Re: Hello (Frame 11 documentation)

2012-07-27 Thread Karen Robbins 
The FrameMaker 11 help PDF is at 
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/using/framemaker_11_help.pdf


At http://helpx.adobe.com/framemaker.html, you can also get an ePub 
version and other documents.


HTH,
Karen
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Re: Hello (Frame 11 documentation)

2012-07-27 Thread Writer 
 At http://helpx.adobe.com/framemaker.html, you can also get an ePub version 
 and 

 other documents.

Cool!

Nadine

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Re: FrameMaker customisation

2012-07-27 Thread Klaus Daube 
On 26 Jul 2012 at 16:00, Fred Ridder wrote:

 With the major UI changes that were introduced in FM9, it's probable
 that large portions of the document became obsolete or incorrect, and
 it's possible that the file was simply removed from the distribution
 rather than being brought up to date. 

In the meantime I offer http://www.daube.ch/docu/files/etb-customising-fm.pdf

I have not yet worked in some maker.ini items which where not in the last 
beta-version (build 380) 
which are mentioned in the help file or the Reviewers Guide.

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Re: Hello

2012-07-27 Thread Robert Lauriston 
Mike's complaint is that the docs are not comprehensive at the lowest level.

I'm more concerned about the docs not being comprehensive at the highest level.

What are the five (?) different settings I need to check to eliminate
blank pages? What is best practice for creating a template to
standardize a particular type of document such as a user guide or
release notes? How do I create a linked RoboHelp project from
FrameMaker source? How do I create my first DITA XML book?

Things like that. The current state of the FrameMaker docs is the
result of them being updated with new features release after release.
You should rewrite from scratch with a task-oriented focus.

On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Gyanesh Talwar
gyanesh.tal...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Mike,

 Thanks for the encouraging words.

 It may not be judicious of me to make big commitments, but the effort going
 forward is going to be close to the things you have mentioned.

 About Hunspell and Proximity dictionaries ...
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RE: Translation question

2012-07-27 Thread Gillian Flato 
Laura,

Have multiple book files, one for the French, one for the English. Those books 
may share some files. Use conditional text to deal with that.

-Gillian

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Subject: Translation question

Hi all

I'm starting to work on revamping user guides from another division in our 
company.

One of the guides is currently in Word(!), in French, and I'm about to move it 
to FrameMaker and translate it into English at the same time.

I have a question: Is there a case for just having ONE book file for this 
guide, which contains files which have both French and English in them (hidden 
or displayed by conditional text)?
I can't decide if this is a good idea or not, or if I should instead have two 
completely separate books for the English and French guides.

This will not be a one-off, btw, all guides for this division need both French 
and English versions.
None of them seem horribly long or overly complicated.

It may be that I should definitely maintain two separate versions - but I'm 
just not sure.

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

Laura


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FrameMaker 11: some resources for exploring new features

2012-07-27 Thread Maxwell Hoffmann 
I'll be posting my own blog on my how different customer profiles will likely 
use FrameMaker 11 in a day or two at two sites: blogs.adobe.com/mbhoffmann and 
blogs.adobe.com/techcomms

In the meantime, here is a list of links to some highly informative blogs and 
videos which will give you some idea of new product functionality.

List of resources:

== FrameMaker 11 and FrameMaker Publishing Server 11 are here!! (Product 
Manager blog with many links to video and hands-on PDF file)  
http://awe.sm/a1sVp

== FrameMaker 11 Featurette videos recently added to AdobeTV: 
http://tv.adobe.com/product/framemaker/episode/recently-added/

== Download the PDF FrameMaker 11 Reviewer's Guide; many videos and very 
comprehensive info:
http://awe.sm/a1zk2

== FrameMaker 11 User's Guide:
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/using/framemaker_11_help.pdf

== Adobe FrameMaker Publishing Sever 11 Guide:
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/server/framemaker_11_server.pdf

== Detailed FM version comparison chart on Upgrade Guide:
http://awe.sm/b1zvb

== FrameMaker 11 datasheet: http://awe.sm/d200F

== FrameMaker 11 Publishing Server datasheet: http://awe.sm/j1rmB

== FrameMaker 11 YouTube channel: http://awe.sm/d200R

Note:  most of the videos are short (e.g. 1.5 minutes)  and they only touch on 
highlights. A series of upcoming webinars will do deep dives into the product 
even further.

DISCLAIMER: because there were a huge number of improvements and enhancements 
regarding DITA/XML, you might conclude that this is all that the product does. 
Not so; you can still use FrameMaker in unstructured mode and create documents 
as you always did. One frequently requested enhancement is the return of quick 
catalogs and quick element insert with F8, F9, Control 1, Control 4-6 
(conditional text), etc.

A minor feature that was not emphasized in the launch (though mentioned in  
Reviewer's Guide) is that a simple edit to maker.ini changes the way that 
anchored frames and equations are saved, and substantially reduces file size. 
Tech Comm Suite 4 is the first of our division's products to be available on a 
monthly subscription basis.


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Disappearing Text in Anchored Frames

2012-07-27 Thread Joseph . Carver 
  Greetings Experts,

Frame 10.0.2.419

Windows 7  XP

Text placed into an anchored frame that has a carriage return loses the 
first character when the doc is saved.

Actions: 
1) Create anchored frame
2) Import a graphic or two
3) Label the graphic
 Graphics 
 Tools 
 Click the A 
 Position cursor 
 Type some text 
 Hit Enter key
 Type another line
 Save doc
 First character vaporizes from another line

Consistently across two versions of Windows, and on a few different 
machines, the first character of the second line simply disappears. 
Saving the doc. triggers the action.
If additional lines are added with a carriage return, they too will lose 
that first character when the doc. is saved. 
This does not occur with Frame 8. It is very repeatable.
 
Are there any workarounds for this, or is it just a known feature?


Thanks in advance for time, replies and interest.

Best Regards
Joe Carver

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RE: Translation question

2012-07-27 Thread Wroblewski, Victoria 
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 11:17:46 +
From: Laura Fergusson l.fergus...@codestuff.net
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Translation question


I have a question: Is there a case for just having ONE book file for this 
guide, which contains files which have both French and English in them (hidden 
or displayed by conditional text)?
I can't decide if this is a good idea or not, or if I should instead have two 
completely separate books for the English and French guides.

This will not be a one-off, btw, all guides for this division need both French 
and English versions.
None of them seem horribly long or overly complicated.

It may be that I should definitely maintain two separate versions - but I'm 
just not sure.


I've always done each language as their own chapter within a book, unless they 
will actually be distributed as two different books/manuals/files with two 
different part numbers (then they would just be two books).  With any 
translations, you cannot always assume that text will be the same length as the 
language it was authored in, which can mean you'll have differences in layouts, 
page breaks, spacing, etc.  

- VJW
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RE: Disappearing Text in Anchored Frames

2012-07-27 Thread Rick Quatro 
Hi Joe,

 

Pretty bizarre, but I just verified the behavior with my copy of FrameMaker
10. For what it's worth, it doesn't happen in the last beta version of
FrameMaker 11.

 

Note, however, that doing multi-line callouts this way is not really the
best approach. When you press the Enter key, you are actually creating a
separate Text Line object for each subsequent line. This can cause
maintenance headaches later if you want to edit the callouts or change their
formatting characteristics. You are better off using a Text Frame so that
you can apply a paragraph format to the callouts. This will allow you to
easily control all of the formatting for the callouts.

 

There is one thing to be aware of when adding Text Frame callouts to
anchored frames where the callouts will be on top of an imported graphic:
make sure you select the imported image, right-click, and choose Runaround
Properties. In the resulting dialog box, choose Don't Run Around and click
Set. Otherwise, you may find your callouts overflowing their Text Frames.
In my opinion, this should be the default setting for imported images, but
for some reason it is not.

 

Please let me know if you have any questions or comments. Thank you very
much.

 

Rick

 

Rick Quatro

Carmen Publishing Inc.

585-283-5045

r...@frameexpert.com

 

 

 

From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
joseph.car...@vsea.com
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 10:19 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Disappearing Text in Anchored Frames

 

  Greetings Experts, 

Frame 10.0.2.419 

Windows 7  XP 

Text placed into an anchored frame that has a carriage return loses the
first character when the doc is saved. 

Actions: 
1) Create anchored frame 
2) Import a graphic or two 
3) Label the graphic 
 Graphics 
Tools 
Click the A 
Position cursor 
Type some text 
Hit Enter key 
 Type another line 
 Save doc 
 First character vaporizes from another line 

Consistently across two versions of Windows, and on a few different
machines, the first character of the second line simply disappears. 
Saving the doc. triggers the action. 
If additional lines are added with a carriage return, they too will lose
that first character when the doc. is saved. 
This does not occur with Frame 8. It is very repeatable. 
  
Are there any workarounds for this, or is it just a known feature? 


Thanks in advance for time, replies and interest. 

Best Regards 
Joe Carver 

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Applied Materials 

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RE: Disappearing Text in Anchored Frames

2012-07-27 Thread Combs, Richard 
joseph.car...@vsea.com wrote:
 
 Text placed into an anchored frame that has a carriage return loses the
 first character when the doc is saved.
 
 Actions:
         1) Create anchored frame
         2) Import a graphic or two
         3) Label the graphic
                  Graphics
                 Tools
                 Click the A
                 Position cursor
                 Type some text
                 Hit Enter key
                  Type another line
                  Save doc
                          First character vaporizes from another
 line
 
 Consistently across two versions of Windows, and on a few different
 machines, the first character of the second line simply disappears.
 Saving the doc. triggers the action.
 If additional lines are added with a carriage return, they too will
 lose that first character when the doc. is saved.
 This does not occur with Frame 8. It is very repeatable.
 
 Are there any workarounds for this, or is it just a known feature?

That certainly sounds like a bug. But the solution is simple enough, and best 
practice in any case: For multiple lines of text, don't use the Text Line tool. 
Instead, insert a Text Frame (the icon to the left of the A in the Tools 
Palette) and enter your text in that. 

This has several advantages, including the ability to apply a paragraph format 
and to treat the entire block of text as a single object. A Text Line is 
basically a graphic object, and when you press Enter, you're actually creating 
a second, completely separate Text Line object. It moves independently of the 
first, is formatted independently, and is in no way connected to the first. A 
Text Frame containing one or more paragraphs is much easier to manage than 
multiple Text Lines. 

HTH!

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
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RE: Disappearing Text in Anchored Frames

2012-07-27 Thread Combs, Richard 
If I had scrolled down, I'd have seen that Rick beat me to it. And remembered 
the runaround issue, which I forgot. Oh, well, at least now you know at least 
two people have the same advice. :)

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Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 6:02 PM
To: joseph.car...@vsea.com; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Disappearing Text in Anchored Frames

Hi Joe,

Pretty bizarre, but I just verified the behavior with my copy of FrameMaker 10. 
For what it's worth, it doesn't happen in the last beta version of FrameMaker 
11.

Note, however, that doing multi-line callouts this way is not really the best 
approach. When you press the Enter key, you are actually creating a separate 
Text Line object for each subsequent line. This can cause maintenance headaches 
later if you want to edit the callouts or change their formatting 
characteristics. You are better off using a Text Frame so that you can apply a 
paragraph format to the callouts. This will allow you to easily control all of 
the formatting for the callouts.

There is one thing to be aware of when adding Text Frame callouts to anchored 
frames where the callouts will be on top of an imported graphic: make sure you 
select the imported image, right-click, and choose Runaround Properties. In the 
resulting dialog box, choose Don't Run Around and click Set. Otherwise, you may 
find your callouts overflowing their Text Frames. In my opinion, this should 
be the default setting for imported images, but for some reason it is not.

Please let me know if you have any questions or comments. Thank you very much.

Rick

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-283-5045
r...@frameexpert.commailto:r...@frameexpert.com



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Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 10:19 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Disappearing Text in Anchored Frames

  Greetings Experts,

Frame 10.0.2.419

Windows 7  XP

Text placed into an anchored frame that has a carriage return loses the first 
character when the doc is saved.

Actions:
1) Create anchored frame
2) Import a graphic or two
3) Label the graphic
 Graphics
Tools
Click the A
Position cursor
Type some text
Hit Enter key
 Type another line
 Save doc
 First character vaporizes from another line

Consistently across two versions of Windows, and on a few different machines, 
the first character of the second line simply disappears.
Saving the doc. triggers the action.
If additional lines are added with a carriage return, they too will lose that 
first character when the doc. is saved.
This does not occur with Frame 8. It is very repeatable.

Are there any workarounds for this, or is it just a known feature?


Thanks in advance for time, replies and interest.

Best Regards
Joe Carver

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Hello

2012-07-27 Thread Gyanesh Talwar 
Hi Mike,

Thanks for the encouraging words.

It may not be judicious of me to make big commitments, but the effort going
forward is going to be close to the things you have mentioned.

About Hunspell and Proximity dictionaries, I initially thought that these
are more like plugins that exist out of FrameMaker too, so their
explanation may not be a critical requirement. But since users like
yourself are looking for this information, let me add details about these
two dictionaries soon in documentation.

Your feedback is valuable. I'll first do something about the specifics you
have pointed out. But going forward, I'll keep in mind that I include
things that you have asked for.

Regards,
Gyanesh





On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Mike Wickham  wrote:

> Hi, Gyanesh,
>
> We are glad to have you participating here! In fact, since FM development
> moved to India, it has been nice to see that several members of the team
> have become active in the community and responsive to it. Thanks!
>
> One shortcoming that I have always found in Adobe documentation (and not
> just FM documentation) is that it so often fails to document some things
> that should obviously, and by default, be covered. For example, EVERY menu
> command, EVERY preference setting, and EVERY dialog option should be well
> described. Yet, these are often completely omitted from the help files.
>
> For example, FM11's Reviewer's Guide says that FM11 now includes a
> Hunspell dictionary option in preferences, in addition to the Proximity
> dictionary. But looking at the new FM11 online help, I searched for
> "Hunspell" and nothing could be found on it. There appears to be no
> information to tell users why they would choose one dictionary over the
> other. This is a preference setting, so it should be described in help.
>
> The Reviewer's Guide also talks about "Improved handling of placed
> graphics," and mentions the new "**RemoveGeneratedFacetsForTypes=**"
> setting in maker.ini. But searching online help for that setting turns up
> nothing. (Perhaps it is documented in maker.ini itself, but I'm still on
> FM10 and don't currently have FM11 to look.)
>
> The Reviewer's Guide also mentions, under "New Equations and Anchored
> Frame behavior," that anchored frames are now saved as individual MIF
> files, but there is a setting to revert to previous behavior: "**
> DefaultvVectorFormatForXMLExpo**rt=CGM". Again, a help search for this
> setting turns up nothing.
>
> Which reminds me, one thing FM help has always lacked is full
> documentation of maker.ini settings. Every setting in maker.ini should be
> documented. Some are documented in help. Some are documented in maker.ini
> itself (though often poorly). Many settings are documented in the
> Customizing_Frame_Products.**pdf-- but, if I recall correctly, that file
> is no longer included on distribution disks, so many FM users don't even
> know that it exists! (And the downloadable version that exists is labeled
> as for FM7!) But many settings remain completely undocumented, including
> settings that, by default, are not included in maker.ini. So users don't
> know the settings are available.
>
> I would also add that, while I do see the advantages of online
> documentation being updatable and searchable, I miss printed documentation.
> The nice thing about a printed version is you can sit down with a manual
> and just read it to learn about things you wouldn't have thought to browse
> for in help. Adobe should consider creating print-on-demand (POD) versions
> of its documentation to satisfy that need. I think they may have done this
> previously with Creative Suite documentation. There was a time you could
> order printed copies of CS documentation in the Adobe Store-- though often
> a ridiculous six months or more after the product release! I used to order
> those when they were available.
>
> Mike Wickham
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Hello (Frame 11 documentation)

2012-07-27 Thread Karen Robbins 
The FrameMaker 11 help PDF is at 
http://help.adobe.com/en_US/framemaker/using/framemaker_11_help.pdf

At http://helpx.adobe.com/framemaker.html, you can also get an ePub 
version and other documents.

HTH,
Karen

Hello (Frame 11 documentation)

2012-07-27 Thread Writer 
> At http://helpx.adobe.com/framemaker.html, you can also get an ePub version 
> and 

> other documents.

Cool!

Nadine

FrameMaker customisation

2012-07-27 Thread Klaus Daube 
On 26 Jul 2012 at 16:00, Fred Ridder wrote:

> With the major UI changes that were introduced in FM9, it's probable
> that large portions of the document became obsolete or incorrect, and
> it's possible that the?file was simply removed from the distribution
> rather than being brought up to date. 

In the "meantime" I offer http://www.daube.ch/docu/files/etb-customising-fm.pdf

I have not yet worked in some maker.ini items which where not in the last 
beta-version (build 380) 
which are mentioned in the help file or the Reviewers Guide.

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Disappearing Text in Anchored Frames

2012-07-27 Thread joseph.car...@vsea.com 
  Greetings Experts,

Frame 10.0.2.419

Windows 7 & XP

Text placed into an anchored frame that has a carriage return loses the 
first character when the doc is saved.

Actions: 
1) Create anchored frame
2) Import a graphic or two
3) Label the graphic
>> Graphics 
>> Tools 
>> Click the "A" 
>> Position cursor 
>> Type some text 
>> Hit Enter key
>> Type another line
>> Save doc
>> First character vaporizes from "another line"

Consistently across two versions of Windows, and on a few different 
machines, the first character of the second line simply disappears. 
Saving the doc. triggers the action.
If additional lines are added with a carriage return, they too will lose 
that first character when the doc. is saved. 
This does not occur with Frame 8. It is very repeatable.

Are there any workarounds for this, or is it just a known "feature"?


Thanks in advance for time, replies and interest.

Best Regards
Joe Carver

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Translation question

2012-07-27 Thread Wroblewski, Victoria 
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 11:17:46 +
From: Laura Fergusson 
To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" 
Subject: Translation question

>>
I have a question: Is there a case for just having ONE book file for this 
guide, which contains files which have both French and English in them (hidden 
or displayed by conditional text)?
I can't decide if this is a good idea or not, or if I should instead have two 
completely separate books for the English and French guides.

This will not be a one-off, btw, all guides for this division need both French 
and English versions.
None of them seem horribly long or overly complicated.

It may be that I should definitely maintain two separate versions - but I'm 
just not sure.
>>

I've always done each language as their own chapter within a book, unless they 
will actually be distributed as two different books/manuals/files with two 
different part numbers (then they would just be two books).  With any 
translations, you cannot always assume that text will be the same length as the 
language it was authored in, which can mean you'll have differences in layouts, 
page breaks, spacing, etc.  

- VJW

Disappearing Text in Anchored Frames

2012-07-27 Thread Rick Quatro 
Hi Joe,



Pretty bizarre, but I just verified the behavior with my copy of FrameMaker
10. For what it's worth, it doesn't happen in the last beta version of
FrameMaker 11.



Note, however, that doing multi-line callouts this way is not really the
best approach. When you press the Enter key, you are actually creating a
separate Text Line object for each subsequent line. This can cause
maintenance headaches later if you want to edit the callouts or change their
formatting characteristics. You are better off using a Text Frame so that
you can apply a paragraph format to the callouts. This will allow you to
easily control all of the formatting for the callouts.



There is one thing to be aware of when adding Text Frame callouts to
anchored frames where the callouts will be on top of an imported graphic:
make sure you select the imported image, right-click, and choose Runaround
Properties. In the resulting dialog box, choose Don't Run Around and click
Set. Otherwise, you may find your callouts "overflowing" their Text Frames.
In my opinion, this should be the default setting for imported images, but
for some reason it is not.



Please let me know if you have any questions or comments. Thank you very
much.



Rick



Rick Quatro

Carmen Publishing Inc.

585-283-5045

rick at frameexpert.com







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[mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of
Joseph.Carver at vsea.com
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 10:19 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Disappearing Text in Anchored Frames



  Greetings Experts, 

Frame 10.0.2.419 

Windows 7 & XP 

Text placed into an anchored frame that has a carriage return loses the
first character when the doc is saved. 

Actions: 
1) Create anchored frame 
2) Import a graphic or two 
3) Label the graphic 
>> Graphics 
   >> Tools 
   >> Click the "A" 
   >> Position cursor 
   >> Type some text 
   >> Hit Enter key 
>> Type another line 
>> Save doc 
>> First character vaporizes from "another line" 

Consistently across two versions of Windows, and on a few different
machines, the first character of the second line simply disappears. 
Saving the doc. triggers the action. 
If additional lines are added with a carriage return, they too will lose
that first character when the doc. is saved. 
This does not occur with Frame 8. It is very repeatable. 

Are there any workarounds for this, or is it just a known "feature"? 


Thanks in advance for time, replies and interest. 

Best Regards 
Joe Carver 

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Technical Writer | Varian Semiconductor Equipment | Silicon Systems Group |
Applied Materials 

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Disappearing Text in Anchored Frames

2012-07-27 Thread Combs, Richard 
Joseph.Carver at vsea.com wrote:

> Text placed into an anchored frame that has a carriage return loses the
> first character when the doc is saved.
> 
> Actions:
> ? ? ? ? 1) Create anchored frame
> ? ? ? ? 2) Import a graphic or two
> ? ? ? ? 3) Label the graphic
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >> Graphics
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?>> Tools
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?>> Click the "A"
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?>> Position cursor
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?>> Type some text
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?>> Hit Enter key
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >> Type another line
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >> Save doc
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? >> First character vaporizes from "another
> line"
> 
> Consistently across two versions of Windows, and on a few different
> machines, the first character of the second line simply disappears.
> Saving the doc. triggers the action.
> If additional lines are added with a carriage return, they too will
> lose that first character when the doc. is saved.
> This does not occur with Frame 8. It is very repeatable.
> 
> Are there any workarounds for this, or is it just a known "feature"?

That certainly sounds like a bug. But the solution is simple enough, and best 
practice in any case: For multiple lines of text, don't use the Text Line tool. 
Instead, insert a Text Frame (the icon to the left of the "A" in the Tools 
Palette) and enter your text in that. 

This has several advantages, including the ability to apply a paragraph format 
and to treat the entire block of text as a single object. A Text Line is 
basically a graphic object, and when you press Enter, you're actually creating 
a second, completely separate Text Line object. It moves independently of the 
first, is formatted independently, and is in no way connected to the first. A 
Text Frame containing one or more paragraphs is much easier to manage than 
multiple Text Lines. 

HTH!

Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
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Disappearing Text in Anchored Frames

2012-07-27 Thread Combs, Richard 
If I had scrolled down, I'd have seen that Rick beat me to it. And remembered 
the runaround issue, which I forgot. Oh, well, at least now you know at least 
two people have the same advice. :)

From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 
[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Rick Quatro
Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 6:02 PM
To: Joseph.Carver at vsea.com; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Disappearing Text in Anchored Frames

Hi Joe,

Pretty bizarre, but I just verified the behavior with my copy of FrameMaker 10. 
For what it's worth, it doesn't happen in the last beta version of FrameMaker 
11.

Note, however, that doing multi-line callouts this way is not really the best 
approach. When you press the Enter key, you are actually creating a separate 
Text Line object for each subsequent line. This can cause maintenance headaches 
later if you want to edit the callouts or change their formatting 
characteristics. You are better off using a Text Frame so that you can apply a 
paragraph format to the callouts. This will allow you to easily control all of 
the formatting for the callouts.

There is one thing to be aware of when adding Text Frame callouts to anchored 
frames where the callouts will be on top of an imported graphic: make sure you 
select the imported image, right-click, and choose Runaround Properties. In the 
resulting dialog box, choose Don't Run Around and click Set. Otherwise, you may 
find your callouts "overflowing" their Text Frames. In my opinion, this should 
be the default setting for imported images, but for some reason it is not.

Please let me know if you have any questions or comments. Thank you very much.

Rick

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-283-5045
rick at frameexpert.com<mailto:rick at frameexpert.com>



From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers-bounces at 
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Sent: Friday, July 27, 2012 10:19 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com<mailto:framers at lists.frameusers.com>
Subject: Disappearing Text in Anchored Frames

  Greetings Experts,

Frame 10.0.2.419

Windows 7 & XP

Text placed into an anchored frame that has a carriage return loses the first 
character when the doc is saved.

Actions:
1) Create anchored frame
2) Import a graphic or two
3) Label the graphic
>> Graphics
   >> Tools
   >> Click the "A"
   >> Position cursor
   >> Type some text
   >> Hit Enter key
>> Type another line
>> Save doc
>> First character vaporizes from "another line"

Consistently across two versions of Windows, and on a few different machines, 
the first character of the second line simply disappears.
Saving the doc. triggers the action.
If additional lines are added with a carriage return, they too will lose that 
first character when the doc. is saved.
This does not occur with Frame 8. It is very repeatable.

Are there any workarounds for this, or is it just a known "feature"?


Thanks in advance for time, replies and interest.

Best Regards
Joe Carver

--
Joseph R. Carver
Technical Writer | Varian Semiconductor Equipment | Silicon Systems Group | 
Applied Materials

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Upgrade to TCS 4 for subscription holders

2012-07-27 Thread LGLists 
Framers,

I purchased the full TCS subscription last year and thought I'd get
immediate notification of upgrades. I've not seen anything and checked my
LWS (licensing) account yesterday. Nothing there either.

I've emailed to two Adobe addresses over the last couple of days, but no
response.

Anyone else a subscriber and know how this works? Anyone received
notification on a subscription?

Thanks!


~
Linda G. Gallagher
STC Fellow
TechCom Plus, LLC
lindag at techcomplus dot com
www.techcomplus.com <http://www.techcomplus.com/>  
303-450-9076 or 800-500-3144
Tutorials, "show me" demos, user guides, help, FrameMaker and WebWorks
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