Re: Splitting tables across a page break: FM 8

[Les Smalley]

The table variables (table sheet or table continuation) are designed to work in 
those parts of a table that are automatically repeated when the table breaks 
across pages: the Table Title, Header and Footer rows.  You inset the variable 
on the first page (the only place in the document where you can edit content of 
these items) and they work as advertised
The table sheet shows on every page enumerating which of how many total pieces 
you're viewing, while the continuation variable only shows as a non-breaking 
space (if you display text symbols) on the first page but expands on subsequent 
pages to its text definition.
As you note, it's not possible in stock FM to get the effect of "continued" as 
an item for all segments of a table except the last one, Frame just isn't 
designed that way. 
Helen mentions that the heading are duplicated, that indicates to me they are 
in a heading row.  You could add another heading row (and maybe straddle the 
two columns and even suppress the top and side ruling lines) and have 
"continued" display in that for the additional pieces. Admittedly that's not 
quite the desired design, but seems as close as FM gets out of the box and 
before you start looking at tools like FrameScript.
– Les

--- On Thu, 3/17/11, Steve Rickaby  wrote:
At 20:16 +1300 17/3/11, Helen Borrie wrote:

>That is what I wanted but it seems there's not a way to do it.  My table 
>template doesn't have a "title row".  It has a table caption and then goes 
>right into the table, 2 cols with a column heading for each.  It is breaking 
>correctly, insofar as it observes the 2-orphan rule and also dups the headings 
>on the second sheet.  Just doesn't seem to be a way to put a conditional 
>"extraneous" row there.

As I see it, you wanted a '...continued' line to be displayed *after* the last 
row of a broken table on a page. Afaik there is no way to do this in 
unstructured FrameMaker other than manually inserting text, with the problems 
that will give you if text flows.

What you can do, as has been mentioned here already, is to use the table 
continuation variable. FrameMaker will then display the text of the variable in 
the running table titles that echo the title into which you insert it, i.e. not 
at the point at which the table is broken, but in the table title row(s) that 
follow it. This only works if your table has one or more title rows.

To use the variable, set its text to what you want ('contd.', 'continued...', 
whatever), and insert it after the appropriate text in the table title on the 
first page on which the table occurs. Note the FrameMaker *only* displays the 
variable on continuation titles, so it will not be displayed in the title row 
where you insert it. This looks like a bug when you first use it, but is not.

If your table style does not have one or more title rows, I don't think you can 
use the table continuation variable.

In theory you could put your 'continued' line in a footer on a new master page, 
and then trigger that master page from a para tag in your table, but that 
wouldn't be able to discriminate between tables that cross page boundaries and 
those that didn't without the intervention of something like FrameScript, so 
I'm stumped there. Maybe someone more ingenious than me might think of a way to 
make this work.

-- 
Steve
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Splitting tables across a page break: FM 8

[Les Smalley]

The table variables (table sheet or table continuation) are designed to work in 
those parts of a table that are automatically repeated when the table breaks 
across pages: the Table Title, Header and Footer rows. ?You inset the variable 
on the first page (the only place in the document where you can edit content of 
these items) and they work as advertised
The table sheet shows on every page enumerating which of how many total pieces 
you're viewing, while the continuation variable only shows as a non-breaking 
space (if you display text symbols) on the first page but expands on subsequent 
pages to its text definition.
As you note, it's not possible in stock FM to get the effect of "continued" as 
an item for all segments of a table except the last one, Frame just isn't 
designed that way.?
Helen mentions that the heading are duplicated, that indicates to me they are 
in a heading row. ?You could add another heading row (and maybe straddle the 
two columns and even suppress the top and side ruling lines) and have 
"continued" display in that for the additional pieces. Admittedly that's not 
quite the desired design, but seems as close as FM gets out of the box and 
before you start looking at tools like FrameScript.
? Les

--- On Thu, 3/17/11, Steve Rickaby  wrote:
At 20:16 +1300 17/3/11, Helen Borrie wrote:

>That is what I wanted but it seems there's not a way to do it.? My table 
>template doesn't have a "title row".? It has a table caption and then goes 
>right into the table, 2 cols with a column heading for each.? It is breaking 
>correctly, insofar as it observes the 2-orphan rule and also dups the headings 
>on the second sheet.? Just doesn't seem to be a way to put a conditional 
>"extraneous" row there.

As I see it, you wanted a '...continued' line to be displayed *after* the last 
row of a broken table on a page. Afaik there is no way to do this in 
unstructured FrameMaker other than manually inserting text, with the problems 
that will give you if text flows.

What you can do, as has been mentioned here already, is to use the table 
continuation variable. FrameMaker will then display the text of the variable in 
the running table titles that echo the title into which you insert it, i.e. not 
at the point at which the table is broken, but in the table title row(s) that 
follow it. This only works if your table has one or more title rows.

To use the variable, set its text to what you want ('contd.', 'continued...', 
whatever), and insert it after the appropriate text in the table title on the 
first page on which the table occurs. Note the FrameMaker *only* displays the 
variable on continuation titles, so it will not be displayed in the title row 
where you insert it. This looks like a bug when you first use it, but is not.

If your table style does not have one or more title rows, I don't think you can 
use the table continuation variable.

In theory you could put your 'continued' line in a footer on a new master page, 
and then trigger that master page from a para tag in your table, but that 
wouldn't be able to discriminate between tables that cross page boundaries and 
those that didn't without the intervention of something like FrameScript, so 
I'm stumped there. Maybe someone more ingenious than me might think of a way to 
make this work.

-- 
Steve
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Splitting tables across a page break: FM 8

[Helen Borrie]

At 09:39 AM 17/03/2011, Jerilynne \"MamaRed\" Knight wrote:
>Hey there Helen
>
>Did you want the specific ROW to indicate continued or the table itself? If 
>the table itself, this approach will work. You insert the variable on the 
>title row on the first page. 

That is what I wanted but it seems there's not a way to do it.  My table 
template doesn't have a "title row".  It has a table caption and then goes 
right into the table, 2 cols with a column heading for each.  It is breaking 
correctly, insofar as it observes the 2-orphan rule and also dups the headings 
on the second sheet.  Just doesn't seem to be a way to put a conditional 
"extraneous" row there.

>If you want something right after the row, I don't know of an automated 
>way...just the brute force way.

I want to avoid brute force, as I have a number of very long tables of the 
glossary form, i.e., enumerations of class members, just an identifier and a 
description and I want them to be consistent.

Thanks!
Helen

RE: Frame 10 save to Frame 8 files

[Andre Russell (TT)]

Hey,

 

I am currently using Frame 10 (as part of TC3). I briefly tested opening
a Frame 8 document and it seem you can only save as a Frame 9 or a Frame
10 document. 

 

Oddly enough, you can only save as either a Version 10 or version 7 when
saving as a .mif file.

 

Thanks,

 

Andre Russell

Senior Technical Writer

Trading Technologies, Intl.

 

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Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 1:03 PM
To: 'Flato, Gillian'; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Frame 10 save to Frame 8 files

 

Hi Gillian,

 

I am using the beta version and it has a FrameMaker 8.0 save option. I
am not sure about the release version. However, have them save the
document as .MIF and you will be able to open it with 8.

 

Rick Quatro

Carmen Publishing Inc.

585-659-8267

r...@frameexpert.com

 

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Gillian
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 1:45 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Frame 10 save to Frame 8 files

 

Can Frame 10 save to Frame 8 files. A colleague in England is telling me
he can only save down to Frame 9. Can anyone confirm this? 

 

Thank you,

 

 

Gillian Flato

Technical Writer (Software)

nanometrics

1550 Buckeye Dr. 

Milpitas, CA. 95035

(408.545.6316

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Re: Frame 10 save to Frame 8 files

[Johan Anglemark]

Gillian,

Your colleague is correct.

The options in the Save As dialog are:

Document 10.0
View Only 10.0
Document 9.0
MIF 10.0
MIF 7.0
Text Only
PDF
HTML
XML
Microsoft RTF1.6

-j


Rick Quatro skrev 2011-03-16 19:02:

Hi Gillian,

I am using the beta version and it has a FrameMaker 8.0 save option. I
am not sure about the release version. However, have them save the
document as .MIF and you will be able to open it with 8.

Rick Quatro

Carmen Publishing Inc.

585-659-8267

r...@frameexpert.com

*** Frame Automation blog at http://frameautomation.com

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*Subject:* Frame 10 save to Frame 8 files

Can Frame 10 save to Frame 8 files. A colleague in England is telling me
he can only save down to Frame 9. Can anyone confirm this?

*Thank you,*

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URGENT: Need help in using fonts in FrameMaker

[Keerthi Latha]

Hi Frame users,

I am Keerthi and working on multiple languages. I need to copy the different 
languages and port it to FrameMaker 7.1. I am facing the following issues:


Language Issue 
Korean The   Korean fonts (Gulim, GulimChe, Dotum, and DotumChe (True type)) 
are 
available   in the FrameMaker font list, but when I copy and paste the content 
in   FrameMaker and apply the fonts, the content is not the same, there are “?” 
in   between. 

  
Russian The   Russian font (Arial) is available in the FrameMaker font list, 
but 
when I   copy and paste the content in FrameMaker, the content shows “?” 

zh-hans The   Chinese font (simsun) is available in the FrameMaker font list, 
but when I   copy and paste the content in FrameMaker, the content shows “?”  

zh-hant The   Chinese font (mingliu) is available in the FrameMaker font list, 
but when I   copy and paste the content in FrameMaker, the content shows “?” 


Can any one help in resolving these issues? 

Thanks,
Keerthi

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Apply Master Pages not working

[Theresa de Valence]

I previously had master pages swapping correctly (by paragraph tag). 
However, since then I have copied the book to a new book (cross 
references working) and deleted many excess paragraph tags. Now my Apply 
Master Pages is not working correctly.


This is v 8 in structured frame, but the document is not structured. As 
far as I can determine, this shouldn't matter.


The only reason I can figure for the faulty Apply Master Pages is that 
some of the paragraph tags in the HTML Mapping Table do not exist.


Ideas?
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RE: Frame 10 save to Frame 8 files

[Michael Pearson]

Hi Gillian,
 
FM10 won't save to FM8 binary via the Save dialog, though it can do this via 
ExtendScript. If a script isn't an option for, you can always have your 
colleague save as FM10 MIF (or FM7 MIF, if you prefer) via the Save dialog.
 
HTH,
Mike
 


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Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2011 10:44:53 -0700
Subject: Frame 10 save to Frame 8 files








Can Frame 10 save to Frame 8 files. A colleague in England is telling me he can 
only save down to Frame 9. Can anyone confirm this? 
 
Thank you,
 
 
Gillian Flato
Technical Writer (Software)
nanometrics
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Milpitas, CA. 95035
(408.545.6316
7  408.232.5911
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Re: Slightly OT: Frame 10 landscape pages not recognised in Acrobat X

[Debra Laroche]

Hi Michael,

It's a .tif file that's the corporate logo and until recently I had no
problem having it convert correctly from FrameMaker to PDF using the print
to .ps file (because of the landscape pages I have in several chapters of my
book). It worked fine until a week or so ago. Now I have to save that file
as PDF for it to render as I want, then add it to the PDF file created from
the postscript file when I print the entire book. This worked fine, as I
say, until quite recently. It always baffles me when previously seamless
operations become fragmented like this is for me. I tried saving the logo as
a .png file, which didn't work either. I copied it in instead of importing
by reference; again that didn't work. The only workaround I found so far is
to do what I'm doing...

Hope that helps!
Deb

On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:28 AM, Michael Müller-Hillebrand <
m...@cap-studio.de> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am outside the proposed »collective wisdom on this list is that “Save as
> PDF” should not be used«. There are quite a few people using this and in
> automated processes it is one of the best options. Those people just don’t
> speak up.
>
> What is a fact for FrameMaker 9 and 10: The so-called »pristine CMYK
> output« is not working as advertised in so many situations that it is common
> wisdom to recommend _selecting_ the »Convert CMYK to RGB« checkbox (and thus
> switching to the behavior of earlier versions). Because the Print to File
> process always works this way (converting CMYK to RGB) it may appear as if
> this would be the cure for printing problems.
>
> Debra, what you describe is really awkward and apparently not connected to
> the CMYK issues, since you print to file. I don’t understand exactly what
> you experience. It seems you imported a graphic on your title page that used
> to be converted to PDF easily with older versions of FrameMaker but not so
> with FrameMaker 10...? Could you please share a little bit more information,
> like the format of the graphic and using which tools it was created? Maybe
> even the graphic?
>
> - Michael
>
> Am 15.03.2011 um 18:22 schrieb Debra Laroche:
>
> > Hi!
> >
> > And yet for me, documents that rendered correctly for some time (going
> from FrameMaker 9 to PDF by printing to postscript (.ps) files) no longer
> show just one graphic I need on my title page. So I have to save that file
> as PDF to get the graphic to come across and then add that page to my PDF of
> the rest of the book.
> >
> > It's annoying (and time-consuming) that something that worked well before
> no longer works in a newer version of the application. I've been an avid
> FrameMaker user since FrameMaker 3 days...
> >
> > Cheers, and for what it's worth,
> > Deb
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 8:41 AM, Lea Rush 
> wrote:
> > Hi Art,
> >
> > Sadly, regardless of the fact that Adobe has owned both Frame and Acrobat
> for quite a while, the collective wisdom on this list is that “Save as PDF”
> should not be used. Ever. Many folks have posted problems with this feature
> ranging across four versions of Frame that I know of, and I’m a relative
> newcomer. A few people have posted that it works for them, and more power to
> them. For myself, I’ve given up ever even attempting it.
> >
> > YMMV,
> >
> > Lea
>
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URGENT: Need help in using fonts in FrameMaker

[Keerthi Latha]

Hi Frame users,

I am Keerthi and working on multiple languages. I need to copy the different 
languages and port it to FrameMaker 7.1. I am facing the following issues:


Language Issue 
Korean The   Korean fonts (Gulim, GulimChe, Dotum, and DotumChe (True type)) 
are 
available   in the FrameMaker font list, but when I copy and paste the content 
in   FrameMaker and apply the fonts, the content is not the same, there are ??? 
in   between. 


Russian The   Russian font (Arial) is available in the FrameMaker font list, 
but 
when I   copy and paste the content in FrameMaker, the content shows ??? 

zh-hans The   Chinese font (simsun) is available in the FrameMaker font list, 
but when I   copy and paste the content in FrameMaker, the content shows ???  

zh-hant The   Chinese font (mingliu) is available in the FrameMaker font list, 
but when I   copy and paste the content in FrameMaker, the content shows ??? 


Can any one help in resolving these issues? 

Thanks,
Keerthi

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Frame 10 save to Frame 8 files

[Andre Russell (TT)]

Hey,



I am currently using Frame 10 (as part of TC3). I briefly tested opening
a Frame 8 document and it seem you can only save as a Frame 9 or a Frame
10 document. 



Oddly enough, you can only save as either a Version 10 or version 7 when
saving as a .mif file.



Thanks,



Andre Russell

Senior Technical Writer

Trading Technologies, Intl.



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Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 1:03 PM
To: 'Flato, Gillian'; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Frame 10 save to Frame 8 files



Hi Gillian,



I am using the beta version and it has a FrameMaker 8.0 save option. I
am not sure about the release version. However, have them save the
document as .MIF and you will be able to open it with 8.



Rick Quatro

Carmen Publishing Inc.

585-659-8267

rick at frameexpert.com



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Gillian
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2011 1:45 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Frame 10 save to Frame 8 files



Can Frame 10 save to Frame 8 files. A colleague in England is telling me
he can only save down to Frame 9. Can anyone confirm this? 



Thank you,





Gillian Flato

Technical Writer (Software)

nanometrics

1550 Buckeye Dr. 

Milpitas, CA. 95035

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Splitting tables across a page break: FM 8

[Helen Borrie]

At 08:58 AM 17/03/2011, Owen, Clint wrote:
>Helen,
>
>You can insert the "Table Continuation" or "Table Sheet" variable in
>your table title or table # paragraph.

Ah, thanks, I hoped there'd be something like that!  Now to go back and search 
the help again with the *right* key phrases. ;-) 

Cheers,
Helen

Splitting tables across a page break: FM 8

[Steve Rickaby]

At 20:16 +1300 17/3/11, Helen Borrie wrote:

>That is what I wanted but it seems there's not a way to do it.  My table 
>template doesn't have a "title row".  It has a table caption and then goes 
>right into the table, 2 cols with a column heading for each.  It is breaking 
>correctly, insofar as it observes the 2-orphan rule and also dups the headings 
>on the second sheet.  Just doesn't seem to be a way to put a conditional 
>"extraneous" row there.

As I see it, you wanted a '...continued' line to be displayed *after* the last 
row of a broken table on a page. Afaik there is no way to do this in 
unstructured FrameMaker other than manually inserting text, with the problems 
that will give you if text flows.

What you can do, as has been mentioned here already, is to use the table 
continuation variable. FrameMaker will then display the text of the variable in 
the running table titles that echo the title into which you insert it, i.e. not 
at the point at which the table is broken, but in the table title row(s) that 
follow it. This only works if your table has one or more title rows.

To use the variable, set its text to what you want ('contd.', 'continued...', 
whatever), and insert it after the appropriate text in the table title on the 
first page on which the table occurs. Note the FrameMaker *only* displays the 
variable on continuation titles, so it will not be displayed in the title row 
where you insert it. This looks like a bug when you first use it, but is not.

If your table style does not have one or more title rows, I don't think you can 
use the table continuation variable.

In theory you could put your 'continued' line in a footer on a new master page, 
and then trigger that master page from a para tag in your table, but that 
wouldn't be able to discriminate between tables that cross page boundaries and 
those that didn't without the intervention of something like FrameScript, so 
I'm stumped there. Maybe someone more ingenious than me might think of a way to 
make this work.

-- 
Steve

Frame 10 save to Frame 8 files

[Johan Anglemark]

Gillian,

Your colleague is correct.

The options in the Save As dialog are:

Document 10.0
View Only 10.0
Document 9.0
MIF 10.0
MIF 7.0
Text Only
PDF
HTML
XML
Microsoft RTF1.6

-j


Rick Quatro skrev 2011-03-16 19:02:
> Hi Gillian,
>
> I am using the beta version and it has a FrameMaker 8.0 save option. I
> am not sure about the release version. However, have them save the
> document as .MIF and you will be able to open it with 8.
>
> Rick Quatro
>
> Carmen Publishing Inc.
>
> 585-659-8267
>
> rick at frameexpert.com
>
> *** Frame Automation blog at http://frameautomation.com
>
> *From:*framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com
> [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] *On Behalf Of *Flato, Gillian
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 16, 2011 1:45 PM
> *To:* framers at lists.frameusers.com
> *Subject:* Frame 10 save to Frame 8 files
>
> Can Frame 10 save to Frame 8 files. A colleague in England is telling me
> he can only save down to Frame 9. Can anyone confirm this?
>
> *Thank you,*
>
> *Gillian Flato*


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Splitting tables across a page break: FM 8

[Helen Borrie]

Hi All,
In unstructured FM8, if I have a table that might split across a page break if 
new content is added above it, is there a way that I can have a line of text 
e.g., "...continued" inserted conditionally after the last entry on the page, 
before the break?  Ideally, I would like to do this {whatever} with all table 
formats that are defined in my template.

Any ideas welcome.
Helen

Re: Splitting tables across a page break: FM 8

[Steve Rickaby]

At 20:16 +1300 17/3/11, Helen Borrie wrote:

>That is what I wanted but it seems there's not a way to do it.  My table 
>template doesn't have a "title row".  It has a table caption and then goes 
>right into the table, 2 cols with a column heading for each.  It is breaking 
>correctly, insofar as it observes the 2-orphan rule and also dups the headings 
>on the second sheet.  Just doesn't seem to be a way to put a conditional 
>"extraneous" row there.

As I see it, you wanted a '...continued' line to be displayed *after* the last 
row of a broken table on a page. Afaik there is no way to do this in 
unstructured FrameMaker other than manually inserting text, with the problems 
that will give you if text flows.

What you can do, as has been mentioned here already, is to use the table 
continuation variable. FrameMaker will then display the text of the variable in 
the running table titles that echo the title into which you insert it, i.e. not 
at the point at which the table is broken, but in the table title row(s) that 
follow it. This only works if your table has one or more title rows.

To use the variable, set its text to what you want ('contd.', 'continued...', 
whatever), and insert it after the appropriate text in the table title on the 
first page on which the table occurs. Note the FrameMaker *only* displays the 
variable on continuation titles, so it will not be displayed in the title row 
where you insert it. This looks like a bug when you first use it, but is not.

If your table style does not have one or more title rows, I don't think you can 
use the table continuation variable.

In theory you could put your 'continued' line in a footer on a new master page, 
and then trigger that master page from a para tag in your table, but that 
wouldn't be able to discriminate between tables that cross page boundaries and 
those that didn't without the intervention of something like FrameScript, so 
I'm stumped there. Maybe someone more ingenious than me might think of a way to 
make this work.

-- 
Steve
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Re: Splitting tables across a page break: FM 8

[Helen Borrie]

At 09:39 AM 17/03/2011, Jerilynne \"MamaRed\" Knight wrote:
>Hey there Helen
>
>Did you want the specific ROW to indicate continued or the table itself? If 
>the table itself, this approach will work. You insert the variable on the 
>title row on the first page. 

That is what I wanted but it seems there's not a way to do it.  My table 
template doesn't have a "title row".  It has a table caption and then goes 
right into the table, 2 cols with a column heading for each.  It is breaking 
correctly, insofar as it observes the 2-orphan rule and also dups the headings 
on the second sheet.  Just doesn't seem to be a way to put a conditional 
"extraneous" row there.

>If you want something right after the row, I don't know of an automated 
>way...just the brute force way.

I want to avoid brute force, as I have a number of very long tables of the 
glossary form, i.e., enumerations of class members, just an identifier and a 
description and I want them to be consistent.

Thanks!
Helen

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