So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

2011-03-02 Thread Helen Borrie 
At 08:15 AM 2/03/2011, Alan Litchfield wrote:
>Yeah, I'm in that boat, and pricing in this part of the world is such that we 
>get to pay significantly more than those stateside.

Worse, that upgrade thing is a cheat.  I was contentedly using FM6 which, when 
bought, had an upgrade path of two versions.  That meant I could upgrade to FM 
7 or FM8 when I was ready.  Yeah, right. 

The *same week" Adobe released FM 9 they pulled all the upgrade packs for FM8 - 
just at the very moment I decided I wanted FM8 for the structured support.  
Every single outlet in Australia (and I rang them all!) told me the same story 
- FM8 upgrade packs are all packaged up ready to go back to Adobe, not allowed 
to sell them.

Finally got hold of Adobe sales/support in Australia (not easy!), to be told 
that, no, my only option now was to buy full FM9 and then apply for a downgrade 
to FM8.  This apparently comes as a link to an ISO in a secret corner of 
Adobe's ftp facilities: they don't supply a disk in return for all that money!

Well, I did not (and still don't) want FM9 and was in no way willing or able to 
beggar myself to get the FM8 upgrade I am entitled to.  Luckily, with a lot of 
perseverance, in March 2009, I was able to pick up a remaindered retail copy of 
full FM8 from **somewhere** (at remaindered software price, natch!) so was able 
to avoid the full Sting. IMO, Adobe's "moving goalpost" attitude to policy 
stinks at least 200% more than the sins that Microsoft is accused of!

So, no, I never did FM 7.  I guess I'm "stuck with FM 8" now, but I'm 
comfortable with that. I think the Mac users have been roundly ripped off, too.

Bah! 

Helen

RE: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

2011-03-02 Thread Combs, Richard 
Everette, Dimi wrote:
 
> Perhaps I'm in the minority, but I'm excited about getting FM 10 here
> at work. I've been using FM9 for a couple of years, and it was a huge
> improvement over 7.2 to me. I've used only unstructured and I'm just
> doing run-of-the-mill technical publications, but I love FrameMaker--
> always have and always will (probably!).
> 
> FM 7.2 was good enough for a long time, but I discovered that it didn't
> play well with some of the older books I work on, especially the large
> ones. Then came FM 9 and the nifty redesign--yeah, some of it's a PITA
> but you get used to it. After attending the Adobe webinar about TCS3
> and one about FM 10, I am ready to go to the next level.

I was eager to switch to FM9/TCS2 when we got it, but after weeks of trying, I 
still couldn't achieve an FM > RH > online help workflow that didn't require 
lots of manual work in RH. Numbered lists in particular were an insurmountable 
issue for me. I mean, really -- hanging indents kludged with non-breaking 
spaces? What is this, 1989?

So, since OLH is my major deliverable right now, I'm sticking with the FM7.2 > 
ePub workflow that was kind of handed to me a few years ago -- it just works. 

I gather that some of my issues with FM > RH integration may have been resolved 
in TCS3, so I wouldn't mind giving that a try. 

But I'd want Shlomo Perets' ToolbarPlus Express 
(www.microtype.com/resources.html) and Klaus Daube's Enhanced Toolbar ... um 
... enhancement for that (www.daube.ch/docu/fmaker55.html). The oh-so-cool, 
Bauhaus-like monotone gray interface introduced in FM9 leaves me cold and is 
seriously lacking in terms of usability. 

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So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

2011-03-02 Thread Combs, Richard 
Everette, Dimi wrote:

> Perhaps I'm in the minority, but I'm excited about getting FM 10 here
> at work. I've been using FM9 for a couple of years, and it was a huge
> improvement over 7.2 to me. I've used only unstructured and I'm just
> doing run-of-the-mill technical publications, but I love FrameMaker--
> always have and always will (probably!).
> 
> FM 7.2 was good enough for a long time, but I discovered that it didn't
> play well with some of the older books I work on, especially the large
> ones. Then came FM 9 and the nifty redesign--yeah, some of it's a PITA
> but you get used to it. After attending the Adobe webinar about TCS3
> and one about FM 10, I am ready to go to the next level.

I was eager to switch to FM9/TCS2 when we got it, but after weeks of trying, I 
still couldn't achieve an FM > RH > online help workflow that didn't require 
lots of manual work in RH. Numbered lists in particular were an insurmountable 
issue for me. I mean, really -- hanging indents kludged with non-breaking 
spaces? What is this, 1989?

So, since OLH is my major deliverable right now, I'm sticking with the FM7.2 > 
ePub workflow that was kind of handed to me a few years ago -- it just works. 

I gather that some of my issues with FM > RH integration may have been resolved 
in TCS3, so I wouldn't mind giving that a try. 

But I'd want Shlomo Perets' ToolbarPlus Express 
(www.microtype.com/resources.html) and Klaus Daube's Enhanced Toolbar ... um 
... enhancement for that (www.daube.ch/docu/fmaker55.html). The oh-so-cool, 
Bauhaus-like monotone gray interface introduced in FM9 leaves me cold and is 
seriously lacking in terms of usability. 

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RE: Keep Cross Reference visible?

2011-03-02 Thread Combs, Richard 
Theresa de Valence wrote:
 
> Is there a handy way to keep the cross reference window open? Or some
> shortcut keys to open it?

Oops, sent too soon. The shortcut Esc s c works in any FM version. But if this 
is FM 9 or 10, there are other options. 

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2011-03-02 Thread Combs, Richard 
Theresa de Valence wrote:

> Is there a handy way to keep the cross reference window open? Or some
> shortcut keys to open it?

Oops, sent too soon. The shortcut Esc s c works in any FM version. But if this 
is FM 9 or 10, there are other options. 

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RE: Keep Cross Reference visible?

2011-03-02 Thread Combs, Richard 
Theresa de Valence wrote:
 
> Is there a handy way to keep the cross reference window open? Or some
> shortcut keys to open it?

Version? 

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Theresa de Valence wrote:

> Is there a handy way to keep the cross reference window open? Or some
> shortcut keys to open it?

Version? 

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SV: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

2011-03-02 Thread Jacob Schäffer 
Steve wrote:
< The sooner Apple buys the company, the better. >

Hmmm ...

Why? What is Apple *exactly* doing better than Adobe? Can Apple add value to
FrameMaker?

I doubt so *very* much. Personally I don't find any acquisition -- either
way -- likely in *any* future.

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Til: Shmuel Wolfson; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Emne: Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

At 10:51 +0200 2/3/11, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:

>You really have to wonder whether we should be looking a for a cheaper
solution. FrameMaker is a good program, but is it really worth the price?

As a 'roundly ripped off Mac user' here, my balanced opinion is that by
closing off historical upgrade routes - not just for FrameMaker, but for the
Creative Suite apps too - Adobe has created much more negative marketing
than the value of the few extra upgrade dollars it creates.

The sooner Apple buys the company, the better.

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RE: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

2011-03-02 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) 
Probably the same reason(ing) about why Adobe does not give a d*mn about the 
MAC, I suspect! :) :)

FWIW, I think that Steve  was kidding ... I doubt that Apple would buy 
FrameMaker from Adobe ... :)

Z

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Subject: Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

"And what makes you really think that Apple gives a d*mn about FrameMaker?"
EXACTLY!

Bodvar
2011/3/2 Dov Isaacs mailto:isa...@adobe.com>>
It is absolutely not going to ever happen! And what makes you really think that 
Apple gives a d*mn about FrameMaker?

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2011-03-02 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) 
Probably the same reason(ing) about why Adobe does not give a d*mn about the 
MAC, I suspect! :) :)

FWIW, I think that Steve  was kidding ... I doubt that Apple would buy 
FrameMaker from Adobe ... :)

Z

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To: Dov Isaacs
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Subject: Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

"And what makes you really think that Apple gives a d*mn about FrameMaker?"
EXACTLY!

Bodvar
2011/3/2 Dov Isaacs mailto:isaacs at adobe.com>>
It is absolutely not going to ever happen! And what makes you really think that 
Apple gives a d*mn about FrameMaker?

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So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

2011-03-02 Thread Don Rinderknecht 
Well, you can still upgrade to Frame 10 from 8 or 9 (not just 9) but 
riddle me this batman

You can upgrade to Tech Comm Suite from Frame 7 for $1299 (saves you 300 
over TCS direct purchase).

I really wish Adobe would come out with a roll your own suite... I've 
got CS5, but Frame 7.1... I'd like to pick my own components that I 
need... for example... Fireworks is perfect for what I need, but I have 
to have Photoshp. (Web "Standard" CS no longer exists.)

At the risk of going Off Topic I really miss Macromedia's upgrade 
prices. 

My 2 cents.

Don.


On 3/2/2011 9:04 AM, Steve Johnson wrote:
> IMHO, it's time to close out this discussion because it's become a
> series of meaningless rants. Regardless of what you think about the
> various versions of Frame over the years, as of the release of Frame
> 10, the only prior version you can get from Adobe anymore is Frame 9.
> Adobe has closed the door on Frame 8, 7, and so on.
>
> You can say whatever you want and most of us will probably agree but
> propagating this discussion here isn't going to change anything. If
> anybody knows how to directly contact the Frame program manager or
> senior management, you should post that so all of us can take a shot
> at those people and let them feel some of our frustration.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 3:12 AM, Steve Rickaby
>   wrote:
>> At 10:51 +0200 2/3/11, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:
>>
>>> You really have to wonder whether we should be looking a for a cheaper 
>>> solution. FrameMaker is a good program, but is it really worth the price?
>> As a 'roundly ripped off Mac user' here, my balanced opinion is that by 
>> closing off historical upgrade routes - not just for FrameMaker, but for the 
>> Creative Suite apps too - Adobe has created much more negative marketing 
>> than the value of the few extra upgrade dollars it creates.
>>
>> The sooner Apple buys the company, the better.
>>
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So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

2011-03-02 Thread Steve Rickaby 
At 09:27 -0800 2/3/11, Dov Isaacs wrote:

>It is absolutely not going to ever happen! And what makes you really think 
>that Apple gives a d*mn about FrameMaker?

Two answers...

. First point: I was joking.

. Second point: Apple still uses FrameMaker for a lot of its own documentation, 
about which, as you know, they take considerable care over style and 
presentation. Also, with Mr Jobs now gone, some members of the Apple board are 
showing signs of starting to think about new directions now that the 
i-everything market is becoming saturated. They have $6 million to play with.

But basically I was just daydreaming: spring brings that on ;-)

-- 
Steve

So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

2011-03-02 Thread Böðvar Björgvinsson 
"And what makes you really think that Apple gives a d*mn about FrameMaker?"
EXACTLY!

Bodvar

2011/3/2 Dov Isaacs 

> It is absolutely *not *going to ever happen! And what makes you really
> think that Apple gives a d*mn about FrameMaker?
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>
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Text insets

2011-03-02 Thread Martin Ley 
Hi folks,

I generally shy away from text insets, as they invariably barf on me in the 
target document - I get a spurious paragraph at the end of the imported inset 
which appears to be the same style (but with an asterisk) as the first 
paragraph of the source text.

This is a nightmare generally, and specifically if that initial paragraph is a 
Head1 (for example) - I get a blank entry in my TOC.

Over the years, I have tried various ways to get around this, and thought I had 
discovered nirvana in the form of an old thread:

http://www.freeframers.org/archive/00/msg01966.html

I tried the solution advocated in that thread and it seemed to work. Briefly. I 
gamely began producing a whole raft of insets in one document, in their own 
Flows, so I could import them into various target docs.

This week, my hard drive died, so I'm working from a bootable backup. Now, even 
using the same source FrameMaker files, I seem to be back to the bad old days 
of extraneous empty heading-style paragraphs. Does anyone have a clue as to how 
I can get around this? Or was I just dreaming? :-(

I'm using Frame 9 (latest patches) on an MacBook Pro(OS X 10.6.6) running Win7 
under Parallels Desktop for Mac. Old (dead drive) Mac had 8GB RAM. This one 
only has 3GB (so reconfigured Parallels to cope).

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RE: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

2011-03-02 Thread Everette, Dimi 
Perhaps I'm in the minority, but I'm excited about getting FM 10 here at work. 
I've been using FM9 for a couple of years, and it was a huge improvement over 
7.2 to me. I've used only unstructured and I'm just doing run-of-the-mill 
technical publications, but I love FrameMaker--always have and always will 
(probably!).

FM 7.2 was good enough for a long time, but I discovered that it didn't play 
well with some of the older books I work on, especially the large ones. Then 
came FM 9 and the nifty redesign--yeah, some of it's a PITA but you get used to 
it. After attending the Adobe webinar about TCS3 and one about FM 10, I am 
ready to go to the next level.

Regards,
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To: 'Steve Rickaby'; 'Shmuel Wolfson'; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: SV: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

Steve wrote:
< The sooner Apple buys the company, the better. >

Hmmm ...

Why? What is Apple *exactly* doing better than Adobe? Can Apple add value to
FrameMaker?

I doubt so *very* much. Personally I don't find any acquisition -- either
way -- likely in *any* future.

Best regards / Med venlig hilsen
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Emne: Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

At 10:51 +0200 2/3/11, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:

>You really have to wonder whether we should be looking a for a cheaper
solution. FrameMaker is a good program, but is it really worth the price?

As a 'roundly ripped off Mac user' here, my balanced opinion is that by
closing off historical upgrade routes - not just for FrameMaker, but for the
Creative Suite apps too - Adobe has created much more negative marketing
than the value of the few extra upgrade dollars it creates.

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Re: autonumber at end of text is mis-aligned

2011-03-02 Thread Bernard Gagne 
Hi Leigh,
This appears to be the intended behaviour. To be honest, I can't think of a 
single instance where I have wanted the autonumber to begin at the end of a 
paragraph so it has never been an issue for me.
Best of luck.

Berny Gagne
Independent Technical Communications Contractor


From: LW White 
To: FrameUsersDigest 
Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2011 2:11:51 PM
Subject: autonumber at end of text is mis-aligned


I'm trying to add some text as autonumbering at the end of a paragraph. 
Regardless of the justification setting for the paragraph format, the 
autonumber is right-justified, creating a LOT of blank space between the 
paragraph text and the autonumber. In other words, I want

Blah blah blah - Continued

(where "-Continued" is the autonumber)

but I get

Blah blah blah..- 
Continued|

where | is the right margin and the dots represent blank space. Happens 
regardless of whether the autonumber is text, a building block, whatever. 
What's up with this?

Thanks,
Leigh

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Keep Cross Reference visible?

2011-03-02 Thread Theresa de Valence 
Is there a handy way to keep the cross reference window open? Or some 
shortcut keys to open it?


Thanks,
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Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

2011-03-02 Thread Steve Johnson 
IMHO, it's time to close out this discussion because it's become a
series of meaningless rants. Regardless of what you think about the
various versions of Frame over the years, as of the release of Frame
10, the only prior version you can get from Adobe anymore is Frame 9.
Adobe has closed the door on Frame 8, 7, and so on.

You can say whatever you want and most of us will probably agree but
propagating this discussion here isn't going to change anything. If
anybody knows how to directly contact the Frame program manager or
senior management, you should post that so all of us can take a shot
at those people and let them feel some of our frustration.



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> At 10:51 +0200 2/3/11, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:
>
>>You really have to wonder whether we should be looking a for a cheaper 
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>
> As a 'roundly ripped off Mac user' here, my balanced opinion is that by 
> closing off historical upgrade routes - not just for FrameMaker, but for the 
> Creative Suite apps too - Adobe has created much more negative marketing than 
> the value of the few extra upgrade dollars it creates.
>
> The sooner Apple buys the company, the better.
>
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autonumber at end of text is mis-aligned

2011-03-02 Thread Rick Quatro 
Hi Leigh,



Thanks the way it works in FrameMaker. If you are using structured
FrameMaker, you can use a suffix instead.



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To: FrameUsersDigest
Subject: autonumber at end of text is mis-aligned



I'm trying to add some text as autonumbering at the end of a paragraph.
Regardless of the justification setting for the paragraph format, the
autonumber is right-justified, creating a LOT of blank space between the
paragraph text and the autonumber. In other words, I want

Blah blah blah - Continued

(where "-Continued" is the autonumber)

but I get

Blah blah
blah..-
Continued|

where | is the right margin and the dots represent blank space. Happens
regardless of whether the autonumber is text, a building block, whatever.
What's up with this?

Thanks,
Leigh

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autonumber at end of text is mis-aligned

2011-03-02 Thread Fred Ridder 

That's just the way autonumbering works. The autonumber characters always 
appear after the pilcrow, all the way at the paragraph's right margin setting.

The only way I see to accomplish what you want to do is to use a 2-paragraph 
solution. You'd define a new paragraph tag that has whatever continuation text 
string you want to use as its autonumber (using the before paragraph position 
option). Then you'd define a new paragraph tag that is identical to your 
regular text paragraph except that it is set to be a run-in head on the 
Pagination tab of the Paragraph Designer. And to streamline things, you could 
set that paragraph format to have the "continuation" paragraph as the next 
patragraph tag. In use, you'd apply the "text continued" tag to the paragraph 
in question, and then press Enter to insert an otherwise empty paragraph that 
has the desired autonumbering string. Not pretty, but it works. And it seems 
like a kind of strange requirement in the first place (IMO).

-Fred Ridder



From: lwwhi...@hotmail.com
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: autonumber at end of text is mis-aligned
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 13:11:51 -0600




I'm trying to add some text as autonumbering at the end of a paragraph. 
Regardless of the justification setting for the paragraph format, the 
autonumber is right-justified, creating a LOT of blank space between the 
paragraph text and the autonumber. In other words, I want

Blah blah blah - Continued

(where "-Continued" is the autonumber)

but I get

Blah blah blah..- 
Continued|

where | is the right margin and the dots represent blank space. Happens 
regardless of whether the autonumber is text, a building block, whatever. 
What's up with this?

Thanks,
Leigh

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So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

2011-03-02 Thread Everette, Dimi 
Perhaps I'm in the minority, but I'm excited about getting FM 10 here at work. 
I've been using FM9 for a couple of years, and it was a huge improvement over 
7.2 to me. I've used only unstructured and I'm just doing run-of-the-mill 
technical publications, but I love FrameMaker--always have and always will 
(probably!).

FM 7.2 was good enough for a long time, but I discovered that it didn't play 
well with some of the older books I work on, especially the large ones. Then 
came FM 9 and the nifty redesign--yeah, some of it's a PITA but you get used to 
it. After attending the Adobe webinar about TCS3 and one about FM 10, I am 
ready to go to the next level.

Regards,
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Steve wrote:
< The sooner Apple buys the company, the better. >

Hmmm ...

Why? What is Apple *exactly* doing better than Adobe? Can Apple add value to
FrameMaker?

I doubt so *very* much. Personally I don't find any acquisition -- either
way -- likely in *any* future.

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Emne: Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

At 10:51 +0200 2/3/11, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:

>You really have to wonder whether we should be looking a for a cheaper
solution. FrameMaker is a good program, but is it really worth the price?

As a 'roundly ripped off Mac user' here, my balanced opinion is that by
closing off historical upgrade routes - not just for FrameMaker, but for the
Creative Suite apps too - Adobe has created much more negative marketing
than the value of the few extra upgrade dollars it creates.

The sooner Apple buys the company, the better.

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autonumber at end of text is mis-aligned

2011-03-02 Thread LW White 

I'm trying to add some text as autonumbering at the end of a paragraph. 
Regardless of the justification setting for the paragraph format, the 
autonumber is right-justified, creating a LOT of blank space between the 
paragraph text and the autonumber. In other words, I want

Blah blah blah - Continued

(where "-Continued" is the autonumber)

but I get

Blah blah blah..- 
Continued|

where | is the right margin and the dots represent blank space. Happens 
regardless of whether the autonumber is text, a building block, whatever. 
What's up with this?

Thanks,
Leigh

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SV: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

2011-03-02 Thread Jacob Schäffer 
Steve wrote:
< The sooner Apple buys the company, the better. >

Hmmm ...

Why? What is Apple *exactly* doing better than Adobe? Can Apple add value to
FrameMaker?

I doubt so *very* much. Personally I don't find any acquisition -- either
way -- likely in *any* future.

Best regards / Med venlig hilsen
Jacob Schäffer  |  Chief Developer
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Til: Shmuel Wolfson; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Emne: Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

At 10:51 +0200 2/3/11, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:

>You really have to wonder whether we should be looking a for a cheaper
solution. FrameMaker is a good program, but is it really worth the price?

As a 'roundly ripped off Mac user' here, my balanced opinion is that by
closing off historical upgrade routes - not just for FrameMaker, but for the
Creative Suite apps too - Adobe has created much more negative marketing
than the value of the few extra upgrade dollars it creates.

The sooner Apple buys the company, the better.

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RE: autonumber at end of text is mis-aligned

2011-03-02 Thread Rick Quatro 
Hi Leigh,

 

Thanks the way it works in FrameMaker. If you are using structured
FrameMaker, you can use a suffix instead.

 

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Subject: autonumber at end of text is mis-aligned

 

I'm trying to add some text as autonumbering at the end of a paragraph.
Regardless of the justification setting for the paragraph format, the
autonumber is right-justified, creating a LOT of blank space between the
paragraph text and the autonumber. In other words, I want

Blah blah blah - Continued

(where "-Continued" is the autonumber)

but I get

Blah blah
blah..-
Continued|

where | is the right margin and the dots represent blank space. Happens
regardless of whether the autonumber is text, a building block, whatever.
What's up with this?

Thanks,
Leigh

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So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

2011-03-02 Thread Scott Turner 
There is a third point, which is just as viable: "What makes you think that 
Adobe gives a d*mn about FrameMaker?"

Scott

On Mar 2, 2011, at 11:44, Steve Rickaby  
wrote:

> At 09:27 -0800 2/3/11, Dov Isaacs wrote:
> 
>> It is absolutely not going to ever happen! And what makes you really think 
>> that Apple gives a d*mn about FrameMaker?
> 
> Two answers...
> 
> . First point: I was joking.
> 
> . Second point: Apple still uses FrameMaker for a lot of its own 
> documentation, about which, as you know, they take considerable care over 
> style and presentation. Also, with Mr Jobs now gone, some members of the 
> Apple board are showing signs of starting to think about new directions now 
> that the i-everything market is becoming saturated. They have $6 million to 
> play with.
> 
> But basically I was just daydreaming: spring brings that on ;-)
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RE: autonumber at end of text is mis-aligned

2011-03-02 Thread Fred Ridder 

That's just the way autonumbering works. The autonumber characters always 
appear after the pilcrow, all the way at the paragraph's right margin setting.
 
The only way I see to accomplish what you want to do is to use a 2-paragraph 
solution. You'd define a new paragraph tag that has whatever continuation text 
string you want to use as its autonumber (using the before paragraph position 
option). Then you'd define a new paragraph tag that is identical to your 
regular text paragraph except that it is set to be a run-in head on the 
Pagination tab of the Paragraph Designer. And to streamline things, you could 
set that paragraph format to have the "continuation" paragraph as the next 
patragraph tag. In use, you'd apply the "text continued" tag to the paragraph 
in question, and then press Enter to insert an otherwise empty paragraph that 
has the desired autonumbering string. Not pretty, but it works. And it seems 
like a kind of strange requirement in the first place (IMO).
 
-Fred Ridder
 


From: lwwhi...@hotmail.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: autonumber at end of text is mis-aligned
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 13:11:51 -0600




I'm trying to add some text as autonumbering at the end of a paragraph. 
Regardless of the justification setting for the paragraph format, the 
autonumber is right-justified, creating a LOT of blank space between the 
paragraph text and the autonumber. In other words, I want

Blah blah blah - Continued

(where "-Continued" is the autonumber)

but I get

Blah blah blah..- 
Continued|

where | is the right margin and the dots represent blank space. Happens 
regardless of whether the autonumber is text, a building block, whatever. 
What's up with this?

Thanks,
Leigh

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Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

2011-03-02 Thread Scott Turner 
There is a third point, which is just as viable: "What makes you think that 
Adobe gives a d*mn about FrameMaker?"

Scott

On Mar 2, 2011, at 11:44, Steve Rickaby  
wrote:

> At 09:27 -0800 2/3/11, Dov Isaacs wrote:
> 
>> It is absolutely not going to ever happen! And what makes you really think 
>> that Apple gives a d*mn about FrameMaker?
> 
> Two answers...
> 
> . First point: I was joking.
> 
> . Second point: Apple still uses FrameMaker for a lot of its own 
> documentation, about which, as you know, they take considerable care over 
> style and presentation. Also, with Mr Jobs now gone, some members of the 
> Apple board are showing signs of starting to think about new directions now 
> that the i-everything market is becoming saturated. They have $6 million to 
> play with.
> 
> But basically I was just daydreaming: spring brings that on ;-)
> 
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autonumber at end of text is mis-aligned

2011-03-02 Thread Bernard Gagne 
Hi Leigh,
This appears to be the intended behaviour. To be honest, I can't think of a 
single instance where I have wanted the autonumber to begin at the end of a 
paragraph so it has never been an issue for me.
Best of luck.

Berny Gagne
Independent Technical Communications Contractor


From: LW White 
To: FrameUsersDigest 
Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2011 2:11:51 PM
Subject: autonumber at end of text is mis-aligned


I'm trying to add some text as autonumbering at the end of a paragraph. 
Regardless of the justification setting for the paragraph format, the 
autonumber is right-justified, creating a LOT of blank space between the 
paragraph text and the autonumber. In other words, I want

Blah blah blah - Continued

(where "-Continued" is the autonumber)

but I get

Blah blah blah..- 
Continued|

where | is the right margin and the dots represent blank space. Happens 
regardless of whether the autonumber is text, a building block, whatever. 
What's up with this?

Thanks,
Leigh

autonumber at end of text is mis-aligned

2011-03-02 Thread LW White 

I'm trying to add some text as autonumbering at the end of a paragraph. 
Regardless of the justification setting for the paragraph format, the 
autonumber is right-justified, creating a LOT of blank space between the 
paragraph text and the autonumber. In other words, I want

Blah blah blah - Continued

(where "-Continued" is the autonumber)

but I get

Blah blah blah..- 
Continued|

where | is the right margin and the dots represent blank space. Happens 
regardless of whether the autonumber is text, a building block, whatever. 
What's up with this?

Thanks,
Leigh
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[f2a] Linkg from Visio diagrams to FM files (final deliverable is a PDF)

2011-03-02 Thread Shlomo Perets 
Tammy,

You wrote:

>I want to modify some Visio diagrams and in this modification, include a 
>link from different parts of the diagram to different locations in 
>Framemaker files. The Visio diagrams will be in files that are in the same 
>book as the files to which I want to link. The final deliverable will be a 
>PDF. Is this even possible?

If you are referring to including links in the native graphics that will be 
carried over as interactive items to the PDF, this requires other formats 
(e.g. SWF, with Acrobat/Reader 9 or later, or U3D, as well as 
production-side add-ons).

Even though Visio itself supports the insertion of hyperlinks for objects 
inside the drawing, this functionality is carried over to PDF when Visio 
drawings are integrated into FM (which is then converted to PDF).

With Visio (or with any other graphic format you can use in FrameMaker), 
simply add text frames in the anchored frame containing the graphics, with 
the hypertext markers defining the links (typically gotolink markers 
pointing to destinations defined with newlink markers). When the graphics 
is revised/resized, you will need to review/update the size/position of the 
text frames or the markers' content.

Set the graphic runaround property to "Don't Run Around", so that text 
frames can placed on top of the graphics without the frame content being 
"repelled".

Text frames (and the resulting PDF links) are always rectangular. 
Technically, it is possible to set the link highlight property to None so 
that no attention is drawn to the rectangle shape (e.g. when the link is 
placed over a diamond shape).


Shlomo Perets

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Fonts not found

2011-03-02 Thread Stuart Rogers 
On 01/03/2011 10:57 AM, Anthony Davey wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Help please. Trialling Frame 10 in TCS3 on XP SP3. From Frame 10, using
> a template built in 8, I can display our corporate logo font in the
> Frame docs, but when I use Distiller to Save as PDF... the typeface
> changes to Times New Roman.
>
> The corporate face is AG Book Rounded. In the Frame paragraph designer
> this displays as ?AG Book Rounded Medium?; but in C:\Windows\Fonts the
> nearest equivalent is ?AGBookRounded-Medium (OpenType)?.
>
> However, this doesn?t seem to be the cause, or at least not all of it. I
> tried substituting ?Myriad Pro? (name in paragraph designer - which is
> an Adobe supplied typeface, admittedly), the equivalent of which in
> C:/Windows/Fonts is ?MyriadPro-[VariantName] (OpenType)? and this did
> not get substituted.
>
> I?ve reinstalled Acrobat and Frame since importing the fonts into
> C:/Windows/Fonts and the fonts all show up in the Frame fonts list, so
> it must be a foible of Acrobat X, mustn?t it?
>
> This is the corporate typeface for titles of publications so it?s a bit
> important that I resolve this soon.
>
> Many thanks for any help you can give.
>

Anthony,

Have you examined the joboptions for Distiller to ensure that the font 
is being embedded as a subset?  Do you have Distiller set to Cancel Job 
on any problems?  Have you examined the log produced by Distiller? 
Check this out, page 67 onward:
http://www.planetpdf.com/planetpdf/pdfs/pdf2k/01W/isaacs_reliablepdfcreation.pdf

HTH,

-- 
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So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

2011-03-02 Thread Shmuel Wolfson 
By Adobe changing their upgrade policy, to *not* allow upgrades for a 
few version back, they essentially have raised their price a lot for 
those who want to stay even somewhat current.

You used to be able to upgrade every three versions without a problem. 
Now you have to upgrade *every* version to get the $400 upgrade price. 
Essentially they raised their upgrade price 300%!

You really have to wonder whether we should be looking a for a cheaper 
solution. FrameMaker is a good program, but is it really worth the price?

Regards,
Shmuel Wolfson
Technical Writer
052-763-7133


On 3/1/2011 4:44 PM, Alan Houser wrote:
> If you check the PDF properties of Apple's documentation, you will 
> find that a surprising number are authored and published in FrameMaker 
> 7. InDesign CS3 is also popular there.
>
> And the TechCrunch blog recently forecast that Apple-based readers 
> will outnumber Windows-based readers by the end of 2012.
> http://techcrunch.com/2011/02/27/apple-versus-microsoft-share/
>
> I know the "FrameMaker on Mac" horse was beaten to death long ago, but 
> perhaps it's time for Adobe to consider reviving the horse...
>
> -Alan
> ---
>
> Alan Houser, President
> Group Wellesley, Inc.
> 412-363-3481
> www.groupwellesley.com
>
>
> On 3/1/2011 8:18 AM, Steve Rickaby wrote:
>> At 13:25 +0200 1/3/11, Carrie Baker wrote:
>>
>>> Are others in the same boat?
>>> Is there any point in trying to get an upgrade to version 9, and 
>>> then at a later point upgrading again?
>> Frame 7 on Mac here, so doubly stuck.
>>
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Keep Cross Reference visible?

2011-03-02 Thread Theresa de Valence 
Is there a handy way to keep the cross reference window open? Or some 
shortcut keys to open it?

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RE: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

2011-03-02 Thread Steve Rickaby 
At 09:27 -0800 2/3/11, Dov Isaacs wrote:

>It is absolutely not going to ever happen! And what makes you really think 
>that Apple gives a d*mn about FrameMaker?

Two answers...

. First point: I was joking.

. Second point: Apple still uses FrameMaker for a lot of its own documentation, 
about which, as you know, they take considerable care over style and 
presentation. Also, with Mr Jobs now gone, some members of the Apple board are 
showing signs of starting to think about new directions now that the 
i-everything market is becoming saturated. They have $6 million to play with.

But basically I was just daydreaming: spring brings that on ;-)

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RE: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

2011-03-02 Thread Dov Isaacs 
Will never happen, either or both!


At 09:44 -0500 1/3/11, Alan Houser wrote:



Indeed it was. In my dreams, Apple buys Adobe and forces them to revive it.



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Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

2011-03-02 Thread Böðvar Björgvinsson 
"And what makes you really think that Apple gives a d*mn about FrameMaker?"
EXACTLY!

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2011/3/2 Dov Isaacs 

> It is absolutely *not *going to ever happen! And what makes you really
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RE: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

2011-03-02 Thread Dov Isaacs 
It is absolutely not going to ever happen! And what makes you really think that 
Apple gives a d*mn about FrameMaker?

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So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

2011-03-02 Thread Dov Isaacs 
It is absolutely not going to ever happen! And what makes you really think that 
Apple gives a d*mn about FrameMaker?

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The sooner Apple buys the company, the better.



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So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

2011-03-02 Thread Steve Rickaby 
At 10:51 +0200 2/3/11, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:

>You really have to wonder whether we should be looking a for a cheaper 
>solution. FrameMaker is a good program, but is it really worth the price?

As a 'roundly ripped off Mac user' here, my balanced opinion is that by closing 
off historical upgrade routes - not just for FrameMaker, but for the Creative 
Suite apps too - Adobe has created much more negative marketing than the value 
of the few extra upgrade dollars it creates.

The sooner Apple buys the company, the better.

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So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

2011-03-02 Thread Steve Johnson 
IMHO, it's time to close out this discussion because it's become a
series of meaningless rants. Regardless of what you think about the
various versions of Frame over the years, as of the release of Frame
10, the only prior version you can get from Adobe anymore is Frame 9.
Adobe has closed the door on Frame 8, 7, and so on.

You can say whatever you want and most of us will probably agree but
propagating this discussion here isn't going to change anything. If
anybody knows how to directly contact the Frame program manager or
senior management, you should post that so all of us can take a shot
at those people and let them feel some of our frustration.



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> At 10:51 +0200 2/3/11, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:
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>>You really have to wonder whether we should be looking a for a cheaper 
>>solution. FrameMaker is a good program, but is it really worth the price?
>
> As a 'roundly ripped off Mac user' here, my balanced opinion is that by 
> closing off historical upgrade routes - not just for FrameMaker, but for the 
> Creative Suite apps too - Adobe has created much more negative marketing than 
> the value of the few extra upgrade dollars it creates.
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Re: Fonts not found

2011-03-02 Thread Stuart Rogers 

On 01/03/2011 10:57 AM, Anthony Davey wrote:

Hi All,

Help please. Trialling Frame 10 in TCS3 on XP SP3. From Frame 10, using
a template built in 8, I can display our corporate logo font in the
Frame docs, but when I use Distiller to Save as PDF... the typeface
changes to Times New Roman.

The corporate face is AG Book Rounded. In the Frame paragraph designer
this displays as ‘AG Book Rounded Medium’; but in C:\Windows\Fonts the
nearest equivalent is ‘AGBookRounded-Medium (OpenType)’.

However, this doesn’t seem to be the cause, or at least not all of it. I
tried substituting ‘Myriad Pro’ (name in paragraph designer - which is
an Adobe supplied typeface, admittedly), the equivalent of which in
C:/Windows/Fonts is ‘MyriadPro-[VariantName] (OpenType)’ and this did
not get substituted.

I’ve reinstalled Acrobat and Frame since importing the fonts into
C:/Windows/Fonts and the fonts all show up in the Frame fonts list, so
it must be a foible of Acrobat X, mustn’t it?

This is the corporate typeface for titles of publications so it’s a bit
important that I resolve this soon.

Many thanks for any help you can give.



Anthony,

Have you examined the joboptions for Distiller to ensure that the font 
is being embedded as a subset?  Do you have Distiller set to Cancel Job 
on any problems?  Have you examined the log produced by Distiller? 
Check this out, page 67 onward:

http://www.planetpdf.com/planetpdf/pdfs/pdf2k/01W/isaacs_reliablepdfcreation.pdf

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So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

2011-03-02 Thread Alan Litchfield 
Yeah, I'm in that boat, and pricing in this part of the world is such  
that we get to pay significantly more than those stateside.

Alan

On Mar 2, 2011, at 12:25 AM, Carrie Baker wrote:

> I am in a small company with not really any justification to move  
> to Frame 8 or 9. Frame7 seems sufficient for what we need, and they  
> do have quite a tight budget.
> However, now I understand that even if I want to, moving to Frame  
> 10 is not an upgrade, but purchase a new license.
>
> Are others in the same boat?
> Is there any point in trying to get an upgrade to version 9, and  
> then at a later point upgrading again?
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RE: [f2a] Linkg from Visio diagrams to FM files (final deliverable is a PDF)

2011-03-02 Thread Spectrum Writing 
Thank you Shlomo very much.  I think I understand your instructions. I will
try to implement them today and if I have questions, I will ping the list
again.

 

Much appreciated,

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is a PDF)

 

  

Tammy,

You wrote:

>I want to modify some Visio diagrams and in this modification, include a 
>link from different parts of the diagram to different locations in 
>Framemaker files. The Visio diagrams will be in files that are in the same 
>book as the files to which I want to link. The final deliverable will be a 
>PDF. Is this even possible?

If you are referring to including links in the native graphics that will be 
carried over as interactive items to the PDF, this requires other formats 
(e.g. SWF, with Acrobat/Reader 9 or later, or U3D, as well as 
production-side add-ons).

Even though Visio itself supports the insertion of hyperlinks for objects 
inside the drawing, this functionality is carried over to PDF when Visio 
drawings are integrated into FM (which is then converted to PDF).

With Visio (or with any other graphic format you can use in FrameMaker), 
simply add text frames in the anchored frame containing the graphics, with 
the hypertext markers defining the links (typically gotolink markers 
pointing to destinations defined with newlink markers). When the graphics 
is revised/resized, you will need to review/update the size/position of the 
text frames or the markers' content.

Set the graphic runaround property to "Don't Run Around", so that text 
frames can placed on top of the graphics without the frame content being 
"repelled".

Text frames (and the resulting PDF links) are always rectangular. 
Technically, it is possible to set the link highlight property to None so 
that no attention is drawn to the rectangle shape (e.g. when the link is 
placed over a diamond shape).

Shlomo Perets

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Re: [f2a] Linkg from Visio diagrams to FM files (final deliverable is a PDF)

2011-03-02 Thread Shlomo Perets 

Tammy,

You wrote:

I want to modify some Visio diagrams and in this modification, include a 
link from different parts of the diagram to different locations in 
Framemaker files. The Visio diagrams will be in files that are in the same 
book as the files to which I want to link. The final deliverable will be a 
PDF. Is this even possible?


If you are referring to including links in the native graphics that will be 
carried over as interactive items to the PDF, this requires other formats 
(e.g. SWF, with Acrobat/Reader 9 or later, or U3D, as well as 
production-side add-ons).


Even though Visio itself supports the insertion of hyperlinks for objects 
inside the drawing, this functionality is carried over to PDF when Visio 
drawings are integrated into FM (which is then converted to PDF).


With Visio (or with any other graphic format you can use in FrameMaker), 
simply add text frames in the anchored frame containing the graphics, with 
the hypertext markers defining the links (typically gotolink markers 
pointing to destinations defined with newlink markers). When the graphics 
is revised/resized, you will need to review/update the size/position of the 
text frames or the markers' content.


Set the graphic runaround property to "Don't Run Around", so that text 
frames can placed on top of the graphics without the frame content being 
"repelled".


Text frames (and the resulting PDF links) are always rectangular. 
Technically, it is possible to set the link highlight property to None so 
that no attention is drawn to the rectangle shape (e.g. when the link is 
placed over a diamond shape).



Shlomo Perets

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Free webinar March 14 (10am PDT), Walkthrough: From static PDF to rich 
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Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

2011-03-02 Thread Steve Rickaby 
At 10:51 +0200 2/3/11, Shmuel Wolfson wrote:

>You really have to wonder whether we should be looking a for a cheaper 
>solution. FrameMaker is a good program, but is it really worth the price?

As a 'roundly ripped off Mac user' here, my balanced opinion is that by closing 
off historical upgrade routes - not just for FrameMaker, but for the Creative 
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of the few extra upgrade dollars it creates.

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Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

2011-03-02 Thread Shmuel Wolfson 
By Adobe changing their upgrade policy, to *not* allow upgrades for a 
few version back, they essentially have raised their price a lot for 
those who want to stay even somewhat current.


You used to be able to upgrade every three versions without a problem. 
Now you have to upgrade *every* version to get the $400 upgrade price. 
Essentially they raised their upgrade price 300%!


You really have to wonder whether we should be looking a for a cheaper 
solution. FrameMaker is a good program, but is it really worth the price?


Regards,
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On 3/1/2011 4:44 PM, Alan Houser wrote:
If you check the PDF properties of Apple's documentation, you will 
find that a surprising number are authored and published in FrameMaker 
7. InDesign CS3 is also popular there.


And the TechCrunch blog recently forecast that Apple-based readers 
will outnumber Windows-based readers by the end of 2012.

http://techcrunch.com/2011/02/27/apple-versus-microsoft-share/

I know the "FrameMaker on Mac" horse was beaten to death long ago, but 
perhaps it's time for Adobe to consider reviving the horse...


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On 3/1/2011 8:18 AM, Steve Rickaby wrote:

At 13:25 +0200 1/3/11, Carrie Baker wrote:


Are others in the same boat?
Is there any point in trying to get an upgrade to version 9, and 
then at a later point upgrading again?

Frame 7 on Mac here, so doubly stuck.


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2011-03-02 Thread st...@siliconprairiesoftware.com 
[Sorry for the long message. A download at the could make it worthwhile.]

It's not an uncommon situation. I have several large documentation sets I
maintain that are on FrameMaker 7.0, and it's likely that's where
management says they will stay for now.

I personally have seen some of the problems that have been reported with
running older versions of Frame on Windows Vista and Windows 7. I had
tried using the compatibility settings that Windows Vista and 7 provide.
The settings helped in Windows Vista, but actually made things worse in
Windows 7. I would get the graphic frame dragging crashes, and have very
sluggish performance of the application even on very fast hardware.

My solution was to create a compatiblity shim that installs on the system.
A compatibility shim is a standard way to control operating system
settings for a specific program, allowing it to be more compatible with
the base operating system. A compatibility shim provides much more control
over the settings than the basic compatibility settings provided by the
base operating system.

I have been using the first version of this shim for a few years. I just
recently had to update it to work on a 64-bit Windows 7 machine. It makes
Frame 7 function very much like it did on Windows XP.

Since there has been some discussion about this, I decided to make the
compatibility software available for download. You can get it from the
Downloads page at the Silicon Prairie Software web site:

http://www.siliconprairiesoftware.com

It's way down at the bottom of the Downloads page.

Like the other software on the site, it's available as Shareware. If you
try the software and it helps you out, please consider paying the token
shareware fee. This one is entirely on the honor system! :-)

Hopefully you see the same benefits of the compatibility shim that I have.

Steve

Re: So how many of us are stuck with Frame 7.2?

2011-03-02 Thread Helen Borrie 
At 08:15 AM 2/03/2011, Alan Litchfield wrote:
>Yeah, I'm in that boat, and pricing in this part of the world is such that we 
>get to pay significantly more than those stateside.

Worse, that upgrade thing is a cheat.  I was contentedly using FM6 which, when 
bought, had an upgrade path of two versions.  That meant I could upgrade to FM 
7 or FM8 when I was ready.  Yeah, right. 

The *same week" Adobe released FM 9 they pulled all the upgrade packs for FM8 - 
just at the very moment I decided I wanted FM8 for the structured support.  
Every single outlet in Australia (and I rang them all!) told me the same story 
- FM8 upgrade packs are all packaged up ready to go back to Adobe, not allowed 
to sell them.

Finally got hold of Adobe sales/support in Australia (not easy!), to be told 
that, no, my only option now was to buy full FM9 and then apply for a downgrade 
to FM8.  This apparently comes as a link to an ISO in a secret corner of 
Adobe's ftp facilities: they don't supply a disk in return for all that money!

Well, I did not (and still don't) want FM9 and was in no way willing or able to 
beggar myself to get the FM8 upgrade I am entitled to.  Luckily, with a lot of 
perseverance, in March 2009, I was able to pick up a remaindered retail copy of 
full FM8 from **somewhere** (at remaindered software price, natch!) so was able 
to avoid the full Sting. IMO, Adobe's "moving goalpost" attitude to policy 
stinks at least 200% more than the sins that Microsoft is accused of!

So, no, I never did FM 7.  I guess I'm "stuck with FM 8" now, but I'm 
comfortable with that. I think the Mac users have been roundly ripped off, too.

Bah! 

Helen

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