, but didn't see anything obvious. Any 
ideas?

 

Thanks in advance! 

 

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Technical Writer, Research and Development 

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Re: Frame X-REFs in Text Inset not Active in Book PDF

2010-07-21 Thread David Spreadbury

Jasmine,
Probably not the desired option, but you could try importing the text insets 
into the document instead of by reference.
 
There has been other activity here on this subject. You might want to search 
the archives and see what developed from those earlier queries.

--- On Wed, 7/21/10, Graham, Jasmine S  wrote:


From: Graham, Jasmine S 
Subject: Frame X-REFs in Text Inset not Active in Book PDF
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 9:34 AM


Hello Framers,



Structured Frame 8.0 (TCS1), XP, importing procedures written in text insets 
into multiple books. I found today that any cross-references within the text 
insets are not getting picked up as active cross-references in the book PDF. 
Any other normal X-REFs are working fine. No X-REF errors when updating the 
book in Frame. All X-REFs are updating correctly (all numbering is correct). 
Just can't click these x-ref links in the PDF to jump to the destination being 
referenced. 



I tried looking at the PDF job options, but didn't see anything obvious. Any 
ideas?



Thanks in advance! 



Jasmine Graham

Technical Writer, Research and Development 

Wireline Services

Weatherford │ 481 Winscott Road │ Fort Worth │ TX │ 76126 

Main: +1.817.249.7200 │ Direct: +1.817.249.7032 │ Fax: +1.817.249.7885 │ 
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Frame X-REFs in Text Inset not Active in Book PDF

2010-07-21 Thread Alison Craig

There was a thread back in April that talked about this: "Cross-references and 
text insets".

>From that I learned that you can't do this manually, but, this solution was 
>proffered:

> Hi,
> 
> Just to let you know, I do have a FrameScript solution that makes the 
> cross-references work in the PDFs. If you are interested, please contact 
> me offlist. Thank you very much.

> Rick Quatro
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> 585-659-8267
> rick at frameexpert.com
>
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Subject: Frame X-REFs in Text Inset not Active in Book PDF

Hello Framers,



Structured Frame 8.0 (TCS1), XP, importing procedures written in text insets 
into multiple books. I found today that any cross-references within the text 
insets are not getting picked up as active cross-references in the book PDF. 
Any other normal X-REFs are working fine. No X-REF errors when updating the 
book in Frame. All X-REFs are updating correctly (all numbering is correct). 
Just can't click these x-ref links in the PDF to jump to the destination being 
referenced. 



I tried looking at the PDF job options, but didn't see anything obvious. Any 
ideas?



Thanks in advance! 



Jasmine Graham

Technical Writer, Research and Development 

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Frame X-REFs in Text Inset not Active in Book PDF

2010-07-21 Thread David Spreadbury

Jasmine,
Probably not the desired option, but you could try importing the text insets 
into the document instead of by reference.
?
There has been other activity here on this subject. You might want to search 
the archives and see what developed from those earlier queries.

--- On Wed, 7/21/10, Graham, Jasmine S  
wrote:


From: Graham, Jasmine S 
Subject: Frame X-REFs in Text Inset not Active in Book PDF
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 9:34 AM


Hello Framers,



Structured Frame 8.0 (TCS1), XP, importing procedures written in text insets 
into multiple books. I found today that any cross-references within the text 
insets are not getting picked up as active cross-references in the book PDF. 
Any other normal X-REFs are working fine. No X-REF errors when updating the 
book in Frame. All X-REFs are updating correctly (all numbering is correct). 
Just can't click these x-ref links in the PDF to jump to the destination being 
referenced. 



I tried looking at the PDF job options, but didn't see anything obvious. Any 
ideas?



Thanks in advance! 



Jasmine Graham

Technical Writer, Research and Development 

Wireline Services

Weatherford ? 481 Winscott Road ? Fort Worth ? TX ? 76126 

Main: +1.817.249.7200 ? Direct: +1.817.249.7032 ? Fax: +1.817.249.7885 ? 
Mobile: +1.817.235.3620 

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RE: type vs enter

2010-07-21 Thread Gray, Steven (EPS)


If I can offer an alternative to the debate, I'd like to put the word "key" out 
for consideration. My colleagues frequently say "key in the text" rather than 
"type in the text." The thought is that we are using a keyboard, rather than a 
typewriter.

Yeah, I know it doesn't fit with the Microsoft recommendations, but I feel no 
love for Microsoft anyway.

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RE: Embedding sound files in Frame8 docs

2010-07-21 Thread Anthony Davey

Hi Rick,

Thank you for this information.  It's not something we need to do a lot of 
(yet); and scripting Frame is something I haven't had to get into yet, so this 
could be a great learning experience :)

Best regards,
Ant

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To: Anthony Davey; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Embedding sound files in Frame8 docs

Hi Anthony,

You can do this with pdfmark statements embedded in your FrameMaker
documents. The easiest way to automate this process is with TimeSavers and
the optional Multimedia Assistant. See http://www.microtype.com for details.
This is excellent software and will save you a ton of time if you have a lot
of sounds to embed.

If you want more details on what is possible, please contact me offlist and
I will try to help you. Please let me know if you have any questions or
comments. Thank you very much.

Rick

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-659-8267
r...@frameexpert.com

*** Frame Automation blog at http://frameautomation.com


Hi everybody,

I have a Frame document which will eventually be saved as a PDF using
Acrobat 9 Pro.  What I want to achieve is embedded sound files (I believe
acrobat will now only handle mp3, so I have those) with an icon
representation that, when clicked, will play the sound file.

I have tried embedding the files into the Frame doc, and the PDF doesn't
play them.  I have tried embedding them in the PDF, which works, but when I
click the icon an mp3 file icon appears over the top of it.  This is a grey
box with very small stop, play and pause buttons and a 'file progress play
line'.  This remains visible after the file has played, and would mean
little to any of my readers.

Does anybody have a solution, preferably in Frame, but otherwise in the PDF
that will allow me to embed a sound file that plays when an icon is clicked?

Multitudinous thanks in advance,
Ant



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Frame X-REFs in Text Inset not Active in Book PDF

2010-07-21 Thread Graham, Jasmine S

Hello Framers,

 

Structured Frame 8.0 (TCS1), XP, importing procedures written in text insets 
into multiple books. I found today that any cross-references within the text 
insets are not getting picked up as active cross-references in the book PDF. 
Any other normal X-REFs are working fine. No X-REF errors when updating the 
book in Frame. All X-REFs are updating correctly (all numbering is correct). 
Just can't click these x-ref links in the PDF to jump to the destination being 
referenced. 

 

I tried looking at the PDF job options, but didn't see anything obvious. Any 
ideas?

 

Thanks in advance! 

 

Jasmine Graham

Technical Writer, Research and Development 

Wireline Services

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Re: Flakey cross references

2010-07-21 Thread Steve Johnson

I've had it both ways but as a best practice you need to save the
document you're referring to after you place the cross-reference.

Every tag that is the target of a cross-reference gets a marker. For
reasons unknown to me, sometimes these markers become stale and have
to be deleted and reinserted. This might also cause your references to
break.

Do a search for All Markers or for Markers of Type cross-reference and
check them out. Make sure the marker matches the tag with which it's
associated.

On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 8:09 AM, Dr Rick Smith  wrote:
> Keep in mind that there are two parts to every cross reference: the text that 
> refers, and the text referred to. You need both files open to create a cross 
> reference and you must save BOTH files to preserve the cross reference.
>
> As far a I know, you can't create a cross reference to a read-only file. But 
> honestly, I've never seriously tried.
>
>
>> On Jul 20, 2010, at 1:00 PM, framers-requ...@lists.frameusers.com wrote:
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>>> From: "Layton, Debbie" 
>>> To: 
>>> Subject: Flakey cross references
>>> Message-ID:
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>>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> I'm using FrameMaker 7.0 on XP Professional. I've got a book with about
>>> 11 chapters in it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I continue to get unresolved cross reference messages. I have gone in
>>> and re-done all of them, since the original files were copied from
>>> another manual, but when I open the documents again, I get the messages
>>> again. None of the files have been moved. I have been printing .ps files
>>> in order to create PDFs of the book. (Somehow that seems to have
>>> something to do with the problem.) The links in the PDF files are fine,
>>> and the page numbers are correct.
>>>
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FM 9 and the Pending Marker

2010-07-21 Thread Bill Swallow

Ad Lief mentioned, I don't think it was ever there.

On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Alison Craig
 wrote:
> I was thinking along the same lines - creating a list that I could jump to 
> sounds very handy.
>
> It just seemed to me rather odd that functionality disappeared from the 
> program.
>
> I always hate it when companies do that.

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FM 9 and the Pending Marker

2010-07-21 Thread Rick Quatro

Hi Alison,

I am not sure I follow you; what functionality disappeared from FrameMaker?
There has never been a built-in "Pending" marker type in FrameMaker. The
article you referred to probably assumed that the readers knew that you can
easily create custom marker types with FrameMaker. The article used
"Pending" but you could also use the same technique with one of the built-in
marker types, or a custom marker type with a different name.

Rick

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585-659-8267
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Subject: RE: FM 9 and the Pending Marker

I was thinking along the same lines - creating a list that I could jump to
sounds very handy.

It just seemed to me rather odd that functionality disappeared from the
program.

I always hate it when companies do that.

Alison

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Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
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Fax: (604) 279-8559
E-mail: alison.craig at ultrasonix.com

Embedding sound files in Frame8 docs

2010-07-21 Thread Anthony Davey

Hi Rick,

Thank you for this information.  It's not something we need to do a lot of 
(yet); and scripting Frame is something I haven't had to get into yet, so this 
could be a great learning experience :)

Best regards,
Ant

-Original Message-
From: Rick Quatro [mailto:r...@rickquatro.com] 
Sent: 20 July 2010 21:41
To: Anthony Davey; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Embedding sound files in Frame8 docs

Hi Anthony,

You can do this with pdfmark statements embedded in your FrameMaker
documents. The easiest way to automate this process is with TimeSavers and
the optional Multimedia Assistant. See http://www.microtype.com for details.
This is excellent software and will save you a ton of time if you have a lot
of sounds to embed.

If you want more details on what is possible, please contact me offlist and
I will try to help you. Please let me know if you have any questions or
comments. Thank you very much.

Rick

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-659-8267
rick at frameexpert.com

*** Frame Automation blog at http://frameautomation.com


Hi everybody,

I have a Frame document which will eventually be saved as a PDF using
Acrobat 9 Pro.  What I want to achieve is embedded sound files (I believe
acrobat will now only handle mp3, so I have those) with an icon
representation that, when clicked, will play the sound file.

I have tried embedding the files into the Frame doc, and the PDF doesn't
play them.  I have tried embedding them in the PDF, which works, but when I
click the icon an mp3 file icon appears over the top of it.  This is a grey
box with very small stop, play and pause buttons and a 'file progress play
line'.  This remains visible after the file has played, and would mean
little to any of my readers.

Does anybody have a solution, preferably in Frame, but otherwise in the PDF
that will allow me to embed a sound file that plays when an icon is clicked?

Multitudinous thanks in advance,
Ant



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Mystery shortcut: help required

2010-07-21 Thread Steve Rickaby

I've just (accidentally) typed command-option-5 in the book window of Mac 
FrameMaker (version 7). FrameMaker opened every book file, did something and 
then closed them again. I can't find this keystroke listed in the shortcuts.

What did I do?
-- 
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type vs enter

2010-07-21 Thread Gray, Steven (EPS)


If I can offer an alternative to the debate, I'd like to put the word "key" out 
for consideration. My colleagues frequently say "key in the text" rather than 
"type in the text." The thought is that we are using a keyboard, rather than a 
typewriter.

Yeah, I know it doesn't fit with the Microsoft recommendations, but I feel no 
love for Microsoft anyway.

Steve Gray
Tyco Electronics, Engineering Practices and Standards

FM 9 and the Pending Marker

2010-07-21 Thread Bill Swallow

Absolutely! I'd always used a Draft condition as well. The marker
gives you the ability to easily report on areas yet complete, and
makes life so much easier for your editor (if you're fortunate to have
one, or peer editors) to find and approve pending content amidst a sea
of existing finalized info.

On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Lief Erickson
 wrote:
> I imagine it's a marker you create on your own. I've never seen a "Pending" 
> marker in the 12 years I've used FrameMaker. I'm currently using v9. So, like 
> Bill said, you'd have to create your own (and import/add it to all of your 
> files).
>
> Instead of using markers, I have used conditional text to accomplish what the 
> author has suggested. I created "Draft" tag. That allowed me to show/hide 
> text until it had been approved. Of course, there's no reason both methods 
> couldn't be used together. I like the idea of being able to create a List of 
> Markers and jump to it and ?like the idea of being able to hide unapproved 
> draft text. The List of Markers certainly makes it easier to jump to a spot 
> than searching for a conditional text tag.

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FM 9 and the Pending Marker

2010-07-21 Thread Fred Ridder


As of FrameMaker 8, there are 12 standard marker types:

-Author

-Comment

-Conditional Text

-Cross-ref

-Equation

-Glossary

-Header/Footer $1

-Header/Footer $2

-HTML Macro

-Hypertext

-Index

-Subject



But at the bottom of the list is a choice called "Edit...", which allows you to 
define any other types you want to use for any other purpose. There is nothing 
"magic" about user-defined marker; the type is just an arbitrary attribute that 
you can use for finding/filtering/listing the markers. 



-Fred Ridder

> From: Alison.Craig at ultrasonix.com
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 10:54:57 -0700
> Subject: FM 9 and the Pending Marker
> 
> I was noodling around on the web yesterday and came across various posts 
> (with various dates) of an article by Dr. Ugur Akinci on FM's "Pending" 
> Marker option, eg,:
> 
> http://www.technicalcommunicationcenter.com/2009/02/22/technical-writing-how-to-use-the-pending-marker-in-framemaker/
> 
> The problem is, "Pending" doesn't seem to be one of the Markers available in 
> FM9. I could always create my own "Pending" Marker but I wondered if I was 
> simply missing something. Does anyone know if this Marker has been removed in 
> the latest versions of Frame?
> 
> Alison
> 
> PS: Strangely enough, neither the FM9 PDF manual nor the Scriptorium 
> Unstructured FM8 PDF manual seem to have a complete list of the Markers 
> available in the product. They talk about specific ones when appropriate to a 
> specific topic, but they don't include a definitive list (unless it's hiding 
> under a title that doesn't contain the words "Marker Type").
> 
> 
> Alison Craig, Technical Writer
> Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
> Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127
> E-mail: alison.craig at ultrasonix.com
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FM 9 and the Pending Marker

2010-07-21 Thread Bill Swallow

> I was noodling around on the web yesterday and came across various posts 
> (with various dates) of an article by Dr. Ugur Akinci on FM's "Pending" 
> Marker option, eg,:
>
> http://www.technicalcommunicationcenter.com/2009/02/22/technical-writing-how-to-use-the-pending-marker-in-framemaker/
>
> The problem is, "Pending" doesn't seem to be one of the Markers available in 
> FM9. I could always create my own "Pending" Marker but I wondered if I was 
> simply missing something. Does anyone know if this Marker has been removed in 
> the latest versions of Frame?

No idea, and I don't have FM9 at my present location to check (it's
home). But, even if you need to create it, it doesn't interrupt the
process outlined in the article. Nice find!

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RE: FM 9 and the Pending Marker - FINAL

2010-07-21 Thread Alison Craig

Based on the article, there should be a built-in Pending Marker.

It has been made clear to me by lots of people that the article misspeaks - it 
should have started with "Create a Pending Marker". It didn't, therefore it 
looks like the functionality has been removed.

This is why I ask questions of the list. Someone will *always* know more than I 
do (especially as I only have about a year of Frame experience!) and correct my 
errors and/or answer my questions.

Alison

From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:36 PM
To: Alison Craig
Subject: RE: FM 9 and the Pending Marker

What functionality is it that you think disappeared?

> From: alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com
> To: l...@networkinstruments.com
> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 12:59:38 -0700
> Subject: RE: FM 9 and the Pending Marker
> CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com
>
> I was thinking along the same lines - creating a list that I could jump to 
> sounds very handy.
>
> It just seemed to me rather odd that functionality disappeared from the 
> program.
>
> I always hate it when companies do that.
>
> Alison
>
> Alison Craig, Technical Writer
> Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
> Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127
> Fax: (604) 279-8559
> E-mail: alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Lief Erickson [mailto:l...@networkinstruments.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 11:47 AM
> To: Alison Craig
> Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: FM 9 and the Pending Marker
>
> I imagine it's a marker you create on your own. I've never seen a "Pending" 
> marker in the 12 years I've used FrameMaker. I'm currently using v9. So, like 
> Bill said, you'd have to create your own (and import/add it to all of your 
> files).
>
> Instead of using markers, I have used conditional text to accomplish what the 
> author has suggested. I created "Draft" tag. That allowed me to show/hide 
> text until it had been approved. Of course, there's no reason both methods 
> couldn't be used together. I like the idea of being able to create a List of 
> Markers and jump to it and like the idea of being able to hide unapproved 
> draft text. The List of Markers certainly makes it easier to jump to a spot 
> than searching for a conditional text tag.
>
> -Lief
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
> [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bill Swallow
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:33 PM
> To: Alison Craig
> Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: FM 9 and the Pending Marker
>
> > I was noodling around on the web yesterday and came across various posts 
> > (with various dates) of an article by Dr. Ugur Akinci on FM's "Pending" 
> > Marker option, eg,:
> >
> > http://www.technicalcommunicationcenter.com/2009/02/22/technical-writing-how-to-use-the-pending-marker-in-framemaker/
> >
> > The problem is, "Pending" doesn't seem to be one of the Markers available 
> > in FM9. I could always create my own "Pending" Marker but I wondered if I 
> > was simply missing something. Does anyone know if this Marker has been 
> > removed in the latest versions of Frame?
>
> No idea, and I don't have FM9 at my present location to check (it's
> home). But, even if you need to create it, it doesn't interrupt the
> process outlined in the article. Nice find!
>
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FM 9 and the Pending Marker

2010-07-21 Thread Lief Erickson

I imagine it's a marker you create on your own. I've never seen a "Pending" 
marker in the 12 years I've used FrameMaker. I'm currently using v9. So, like 
Bill said, you'd have to create your own (and import/add it to all of your 
files).

Instead of using markers, I have used conditional text to accomplish what the 
author has suggested. I created "Draft" tag. That allowed me to show/hide text 
until it had been approved. Of course, there's no reason both methods couldn't 
be used together. I like the idea of being able to create a List of Markers and 
jump to it and  like the idea of being able to hide unapproved draft text. The 
List of Markers certainly makes it easier to jump to a spot than searching for 
a conditional text tag.

-Lief

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bill Swallow
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:33 PM
To: Alison Craig
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FM 9 and the Pending Marker

> I was noodling around on the web yesterday and came across various posts 
> (with various dates) of an article by Dr. Ugur Akinci on FM's "Pending" 
> Marker option, eg,:
>
> http://www.technicalcommunicationcenter.com/2009/02/22/technical-writing-how-to-use-the-pending-marker-in-framemaker/
>
> The problem is, "Pending" doesn't seem to be one of the Markers available in 
> FM9. I could always create my own "Pending" Marker but I wondered if I was 
> simply missing something. Does anyone know if this Marker has been removed in 
> the latest versions of Frame?

No idea, and I don't have FM9 at my present location to check (it's
home). But, even if you need to create it, it doesn't interrupt the
process outlined in the article. Nice find!

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FM 9 and the Pending Marker - FINAL

2010-07-21 Thread Alison Craig

Based on the article, there should be a built-in Pending Marker.

It has been made clear to me by lots of people that the article misspeaks - it 
should have started with "Create a Pending Marker". It didn't, therefore it 
looks like the functionality has been removed.

This is why I ask questions of the list. Someone will *always* know more than I 
do (especially as I only have about a year of Frame experience!) and correct my 
errors and/or answer my questions.

Alison

From: Fred Ridder [mailto:docu...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:36 PM
To: Alison Craig
Subject: RE: FM 9 and the Pending Marker

What functionality is it that you think disappeared?

> From: Alison.Craig at ultrasonix.com
> To: lief at networkinstruments.com
> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 12:59:38 -0700
> Subject: RE: FM 9 and the Pending Marker
> CC: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>
> I was thinking along the same lines - creating a list that I could jump to 
> sounds very handy.
>
> It just seemed to me rather odd that functionality disappeared from the 
> program.
>
> I always hate it when companies do that.
>
> Alison
>
> Alison Craig, Technical Writer
> Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
> Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127
> Fax: (604) 279-8559
> E-mail: alison.craig at ultrasonix.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Lief Erickson [mailto:lief at networkinstruments.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 11:47 AM
> To: Alison Craig
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: RE: FM 9 and the Pending Marker
>
> I imagine it's a marker you create on your own. I've never seen a "Pending" 
> marker in the 12 years I've used FrameMaker. I'm currently using v9. So, like 
> Bill said, you'd have to create your own (and import/add it to all of your 
> files).
>
> Instead of using markers, I have used conditional text to accomplish what the 
> author has suggested. I created "Draft" tag. That allowed me to show/hide 
> text until it had been approved. Of course, there's no reason both methods 
> couldn't be used together. I like the idea of being able to create a List of 
> Markers and jump to it and like the idea of being able to hide unapproved 
> draft text. The List of Markers certainly makes it easier to jump to a spot 
> than searching for a conditional text tag.
>
> -Lief
>
> -Original Message-
> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at 
> lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bill Swallow
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:33 PM
> To: Alison Craig
> Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Subject: Re: FM 9 and the Pending Marker
>
> > I was noodling around on the web yesterday and came across various posts 
> > (with various dates) of an article by Dr. Ugur Akinci on FM's "Pending" 
> > Marker option, eg,:
> >
> > http://www.technicalcommunicationcenter.com/2009/02/22/technical-writing-how-to-use-the-pending-marker-in-framemaker/
> >
> > The problem is, "Pending" doesn't seem to be one of the Markers available 
> > in FM9. I could always create my own "Pending" Marker but I wondered if I 
> > was simply missing something. Does anyone know if this Marker has been 
> > removed in the latest versions of Frame?
>
> No idea, and I don't have FM9 at my present location to check (it's
> home). But, even if you need to create it, it doesn't interrupt the
> process outlined in the article. Nice find!
>
> --
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Re: FM 9 and the Pending Marker

2010-07-21 Thread Bill Swallow

Ad Lief mentioned, I don't think it was ever there.

On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 3:59 PM, Alison Craig
 wrote:
> I was thinking along the same lines - creating a list that I could jump to 
> sounds very handy.
>
> It just seemed to me rather odd that functionality disappeared from the 
> program.
>
> I always hate it when companies do that.

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RE: FM 9 and the Pending Marker

2010-07-21 Thread Rick Quatro

Hi Alison,

I am not sure I follow you; what functionality disappeared from FrameMaker?
There has never been a built-in "Pending" marker type in FrameMaker. The
article you referred to probably assumed that the readers knew that you can
easily create custom marker types with FrameMaker. The article used
"Pending" but you could also use the same technique with one of the built-in
marker types, or a custom marker type with a different name.

Rick

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Subject: RE: FM 9 and the Pending Marker

I was thinking along the same lines - creating a list that I could jump to
sounds very handy.

It just seemed to me rather odd that functionality disappeared from the
program.

I always hate it when companies do that.

Alison

Alison Craig, Technical Writer
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127
Fax: (604) 279-8559
E-mail: alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com


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RE: FM 9 and the Pending Marker

2010-07-21 Thread Alison Craig

I was thinking along the same lines - creating a list that I could jump to 
sounds very handy.

It just seemed to me rather odd that functionality disappeared from the program.

I always hate it when companies do that.

Alison

Alison Craig, Technical Writer
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127
Fax: (604) 279-8559
E-mail: alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com
 
 
-Original Message-
From: Lief Erickson [mailto:l...@networkinstruments.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 11:47 AM
To: Alison Craig
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FM 9 and the Pending Marker

I imagine it's a marker you create on your own. I've never seen a "Pending" 
marker in the 12 years I've used FrameMaker. I'm currently using v9. So, like 
Bill said, you'd have to create your own (and import/add it to all of your 
files).

Instead of using markers, I have used conditional text to accomplish what the 
author has suggested. I created "Draft" tag. That allowed me to show/hide text 
until it had been approved. Of course, there's no reason both methods couldn't 
be used together. I like the idea of being able to create a List of Markers and 
jump to it and  like the idea of being able to hide unapproved draft text. The 
List of Markers certainly makes it easier to jump to a spot than searching for 
a conditional text tag.

-Lief

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bill Swallow
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:33 PM
To: Alison Craig
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FM 9 and the Pending Marker

> I was noodling around on the web yesterday and came across various posts 
> (with various dates) of an article by Dr. Ugur Akinci on FM's "Pending" 
> Marker option, eg,:
>
> http://www.technicalcommunicationcenter.com/2009/02/22/technical-writing-how-to-use-the-pending-marker-in-framemaker/
>
> The problem is, "Pending" doesn't seem to be one of the Markers available in 
> FM9. I could always create my own "Pending" Marker but I wondered if I was 
> simply missing something. Does anyone know if this Marker has been removed in 
> the latest versions of Frame?

No idea, and I don't have FM9 at my present location to check (it's
home). But, even if you need to create it, it doesn't interrupt the
process outlined in the article. Nice find!

-- 
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FM 9 and the Pending Marker

2010-07-21 Thread Alison Craig

I was thinking along the same lines - creating a list that I could jump to 
sounds very handy.

It just seemed to me rather odd that functionality disappeared from the program.

I always hate it when companies do that.

Alison

Alison Craig, Technical Writer
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127
Fax: (604) 279-8559
E-mail: alison.craig at ultrasonix.com


-Original Message-
From: Lief Erickson [mailto:l...@networkinstruments.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 11:47 AM
To: Alison Craig
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: FM 9 and the Pending Marker

I imagine it's a marker you create on your own. I've never seen a "Pending" 
marker in the 12 years I've used FrameMaker. I'm currently using v9. So, like 
Bill said, you'd have to create your own (and import/add it to all of your 
files).

Instead of using markers, I have used conditional text to accomplish what the 
author has suggested. I created "Draft" tag. That allowed me to show/hide text 
until it had been approved. Of course, there's no reason both methods couldn't 
be used together. I like the idea of being able to create a List of Markers and 
jump to it and  like the idea of being able to hide unapproved draft text. The 
List of Markers certainly makes it easier to jump to a spot than searching for 
a conditional text tag.

-Lief

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bill Swallow
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:33 PM
To: Alison Craig
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FM 9 and the Pending Marker

> I was noodling around on the web yesterday and came across various posts 
> (with various dates) of an article by Dr. Ugur Akinci on FM's "Pending" 
> Marker option, eg,:
>
> http://www.technicalcommunicationcenter.com/2009/02/22/technical-writing-how-to-use-the-pending-marker-in-framemaker/
>
> The problem is, "Pending" doesn't seem to be one of the Markers available in 
> FM9. I could always create my own "Pending" Marker but I wondered if I was 
> simply missing something. Does anyone know if this Marker has been removed in 
> the latest versions of Frame?

No idea, and I don't have FM9 at my present location to check (it's
home). But, even if you need to create it, it doesn't interrupt the
process outlined in the article. Nice find!

-- 
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Re: FM 9 and the Pending Marker

2010-07-21 Thread Bill Swallow

Absolutely! I'd always used a Draft condition as well. The marker
gives you the ability to easily report on areas yet complete, and
makes life so much easier for your editor (if you're fortunate to have
one, or peer editors) to find and approve pending content amidst a sea
of existing finalized info.

On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Lief Erickson
 wrote:
> I imagine it's a marker you create on your own. I've never seen a "Pending" 
> marker in the 12 years I've used FrameMaker. I'm currently using v9. So, like 
> Bill said, you'd have to create your own (and import/add it to all of your 
> files).
>
> Instead of using markers, I have used conditional text to accomplish what the 
> author has suggested. I created "Draft" tag. That allowed me to show/hide 
> text until it had been approved. Of course, there's no reason both methods 
> couldn't be used together. I like the idea of being able to create a List of 
> Markers and jump to it and  like the idea of being able to hide unapproved 
> draft text. The List of Markers certainly makes it easier to jump to a spot 
> than searching for a conditional text tag.

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RE: FM 9 and the Pending Marker

2010-07-21 Thread Lief Erickson

I imagine it's a marker you create on your own. I've never seen a "Pending" 
marker in the 12 years I've used FrameMaker. I'm currently using v9. So, like 
Bill said, you'd have to create your own (and import/add it to all of your 
files).

Instead of using markers, I have used conditional text to accomplish what the 
author has suggested. I created "Draft" tag. That allowed me to show/hide text 
until it had been approved. Of course, there's no reason both methods couldn't 
be used together. I like the idea of being able to create a List of Markers and 
jump to it and  like the idea of being able to hide unapproved draft text. The 
List of Markers certainly makes it easier to jump to a spot than searching for 
a conditional text tag.

-Lief

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Bill Swallow
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:33 PM
To: Alison Craig
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: FM 9 and the Pending Marker

> I was noodling around on the web yesterday and came across various posts 
> (with various dates) of an article by Dr. Ugur Akinci on FM's "Pending" 
> Marker option, eg,:
>
> http://www.technicalcommunicationcenter.com/2009/02/22/technical-writing-how-to-use-the-pending-marker-in-framemaker/
>
> The problem is, "Pending" doesn't seem to be one of the Markers available in 
> FM9. I could always create my own "Pending" Marker but I wondered if I was 
> simply missing something. Does anyone know if this Marker has been removed in 
> the latest versions of Frame?

No idea, and I don't have FM9 at my present location to check (it's
home). But, even if you need to create it, it doesn't interrupt the
process outlined in the article. Nice find!

-- 
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RE: FM 9 and the Pending Marker

2010-07-21 Thread Fred Ridder


As of FrameMaker 8, there are 12 standard marker types:

-Author

-Comment

-Conditional Text

-Cross-ref

-Equation

-Glossary

-Header/Footer $1

-Header/Footer $2

-HTML Macro

-Hypertext

-Index

-Subject

 

But at the bottom of the list is a choice called "Edit...", which allows you to 
define any other types you want to use for any other purpose. There is nothing 
"magic" about user-defined marker; the type is just an arbitrary attribute that 
you can use for finding/filtering/listing the markers. 

 

-Fred Ridder
 
> From: alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 10:54:57 -0700
> Subject: FM 9 and the Pending Marker
> 
> I was noodling around on the web yesterday and came across various posts 
> (with various dates) of an article by Dr. Ugur Akinci on FM's "Pending" 
> Marker option, eg,:
> 
> http://www.technicalcommunicationcenter.com/2009/02/22/technical-writing-how-to-use-the-pending-marker-in-framemaker/
> 
> The problem is, "Pending" doesn't seem to be one of the Markers available in 
> FM9. I could always create my own "Pending" Marker but I wondered if I was 
> simply missing something. Does anyone know if this Marker has been removed in 
> the latest versions of Frame?
> 
> Alison
> 
> PS: Strangely enough, neither the FM9 PDF manual nor the Scriptorium 
> Unstructured FM8 PDF manual seem to have a complete list of the Markers 
> available in the product. They talk about specific ones when appropriate to a 
> specific topic, but they don't include a definitive list (unless it's hiding 
> under a title that doesn't contain the words "Marker Type").
> 
> 
> Alison Craig, Technical Writer
> Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
> Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127
> E-mail: alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com
> 
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Re: FM 9 and the Pending Marker

2010-07-21 Thread Bill Swallow

> I was noodling around on the web yesterday and came across various posts 
> (with various dates) of an article by Dr. Ugur Akinci on FM's "Pending" 
> Marker option, eg,:
>
> http://www.technicalcommunicationcenter.com/2009/02/22/technical-writing-how-to-use-the-pending-marker-in-framemaker/
>
> The problem is, "Pending" doesn't seem to be one of the Markers available in 
> FM9. I could always create my own "Pending" Marker but I wondered if I was 
> simply missing something. Does anyone know if this Marker has been removed in 
> the latest versions of Frame?

No idea, and I don't have FM9 at my present location to check (it's
home). But, even if you need to create it, it doesn't interrupt the
process outlined in the article. Nice find!

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Consolidated index - more

2010-07-21 Thread acti...@aol.com


Hmmm, I had no idea that one could put a book file within a book file. How  
about creating a separate book (done with save as) for your book file that 
you  want to put within the other book, and then delete the generated files?

Nancy

In a message dated 7/20/2010 8:57:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
cynthia.milton at serco.com writes:

Classification: SERCO-PUBLIC

OK, so, I played around a bit  more. I hope the following makes sense to
you.

To recap: the book  file from which I'm generating the index contains
around 200 files and a  book file, thus:

IOM (Index of Markers)
Files . .  .
Book

This book file contains ordinary fm files and generated TOC,  LOT, LOF
and IX files,  thus:

Title
Preface
TOC
LOF
LOT
Files . . .  
IX

Now, I noticed that the TOC/LOF/LOT wodge consisted of 14 pages.  So I
inserted a spurious index marker in the Preface (i.e. before  the
generated wodge), and regenerated the consolidated book. Bingo,  the
spurious index entry had the correct page number, and markers on  pages
after the generated wodge produced numbers 14 adrift from reality,  as
before.

The 21-page discrepancy between the reported number of  pages of the
subsidiary book in the consolidated file and the subsidiary  book file is
accounted for by all the generated files, i.e. the front-wodge  and the
IX file. And when I generate a PDF, the generated files in  the
subsidiary book are ignored.

I can only assume that when one  generates a book containing a book (so
to speak), Frame ignores the  generated files in the contained book, for
some reason. 

My  quick-and-dirty will be to temporarily insert a 14-page file in  the
subsidiary book to pad it out. Anyone have any further  thoughts?

Cynthia Milton - 0773 889 5991
Technical Documentation  (Cyclamen - Rollestone)

RE: type vs enter

2010-07-21 Thread John Burgdorf

At another company I worked for, we used both, though in clearly
distinguished contexts: 
- TYPE a literal string ("Type XYZ" (and not ABC) 
- ENTER a user defined sting ("Enter your name").

--jb

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alison Craig
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 3:19 PM
To: Combs, Richard; Owen, Clint; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: type vs enter

I just did a quick Internet search on Simplified Technical English and found
this example at
http://www.simplifiedenglish.net/controlled-language-global-english (at the
bottom of the web page under Industry Examples, select Software).

Step 2 (below) specifically says "...enter the IP address of the system..."
which sounds to me like they want you to type it in. Step 3 is more of the
same.

So "enter" seems to be the term of choice.

Alison

Use VXX Web to get access to the system:

1. On a computer, open a web browser.
2. In the address bar of the web browser, enter the IP address of the
system,
   for example, http://10.11.12.13, to go to VXX Web. If Security Mode is 
   enabled on the system, you must use "secure HTTPS access", for example, 
   https://10.11.12.13. Click Yes in the security dialog boxes that show.
3. Enter admin as the user name, and enter the remote access password, if 
   one is set.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Combs, Richard
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 3:06 PM
To: Owen, Clint; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: type vs enter

Owen, Clint wrote: 

> In Simplified Technical English, which has a strictly limited 
> vocabulary and is supposed to make documents easier to understand for 
> international readers, neither of these terms is allowed in this 
> context. I spent a few minutes and can't think of a "STE legal" way to 
> write the requested instructions.

Um, really? Using STE, there's no way to tell the reader to type something
into a field or box? The need to do that comes up a lot, you know. :-) 

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Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
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type vs enter

2010-07-21 Thread John Burgdorf

At another company I worked for, we used both, though in clearly
distinguished contexts: 
- TYPE a literal string ("Type XYZ" (and not ABC) 
- ENTER a user defined sting ("Enter your name").

--jb

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alison Craig
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 3:19 PM
To: Combs, Richard; Owen, Clint; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: type vs enter

I just did a quick Internet search on Simplified Technical English and found
this example at
http://www.simplifiedenglish.net/controlled-language-global-english (at the
bottom of the web page under Industry Examples, select Software).

Step 2 (below) specifically says "...enter the IP address of the system..."
which sounds to me like they want you to type it in. Step 3 is more of the
same.

So "enter" seems to be the term of choice.

Alison

Use VXX Web to get access to the system:

1. On a computer, open a web browser.
2. In the address bar of the web browser, enter the IP address of the
system,
   for example, http://10.11.12.13, to go to VXX Web. If Security Mode is 
   enabled on the system, you must use "secure HTTPS access", for example, 
   https://10.11.12.13. Click Yes in the security dialog boxes that show.
3. Enter admin as the user name, and enter the remote access password, if 
   one is set.

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Combs, Richard
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 3:06 PM
To: Owen, Clint; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: type vs enter

Owen, Clint wrote: 

> In Simplified Technical English, which has a strictly limited 
> vocabulary and is supposed to make documents easier to understand for 
> international readers, neither of these terms is allowed in this 
> context. I spent a few minutes and can't think of a "STE legal" way to 
> write the requested instructions.

Um, really? Using STE, there's no way to tell the reader to type something
into a field or box? The need to do that comes up a lot, you know. :-) 

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
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FM 9 and the Pending Marker

2010-07-21 Thread Alison Craig

I was noodling around on the web yesterday and came across various posts (with 
various dates) of an article by Dr. Ugur Akinci on FM's "Pending" Marker 
option, eg,:

http://www.technicalcommunicationcenter.com/2009/02/22/technical-writing-how-to-use-the-pending-marker-in-framemaker/

The problem is, "Pending" doesn't seem to be one of the Markers available in 
FM9. I could always create my own "Pending" Marker but I wondered if I was 
simply missing something. Does anyone know if this Marker has been removed in 
the latest versions of Frame?

Alison

PS: Strangely enough, neither the FM9 PDF manual nor the Scriptorium 
Unstructured FM8 PDF manual seem to have a complete list of the Markers 
available in the product. They talk about specific ones when appropriate to a 
specific topic, but they don't include a definitive list (unless it's hiding 
under a title that doesn't contain the words "Marker Type").


Alison Craig, Technical Writer
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127
E-mail: alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com


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FM 9 and the Pending Marker

2010-07-21 Thread Alison Craig

I was noodling around on the web yesterday and came across various posts (with 
various dates) of an article by Dr. Ugur Akinci on FM's "Pending" Marker 
option, eg,:

http://www.technicalcommunicationcenter.com/2009/02/22/technical-writing-how-to-use-the-pending-marker-in-framemaker/

The problem is, "Pending" doesn't seem to be one of the Markers available in 
FM9. I could always create my own "Pending" Marker but I wondered if I was 
simply missing something. Does anyone know if this Marker has been removed in 
the latest versions of Frame?

Alison

PS: Strangely enough, neither the FM9 PDF manual nor the Scriptorium 
Unstructured FM8 PDF manual seem to have a complete list of the Markers 
available in the product. They talk about specific ones when appropriate to a 
specific topic, but they don't include a definitive list (unless it's hiding 
under a title that doesn't contain the words "Marker Type").


Alison Craig, Technical Writer
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127
E-mail: alison.craig at ultrasonix.com

RE: Circular text flow?

2010-07-21 Thread Writer

I know. You learn something new everyday...two things, if you're not careful. =D

Nadine

--- On Wed, 7/21/10, Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) 
 wrote:

> From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) 
> Subject: RE: Circular text flow?
> To: "generic...@yahoo.ca" , 
> "framers@lists.frameusers.com" 
> Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 12:21 PM
> Interesting! I did not know that
> usage of the term ... 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Z
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Writer [mailto:generic...@yahoo.ca]
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 7:48 AM
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com;
> Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
> Subject: RE: Circular text flow?
> 
> Hey, Z, someone explained to me offline that imposition is
> actually a term that has a history in the printing industry.
> Here's a Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imposition
> 
> You didn't miss anything. I was just confused about why I
> couldn't do it in FM the same way that I could do it in Word
> or InDesign. It didn't occur to me that I could do it with a
> printer driver, so it's good to be pointed in the right
> direction.
> 
> Thanks to all who have set me on the right track.
> 
> Nadine
> 
> > So ... am I missing something in this discussion?
> > 
> > Z
> > 
> > BTW, why is this all called "imposition"? I have to
> admit
> > that I have not heard that term used in this context
> > before!
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Circular text flow?

2010-07-21 Thread Writer

I know. You learn something new everyday...two things, if you're not careful. =D

Nadine

--- On Wed, 7/21/10, Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net)  wrote:

> From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net) 
> Subject: RE: Circular text flow?
> To: "generic668 at yahoo.ca" , "framers at 
> lists.frameusers.com" 
> Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 12:21 PM
> Interesting! I did not know that
> usage of the term ... 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Z
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Writer [mailto:generic668 at yahoo.ca]
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 7:48 AM
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com;
> Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at aeris.net)
> Subject: RE: Circular text flow?
> 
> Hey, Z, someone explained to me offline that imposition is
> actually a term that has a history in the printing industry.
> Here's a Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imposition
> 
> You didn't miss anything. I was just confused about why I
> couldn't do it in FM the same way that I could do it in Word
> or InDesign. It didn't occur to me that I could do it with a
> printer driver, so it's good to be pointed in the right
> direction.
> 
> Thanks to all who have set me on the right track.
> 
> Nadine
> 
> > So ... am I missing something in this discussion?
> > 
> > Z
> > 
> > BTW, why is this all called "imposition"? I have to
> admit
> > that I have not heard that term used in this context
> > before!
> 
> 
> 
>

Frame X-REFs in Text Inset not Active in Book PDF

2010-07-21 Thread Graham, Jasmine S

Hello Framers,



Structured Frame 8.0 (TCS1), XP, importing procedures written in text insets 
into multiple books. I found today that any cross-references within the text 
insets are not getting picked up as active cross-references in the book PDF. 
Any other normal X-REFs are working fine. No X-REF errors when updating the 
book in Frame. All X-REFs are updating correctly (all numbering is correct). 
Just can't click these x-ref links in the PDF to jump to the destination being 
referenced. 



I tried looking at the PDF job options, but didn't see anything obvious. Any 
ideas?



Thanks in advance! 



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RE: Circular text flow?

2010-07-21 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)

Interesting! I did not know that usage of the term ... 

Thanks,

Z

-Original Message-
From: Writer [mailto:generic...@yahoo.ca] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 7:48 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)
Subject: RE: Circular text flow?

Hey, Z, someone explained to me offline that imposition is actually a term that 
has a history in the printing industry. Here's a Wikipedia article: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imposition

You didn't miss anything. I was just confused about why I couldn't do it in FM 
the same way that I could do it in Word or InDesign. It didn't occur to me that 
I could do it with a printer driver, so it's good to be pointed in the right 
direction.

Thanks to all who have set me on the right track.

Nadine

> So ... am I missing something in this discussion?
> 
> Z
> 
> BTW, why is this all called "imposition"? I have to admit
> that I have not heard that term used in this context
> before!

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Circular text flow?

2010-07-21 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)

Interesting! I did not know that usage of the term ... 

Thanks,

Z

-Original Message-
From: Writer [mailto:generic...@yahoo.ca] 
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 7:48 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Syed Zaeem Hosain (Syed.Hosain at 
aeris.net)
Subject: RE: Circular text flow?

Hey, Z, someone explained to me offline that imposition is actually a term that 
has a history in the printing industry. Here's a Wikipedia article: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imposition

You didn't miss anything. I was just confused about why I couldn't do it in FM 
the same way that I could do it in Word or InDesign. It didn't occur to me that 
I could do it with a printer driver, so it's good to be pointed in the right 
direction.

Thanks to all who have set me on the right track.

Nadine

> So ... am I missing something in this discussion?
> 
> Z
> 
> BTW, why is this all called "imposition"? I have to admit
> that I have not heard that term used in this context
> before!

type vs enter

2010-07-21 Thread Alan T Litchfield

Makes good sense.

If it is an instruction "Type [the required data]" makes sense and is  
reasonably unambiguous. Whereas "Enter" is used differently depending  
on context, ranging from going into an enclosed space to form filling  
and so there may be some moments of confusion as the reader decides on  
the context, and then the meaning of the statement.

Alan

On 21/07/2010, at 8:23 AM, David Spreadbury wrote:

> Clara,
> The Microsoft Manual of Style for Technical Publications, Version  
> 3.0 states:
>
> type vs. enter
> Use type, not type in or enter, if information the user types  
> appears on the screen. An exception to this rule is that you can  
> tell users to "enter" a file name, for example, in a combo box when  
> they have the choice of typing a name or selecting one from a list.  
> You can also use a combination of words such as "type or select" if  
> space is not an issue.
> Correct
> Type your password.
> Enter the file name.
> Type the path to the server or select it from the list.
>
> Incorrect
> Type in your password.
> Enter your password.
>
> --- On Tue, 7/20/10, Clara Hall  wrote:
>
>
> From: Clara Hall 
> Subject: type vs enter
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 2:20 PM
>
>
> Hello all,
>
> I need/would like to give the argument that it is better to say  
> "Enter the
> information in the text field"
> vs. "type the information in the text field".  this is for an online
> training course.
>
> As far as I am concerned, type is archaic and no longer used when  
> talking
> about online interactive lessons.  Having said that, what do you  
> think?  and
> is there a valid stance I can take to make my point, or is this all  
> personal
> preference.
>
>
>
> Clara Hall
>
> Technical Documentation Manager
>
> Aerospace Technologies Group, Inc.
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Flakey cross references

2010-07-21 Thread Steve Johnson

I've had it both ways but as a best practice you need to save the
document you're referring to after you place the cross-reference.

Every tag that is the target of a cross-reference gets a marker. For
reasons unknown to me, sometimes these markers become stale and have
to be deleted and reinserted. This might also cause your references to
break.

Do a search for All Markers or for Markers of Type cross-reference and
check them out. Make sure the marker matches the tag with which it's
associated.

On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 8:09 AM, Dr Rick Smith  wrote:
> Keep in mind that there are two parts to every cross reference: the text that 
> refers, and the text referred to. You need both files open to create a cross 
> reference and you must save BOTH files to preserve the cross reference.
>
> As far a I know, you can't create a cross reference to a read-only file. But 
> honestly, I've never seriously tried.
>
>
>> On Jul 20, 2010, at 1:00 PM, framers-request at lists.frameusers.com wrote:
>>
>>> From: "Layton, Debbie" 
>>> To: 
>>> Subject: Flakey cross references
>>> Message-ID:
>>> ? ? ?<78EF4E337F3131469C3BB1F11A42D8970D83B1CF at USA7061MS04.na.xerox.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; ? ?charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> I'm using FrameMaker 7.0 on XP Professional. I've got a book with about
>>> 11 chapters in it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I continue to get unresolved cross reference messages. I have gone in
>>> and re-done all of them, since the original files were copied from
>>> another manual, but when I open the documents again, I get the messages
>>> again. None of the files have been moved. I have been printing .ps files
>>> in order to create PDFs of the book. (Somehow that seems to have
>>> something to do with the problem.) The links in the PDF files are fine,
>>> and the page numbers are correct.
>>>
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Re: Consolidated index - more

2010-07-21 Thread ActionA

 
Hmmm, I had no idea that one could put a book file within a book file. How  
about creating a separate book (done with save as) for your book file that 
you  want to put within the other book, and then delete the generated files?
 
Nancy
 
In a message dated 7/20/2010 8:57:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
cynthia.mil...@serco.com writes:

Classification: SERCO-PUBLIC

OK, so, I played around a bit  more. I hope the following makes sense to
you.

To recap: the book  file from which I'm generating the index contains
around 200 files and a  book file, thus:

IOM (Index of Markers)
Files . .  .
Book

This book file contains ordinary fm files and generated TOC,  LOT, LOF
and IX files,  thus:

Title
Preface
TOC
LOF
LOT
Files . . .  
IX

Now, I noticed that the TOC/LOF/LOT wodge consisted of 14 pages.  So I
inserted a spurious index marker in the Preface (i.e. before  the
generated wodge), and regenerated the consolidated book. Bingo,  the
spurious index entry had the correct page number, and markers on  pages
after the generated wodge produced numbers 14 adrift from reality,  as
before.

The 21-page discrepancy between the reported number of  pages of the
subsidiary book in the consolidated file and the subsidiary  book file is
accounted for by all the generated files, i.e. the front-wodge  and the
IX file. And when I generate a PDF, the generated files in  the
subsidiary book are ignored.

I can only assume that when one  generates a book containing a book (so
to speak), Frame ignores the  generated files in the contained book, for
some reason. 

My  quick-and-dirty will be to temporarily insert a 14-page file in  the
subsidiary book to pad it out. Anyone have any further  thoughts?

Cynthia Milton - 0773 889 5991
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Flakey cross references

2010-07-21 Thread Dr Rick Smith

Keep in mind that there are two parts to every cross reference: the text that 
refers, and the text referred to. You need both files open to create a cross 
reference and you must save BOTH files to preserve the cross reference. 

As far a I know, you can't create a cross reference to a read-only file. But 
honestly, I've never seriously tried.


> On Jul 20, 2010, at 1:00 PM, framers-request at lists.frameusers.com wrote:
> 
>> From: "Layton, Debbie" 
>> To: 
>> Subject: Flakey cross references
>> Message-ID:
>>  <78EF4E337F3131469C3BB1F11A42D8970D83B1CF at USA7061MS04.na.xerox.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii"
>> 
>> I'm using FrameMaker 7.0 on XP Professional. I've got a book with about
>> 11 chapters in it.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I continue to get unresolved cross reference messages. I have gone in
>> and re-done all of them, since the original files were copied from
>> another manual, but when I open the documents again, I get the messages
>> again. None of the files have been moved. I have been printing .ps files
>> in order to create PDFs of the book. (Somehow that seems to have
>> something to do with the problem.) The links in the PDF files are fine,
>> and the page numbers are correct. 
>>

RE: Circular text flow?

2010-07-21 Thread Writer

Hey, Z, someone explained to me offline that imposition is actually a term that 
has a history in the printing industry. Here's a Wikipedia article: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imposition

You didn't miss anything. I was just confused about why I couldn't do it in FM 
the same way that I could do it in Word or InDesign. It didn't occur to me that 
I could do it with a printer driver, so it's good to be pointed in the right 
direction.

Thanks to all who have set me on the right track.

Nadine

> So ... am I missing something in this discussion?
> 
> Z
> 
> BTW, why is this all called "imposition"? I have to admit
> that I have not heard that term used in this context
> before!

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Circular text flow?

2010-07-21 Thread Writer

Hey, Z, someone explained to me offline that imposition is actually a term that 
has a history in the printing industry. Here's a Wikipedia article: 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imposition

You didn't miss anything. I was just confused about why I couldn't do it in FM 
the same way that I could do it in Word or InDesign. It didn't occur to me that 
I could do it with a printer driver, so it's good to be pointed in the right 
direction.

Thanks to all who have set me on the right track.

Nadine

> So ... am I missing something in this discussion?
> 
> Z
> 
> BTW, why is this all called "imposition"? I have to admit
> that I have not heard that term used in this context
> before!

RE: Circular text flow?

2010-07-21 Thread Writer

Thanks, Richard. I'll give that a try.

Nadine

> It's not hard to do if you start from scratch. I suspect
> you got a "circular flow" warning message because when you
> began creating your layout, text frames 4 and 1 were already
> connected. 
> 
> That said, if you have Acrobat (or a physical printer with
> a booklet option), which will do the imposition for you,
> don't do it in FM. In FM, define the pages to be the
> finished page size (5.5 x 8.5, if your booklet will be
> created from folded US letter pages). That way, you're not
> dealing with that weird text flow jump from the second page
> back to the first, and if you end up having to expand to 6
> or 8 pages instead of 4, you're not tearing your hair out.
> :-)
> 
> 
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Circular text flow?

2010-07-21 Thread Writer

Thanks, Richard. I'll give that a try.

Nadine

> It's not hard to do if you start from scratch. I suspect
> you got a "circular flow" warning message because when you
> began creating your layout, text frames 4 and 1 were already
> connected. 
> 
> That said, if you have Acrobat (or a physical printer with
> a booklet option), which will do the imposition for you,
> don't do it in FM. In FM, define the pages to be the
> finished page size (5.5 x 8.5, if your booklet will be
> created from folded US letter pages). That way, you're not
> dealing with that weird text flow jump from the second page
> back to the first, and if you end up having to expand to 6
> or 8 pages instead of 4, you're not tearing your hair out.
> :-)
> 
> 
> Richard G. Combs
> Senior Technical Writer
> Polycom, Inc.
> richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
> 303-223-5111
> --
> rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
> 303-903-6372
> --
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> 
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> 
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Mystery shortcut: help required

2010-07-21 Thread Steve Rickaby

I've just (accidentally) typed command-option-5 in the book window of Mac 
FrameMaker (version 7). FrameMaker opened every book file, did something and 
then closed them again. I can't find this keystroke listed in the shortcuts.

What did I do?
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RE: Circular text flow?

2010-07-21 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)

Hi, all.

I am not sure I understand the reason for the hoopla yet - at least with regard 
to N-up booklet output. :)

I have done these kind of booklets in FrameMaker (or Word for that matter) 
without difficulty ... just by setting the page size correctly so that the 
pages do not have to "shrink to fit" when printed in this way.

It is my printer driver that does the printing in the correct sequence so that 
I can fold and saddle-stitch. For example, I do this with my old and ancient HP 
ink jet printer at my desk for proofing.

When I need automation or many booklets, our color Xerox printer even folds and 
saddle-stitch staples automatically (quite nice!).

Of course, folding is not useful for more than about 12 to 16 pages (i.e., 3 to 
4 sheets of paper) because the paper edges start poking out a bit "on the 
right" with anything more than 20-lb paper.

So ... am I missing something in this discussion?

Z

BTW, why is this all called "imposition"? I have to admit that I have not heard 
that term used in this context before!

-Original Message-
From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Writer
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 6:36 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Circular text flow?

Someone suggested I look at the recent "imposition" thread.

I'm surprised that this format is this hard in FM since it's a DTP tool (I can 
do it easily in Word, I'm loathe to admit). No wonder it's called an imposition.

http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/2010-July/020732.html

Nadine

--- On Wed, 7/21/10, Writer  wrote:

> From: Writer 
> Subject: Circular text flow?
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 9:00 AM
> Can I do this in FrameMaker 9.
> 
> I want to create a pamphlet/booklet that has a front and a
> back. In FM, it would be two pages, landscape with a text
> flow that looks like this:
> 
> 4 | 1
> -
> 2 | 3
> 
> Where 1 is where the text flow starts, and 2 > 3 > 4
> is the direction it continues. This document is printed
> double-sided, and then folded in half along the middle to
> create a booklet.
> 
> However, when I try to connect the text frames in that
> order, I get an error message that says:
> 
> "This connection is not possible. You may be trying to
> connect two text frames that would result in a circular test
> flow, or you may be trying to connect to a PostScript Code
> text flow."
> 
> I don't have a lot of experience messing around with text
> frames and text flow. Is what I want possible? Am I missing
> a step? Do I need to rename the Flow Tag in the Object
> properties dialog box?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Nadine
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Circular text flow?

2010-07-21 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net)

Hi, all.

I am not sure I understand the reason for the hoopla yet - at least with regard 
to N-up booklet output. :)

I have done these kind of booklets in FrameMaker (or Word for that matter) 
without difficulty ... just by setting the page size correctly so that the 
pages do not have to "shrink to fit" when printed in this way.

It is my printer driver that does the printing in the correct sequence so that 
I can fold and saddle-stitch. For example, I do this with my old and ancient HP 
ink jet printer at my desk for proofing.

When I need automation or many booklets, our color Xerox printer even folds and 
saddle-stitch staples automatically (quite nice!).

Of course, folding is not useful for more than about 12 to 16 pages (i.e., 3 to 
4 sheets of paper) because the paper edges start poking out a bit "on the 
right" with anything more than 20-lb paper.

So ... am I missing something in this discussion?

Z

BTW, why is this all called "imposition"? I have to admit that I have not heard 
that term used in this context before!

-Original Message-
From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Writer
Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 6:36 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Circular text flow?

Someone suggested I look at the recent "imposition" thread.

I'm surprised that this format is this hard in FM since it's a DTP tool (I can 
do it easily in Word, I'm loathe to admit). No wonder it's called an imposition.

http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/2010-July/020732.html

Nadine

--- On Wed, 7/21/10, Writer  wrote:

> From: Writer 
> Subject: Circular text flow?
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 9:00 AM
> Can I do this in FrameMaker 9.
> 
> I want to create a pamphlet/booklet that has a front and a
> back. In FM, it would be two pages, landscape with a text
> flow that looks like this:
> 
> 4 | 1
> -
> 2 | 3
> 
> Where 1 is where the text flow starts, and 2 > 3 > 4
> is the direction it continues. This document is printed
> double-sided, and then folded in half along the middle to
> create a booklet.
> 
> However, when I try to connect the text frames in that
> order, I get an error message that says:
> 
> "This connection is not possible. You may be trying to
> connect two text frames that would result in a circular test
> flow, or you may be trying to connect to a PostScript Code
> text flow."
> 
> I don't have a lot of experience messing around with text
> frames and text flow. Is what I want possible? Am I missing
> a step? Do I need to rename the Flow Tag in the Object
> properties dialog box?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Nadine
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RE: Circular text flow?

2010-07-21 Thread Combs, Richard

Writer wrote: 

> Someone suggested I look at the recent "imposition" thread.
> 
> I'm surprised that this format is this hard in FM since it's a DTP tool (I
> can do it easily in Word, I'm loathe to admit). No wonder it's called an
> imposition.
> 
> http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/2010-July/020732.html
> 
> Nadine
> 
> --- On Wed, 7/21/10, Writer  wrote:
> 
> > From: Writer 
> > Subject: Circular text flow?
> > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> > Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 9:00 AM
> > Can I do this in FrameMaker 9.
> >
> > I want to create a pamphlet/booklet that has a front and a
> > back. In FM, it would be two pages, landscape with a text
> > flow that looks like this:
> >
> > 4 | 1
> > -
> > 2 | 3

It's not hard to do if you start from scratch. I suspect you got a "circular 
flow" warning message because when you began creating your layout, text frames 
4 and 1 were already connected. 

That said, if you have Acrobat (or a physical printer with a booklet option), 
which will do the imposition for you, don't do it in FM. In FM, define the 
pages to be the finished page size (5.5 x 8.5, if your booklet will be created 
from folded US letter pages). That way, you're not dealing with that weird text 
flow jump from the second page back to the first, and if you end up having to 
expand to 6 or 8 pages instead of 4, you're not tearing your hair out. :-)

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
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2010-07-21 Thread Combs, Richard

Writer wrote: 

> Someone suggested I look at the recent "imposition" thread.
> 
> I'm surprised that this format is this hard in FM since it's a DTP tool (I
> can do it easily in Word, I'm loathe to admit). No wonder it's called an
> imposition.
> 
> http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/2010-July/020732.html
> 
> Nadine
> 
> --- On Wed, 7/21/10, Writer  wrote:
> 
> > From: Writer 
> > Subject: Circular text flow?
> > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> > Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 9:00 AM
> > Can I do this in FrameMaker 9.
> >
> > I want to create a pamphlet/booklet that has a front and a
> > back. In FM, it would be two pages, landscape with a text
> > flow that looks like this:
> >
> > 4 | 1
> > -
> > 2 | 3

It's not hard to do if you start from scratch. I suspect you got a "circular 
flow" warning message because when you began creating your layout, text frames 
4 and 1 were already connected. 

That said, if you have Acrobat (or a physical printer with a booklet option), 
which will do the imposition for you, don't do it in FM. In FM, define the 
pages to be the finished page size (5.5 x 8.5, if your booklet will be created 
from folded US letter pages). That way, you're not dealing with that weird text 
flow jump from the second page back to the first, and if you end up having to 
expand to 6 or 8 pages instead of 4, you're not tearing your hair out. :-)

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
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Re: Circular text flow?

2010-07-21 Thread Writer

Someone suggested I look at the recent "imposition" thread.

I'm surprised that this format is this hard in FM since it's a DTP tool (I can 
do it easily in Word, I'm loathe to admit). No wonder it's called an imposition.

http://lists.frameusers.com/pipermail/framers/2010-July/020732.html

Nadine

--- On Wed, 7/21/10, Writer  wrote:

> From: Writer 
> Subject: Circular text flow?
> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
> Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 9:00 AM
> Can I do this in FrameMaker 9.
> 
> I want to create a pamphlet/booklet that has a front and a
> back. In FM, it would be two pages, landscape with a text
> flow that looks like this:
> 
> 4 | 1
> -
> 2 | 3
> 
> Where 1 is where the text flow starts, and 2 > 3 > 4
> is the direction it continues. This document is printed
> double-sided, and then folded in half along the middle to
> create a booklet.
> 
> However, when I try to connect the text frames in that
> order, I get an error message that says:
> 
> "This connection is not possible. You may be trying to
> connect two text frames that would result in a circular test
> flow, or you may be trying to connect to a PostScript Code
> text flow."
> 
> I don't have a lot of experience messing around with text
> frames and text flow. Is what I want possible? Am I missing
> a step? Do I need to rename the Flow Tag in the Object
> properties dialog box?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Nadine
> 
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2010-07-21 Thread Writer

Someone suggested I look at the recent "imposition" thread.

I'm surprised that this format is this hard in FM since it's a DTP tool (I can 
do it easily in Word, I'm loathe to admit). No wonder it's called an imposition.

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Nadine

--- On Wed, 7/21/10, Writer  wrote:

> From: Writer 
> Subject: Circular text flow?
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> Date: Wednesday, July 21, 2010, 9:00 AM
> Can I do this in FrameMaker 9.
> 
> I want to create a pamphlet/booklet that has a front and a
> back. In FM, it would be two pages, landscape with a text
> flow that looks like this:
> 
> 4 | 1
> -
> 2 | 3
> 
> Where 1 is where the text flow starts, and 2 > 3 > 4
> is the direction it continues. This document is printed
> double-sided, and then folded in half along the middle to
> create a booklet.
> 
> However, when I try to connect the text frames in that
> order, I get an error message that says:
> 
> "This connection is not possible. You may be trying to
> connect two text frames that would result in a circular test
> flow, or you may be trying to connect to a PostScript Code
> text flow."
> 
> I don't have a lot of experience messing around with text
> frames and text flow. Is what I want possible? Am I missing
> a step? Do I need to rename the Flow Tag in the Object
> properties dialog box?
> 
> TIA,
> 
> Nadine
> 
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Re: Flakey cross references

2010-07-21 Thread Dr Rick Smith

Keep in mind that there are two parts to every cross reference: the text that 
refers, and the text referred to. You need both files open to create a cross 
reference and you must save BOTH files to preserve the cross reference. 

As far a I know, you can't create a cross reference to a read-only file. But 
honestly, I've never seriously tried.

> On Jul 20, 2010, at 1:00 PM, framers-requ...@lists.frameusers.com wrote:
> 
>> From: "Layton, Debbie" 
>> To: 
>> Subject: Flakey cross references
>> Message-ID:
>>  <78ef4e337f3131469c3bb1f11a42d8970d83b...@usa7061ms04.na.xerox.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset="us-ascii"
>> 
>> I'm using FrameMaker 7.0 on XP Professional. I've got a book with about
>> 11 chapters in it.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I continue to get unresolved cross reference messages. I have gone in
>> and re-done all of them, since the original files were copied from
>> another manual, but when I open the documents again, I get the messages
>> again. None of the files have been moved. I have been printing .ps files
>> in order to create PDFs of the book. (Somehow that seems to have
>> something to do with the problem.) The links in the PDF files are fine,
>> and the page numbers are correct. 
>> 

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Circular text flow?

2010-07-21 Thread Writer

Can I do this in FrameMaker 9.

I want to create a pamphlet/booklet that has a front and a back. In FM, it 
would be two pages, landscape with a text flow that looks like this:

4 | 1
-
2 | 3

Where 1 is where the text flow starts, and 2 > 3 > 4 is the direction it 
continues. This document is printed double-sided, and then folded in half along 
the middle to create a booklet.

However, when I try to connect the text frames in that order, I get an error 
message that says:

"This connection is not possible. You may be trying to connect two text frames 
that would result in a circular test flow, or you may be trying to connect to a 
PostScript Code text flow."

I don't have a lot of experience messing around with text frames and text flow. 
Is what I want possible? Am I missing a step? Do I need to rename the Flow Tag 
in the Object properties dialog box?

TIA,

Nadine

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Circular text flow?

2010-07-21 Thread Writer

Can I do this in FrameMaker 9.

I want to create a pamphlet/booklet that has a front and a back. In FM, it 
would be two pages, landscape with a text flow that looks like this:

4 | 1
-
2 | 3

Where 1 is where the text flow starts, and 2 > 3 > 4 is the direction it 
continues. This document is printed double-sided, and then folded in half along 
the middle to create a booklet.

However, when I try to connect the text frames in that order, I get an error 
message that says:

"This connection is not possible. You may be trying to connect two text frames 
that would result in a circular test flow, or you may be trying to connect to a 
PostScript Code text flow."

I don't have a lot of experience messing around with text frames and text flow. 
Is what I want possible? Am I missing a step? Do I need to rename the Flow Tag 
in the Object properties dialog box?

TIA,

Nadine

Too much right-hand padding of text inside table cells

2010-07-21 Thread Avraham Makeler

Hi Richard,

You got it all spot on! Congrats!

I now set DisplayUsingPrinterMetrics=On, and I get the real situation.

(Just one little thing:  when I restarted FM after changing the above cfg
param value, FM notified me of an internal error...but that doesn't seem to
be bothering it from continuing to function ...so far.)

Thanks!

 - avi



On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 12:55 AM, Combs, Richard
wrote:

> Avraham Makeler wrote:
>
> > I am having a problem with right-hand padding of text inside table cells.
> >
> > I am editing an API reference guide, and some of the software object
> names
> > are 5 inches long (measured in Arial 8 pt at 100% zoom on a 21" 1600x1200
> > monitor).
> >
> > The problem is that I am consistently getting an approx. 7 mm padding (at
> > the above cell width of 5 inches), which is way too much space to go to
> > waste when the column is already that wide; and I do need space for a
> > further couple of columns.
> >
> > I have set to zero the cell margins in both the Paragraph Designer and
> > Table
> > Designer, but I still have the same problem.
>
> Have you tried printing a page containing such a table? The "problem" may
> exist only on your monitor. Screen font metrics and printer font metrics
> aren't the same.
>
> There's a setting in the [Fonts] section of the maker.ini file that governs
> how characters are spaced on the screen. By default, it's set as follows:
>
>DisplayUsingPrinterMetrics=Off
>
> This setting uses screen font metrics, which produce the best screen
> display, but don't accurately reflect line lengths when printed. So you
> think there's lots of room left on a line and wonder why it wraps so soon.
> But actually the line is full when printer font metrics are applied.
>
> If you change that setting to On, the screen display will more accurately
> reflect line lengths when you print (and that means either printing hardcopy
> or creating a PDF).
>
> HTH!
>
> Richard G. Combs
> Senior Technical Writer
> Polycom, Inc.
> richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
> 303-223-5111
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